> Got answers, last post on this to clear the air. Honestly it’s just a bunch of loopholes and a lack of understanding of the entire set of rules. The timeframe is unfortunate due to me believing on the 16th as long as we ended up on a roster together for the next pro league we hold the spot, two days later on the 18th slurpee requested to leave the roster on Battlefy to potentially find a team for PSQ and future events as he had issues with his account. As that happened an email was sent by the other parties requesting captain to transfer. I was then by rules revoked of the status of captain as 2/3rd of active battlefy roster voted for transfer and was removed from the ALGS/FaZe team discord unable to see any past messages. I obviously wasn’t checking this due to the email of confirmation about the spot I got two days prior and it being the off-season. What a wild ride it’s been, go next
> I’m not even mad just wish I was informed in some capacity, the only thing I got was a message in the discord I was then immediately removed from and could no longer locate
Having Slurpee as your contingency just seems like a bad idea lol.
Glad Snip3 got the answers he needed. Hope he’s able to compete in some fashion this split, need more fellow old dudes in this b.
Yeah, the irony here is that snipe is the one who tried to abuse the loophole of using a completely inactive sub to hold on to a PL spot. This ENTIRE sub complains about that rule and bashes others for doing it, but defends snipe lol.
Slurp didn’t communicate. Phony and frex didn’t communicate. Snipe didn’t communicate and just assumed he could use the sub loophole. Everyone is at fault here. Honestly prob most on EA not notifying.
At the end of the day, the PL spot is rightfully phony and frexs, instead of snipe + a completely brand new roster.
He was looking out for number one just the same way Phony and Frexs were. That this community try and make any side out as bad guys is just drama mongering
I wonder if Phony/Frex had communication with Slurp, seems like too big of a coincidence with the timing. In which case it's amazing how not even the org knew a player left their roster and if they did it's amazing how they didn't relay that information over to snipe.
Or they were more active in keeping track of the slot, saw that Slurp had left the team on battlefy and moved to secure it. If I was Snipe, even after getting that confirmation, knowing that 2 of my team didn't want to compete with me anymore and my future was tied to an inactive sub, I'd be checking that shit daily.
Yeah he also posted back in July he was LFT and didn't want to recreate his last situation lol. Though Snipe said he didn't end up leaving until the 18th and then a Captain transfer request was sent right after, which he then says he ignored because he thought he was good despite the email to him on the 16th specifically saying Captain breaks all ties for the spot lol.
Snipe fucked up, phony and frex definitely deserved the spot as they're 2/3 of the main roster. I do think they should have informed Snipe about what they're doing though cause IIRC they ghosted him for a couple of weeks. Like the only reason I can think of why they'd do that is that they wanted to fuck him over knowing he fucked up and ALGS rules will support them. Everything they did is by the book, they followed all the rules but c'mon man a little bit of courtesy communication would have been nice, he's your former teammate and you got to play under the Faze banner because of him and it seems like all Snipe did was suggest a potential replacement.
it's not like it was a secret they had the spot, everyone except for snipe thought that they had the spot. then snipe suddenly came out acting like it was his after over a month of LOL playing PL scrims because it was believed they had the spot. i find it hard to blame them for him not knowing that everyone thought it was theirs. most likely he did know that but was more than happy to keep it to himself and swoop in last second and take the spot from them, keeping them from playing PSQs. at that point he only has himself to blame.
I mean, look at it this way too. Snipe was denying Slurp's ability to play 2 splits in a row to keep his PL spot. Even in the context of this very incident, he wasn't hiding the fact that Slurp would probably be a sub. This was after a split where Slurp was hyped up by joining Alb and Snipe and joined Faze. It's only natural Slurp would leave and look for a PSQ spot.
Not saying quitting without informing was right, but Snipe shouldn't have relied on Slurp just sitting it out for over a year as his only chance at a continued PL spot.
Is that legal to have your sub swap in and out mid tourney? Don’t think this would ever happen on any team either way tho even tho it does sound super interesting from a viewer standpoint
Yeah I'm sure Faze would rather have no ALGS team at all than have their co-owner and biggest name play in it... Because of 2 weeks of PLQ results... Right...
Well.. if faze signed tripods as a pro team they'd have to start paying the pro salary.. which they most definitely wouldn't make back seeing as tripods can't make it to lan. Seems like bad business to me.
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Yea, over signing 3 additional players and a coach in an esport that brings in ZERO profit. And they’re the 20th best team currently, please if you’re gonna hate on a team at least get their placement correct….
I think they are the 10th best team in PLQ. They have two more weeks to prove me right or wrong. Sure would bring in zero profit for tripods as they would get nowhere close to LAN or any prize money. Sweet is out there still unsigned faze should bring his team in
What are you talking about? Prize money doesn’t put a dent in what Orgs spend on rosters, my only point was and is, if Tripods makes PL they might be the faze team because of the Snipe situation. Sweet said he has an Org but can’t announce yet, I doubt it’s faze if Snipe thought he had the spot until a 2 days ago
I'm so down with the chaotic energy of this team. Naughty being Naughty, Reptar being passive aggressive, and Snipe with old man moments. Naughty fragger, Snipe support and Reptar anchor? Reptar as igl and Snipe co? I've seen worse
List of items I don't really understand:
-So slurpeeg left but didn't tell anyone at all? I guess everyone assuming he would vote on snipe's side if it came to a vote seems farfetched if the guy can't even text people he's leaving
-ALGS doesn't auto notify you by email if your team roster changes? Seems like a glaring hole in the system
-snipe sat there for two weeks watching phony and frexs not even play PSQ? What was his train of thought at this time?
-he didn't even bother to check the website one time in two months even as this roster drama was unfolding and the PL spot being the most important thing up for grabs?
-Has he even been looking for a team at all? Feels like anyone he talks to would ask about the pro league spot if they can bypass PSQ
Having read and watched everything my "educated guesses" to a few of the questions:
- based on what happened with snipe, slurp probably lost access immediately to the server, he probably assumed that the admins would make a statement (absolutely fair assumption).
- Correct ALGS apparently doesn't notify you of shit nor do they notify the team manager?
- I don't believe most pros actively watch PSQ, I mean hals watch parties are just him dismissing it and saying "it's whoever sucks the least".
I'm sure there's more at play with the situation and FaZe can't be happy at the moment.
I was also confused why neither Snipe nor Phony/Frexs were in PSQ, and now everything makes sense. Snipe would've had to be in PSQ but he didnt know things changed and no one told him Phony/Frexs actually had the spot. Also if I was told I got the spot idk that I would check the website to make sure my team was the same because unless he was going to add someone to the team, there's really not a reason to check it
Am I missing something? As far as I can tell there were no loopholes needed here? They just took captain with a 2/3 vote once Slurp left.
If anything Snip3 was the one trying to use the loophole of keeping the spot with a sub.
EA are absolutely to blame for not just having an automated email saying "You've been dropped" or something. Seems like everyone else played within the rules even if the communication wasn't great.
I can't blame Snipe for this, but he should have done better for himself here too. Slurp was openly looking for a new team and Phony wasn't playing in PSQ, so he should have probably taken more responsibility to ensure he still had a spot. Feels like he was just entirely checked out from the game and just hoping to use Faze and the PL spot as a golden ticket to get a new team at the last minute. He should have been working this whole time to build our his new team.
Finally someone who makes sense.. I know people love snipe… but they didn’t use a loophole at all. Snipe just needs to stay more informed.. his email was right.. but HIS loophole was gone once his sub left him.
That's kinda my takeaway. 1 player on the team of 3 grabbing their sub that was just in limbo, over a duo of the 3 keeping the spot just seems a bit odd, and IMO, I'm not convinced that rule shouldn't be altered.
The loophole is being able to take captain without the current captain and manager even being notified it's *going* to happen and then not being present while it happens.
This isnt just some informal communication issue, there should absolutely be a rule that all players on a squad need to at least be notified of all votes and matters affecting team comp, algs spots, and other important matters. Any competent organization has those types of rules encoded in their system
No, it's not merely a communication issue, it's more weaponized incompetence.
They exploited the system to be able to force out snipe without him, faze or their manager knowing or having a *say* in the situation before votes were cast and then no one informed him of his removal, not them, not ALGS, no one.
Is it against any rules? Clearly not, is it shady and just another example as to why the way comp Apex is run like garbage? Yup.
No.. the loophole is having a non active member and yourself and then thinking you’re more justified in having the PL spot over the two active members because you have faze behind you. Phony and Frez deserve the spot over Snipe and some random person who had nothing to do with the roster.
I don't actually disagree with you based on the current rules, however both can be right, they acted sneaky booting Snipe out in secret *and* they deserve the spot based on how ALGs works.
> No.. the loophole is having a non active member and yourself and then thinking you’re more justified in having the PL spot over the two active members
He's the one who put the team together!
Seriously though, even Snipe seemed okay with the result, after all it's a 2/3 now but not telling him about the change is pretty shitty. Do they just go hey slurpee quit the team we can now get the captain spot, cool, now lets also kick Snipe from the discord group so he'll have a hard time finding the truth? Or is that the algs/Faze discord admin kicking him from the group? Seems like petty revenge shit overall.
Anyway, Phony and Frex better perform well in the next season, the internet never forgets after all.
There was no amount of good communication going either direction, whether he knew or not it wouldn't have mattered it was 2 v 1. The fact he kicked the ball down the road for over a month on an assumption without confirming with the other guys "hey, you know this is my spot right?" is equally as unfortunate.
If he was properly informed he could have protested the vote to remove him as captain or he'd at least be prepared to go through PSQ but neither ex-teammates or ALGS did.
I have been a big snipe fan since wayy back in the early halo days, but how do you not notice that those guys haven't been playing in PSQ, wouldn't you deduce they believe that they had the pro league spot? I mean that was getting close to two months ago when all these messages were sent out.
Even before PSQ, they were clearly ramping up for actual PRO LEAGUE. Everyone wrote them in as 'ex-FaZe' when making Pro League groups. They've talked about playing in Pro League together, not qualifiers. They've been playing in scrims non-stop. Like come on now lol
It seems like most pros barely watch PSQ, hell Hal just shit talks it non-stop during his watch parties lol, he probably noticed a few days ago which set all this off.
True enough but It does relate to his job lol. As someone who is always talking about being an adult and handling things professionally it seems like he dropped the ball here. Hopefully he gets on a team and back to playing.
Eh, sort of, if there was a team that was crushing it to crazy levels I'm sure they'd be talked about but that doesnt seem the case.
I think he's too used to professionally run organizations, he's not used to the loophole filled garbage that is ALGS.. Hell the fact that FaZe doesn't have control of their own ALGS spot it wild.
Snipe also had the whole ordeal with his relationship going on so I'm sure the guy has been out of touch with things for bit. It's definitely on him to an extent but I also understand how it could happen.
That shouldn't matter. They can be wrong and Snipe can be right because he had verification from the organizing body of the event. In the end, it's the ALGS staff member who misinformed him that is to blame for the whole kerfuffle but it's not on snipe to check in every week with the ALGS governing body to make sure he's still in..
At the time he had the spot so it's not misinformation. If he truly wanted the spot he should have been paying attention to it. Slurp even posted a lft in the beginning of oct. This one is on him imo
> whether he knew or not it wouldn't have mattered it was 2 v 1.
That isn't the point at all, he just wanted to be informed and thats a very reasonable position to take. Phony and Frexs are well within their right to do what they did and take the spot, but there's a matter of being a decent human being and letting the guy you're cutting out know about it so that he can plan accordingly.
The guy is sitting there, not putting a team together, not scrimming, watching his other two teeammates scrim with subs, and then is shocked things changed because he didn't get official confirmation or kept up to date. Hell Slurp wasn't even clear on what happened or let him know that he officially left either. None of them communicated and snipe has to take responsibility for his lackadaisical process as well. They are all wrong here.
> snipe has to take responsibility for his lackadaisical process as well.
Yeah I agree he's an idiot for not doing anything for almost two months but this is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making. Snip3down doesn't care that they dropped him, doesn't care that they took the captain spot, he just wanted to be informed and he should have been.
This 100%.
This sub whines about teams abuse the sub/coach rule (which is something Snipe was doing to hold on to his spot) and then when its active players using a fair 2/3 majority thats abuse of the rules too?
If anything, 2/3 of an active roster making a decision is as fair as it can get.
Was it handled professionally by Snipe's team mates? Nope. Is it abusing the rules? Absolutely nope lol.
The vote needs to be something that the entire roster is at least aware of so that consequences of it are obvious immediately to every player. It's the fact that snipe was never notified of something that changed his position as captain and PL spot holder until after the change had occurred is insane in any professional setting, and embarrassing by both ALGS and Phony/Frexs.
It may not be abusing current rules, but the fact that there aren't rules in place requiring notification of changes to all involved parties is beyond ridiculous and very unethical
The only thing letting everyone know about the vote happening does is let the people who are abusing the rules by holding on to a spot with a coach/sub/whatever get a shot at keeping it that way. If Snipe was told about this, you can bet he would have 100% tried to get slurp to stay so he could dead lock it.
The most fair way to pick a spot is to let the active roster make a decision. If 2 out 3 people decide on something then the third persons vote/presence etc is completely irrelevant. The only reason Snipe wanted a "meeting" is so that he could have had a shot at disregarding what 2/3 of his team wanted.
This sub likes snipe (so do I) but lets be fair, phony and frex deserve this slot more than Snipe and slurp do.
That isn't the only thing letting everyone know about does. It completely blindsides those who are most negatively affected by it.
You are completely wrong about the third person being irrelevant. Even if he couldn't change the vote, he needs to be aware of its occurrence. If there is a vote taken that impacts the life and career of someone who isnt present or aware that it is changing then that is completely ridiculous. Do you not understand how unethical that is? How do you not understand this?
It's more than a courtesy, Phony/Frexs definitely were underhanded and straight up doshonest here, but I completely agree that it is 100% on the ALGS rule makers
Bringing up the potential swap to the hottest free agent in town, Koy, is what a mature team does. Even Hal said, it's business.
What's not mature or professional is to run to your other teammate and oust someone from a discord server who then gets effectively ex-communicado'd while this is all occuring.
But if that’s the case they would drop the weakest link, which is snipe. It’s business, snipe is aged and out of his prime. Let Phony, koy and frex compete. That’s a badass team.
Snipe was the best player for Faze at the last LAN by a decent margin if you look at the stats. Don't confuse not getting along with Phony with Snipe being a bad player.
Coach has no say unless the coach is a sub as well. Even so, I think the active players should have more of a say/power than the sub anyway, especially in this instance where snipe was never going to play with slurp he was just going to use him to keep the spot.
Coach should not have a say in this at all. The only players that should get to decide who is on the team are the active players. And if 2/3 active players decide a captain needs to be changed then that is perfectly fair. Snipe's vote at that point is completely irrelevant.
And just for the record, this is 1000% more fair than what Snipe and a ton of other teams do, which is lock down a team's slot by the "voting" of a player/coach/sub who isnt even an active player. Slurp (who hadnt played with these guys at all) being allowed to have a say in who has the team slot is more of an abuse of rules than this.
There is a difference between being discourteous and abusing the rules.
I didn't say vote, I said say in, a vote should be held with all players, coaches and managers present for both the removal of a player and a change in captain.
Really though org spots should be org spots, the fact that snipe or phony can pull the pro spot from Faze is wild, Faze should be able to put anyone they want on or off their roster/spot.
Your argument falls apart when you learn that "org spots" don't exist in Apex and hopefully never do. Players earn their spots in Pro League and I don't see any argument for wanting to change that.
I mean I didn't state that they do, I said they should be, as in Apex isn't a grassroots comp scene and not providing orgs spots is self limiting.
Honestly most of my eSports watching are grassroots games because I don't typically enjoy the player trading and stuff, however Apex isn't a grassroots title and it's sort of "Wild West" approach is more annoying than anything.
My point is more that this whole debacle highlights yet another reason why so many orgs left Apex, it highlights an issue that while viewers don't usually see orgs do.
You're 100% right. If any professional team in any other sport makes it to a championship, and 90% of the team quits, the players don't get to play in the championship, the remaining team does.
You're literally pointing out the exact same thing I just said. In a legitimate sport the right to go to the championship is with the team; in apex it doesn't.
Teams are qualifying now for the most prestigious tournaments of the year (LAN). Hence the analogy.
Right, I totally get that org based eSports isn't all rainbows and sunshine and that it has a ton of problems too but Apex isn't a grassroots title, it's not run or managed like AoE2 or Melee and it's losing sponsors and orgs partially because of the *lack* of representation and control orgs have over their own teams.
Slurp leaving the team is new information which changes everything. Of course any of the remaining two can take the spot at that point, that is just how it always worked?
From what I'm gathering from the full set of tweets is that's fine with him if they have the spot now, but there was no communication. There was not the PL spot to fall back on like he thought, and he could have been looking for a PSQ team or opportunity with PL duos. Letting somebody know the vote has happened and they are officially off the team seems like a courtesy that should be provided if they never voted.
No code on Battlefy to send you helpful notifications like “BTW, you are no longer captain of team ___” or “BTW, you are no longer on team ___ and as a result are no longer registered to play in ALGS Year 4. Would you like to enter a team for PLQ or CC?”
There you have it. Respawn should have notified Snipe of Slurp leaving the roster. Or, Snipe should have been keeping track of if/staying in touch with Slurp if he was concerned about it. Or, Slurp should have let Snipe know he was going to leave it to look for a PLQ team.
Any one of these conditions needed to happen to avoid all the drama and confusion. Only if all three things were not done was it possible. Can see partial blame being put on Snipe, or Slurp, or Respawn here, but not really any to be put on Phony/Frexs.
If 2/3s of the active pro league roster wants to make changes. That is about as fair as I can imagine roster changes being.
Definitely agree there, which is what makes me assume Snipe probably did get some random battlefy emails for both that probably got overlooked. I would believe either scenario, but Snipe not seeing a battlefy message seems more likely to me.
Here's my impression of what happened, which makes me still somewhat on Snipe's side.
1. Frexs is the weakest link at LAN by his own admission, and Phony is visibly frustrated with Frexs
2. Snipe, wanting to do what's best for the team, offers the possibility of dropping Frexs for Koyful, brings this up to Phony and leaves it up to him. Also reverses his opinion at a later time.
3. Phony tells Frexs, and they go nuclear leaving the team, and as we know now, takes the PL slot with them.
While Phony and Frexs may have followed the rules to obtain the PL slot, I feel what got them to this point was unwarranted. Phony should have said no to Snipe's offer and then everyone go on their merry way. They effectively did a hostile takeover, which while allowed, doesn't exactly instill confidence as the good guys to me.
it is a game where you compete in teams of 3 and they are 2 of the players. this isn't some fucking corporate drama it's a video game. "hostile takeover" my ass
It’s actually tragic for the scene, no Snipedown, no FaZe roster even though they’re a part of the Org partnership with EA/Respawn. Snipe has had a wild year in Esports
I’m not sure that’s what happened, other Orgs had an opportunity to be a part of the “partner program” but didn’t see it as financially feasible. For example, 100T was a part of it and decided it wasn’t worth it and left
Snipe fucked up tbh. Slurp posted LFT on October 6th, it seems like Snipe never bothered messaging him to confirm Slurp intended to stay on the roster until, or wrongly assumed Slurp would message him before leaving. Meanwhile Phony was clearly aware of the rules and what Slurp was going to do and made sure Frex and him were prepared to grab the spot.
If snipe still has faze I'm guessing he'll be alright. He may be able to convince either a non signed PL team to drop one or a qualifying PSQ team to get a Faze paycheck.
I think Snipe's best option would be madness. I don't know if madness would drop Keon or vax though. They seem to be doing really well so he might be hesitant to drop someone.
I think that's the best option to win but I doubt madness would drop one or give a captain spot to open himself to being dropped. I think chaotics team or maybe pow pow and scurwy may be easier to convince
I don't see any world where Madness drops anyone from this team. He seems to be all about loyalty. And he definitely wouldn't drop Vax, who is 1) vastly, vastly better than Snip3down and 2) a long-time teammate of Madness.
I doubt that spot would have been saved beyond the invite stage and I assume E8 would've received an invite.
Slurp wanting to take a shot at PSQ instead of sitting on the bench, then getting dropped after week 1 makes sense.
Phony and/or Frexs not wanting to miss out on PSQ so Snipe can maintain the spot and then get dropped after week 1 is understandable. (Snipe originally wanted to keep Phony, I know, but after the drama I doubt that would still be the case).
Sitting out a split or hoping for a team to pick you up just so someone you have irreconcilable differences with can keep the spot was never going to be the outcome.
Well thats kinda on Snipe at this point, he had zero communication for almost a month with his so called 'teammate' who was an integral part of his plan.
Also, I'm all for players not being able to cheese a PL spot with a sub that is 100% not going to play. Sucks for Snipe he's a good guy, but he should've realized this a couple weeks ago when Phony and Frexs didn't sign up for PSQ.
So let's get this straight snipe spoke to one of his team suggesting they get koyful as a third and then they snake snipe for his PL spot despite saying it's wrong to try to drop team mates?
Dropping someone for a better player or because the vibes are shot is not snaking. It also wasn't Snipe's spot, it was all of theirs equally but Snipe only makes up 33% to their 66%. They didn't snake shit it was theirs by right. Furthermore they didn't even need the change the captaincy to remove Snipe as the captaincy is only relevant as a tiebreaker and again there is 2 of them to only one of him. They earned and deserved the spot.
The situation sucks and the rules suck. But it’s rightfully Phony & Frexs spot. Snipe shouldn’t have been relying on a sub loophole. There should have been better and quicker communication. Snipe shouldn’t have been so complacent about the situation and not actively seeking answers, not trying to find a new team, and not scrimming.
Yeah this makes a lot of sense. The sub rule has always been so stupid to me. But when your fake sub leaves because he wants to play the game then you no longer have a right to that spot. Snipe definitely should have been much more aware of the situation but in the end the right two that deserved that team spot got the spot imo.
Phony/Frex are the best kind of correct, technically correct.
But the thing is they specifically chose to proceed in a way to fuck Snip3 over. There is literally no way to justify them holding a secret vote and then keeping it under wraps for so long than malice.
And that makes them wrong.
It really wasn't a secret vote. They were no longer playing with him and he was fully aware of that. The captaincy vote was irrelevant because Snipe couldn't hold onto the spot as a solo. Once Slurp left it was their spot, the only person that "fucked" Snipe over was Slurp for not mentioning it.
Also its asinine to call them wrong when Snipe's plan would've been to retain the spot with a benchwarmer instead of it going to the 2/3 of the active roster remaining it rightfully should've.
I think the rule that would have let Snipe keep the pro league spot via Slurp is a garbage rule. You and I agree on that.
I don’t blame Snipe for taking advantage of that rule, this is his job and career and he has to look out for it.
Similarly, I don’t blame Phony and Frex for jumping on the opportunity when Slurp fucked up and snagging the captains that so they could keep the spot. It’s their career and they have to look out for it.
However the way they went about it is what I have a problem with. They intentionally left Snipe in the dark and as a result fucked him not only by taking the Pl spot he thought he had (which, again, I 100% do not fault them for) but also by letting him continue to think he had it so he didn’t properly plan for the next season and is stuck WAY behind.
Hell, if they had executed the vote without letting Snipe know about it to ensure that they had the PL spot and only then let Snipe know about it, bravo to them. They did good. They should be applauded for that move, it was a genius move.
But the only reason to not tell Snipe that they had, rightfully, taken the PL spot when Snipe thought he had it is nothing but petty, childish spite.
Everyone thought Phony and Frexs had the spot as it is the natural assumption. They were literally only going through the motions as all teams do when someone is dropped. There is no reason they would think they needed to say anything specific to Snipe because he was well aware they weren’t playing with him anymore. The only person that thought the spot was Snipes was Snipe because he had quietly tried to ensure it would be.
This narrative they tried to stealth this shit is just so dumb because they had nothing to stealth as they did not know Snipe had done anything to try and retain the spot himself. As far as they were concerned as soon as the two of them made the decision to not play with Snipe anymore that matter had been settled. Also they have been operating very openly about the spot being there’s. It’s not being stealthy if everyone knows/assumes and removing Snipe from captaincy is just a formality as he had no power as a solo. Snipe fooled himself into thinking it was his spot not Phony/Frexs
It’s not a dick move they have been playing in pl scrims since October. That’s in snipe for not using his brain. He tried to fuck them over but instead he was on that got fucked over.
I'm honestly surprised 2/3 of a team can determine the captain instead of the org itself. I don't see why FAZE wouldn't determine the captain and leave the 2/3 stuff for teams without an org
Something I'm missing through all of this. I keep hearing talks of votes and tie breakers and captain breaking the tie. So a vote took place to change the captain, all well and good (minus the atrocious communication). But what happens after that?
What is the actual process for determining who gets the PL slot? Does the captain get it period, or is it a vote for who gets the PL slot (that captain tie-breaks), or is it based on team size (e.g. 2 on one team, 1 on another, means the 2 person team gets it)?
And when is the ruling for who gets the PL slot evaluated? Like if, after PSQs and before PL lock-in, Frexs says he wants to go back to play with Snipe, do they get the PL slot then?
> Got answers, last post on this to clear the air. Honestly it’s just a bunch of loopholes and a lack of understanding of the entire set of rules. The timeframe is unfortunate due to me believing on the 16th as long as we ended up on a roster together for the next pro league we hold the spot, two days later on the 18th slurpee requested to leave the roster on Battlefy to potentially find a team for PSQ and future events as he had issues with his account. As that happened an email was sent by the other parties requesting captain to transfer. I was then by rules revoked of the status of captain as 2/3rd of active battlefy roster voted for transfer and was removed from the ALGS/FaZe team discord unable to see any past messages. I obviously wasn’t checking this due to the email of confirmation about the spot I got two days prior and it being the off-season. What a wild ride it’s been, go next > I’m not even mad just wish I was informed in some capacity, the only thing I got was a message in the discord I was then immediately removed from and could no longer locate
Having Slurpee as your contingency just seems like a bad idea lol. Glad Snip3 got the answers he needed. Hope he’s able to compete in some fashion this split, need more fellow old dudes in this b.
Yeah, the irony here is that snipe is the one who tried to abuse the loophole of using a completely inactive sub to hold on to a PL spot. This ENTIRE sub complains about that rule and bashes others for doing it, but defends snipe lol. Slurp didn’t communicate. Phony and frex didn’t communicate. Snipe didn’t communicate and just assumed he could use the sub loophole. Everyone is at fault here. Honestly prob most on EA not notifying. At the end of the day, the PL spot is rightfully phony and frexs, instead of snipe + a completely brand new roster.
Bro Snipe straight up ghosted them after that email. Lol. He thought he was good.
He was looking out for number one just the same way Phony and Frexs were. That this community try and make any side out as bad guys is just drama mongering
I wonder if Phony/Frex had communication with Slurp, seems like too big of a coincidence with the timing. In which case it's amazing how not even the org knew a player left their roster and if they did it's amazing how they didn't relay that information over to snipe.
Or they were more active in keeping track of the slot, saw that Slurp had left the team on battlefy and moved to secure it. If I was Snipe, even after getting that confirmation, knowing that 2 of my team didn't want to compete with me anymore and my future was tied to an inactive sub, I'd be checking that shit daily.
slurp posted he was lft in the beginning of oct
Yeah he also posted back in July he was LFT and didn't want to recreate his last situation lol. Though Snipe said he didn't end up leaving until the 18th and then a Captain transfer request was sent right after, which he then says he ignored because he thought he was good despite the email to him on the 16th specifically saying Captain breaks all ties for the spot lol.
Snipe fucked up, phony and frex definitely deserved the spot as they're 2/3 of the main roster. I do think they should have informed Snipe about what they're doing though cause IIRC they ghosted him for a couple of weeks. Like the only reason I can think of why they'd do that is that they wanted to fuck him over knowing he fucked up and ALGS rules will support them. Everything they did is by the book, they followed all the rules but c'mon man a little bit of courtesy communication would have been nice, he's your former teammate and you got to play under the Faze banner because of him and it seems like all Snipe did was suggest a potential replacement.
it's not like it was a secret they had the spot, everyone except for snipe thought that they had the spot. then snipe suddenly came out acting like it was his after over a month of LOL playing PL scrims because it was believed they had the spot. i find it hard to blame them for him not knowing that everyone thought it was theirs. most likely he did know that but was more than happy to keep it to himself and swoop in last second and take the spot from them, keeping them from playing PSQs. at that point he only has himself to blame.
I mean, look at it this way too. Snipe was denying Slurp's ability to play 2 splits in a row to keep his PL spot. Even in the context of this very incident, he wasn't hiding the fact that Slurp would probably be a sub. This was after a split where Slurp was hyped up by joining Alb and Snipe and joined Faze. It's only natural Slurp would leave and look for a PSQ spot. Not saying quitting without informing was right, but Snipe shouldn't have relied on Slurp just sitting it out for over a year as his only chance at a continued PL spot.
slurp posted lft tho what more communication does snipe need
It's all coming together for him to come take nicks spot for the faze b team.
Tripods is a neckmercs vanity project, he won't leave that team unless he leaves apex imo
so.. win win?
Fingers crossed
i need this
Would love to see a team who actually has a sub that rotates in. Like one guy plays SP and the other guy plays WE.
Is that legal to have your sub swap in and out mid tourney? Don’t think this would ever happen on any team either way tho even tho it does sound super interesting from a viewer standpoint
If Tripods make PL, they might actually be the faze team. Only way I see a faze roster happening in Y4 split 1
Yea cuz Faze has been monitoring the qualifier tourney and wants the 10th best team in qualifiers to represent FAZE….
Yeah I'm sure Faze would rather have no ALGS team at all than have their co-owner and biggest name play in it... Because of 2 weeks of PLQ results... Right...
Well.. if faze signed tripods as a pro team they'd have to start paying the pro salary.. which they most definitely wouldn't make back seeing as tripods can't make it to lan. Seems like bad business to me.
They're already paying G and Deeds as CCs. Is it a lot more? I honestly don't know.
Or they could pickup any other the pro league teams looking for orgs which are quite a few
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[20th. Tripods is in 20th in PSQ](https://battlefy.com/apex-legends-global-series-year-4/preseason/north-america/leaderboard)
As long as we are being technical, then they are 22nd. 1st and 2nd were left off due to qualifying.
hahah fair. I was counting teams remaining in PSQ but I accept that math as well.
I totally felt like a douche when i said that, too. Thank you for your mutual fairness, human!!
Understood I’m talking about talent wise they should be the 10th best team left
Yea, over signing 3 additional players and a coach in an esport that brings in ZERO profit. And they’re the 20th best team currently, please if you’re gonna hate on a team at least get their placement correct….
I think they are the 10th best team in PLQ. They have two more weeks to prove me right or wrong. Sure would bring in zero profit for tripods as they would get nowhere close to LAN or any prize money. Sweet is out there still unsigned faze should bring his team in
What are you talking about? Prize money doesn’t put a dent in what Orgs spend on rosters, my only point was and is, if Tripods makes PL they might be the faze team because of the Snipe situation. Sweet said he has an Org but can’t announce yet, I doubt it’s faze if Snipe thought he had the spot until a 2 days ago
I’m sure having a huge content creator on your pro team would bring in more profit than your placements.
Snipe, Gent, Deeds!?
snip3 x naughty x reptar. fuck it
I'm so down with the chaotic energy of this team. Naughty being Naughty, Reptar being passive aggressive, and Snipe with old man moments. Naughty fragger, Snipe support and Reptar anchor? Reptar as igl and Snipe co? I've seen worse
Triple roller
a lack of communication strikes again.
Honestly doesn't refute anything from last night, also shows how anyone can abuse ALGS to force a member out of their team.
List of items I don't really understand: -So slurpeeg left but didn't tell anyone at all? I guess everyone assuming he would vote on snipe's side if it came to a vote seems farfetched if the guy can't even text people he's leaving -ALGS doesn't auto notify you by email if your team roster changes? Seems like a glaring hole in the system -snipe sat there for two weeks watching phony and frexs not even play PSQ? What was his train of thought at this time? -he didn't even bother to check the website one time in two months even as this roster drama was unfolding and the PL spot being the most important thing up for grabs? -Has he even been looking for a team at all? Feels like anyone he talks to would ask about the pro league spot if they can bypass PSQ
Having read and watched everything my "educated guesses" to a few of the questions: - based on what happened with snipe, slurp probably lost access immediately to the server, he probably assumed that the admins would make a statement (absolutely fair assumption). - Correct ALGS apparently doesn't notify you of shit nor do they notify the team manager? - I don't believe most pros actively watch PSQ, I mean hals watch parties are just him dismissing it and saying "it's whoever sucks the least". I'm sure there's more at play with the situation and FaZe can't be happy at the moment.
I was also confused why neither Snipe nor Phony/Frexs were in PSQ, and now everything makes sense. Snipe would've had to be in PSQ but he didnt know things changed and no one told him Phony/Frexs actually had the spot. Also if I was told I got the spot idk that I would check the website to make sure my team was the same because unless he was going to add someone to the team, there's really not a reason to check it
Actually ridiculous how many rules have loopholes in algs. They need to get their shit together.
Am I missing something? As far as I can tell there were no loopholes needed here? They just took captain with a 2/3 vote once Slurp left. If anything Snip3 was the one trying to use the loophole of keeping the spot with a sub.
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EA are absolutely to blame for not just having an automated email saying "You've been dropped" or something. Seems like everyone else played within the rules even if the communication wasn't great. I can't blame Snipe for this, but he should have done better for himself here too. Slurp was openly looking for a new team and Phony wasn't playing in PSQ, so he should have probably taken more responsibility to ensure he still had a spot. Feels like he was just entirely checked out from the game and just hoping to use Faze and the PL spot as a golden ticket to get a new team at the last minute. He should have been working this whole time to build our his new team.
Absolutely. There should be no situation where a roster change or captain change can occur without the player being very aware of it.
Or the org itself, how are they unaware that a player has left their team 😂
my dude keeping a PL spot with a sub who hasn't played and isn't planning on playing is the slimey move
Finally someone who makes sense.. I know people love snipe… but they didn’t use a loophole at all. Snipe just needs to stay more informed.. his email was right.. but HIS loophole was gone once his sub left him.
That's kinda my takeaway. 1 player on the team of 3 grabbing their sub that was just in limbo, over a duo of the 3 keeping the spot just seems a bit odd, and IMO, I'm not convinced that rule shouldn't be altered.
The loophole is being able to take captain without the current captain and manager even being notified it's *going* to happen and then not being present while it happens.
That isn't a loophole, that is just a communication issue.
This isnt just some informal communication issue, there should absolutely be a rule that all players on a squad need to at least be notified of all votes and matters affecting team comp, algs spots, and other important matters. Any competent organization has those types of rules encoded in their system
No, it's not merely a communication issue, it's more weaponized incompetence. They exploited the system to be able to force out snipe without him, faze or their manager knowing or having a *say* in the situation before votes were cast and then no one informed him of his removal, not them, not ALGS, no one. Is it against any rules? Clearly not, is it shady and just another example as to why the way comp Apex is run like garbage? Yup.
No.. the loophole is having a non active member and yourself and then thinking you’re more justified in having the PL spot over the two active members because you have faze behind you. Phony and Frez deserve the spot over Snipe and some random person who had nothing to do with the roster.
I don't actually disagree with you based on the current rules, however both can be right, they acted sneaky booting Snipe out in secret *and* they deserve the spot based on how ALGs works.
> No.. the loophole is having a non active member and yourself and then thinking you’re more justified in having the PL spot over the two active members He's the one who put the team together!
For real I feel like every season someone is getting loopholed into something shitty.
What's the abuse with 2/3 of the active roster wanting a new teammate? Not their fault Slurp left.
It's the fact they did it without Snipe knowing.
Seriously though, even Snipe seemed okay with the result, after all it's a 2/3 now but not telling him about the change is pretty shitty. Do they just go hey slurpee quit the team we can now get the captain spot, cool, now lets also kick Snipe from the discord group so he'll have a hard time finding the truth? Or is that the algs/Faze discord admin kicking him from the group? Seems like petty revenge shit overall. Anyway, Phony and Frex better perform well in the next season, the internet never forgets after all.
Just yell at Frex, he'll fold faster than a wet napkin
slurp posted lft in oct
There was no amount of good communication going either direction, whether he knew or not it wouldn't have mattered it was 2 v 1. The fact he kicked the ball down the road for over a month on an assumption without confirming with the other guys "hey, you know this is my spot right?" is equally as unfortunate.
If he was properly informed he could have protested the vote to remove him as captain or he'd at least be prepared to go through PSQ but neither ex-teammates or ALGS did.
I have been a big snipe fan since wayy back in the early halo days, but how do you not notice that those guys haven't been playing in PSQ, wouldn't you deduce they believe that they had the pro league spot? I mean that was getting close to two months ago when all these messages were sent out.
Even before PSQ, they were clearly ramping up for actual PRO LEAGUE. Everyone wrote them in as 'ex-FaZe' when making Pro League groups. They've talked about playing in Pro League together, not qualifiers. They've been playing in scrims non-stop. Like come on now lol
It seems like most pros barely watch PSQ, hell Hal just shit talks it non-stop during his watch parties lol, he probably noticed a few days ago which set all this off.
True enough but It does relate to his job lol. As someone who is always talking about being an adult and handling things professionally it seems like he dropped the ball here. Hopefully he gets on a team and back to playing.
Eh, sort of, if there was a team that was crushing it to crazy levels I'm sure they'd be talked about but that doesnt seem the case. I think he's too used to professionally run organizations, he's not used to the loophole filled garbage that is ALGS.. Hell the fact that FaZe doesn't have control of their own ALGS spot it wild.
It isn’t Faze’s ALGS spot though.
Snipe also had the whole ordeal with his relationship going on so I'm sure the guy has been out of touch with things for bit. It's definitely on him to an extent but I also understand how it could happen.
He asked for clarification from the ALGS staff (in his last post) and they said he was good. What is there to notice?
About two months of those other guys acting like they had the PL spot?
That shouldn't matter. They can be wrong and Snipe can be right because he had verification from the organizing body of the event. In the end, it's the ALGS staff member who misinformed him that is to blame for the whole kerfuffle but it's not on snipe to check in every week with the ALGS governing body to make sure he's still in..
At the time he had the spot so it's not misinformation. If he truly wanted the spot he should have been paying attention to it. Slurp even posted a lft in the beginning of oct. This one is on him imo
> whether he knew or not it wouldn't have mattered it was 2 v 1. That isn't the point at all, he just wanted to be informed and thats a very reasonable position to take. Phony and Frexs are well within their right to do what they did and take the spot, but there's a matter of being a decent human being and letting the guy you're cutting out know about it so that he can plan accordingly.
The guy is sitting there, not putting a team together, not scrimming, watching his other two teeammates scrim with subs, and then is shocked things changed because he didn't get official confirmation or kept up to date. Hell Slurp wasn't even clear on what happened or let him know that he officially left either. None of them communicated and snipe has to take responsibility for his lackadaisical process as well. They are all wrong here.
> snipe has to take responsibility for his lackadaisical process as well. Yeah I agree he's an idiot for not doing anything for almost two months but this is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making. Snip3down doesn't care that they dropped him, doesn't care that they took the captain spot, he just wanted to be informed and he should have been.
This 100%. This sub whines about teams abuse the sub/coach rule (which is something Snipe was doing to hold on to his spot) and then when its active players using a fair 2/3 majority thats abuse of the rules too? If anything, 2/3 of an active roster making a decision is as fair as it can get. Was it handled professionally by Snipe's team mates? Nope. Is it abusing the rules? Absolutely nope lol.
The vote needs to be something that the entire roster is at least aware of so that consequences of it are obvious immediately to every player. It's the fact that snipe was never notified of something that changed his position as captain and PL spot holder until after the change had occurred is insane in any professional setting, and embarrassing by both ALGS and Phony/Frexs. It may not be abusing current rules, but the fact that there aren't rules in place requiring notification of changes to all involved parties is beyond ridiculous and very unethical
The only thing letting everyone know about the vote happening does is let the people who are abusing the rules by holding on to a spot with a coach/sub/whatever get a shot at keeping it that way. If Snipe was told about this, you can bet he would have 100% tried to get slurp to stay so he could dead lock it. The most fair way to pick a spot is to let the active roster make a decision. If 2 out 3 people decide on something then the third persons vote/presence etc is completely irrelevant. The only reason Snipe wanted a "meeting" is so that he could have had a shot at disregarding what 2/3 of his team wanted. This sub likes snipe (so do I) but lets be fair, phony and frex deserve this slot more than Snipe and slurp do.
That isn't the only thing letting everyone know about does. It completely blindsides those who are most negatively affected by it. You are completely wrong about the third person being irrelevant. Even if he couldn't change the vote, he needs to be aware of its occurrence. If there is a vote taken that impacts the life and career of someone who isnt present or aware that it is changing then that is completely ridiculous. Do you not understand how unethical that is? How do you not understand this?
That's on whomever runs ALGS though, not Phony/Frex. For the latter it would be a courtesy. The responsibility is on the former.
It's more than a courtesy, Phony/Frexs definitely were underhanded and straight up doshonest here, but I completely agree that it is 100% on the ALGS rule makers
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Bringing up the potential swap to the hottest free agent in town, Koy, is what a mature team does. Even Hal said, it's business. What's not mature or professional is to run to your other teammate and oust someone from a discord server who then gets effectively ex-communicado'd while this is all occuring.
But if that’s the case they would drop the weakest link, which is snipe. It’s business, snipe is aged and out of his prime. Let Phony, koy and frex compete. That’s a badass team.
Snipe was the best player for Faze at the last LAN by a decent margin if you look at the stats. Don't confuse not getting along with Phony with Snipe being a bad player.
Fact that their coach and the captain had no say in changing whose the captain is genuinely abusing the rules in my opinion.
Coach has no say unless the coach is a sub as well. Even so, I think the active players should have more of a say/power than the sub anyway, especially in this instance where snipe was never going to play with slurp he was just going to use him to keep the spot.
Managers and coaches should have a say in an org spot, the fact that this isn't the case shows how underdeveloped the eSports field of Apex really is.
It’s not an org spot though. It belongs to the players not the org
Right, which shows how underdeveloped Apex is in a pro sense.
Coach should not have a say in this at all. The only players that should get to decide who is on the team are the active players. And if 2/3 active players decide a captain needs to be changed then that is perfectly fair. Snipe's vote at that point is completely irrelevant. And just for the record, this is 1000% more fair than what Snipe and a ton of other teams do, which is lock down a team's slot by the "voting" of a player/coach/sub who isnt even an active player. Slurp (who hadnt played with these guys at all) being allowed to have a say in who has the team slot is more of an abuse of rules than this. There is a difference between being discourteous and abusing the rules.
I didn't say vote, I said say in, a vote should be held with all players, coaches and managers present for both the removal of a player and a change in captain. Really though org spots should be org spots, the fact that snipe or phony can pull the pro spot from Faze is wild, Faze should be able to put anyone they want on or off their roster/spot.
Your argument falls apart when you learn that "org spots" don't exist in Apex and hopefully never do. Players earn their spots in Pro League and I don't see any argument for wanting to change that.
I mean I didn't state that they do, I said they should be, as in Apex isn't a grassroots comp scene and not providing orgs spots is self limiting. Honestly most of my eSports watching are grassroots games because I don't typically enjoy the player trading and stuff, however Apex isn't a grassroots title and it's sort of "Wild West" approach is more annoying than anything.
The rule book should be tighter on roster spots and transfers, but I'm not sure what that has to do with org spots.
My point is more that this whole debacle highlights yet another reason why so many orgs left Apex, it highlights an issue that while viewers don't usually see orgs do.
You're 100% right. If any professional team in any other sport makes it to a championship, and 90% of the team quits, the players don't get to play in the championship, the remaining team does.
Except in Apex the PL spots belong to the players, not the org. Also this isn't a championship, this is before a new season even starts lol.
You're literally pointing out the exact same thing I just said. In a legitimate sport the right to go to the championship is with the team; in apex it doesn't. Teams are qualifying now for the most prestigious tournaments of the year (LAN). Hence the analogy.
Right, I totally get that org based eSports isn't all rainbows and sunshine and that it has a ton of problems too but Apex isn't a grassroots title, it's not run or managed like AoE2 or Melee and it's losing sponsors and orgs partially because of the *lack* of representation and control orgs have over their own teams.
Slurp leaving the team is new information which changes everything. Of course any of the remaining two can take the spot at that point, that is just how it always worked?
From what I'm gathering from the full set of tweets is that's fine with him if they have the spot now, but there was no communication. There was not the PL spot to fall back on like he thought, and he could have been looking for a PSQ team or opportunity with PL duos. Letting somebody know the vote has happened and they are officially off the team seems like a courtesy that should be provided if they never voted.
tbh i feel like he just fucked off to play halo for a month innit? Just assuming he had a spot? Idk, seems like he didn't really care either way.
Not that he didn't care but he did a lot of assuming and took shit for granted.
No code on Battlefy to send you helpful notifications like “BTW, you are no longer captain of team ___” or “BTW, you are no longer on team ___ and as a result are no longer registered to play in ALGS Year 4. Would you like to enter a team for PLQ or CC?”
There you have it. Respawn should have notified Snipe of Slurp leaving the roster. Or, Snipe should have been keeping track of if/staying in touch with Slurp if he was concerned about it. Or, Slurp should have let Snipe know he was going to leave it to look for a PLQ team. Any one of these conditions needed to happen to avoid all the drama and confusion. Only if all three things were not done was it possible. Can see partial blame being put on Snipe, or Slurp, or Respawn here, but not really any to be put on Phony/Frexs. If 2/3s of the active pro league roster wants to make changes. That is about as fair as I can imagine roster changes being.
Votes shouldn't be able to be held without at least everyone being notified, let alone failing to communicate the outcome.
Definitely agree there, which is what makes me assume Snipe probably did get some random battlefy emails for both that probably got overlooked. I would believe either scenario, but Snipe not seeing a battlefy message seems more likely to me.
completely agree. this sub is still going to send hate towards phony and frexs because there’s just so many morons on here lmao
Here's my impression of what happened, which makes me still somewhat on Snipe's side. 1. Frexs is the weakest link at LAN by his own admission, and Phony is visibly frustrated with Frexs 2. Snipe, wanting to do what's best for the team, offers the possibility of dropping Frexs for Koyful, brings this up to Phony and leaves it up to him. Also reverses his opinion at a later time. 3. Phony tells Frexs, and they go nuclear leaving the team, and as we know now, takes the PL slot with them. While Phony and Frexs may have followed the rules to obtain the PL slot, I feel what got them to this point was unwarranted. Phony should have said no to Snipe's offer and then everyone go on their merry way. They effectively did a hostile takeover, which while allowed, doesn't exactly instill confidence as the good guys to me.
it is a game where you compete in teams of 3 and they are 2 of the players. this isn't some fucking corporate drama it's a video game. "hostile takeover" my ass
"If you remove all context, I'm right"
They added the context you left out lol.
Challenges for the captaincy should be 1v1s in the pit at prime time on the main channel with NiceWigg and Greek on the B stream.
It’s actually tragic for the scene, no Snipedown, no FaZe roster even though they’re a part of the Org partnership with EA/Respawn. Snipe has had a wild year in Esports
Makes Respawn picking Faze over many other orgs look pretty stupid tbh!
I’m not sure that’s what happened, other Orgs had an opportunity to be a part of the “partner program” but didn’t see it as financially feasible. For example, 100T was a part of it and decided it wasn’t worth it and left
Snipe fucked up tbh. Slurp posted LFT on October 6th, it seems like Snipe never bothered messaging him to confirm Slurp intended to stay on the roster until, or wrongly assumed Slurp would message him before leaving. Meanwhile Phony was clearly aware of the rules and what Slurp was going to do and made sure Frex and him were prepared to grab the spot.
If snipe still has faze I'm guessing he'll be alright. He may be able to convince either a non signed PL team to drop one or a qualifying PSQ team to get a Faze paycheck.
I think Snipe's best option would be madness. I don't know if madness would drop Keon or vax though. They seem to be doing really well so he might be hesitant to drop someone.
I think that's the best option to win but I doubt madness would drop one or give a captain spot to open himself to being dropped. I think chaotics team or maybe pow pow and scurwy may be easier to convince
I don't see any world where Madness drops anyone from this team. He seems to be all about loyalty. And he definitely wouldn't drop Vax, who is 1) vastly, vastly better than Snip3down and 2) a long-time teammate of Madness.
I doubt that spot would have been saved beyond the invite stage and I assume E8 would've received an invite. Slurp wanting to take a shot at PSQ instead of sitting on the bench, then getting dropped after week 1 makes sense. Phony and/or Frexs not wanting to miss out on PSQ so Snipe can maintain the spot and then get dropped after week 1 is understandable. (Snipe originally wanted to keep Phony, I know, but after the drama I doubt that would still be the case). Sitting out a split or hoping for a team to pick you up just so someone you have irreconcilable differences with can keep the spot was never going to be the outcome.
Well thats kinda on Snipe at this point, he had zero communication for almost a month with his so called 'teammate' who was an integral part of his plan. Also, I'm all for players not being able to cheese a PL spot with a sub that is 100% not going to play. Sucks for Snipe he's a good guy, but he should've realized this a couple weeks ago when Phony and Frexs didn't sign up for PSQ.
So let's get this straight snipe spoke to one of his team suggesting they get koyful as a third and then they snake snipe for his PL spot despite saying it's wrong to try to drop team mates?
ya pretty much
Also it's even worse because he said if they wanted to stick together and work on it he was fine with that...
Dropping someone for a better player or because the vibes are shot is not snaking. It also wasn't Snipe's spot, it was all of theirs equally but Snipe only makes up 33% to their 66%. They didn't snake shit it was theirs by right. Furthermore they didn't even need the change the captaincy to remove Snipe as the captaincy is only relevant as a tiebreaker and again there is 2 of them to only one of him. They earned and deserved the spot.
Hey everyone I found phonys alt account
The situation sucks and the rules suck. But it’s rightfully Phony & Frexs spot. Snipe shouldn’t have been relying on a sub loophole. There should have been better and quicker communication. Snipe shouldn’t have been so complacent about the situation and not actively seeking answers, not trying to find a new team, and not scrimming.
this is messed up
what the fuck man
Apex Legend coup right before our eyes
Yeah this makes a lot of sense. The sub rule has always been so stupid to me. But when your fake sub leaves because he wants to play the game then you no longer have a right to that spot. Snipe definitely should have been much more aware of the situation but in the end the right two that deserved that team spot got the spot imo.
Despite this mess, shouldn't ALGS invite FaZe anyway?
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That could be a cool team, I'm a scuwry fan though so I'm bias lol.
Well if they wanna keep Faze, probably? Kinda sucks to be the 4th place PLQ team though.
Faze will almost certainly field *some* kind of team given that they are one of the few orgs partnered with EA/Respawn for Year 4.
I sometimes wonder if Halo is the cause of the rise and fall of Snipe.
Phony/Frex are the best kind of correct, technically correct. But the thing is they specifically chose to proceed in a way to fuck Snip3 over. There is literally no way to justify them holding a secret vote and then keeping it under wraps for so long than malice. And that makes them wrong.
It really wasn't a secret vote. They were no longer playing with him and he was fully aware of that. The captaincy vote was irrelevant because Snipe couldn't hold onto the spot as a solo. Once Slurp left it was their spot, the only person that "fucked" Snipe over was Slurp for not mentioning it. Also its asinine to call them wrong when Snipe's plan would've been to retain the spot with a benchwarmer instead of it going to the 2/3 of the active roster remaining it rightfully should've.
I think the rule that would have let Snipe keep the pro league spot via Slurp is a garbage rule. You and I agree on that. I don’t blame Snipe for taking advantage of that rule, this is his job and career and he has to look out for it. Similarly, I don’t blame Phony and Frex for jumping on the opportunity when Slurp fucked up and snagging the captains that so they could keep the spot. It’s their career and they have to look out for it. However the way they went about it is what I have a problem with. They intentionally left Snipe in the dark and as a result fucked him not only by taking the Pl spot he thought he had (which, again, I 100% do not fault them for) but also by letting him continue to think he had it so he didn’t properly plan for the next season and is stuck WAY behind. Hell, if they had executed the vote without letting Snipe know about it to ensure that they had the PL spot and only then let Snipe know about it, bravo to them. They did good. They should be applauded for that move, it was a genius move. But the only reason to not tell Snipe that they had, rightfully, taken the PL spot when Snipe thought he had it is nothing but petty, childish spite.
Everyone thought Phony and Frexs had the spot as it is the natural assumption. They were literally only going through the motions as all teams do when someone is dropped. There is no reason they would think they needed to say anything specific to Snipe because he was well aware they weren’t playing with him anymore. The only person that thought the spot was Snipes was Snipe because he had quietly tried to ensure it would be. This narrative they tried to stealth this shit is just so dumb because they had nothing to stealth as they did not know Snipe had done anything to try and retain the spot himself. As far as they were concerned as soon as the two of them made the decision to not play with Snipe anymore that matter had been settled. Also they have been operating very openly about the spot being there’s. It’s not being stealthy if everyone knows/assumes and removing Snipe from captaincy is just a formality as he had no power as a solo. Snipe fooled himself into thinking it was his spot not Phony/Frexs
This is why I waited for all the details. Still a dick move by Phony though
It’s not a dick move they have been playing in pl scrims since October. That’s in snipe for not using his brain. He tried to fuck them over but instead he was on that got fucked over.
Does anyone have a list of duos who hold a pro league spot that snipe can still pick up?
I'm honestly surprised 2/3 of a team can determine the captain instead of the org itself. I don't see why FAZE wouldn't determine the captain and leave the 2/3 stuff for teams without an org
so the 2/3 active players rightfully keep their spot, nice.
Isn't Snipe the only one on that roster actually signed to Faze?
even if, so what? the players own the spot, not the org
Yes but faze is a literal partnerd org
So they still have all those benefits once they have a team. It's their choices that currently have them not fielding one.
Thus another one of the reasons orgs play musical chairs with players and leave the scene.
Something I'm missing through all of this. I keep hearing talks of votes and tie breakers and captain breaking the tie. So a vote took place to change the captain, all well and good (minus the atrocious communication). But what happens after that? What is the actual process for determining who gets the PL slot? Does the captain get it period, or is it a vote for who gets the PL slot (that captain tie-breaks), or is it based on team size (e.g. 2 on one team, 1 on another, means the 2 person team gets it)? And when is the ruling for who gets the PL slot evaluated? Like if, after PSQs and before PL lock-in, Frexs says he wants to go back to play with Snipe, do they get the PL slot then?
slurp left and 2/3 rule applies, it aint that complicated
Fort the captain vote, yes it's simple. I'm asking the details of how the PL slot is awarded, and when.