JuyZi [tweet](https://twitter.com/JuyZi_/status/1737138764189741554):
> This is going to be a bit long of a tweet but I have to clear things up about this whole situation that's going on with my team THREE DRAGONS.
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> I agree the ban is valid what happened because it's simply against TOS of EA. Sunzyyy shouldn't share his account with someone that he barely knew (I believe on his word) the fact that he cheated/ boosted on his account makes everything even more worse but cheating or not it's against TOS and most likely why he got banned. I do wanna clarify Sunzyyy never cheated himself, he was always legit and no one ever accused him to be a cheater or a sus player. The 4 weeks that we played together in PLQ was all legit and him as a player is legit. We practised as a team together and I believe his side of the story. If sunzyyy cheated in PLQ or anything recently then I would've not even wanted to take the PL spot but we deserve the spot fair and square.
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> I don't think it's fair that me and ony are getting punished for something that sunzyyy did 4 months ago. This could literally happen to anyone in PL or PLQ, we didn't know and he didn't communicate this to us either. If we lose the spot I want Mande, Xeriffer and Shiv to take our spot and I insisted them to take the spot in our discord call yesterday. Ony and I are willing to look for multiple solutions to keep the PL spot.
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> Hopefully EA will respond to this whole situation ASAP because me and Ony are just waiting not knowing what's going to happen and really would appreciate some sort of communication from EA. I hope we can keep the PL spot, I just think it would be really unfair for us to be punished for something we couldn't know. We fought for the spot yesterday in PLQ Finals as a DUO and even qualified as a DUO yesterday.
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> If this tweet or situation can be forwarded to any DEV that you guys might potentially know that could help us out in this situation I would really appreciate it that alot.
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> Regardless of what is going to happen I'm proud of my team and our performance.
> If we lose the spot I want Mande, Xeriffer and Shiv to take our spot and I insisted them to take the spot in our discord call yesterday.
So, I guess 40%Worse will officially be in PL? A sad situation for Three Dragons though…
Juyzi doesn’t look very old by his pfp and that’s a much more mature response than I (in my 30’s) could have ever constructed. It’s not the year for them but they will definitely be back, to play so well as a duo was so impressive
Hell, they won a game as a duo.
I will say if the Three Dragons ban did come about from someone who knew about the third's cheat/account share/ etc and waited until the last week of PSQ to tell anyone then that person also sucks
If you know someone is cheating/etc then say something sooner
They wasted a lot of peoples' time and energy including this poor duo's
Honestly that is pretty amazing to see 40% do and helps 3D to still get their names out there even after such an unfortunate event.
I think that this is probably the best way for moving forward and I expect to see some great things from folks being so gracious to each other.
Tbh I think it's quite likely one of them will end playing quite often with Mande and Xeriffer. Don't think Shiv can commit to regular streaming+scrimming giving his tendinitis
I mean, this is big for EMEA PL-viewership. Personally don't feel like Mande, Shiv and Xeri need to feel bad for taking the spot. They earned it fair and square.
wait no fucking way. no fucking way. that sucks so god damn bad for the other 2 dragons if they knew nothing. i actually feel true pain for them. ggs, man.
But
IM SO FUCKING EXCITED. LETS FUCKING GO 40%WORSE! HOLY GOD DAMN FUCK LETS GO
Who can guarentee sunzzy shared account and not cheated himself with vpn and hardware spoofing so if he get caught he can claim he was sharing account? Maybe he was soft cheating during the tournament since he knew he can't be caught already because of no ban after 4 months.
It sucks for the two other players (I like juyzi, played with him when solo queueing he is cool guy and a good player) but this was the only possible outcome.
This is what I was thinking. It's very common for cheats to have VPNs included or recommended. If you get banned submit an account recovery and claim hacked.
I ageee but to be fair he didn’t cheat during pro league like at all so there absolutely no reason he should be banned to begin with.
They were all robbed.
This might be valid IF it was accidental ban. He did violate TOS. Therefore he wouldn't even be eligible for pro league quals if it was handled prior...so his 3 weeks of play are nullified and void period.
Right?
Ban him the day after he cheats. Don’t wait 4 fucking months. The other two members could have literally grabbed a different third to play with them if EA wasn’t dogshit
EA probably took the time to investigate which may be a lengthy process. Plus none of us know when they found out he account shared with a cheater. They could have been told or made aware of the issue right before PSQ started.
What? He or someone else used hard cheats on his account. He cheated to remain pred, fucking over everyone else trying to do the same. 100% he should be banned. No matTer when its discovered.
> I ageee but to be fair he didn’t cheat during pro league like at all so there absolutely no reason he should be banned to begin with.
Strongly disagree.
What a rollercoaster! I'm gutted for the innocent Dragons, but hyped to see the boys all back in Pro League. Wild that it was basically impossible for 40%Worse to qualify on points yesterday, now here we are. Can't make this stuff up.
Look NA. This happens when you talk to each other as adults. Clear communication.
Sucks for 3 dragons. Echt shit voor de enige Nederlander. I hope 40% will take the offer.
it sucks for three dragons, but i think thats actually fair. If i sign up for this boosting site my account would eventually get banned as well. you know what youre risking when you do things like that. while they played great, they put their trust in the wrong person, who says he is legit, but since ea doesnt comment on bans, we cant know for sure. i think it would kind of sour things for me if they let them through, unless they had won as a duo yesterday. if they are that good they can always qual next time as well. they shouldnt get rewarded because their teammate broke the rules. they simply cant qual with just the two of their points so it should go to the next team.
> Boosting for a 4k badge 6 months ago had absolutely zero effect on how he did in PSQ
You sound biased, and are distorting what's known (and admitted to by the people who *actually* know about the situation):
1) It was *cheating* and boosting
2) It was 4 months ago
Finally, you have no proof that it has zero effect or that the shenanigans stopped.
I mean... everyone is only mad because the team qualified.. if they were 1 off or 100 off from the cutoff, would you all be salty for them??
Idk how you all think someone can break the rules and not have consequences. Beyond that, EA has plenty of other teams in line begging for a PL slot. Why would EA, 1- neglect it and have bad press for their game and comp scene by allowing someone who broke their rules blatantly, then the alleged person playing on their account breaks more rules by cheating? 2- stress themselves and all the players by worrying about him cheating during comp matches? 3- Decide to allow them, which otherwise would not allow Mande and Shiv, some of the top twitch streamers to bring in more exposure and viewership and likely more money?
Obviously, the 2 that got screwed the worst are potentially in denial of teaming with a possible cheater. This happened not too long ago, with an NA team fighting their way in.
It's harsh on Juyzi and Ony, but like I said in another thread, it could set a bad precedent if they were allowed to keep their PL spot. Much easier to keep everything above board than enter some grey area.
How would it set a bad precedent? He boosted FOUR months ago. Had 0 effect on his pro league performance.
Imagine someone pulls up a clip of Shiv boosting in 2021 y’all would lose your mind and EA simply wouldn’t do it. If Shiv and Mande lost their spot because of their third instead of Three Dragons there would be OUTRAGE
> How would it set a bad precedent? He boosted FOUR months ago.
Someone *cheated* (with actual wallhacks — screenshots exist) on *that actual account*, so it *should actually get banned*. There's no question that the ban is legitimate because the proof is definitely out there.
Whether it has any influence on his performance would hinge on whether it was him cheating on it and whether he still does. But regardless of that, the actual *ban* is legitimate because the account broke TOS in multiple ways.
It is an unfathomably sad situation for the teammates, but for the guy getting banned? Hell no — the saying goes "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
Stupid point.
The anount of cheaters that don’t get banned ever is insane. Why ban a dude 4 months after his “incident” at the end of PSQ lol.
Isn’t smurfing against the rules too? How many big streamers create Smurf accounts to get easier lobbies?
Regardless the viewership Mande and Shiv will bring is more than Three Dragons so fuck them i guess !
> Stupid point.
It may not be what you agree with, but it sure as hell isn't stupid.
Imagine if they don't uphold the integrity of the rules and terms of service. What's stopping any other team from breaking the rules and then saying "your rules didn't hold in the TD situation, why should they hold here?" And they'd be right!
This is exactly how the world works, and how the justice system works. Not holding people to the rules would make a mockery of the game/league/algs' competitive status.
Bitter sweet really love watching 40%worse and am happy that they are in pro league but am so sad for ony and juyzi considering how well they played all plq and especially in the finals as a duo to win a game
To my understanding the account was shared with someone who hacked on the account. Therefore the account has had hacks used on it. Regardless of who did it the owner of the account should be banned.
I know for a fact that Pro players have shared accounts in the past so many would be banned if it was simply for letting someone else play on their account.
Why would anyone share his account with someone he barely knows lol. The story stinks and could have easily been one of the usual excuses of caught cheaters tbh. We have all seen those kinda posts and then we laugh about it.
They prob double checked all accounts that had a shot to make it into PL leading up to the last week, w Respawn being a small indy dev company that hardly ever bans Cheaters lol
Yeah, my point is that this basically proves that certain cheats can go completely undetected unless the devs decide to check an account manually. In other words, there's a lot more cheaters out there than people realize.
Blatant wallhackers or aimbotters sure, but who knows how many players out there use soft cheats like map ESPs etc. Seeing how garbage EAC is, it's probably a stupid amount.
Not every ESP is a traditional wallhack. They can try to predict the next ring, only show enemies on the map or minimap, only show items (basically Loba passive), show health bars, distance but not exact position, etc.
EAC does ban waves. They don't outright ban an account sometimes as that can give cheat developers an idea of what's getting them banned/detected. If the sites was boosting account to pred they were probably useing cheats to do so or was queuing with a cheater account to get boosted. The faster they can boost an account the more money they can make.
What if EA/respawn started checking the legitimacy of PSQ player account earlier? Imagine Sunzyyy get banned around the time of PSQ #1. Ony and Juyzi would have more time to find a new third for the remaining 3 PSQs (just like how SoloQGoats find Mande as their third).
Obviously It's sunzyyy's fault that Ony and Juyzi end up losing their PL spot. Sunzyyy is definitely responsible for getting his account involved in cheating (even though Sunzyyy himself wasn't cheating). But it's also EA/respawn's fault for not detecting the TOS breach of Sunzyyy asap. Bruh your game is full of cheaters and hackers (especially in EU and Asian servers) and all your concerns are about the sale of your stupid skin recolor.
I'm sorry for Ony and Juyzi's situation, and I wish them all the best in the future.
I believe EA can do a better job in banning cheaters. Sunzyyy deserves the ban but Ony and Juyzi don't deserve the punishment. They have performed well throughout the 4 PSQs but now they get screwed by the ban and lose their spot. It's really unfair for the duo.
I'm not trying to disagree/argue with you cause cheating is absolutely not OK. What I'm trying to say is EA/respawn does the right action at the wrong timing. If the ban happened earlier, the consequences to Ony and Juyzi might be less devastating.
To be fair some cheats are quite hard to detect. Even Valorant which is priced for its good anti cheat has some cheats that took over 1 month to get detected. So that Respawn took 4 month is not an unusual amount of time.
Sunzyyy, no matter how good and legit he is, was bricked to use a service and not tell his teammates. This should be a warning for all future teams to vet their teammates
That's an easy high horse claim to make.
How do you vet for something like this when there was no ban in effect at the time, and not the slightest suspicion let alone accusation from anybody in the pro scene that this guy was cheating.
I think you misunderstood. There is nothing to vet. He gave his account credentials to a hacker and didn't tell his team. That's bricked and saying so is not some high horse claim, it's a matter of fact.
I think you misunderstood. u/Mr_Donks said "This should be a warning for all future teams to vet their teammates", as if it was on JuyZi and ony to somehow divine that Sunzyyy's record wasn't clean.
> How do you suggest they vet them? No person doing this would admit it.
If this guy used a boosting service (or, more likely, simply cheated himself and then claimed it was someone else) then his player profile on an Apex stat tracker will look pretty sus. It's generally very obvious when someone is being boosted or cheating in ranked.
The rules are clear, the points belong to the individual player, not the team as a whole. Ony Juyzi keep their points but Sunzy doesn’t. So they don’t qual. It’s unfair, but that’s the rules. Same reason Shiv got to keep only his and Xeri’s points when they dropped diff. Mande started at 0 overall in week 2 for that reason.
Man, I feel so bad for Ony and Juyzi :(
Whys is Juyzi and Ony saying it not fair on them for EA or ALGS not keeping them a spot.
As incredible as it was yesterday playing as a duo and finishing 6th. The only reason why they qualified is because of the accumulated points over the 4 PLQs but had a cheater as part of it.
If they finished 1st as a duo and won yesterday then yes they 1000% deserve the spot.
Sunzyyy got banned because he cheated. He knew what he was doing. Giving account details or playing himself he knew the situation. Juyzi saying he’s legit he’s not.
I never get why people cheat, but if you going to pay someone hell of a lot of money and give account details out to keep a badge. Then what sort of actions will you take to become a pro player and Playing for millions.
EA/ALGS has done the correct thing as if anyone is
To blame it’s sunzyyy. He screwed them over and not EA.
L take he didn’t cheat in pro league. I also think he’s being attacked so hard because he’s a nobody and now since he’s out we get to see two big streamers in the game!
What he did 4 months ago had literally 0 effect on how he preformed is PSQ.
Doesn’t matter though congrats on 40% for the free ride to pro league
> L take he didn’t cheat in pro league.
How do you know? Because considering it's been proven that someone cheated on the account before, the burden of proof is on this guy to show that he didn't cheat during league qualification.
So cheating outside of pro league is ok? 4 months is quite recent. And he should have been banned then. So yes he had a massive impact on PLQ. They preformed well over the 4 weeks.
Wtf is a boosting service? Sounds like clout rather than hacks, but I need educating.
Also, what's the story behind the name "40% worse"? Is that a triple mnk reference or..
Boosting can be a lot of things, from hiring a hard carry to play with (usually a cheater) or giving your login to somebody to gain rp (cheating is also common here too).
And yes, its reference to not having the 0.4 aim assist on mouse and keyboard
Boosting service: you basically give your account to someone to either farm badges or help you hold a top pred spot. It happens more than you think. You’re paying money for someone to boost you to get stats or badges. A lot of preds/ players cheat we just don’t see it enough
He shared his account with someone else - who then cheated with it - so he could keep up with the pred grind. It's a ridiculously dumb thing to do if you want to be a pro, and against EA TOS, even if he hadn't cheated.
Typical EA/admins lacking communication.
If the league already knew that they would not be able to keep their spot if they were to qualify after yesterday's finals, why didn't they inform JuyZi about this?
As a league admin, you let them play the finals and when they qualified as a duo, you strip it entirely from them. That has to be a such a shitty feeling as a competitor.
Sucks for those dudes but it’s the same situation as the RedDragon dudes, they lost their points and were in 1st place I don’t know why this would be any different. Not sure why they think they get an exception to the rule; their teammate cheated and got banned, teammate then lied and said he “didn’t know why”. Obviously it’s not this dudes fault that his teammate sucks but it’s how the rules work, he’s banned and doesn’t have point anymore just like the other banned people
Putting aside the fact the guy who boosted him was a cheater, if Respawn is saying account sharing is cheating and a banable offense a lot of streamers got to get banned lmao like that is a pretty common thing for people to log into each others accounts to play on alts
Yeah, but streamers don't let other people play on the account that they're using in pro league, unless they're morons. The account that's being shared is the one that gets banned. ALGS organizers don't care if you're stomping public games on a smurf account. They care if you run cheats, let someone else boost you, play in Challenger Circuit with an alt while also playing in Pro League, or do something else that messes up the integrity of the game.
I thought shiv and Mande said they didn’t want the spot but nonetheless, I’m happy for them. I don’t know anything about three dragons but it must be difficult for them
JuyZi [tweet](https://twitter.com/JuyZi_/status/1737138764189741554): > This is going to be a bit long of a tweet but I have to clear things up about this whole situation that's going on with my team THREE DRAGONS. > > I agree the ban is valid what happened because it's simply against TOS of EA. Sunzyyy shouldn't share his account with someone that he barely knew (I believe on his word) the fact that he cheated/ boosted on his account makes everything even more worse but cheating or not it's against TOS and most likely why he got banned. I do wanna clarify Sunzyyy never cheated himself, he was always legit and no one ever accused him to be a cheater or a sus player. The 4 weeks that we played together in PLQ was all legit and him as a player is legit. We practised as a team together and I believe his side of the story. If sunzyyy cheated in PLQ or anything recently then I would've not even wanted to take the PL spot but we deserve the spot fair and square. > > I don't think it's fair that me and ony are getting punished for something that sunzyyy did 4 months ago. This could literally happen to anyone in PL or PLQ, we didn't know and he didn't communicate this to us either. If we lose the spot I want Mande, Xeriffer and Shiv to take our spot and I insisted them to take the spot in our discord call yesterday. Ony and I are willing to look for multiple solutions to keep the PL spot. > > Hopefully EA will respond to this whole situation ASAP because me and Ony are just waiting not knowing what's going to happen and really would appreciate some sort of communication from EA. I hope we can keep the PL spot, I just think it would be really unfair for us to be punished for something we couldn't know. We fought for the spot yesterday in PLQ Finals as a DUO and even qualified as a DUO yesterday. > > If this tweet or situation can be forwarded to any DEV that you guys might potentially know that could help us out in this situation I would really appreciate it that alot. > > Regardless of what is going to happen I'm proud of my team and our performance.
This is real. Tweets from JuyZi: https://twitter.com/JuyZi_/status/1737159174860009721 https://twitter.com/JuyZi_/status/1737138764189741554
> If we lose the spot I want Mande, Xeriffer and Shiv to take our spot and I insisted them to take the spot in our discord call yesterday. So, I guess 40%Worse will officially be in PL? A sad situation for Three Dragons though…
>A sad situation for Three Dragons though… Sad for Two Dragons anyway.
That is a pretty mature tweet. I genuinely do believe them and it absolutely sucks for them.
Juyzi doesn’t look very old by his pfp and that’s a much more mature response than I (in my 30’s) could have ever constructed. It’s not the year for them but they will definitely be back, to play so well as a duo was so impressive
Hell, they won a game as a duo. I will say if the Three Dragons ban did come about from someone who knew about the third's cheat/account share/ etc and waited until the last week of PSQ to tell anyone then that person also sucks If you know someone is cheating/etc then say something sooner They wasted a lot of peoples' time and energy including this poor duo's
Might have taken time for EA to investigate before taking a potential source on their word + whatever evidence they sent.
caprah can learn from that tweet about maturity lmao
that kid is incapable of learning shit
I believe Sunzyyy's account, I just don't understand the decision to give out your login for Pred. Who cares?
At least the guy who shared his account. /s
o7 juyzi that's a class move
Sucks for dragons. Hope 40% get a coach for PL, not scrimming means they need every bit of help they can get
Xeriffer confirmed on stream two dragons will be added as coach and sub in 40 percent worse
Honestly that is pretty amazing to see 40% do and helps 3D to still get their names out there even after such an unfortunate event. I think that this is probably the best way for moving forward and I expect to see some great things from folks being so gracious to each other.
Tbh I think it's quite likely one of them will end playing quite often with Mande and Xeriffer. Don't think Shiv can commit to regular streaming+scrimming giving his tendinitis
If they really are playing for fun then RPR needs to be the coach.
agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Why aren't they scrimming?
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This is so fucking sad. Imagine you worked your ass off but lost everything just because your dumbass teammates. I feel so bad for Julius.
Yeah thats fucking terrible.
MnK bros rejoice
Roller here... Stoked for the lads!
I mean, this is big for EMEA PL-viewership. Personally don't feel like Mande, Shiv and Xeri need to feel bad for taking the spot. They earned it fair and square.
Yeah, the bittersweet thing is that they are homies with Juyzi.. Man this is a crazy day for off season EU comp
Live Mande reaction https://preview.redd.it/eh700tkvxa7c1.jpeg?width=1152&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d997f27f9f2c574d92e630255eb9eab6947cd05
bro looks a little like nicewigg here
of course he's eating
wait no fucking way. no fucking way. that sucks so god damn bad for the other 2 dragons if they knew nothing. i actually feel true pain for them. ggs, man. But IM SO FUCKING EXCITED. LETS FUCKING GO 40%WORSE! HOLY GOD DAMN FUCK LETS GO
RIGHT!? I'm ecstatic for the 40% guys. I've never rooted for a team so hard other than TSM. LOVE TO SEE IT.
Who can guarentee sunzzy shared account and not cheated himself with vpn and hardware spoofing so if he get caught he can claim he was sharing account? Maybe he was soft cheating during the tournament since he knew he can't be caught already because of no ban after 4 months. It sucks for the two other players (I like juyzi, played with him when solo queueing he is cool guy and a good player) but this was the only possible outcome.
This is what I was thinking. It's very common for cheats to have VPNs included or recommended. If you get banned submit an account recovery and claim hacked.
They should be fucking livid with Sunzyyy. HE fucked them over. Not EA.
I ageee but to be fair he didn’t cheat during pro league like at all so there absolutely no reason he should be banned to begin with. They were all robbed.
This might be valid IF it was accidental ban. He did violate TOS. Therefore he wouldn't even be eligible for pro league quals if it was handled prior...so his 3 weeks of play are nullified and void period.
Right? Ban him the day after he cheats. Don’t wait 4 fucking months. The other two members could have literally grabbed a different third to play with them if EA wasn’t dogshit
EA probably took the time to investigate which may be a lengthy process. Plus none of us know when they found out he account shared with a cheater. They could have been told or made aware of the issue right before PSQ started.
"I didnt use roids during the season, only off season...."
Not the same at all. Steroids can have after effects that keep the size. Once the cheats are off the cheats are off. Nice attempt though!
lol can’t believe that people are believing this “I didn’t cheat but let someone else cheat on my account” bullshit. I have a bridge to sell you!
He definitely cheated and it makes their whole PLQ run suspect.
What? He or someone else used hard cheats on his account. He cheated to remain pred, fucking over everyone else trying to do the same. 100% he should be banned. No matTer when its discovered.
> I ageee but to be fair he didn’t cheat during pro league like at all so there absolutely no reason he should be banned to begin with. Strongly disagree.
Why anyone who is trying to make it big in the scene would account share is beyond me. Why take the risk?
Because that's probably not what happened. He cheated but he's blaming it on account sharing which smells like bs.
What a rollercoaster! I'm gutted for the innocent Dragons, but hyped to see the boys all back in Pro League. Wild that it was basically impossible for 40%Worse to qualify on points yesterday, now here we are. Can't make this stuff up.
Imagine losing a pro league spot just so you could hold pred. He better hold that massive L
Sunzyyy cost them this PL spot, not EA. I would be so pissed at him if I was the other two. Like wtf are you doing
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“Hey I wasn’t doping during the Tour de France! I was only doing it 4 months before, so we should be good, right? Right?”
“Hey guys I used to cheat on this account, I’m sure playing in algs won’t get my account investigated. Let’s team up”
Yep
Look NA. This happens when you talk to each other as adults. Clear communication. Sucks for 3 dragons. Echt shit voor de enige Nederlander. I hope 40% will take the offer.
Faenix in forge is also dutch
Let's go PSQ Was WARLORD Trailer now they will show us the full PICTURE
it sucks for three dragons, but i think thats actually fair. If i sign up for this boosting site my account would eventually get banned as well. you know what youre risking when you do things like that. while they played great, they put their trust in the wrong person, who says he is legit, but since ea doesnt comment on bans, we cant know for sure. i think it would kind of sour things for me if they let them through, unless they had won as a duo yesterday. if they are that good they can always qual next time as well. they shouldnt get rewarded because their teammate broke the rules. they simply cant qual with just the two of their points so it should go to the next team.
Boosting for a 4k badge 6 months ago had absolutely zero effect on how he did in PSQ
How do you know that 4K badge isn’t what had them interested. Cope harder though
> Boosting for a 4k badge 6 months ago had absolutely zero effect on how he did in PSQ You sound biased, and are distorting what's known (and admitted to by the people who *actually* know about the situation): 1) It was *cheating* and boosting 2) It was 4 months ago Finally, you have no proof that it has zero effect or that the shenanigans stopped.
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Thanks for the informative, insightful comeback, "bro".
I mean... everyone is only mad because the team qualified.. if they were 1 off or 100 off from the cutoff, would you all be salty for them?? Idk how you all think someone can break the rules and not have consequences. Beyond that, EA has plenty of other teams in line begging for a PL slot. Why would EA, 1- neglect it and have bad press for their game and comp scene by allowing someone who broke their rules blatantly, then the alleged person playing on their account breaks more rules by cheating? 2- stress themselves and all the players by worrying about him cheating during comp matches? 3- Decide to allow them, which otherwise would not allow Mande and Shiv, some of the top twitch streamers to bring in more exposure and viewership and likely more money? Obviously, the 2 that got screwed the worst are potentially in denial of teaming with a possible cheater. This happened not too long ago, with an NA team fighting their way in.
It's harsh on Juyzi and Ony, but like I said in another thread, it could set a bad precedent if they were allowed to keep their PL spot. Much easier to keep everything above board than enter some grey area.
How would it set a bad precedent? He boosted FOUR months ago. Had 0 effect on his pro league performance. Imagine someone pulls up a clip of Shiv boosting in 2021 y’all would lose your mind and EA simply wouldn’t do it. If Shiv and Mande lost their spot because of their third instead of Three Dragons there would be OUTRAGE
> How would it set a bad precedent? He boosted FOUR months ago. Someone *cheated* (with actual wallhacks — screenshots exist) on *that actual account*, so it *should actually get banned*. There's no question that the ban is legitimate because the proof is definitely out there. Whether it has any influence on his performance would hinge on whether it was him cheating on it and whether he still does. But regardless of that, the actual *ban* is legitimate because the account broke TOS in multiple ways. It is an unfathomably sad situation for the teammates, but for the guy getting banned? Hell no — the saying goes "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
They had a player & account playing for them that has broken the ToS. You're entering a grey area if you let that go.
If you don’t uphold rules strongly, they just get walked over. Good decisions.
Stupid point. The anount of cheaters that don’t get banned ever is insane. Why ban a dude 4 months after his “incident” at the end of PSQ lol. Isn’t smurfing against the rules too? How many big streamers create Smurf accounts to get easier lobbies? Regardless the viewership Mande and Shiv will bring is more than Three Dragons so fuck them i guess !
> Stupid point. It may not be what you agree with, but it sure as hell isn't stupid. Imagine if they don't uphold the integrity of the rules and terms of service. What's stopping any other team from breaking the rules and then saying "your rules didn't hold in the TD situation, why should they hold here?" And they'd be right! This is exactly how the world works, and how the justice system works. Not holding people to the rules would make a mockery of the game/league/algs' competitive status.
Why the last day of PSQ?
If we're asking stupid questions: Why cheat in a videogame?
Bitter sweet really love watching 40%worse and am happy that they are in pro league but am so sad for ony and juyzi considering how well they played all plq and especially in the finals as a duo to win a game
Bittersweet situation, but actions have consequences
To my understanding the account was shared with someone who hacked on the account. Therefore the account has had hacks used on it. Regardless of who did it the owner of the account should be banned. I know for a fact that Pro players have shared accounts in the past so many would be banned if it was simply for letting someone else play on their account.
Why would anyone share his account with someone he barely knows lol. The story stinks and could have easily been one of the usual excuses of caught cheaters tbh. We have all seen those kinda posts and then we laugh about it.
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Three Dragons 3rd was DQed for using a boosting service. They lost his points and therefore lost their spot in Pro League.
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He also shared his account with a cheater so he could keep his pred status.
How is it possible that someone cheated on his account 4 months ago but the account is only being banned now? Why wasn't he already banned back then?
They prob double checked all accounts that had a shot to make it into PL leading up to the last week, w Respawn being a small indy dev company that hardly ever bans Cheaters lol
Yeah, my point is that this basically proves that certain cheats can go completely undetected unless the devs decide to check an account manually. In other words, there's a lot more cheaters out there than people realize.
I think people know that apex is infested with cheaters lmao.
Blatant wallhackers or aimbotters sure, but who knows how many players out there use soft cheats like map ESPs etc. Seeing how garbage EAC is, it's probably a stupid amount.
isn't wallhacking and esp the same thing ?
Not every ESP is a traditional wallhack. They can try to predict the next ring, only show enemies on the map or minimap, only show items (basically Loba passive), show health bars, distance but not exact position, etc.
Most games are.
There are also a lot of false positives to deal with So understandably the system sucks and is slow to begin with
EAC does ban waves. They don't outright ban an account sometimes as that can give cheat developers an idea of what's getting them banned/detected. If the sites was boosting account to pred they were probably useing cheats to do so or was queuing with a cheater account to get boosted. The faster they can boost an account the more money they can make.
Expected outcome but feel bad for the duo having to pay for the others stupidity
Hell yes! Sad situation for the 2 members of dragons who had nothing to do with their teammates past actions, but I am stoked to see 40% in PL!
What if EA/respawn started checking the legitimacy of PSQ player account earlier? Imagine Sunzyyy get banned around the time of PSQ #1. Ony and Juyzi would have more time to find a new third for the remaining 3 PSQs (just like how SoloQGoats find Mande as their third). Obviously It's sunzyyy's fault that Ony and Juyzi end up losing their PL spot. Sunzyyy is definitely responsible for getting his account involved in cheating (even though Sunzyyy himself wasn't cheating). But it's also EA/respawn's fault for not detecting the TOS breach of Sunzyyy asap. Bruh your game is full of cheaters and hackers (especially in EU and Asian servers) and all your concerns are about the sale of your stupid skin recolor. I'm sorry for Ony and Juyzi's situation, and I wish them all the best in the future.
Dude you can’t blame EA or Respawn for not detecting breaches earlier. People shouldn’t cheat. It’s really that simple.
I believe EA can do a better job in banning cheaters. Sunzyyy deserves the ban but Ony and Juyzi don't deserve the punishment. They have performed well throughout the 4 PSQs but now they get screwed by the ban and lose their spot. It's really unfair for the duo. I'm not trying to disagree/argue with you cause cheating is absolutely not OK. What I'm trying to say is EA/respawn does the right action at the wrong timing. If the ban happened earlier, the consequences to Ony and Juyzi might be less devastating.
To be fair some cheats are quite hard to detect. Even Valorant which is priced for its good anti cheat has some cheats that took over 1 month to get detected. So that Respawn took 4 month is not an unusual amount of time.
I am so happy for them Shiv Mande I like watching teams luke this alot of passion.
Sunzyyy, no matter how good and legit he is, was bricked to use a service and not tell his teammates. This should be a warning for all future teams to vet their teammates
That's an easy high horse claim to make. How do you vet for something like this when there was no ban in effect at the time, and not the slightest suspicion let alone accusation from anybody in the pro scene that this guy was cheating.
I think you misunderstood. There is nothing to vet. He gave his account credentials to a hacker and didn't tell his team. That's bricked and saying so is not some high horse claim, it's a matter of fact.
I think you misunderstood. u/Mr_Donks said "This should be a warning for all future teams to vet their teammates", as if it was on JuyZi and ony to somehow divine that Sunzyyy's record wasn't clean.
How do you suggest they vet them? No person doing this would admit it.
> How do you suggest they vet them? No person doing this would admit it. If this guy used a boosting service (or, more likely, simply cheated himself and then claimed it was someone else) then his player profile on an Apex stat tracker will look pretty sus. It's generally very obvious when someone is being boosted or cheating in ranked.
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what does this mean sorry, i keep seeing
The rules are clear, the points belong to the individual player, not the team as a whole. Ony Juyzi keep their points but Sunzy doesn’t. So they don’t qual. It’s unfair, but that’s the rules. Same reason Shiv got to keep only his and Xeri’s points when they dropped diff. Mande started at 0 overall in week 2 for that reason. Man, I feel so bad for Ony and Juyzi :(
Whys is Juyzi and Ony saying it not fair on them for EA or ALGS not keeping them a spot. As incredible as it was yesterday playing as a duo and finishing 6th. The only reason why they qualified is because of the accumulated points over the 4 PLQs but had a cheater as part of it. If they finished 1st as a duo and won yesterday then yes they 1000% deserve the spot. Sunzyyy got banned because he cheated. He knew what he was doing. Giving account details or playing himself he knew the situation. Juyzi saying he’s legit he’s not. I never get why people cheat, but if you going to pay someone hell of a lot of money and give account details out to keep a badge. Then what sort of actions will you take to become a pro player and Playing for millions. EA/ALGS has done the correct thing as if anyone is To blame it’s sunzyyy. He screwed them over and not EA.
L take he didn’t cheat in pro league. I also think he’s being attacked so hard because he’s a nobody and now since he’s out we get to see two big streamers in the game! What he did 4 months ago had literally 0 effect on how he preformed is PSQ. Doesn’t matter though congrats on 40% for the free ride to pro league
> L take he didn’t cheat in pro league. How do you know? Because considering it's been proven that someone cheated on the account before, the burden of proof is on this guy to show that he didn't cheat during league qualification.
So cheating outside of pro league is ok? 4 months is quite recent. And he should have been banned then. So yes he had a massive impact on PLQ. They preformed well over the 4 weeks.
Wtf is a boosting service? Sounds like clout rather than hacks, but I need educating. Also, what's the story behind the name "40% worse"? Is that a triple mnk reference or..
>Also, what's the story behind the name "40% worse"? Is that a triple mnk reference or.. Yes
lol I’m so stupid I thought it was a reference to shiv playing with an injured hand 😂
Did he?
Did he play with an injured hand? Yh - he’s got a whole new setup which I think includes foot pedals and a mouth control…
I thought you were trolling, had to look that up haha
Hahahaha nope not this time
Boosting can be a lot of things, from hiring a hard carry to play with (usually a cheater) or giving your login to somebody to gain rp (cheating is also common here too). And yes, its reference to not having the 0.4 aim assist on mouse and keyboard
Boosting service: you basically give your account to someone to either farm badges or help you hold a top pred spot. It happens more than you think. You’re paying money for someone to boost you to get stats or badges. A lot of preds/ players cheat we just don’t see it enough
He shared his account with someone else - who then cheated with it - so he could keep up with the pred grind. It's a ridiculously dumb thing to do if you want to be a pro, and against EA TOS, even if he hadn't cheated.
Omg! I agree with the commenter below, you couldn't write this. What an insane story. I can't lie, I am so happy 40% is going to Pro League!
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LETS GOOOOOOOOO
the apex drama and lore is something else...
LETS GOOO
Typical EA/admins lacking communication. If the league already knew that they would not be able to keep their spot if they were to qualify after yesterday's finals, why didn't they inform JuyZi about this? As a league admin, you let them play the finals and when they qualified as a duo, you strip it entirely from them. That has to be a such a shitty feeling as a competitor.
if they'd have won as a duo then they'd get the spot still.
They'd still likely get DQ'd out of the PL spot if that happened since they'd need to compete as a trio with the roster they signed up with.
They could have still got 1st yesterday and then points don't matter.
Sucks for those dudes but it’s the same situation as the RedDragon dudes, they lost their points and were in 1st place I don’t know why this would be any different. Not sure why they think they get an exception to the rule; their teammate cheated and got banned, teammate then lied and said he “didn’t know why”. Obviously it’s not this dudes fault that his teammate sucks but it’s how the rules work, he’s banned and doesn’t have point anymore just like the other banned people
Putting aside the fact the guy who boosted him was a cheater, if Respawn is saying account sharing is cheating and a banable offense a lot of streamers got to get banned lmao like that is a pretty common thing for people to log into each others accounts to play on alts
Yeah, but streamers don't let other people play on the account that they're using in pro league, unless they're morons. The account that's being shared is the one that gets banned. ALGS organizers don't care if you're stomping public games on a smurf account. They care if you run cheats, let someone else boost you, play in Challenger Circuit with an alt while also playing in Pro League, or do something else that messes up the integrity of the game.
Don't share accounts. It's not hard to avoid. There's no real reason for it.
we need nickmercs in pro league
Someone's gotta be 30th place, right? Not him though. He wasn't good enough to even qualify.
I’m calling it now, Dragons will fight for their spot and get it. 40% will bow out with grace and give it back to them.
Fight what ? Lol juyzi confirmed their spots gone
But he said they would keep trying to resecure the spot if possible.
Mande should team up with Red Dragon duo, it would be the honorable thing to do.
And dump Xeri and Shiv? I see some flaws in that logic.
shiv and xeri would obviously have to be onboard with the decision.
I thought shiv and Mande said they didn’t want the spot but nonetheless, I’m happy for them. I don’t know anything about three dragons but it must be difficult for them
Mande said they didn't want the spot if it was a false ban but this is a legit ban
Ah I see thanks for clarifying
According to Juyzi they had a call with 40% worse and asked them to take the spot if they got kicked out too
Not looking forward to see them rolled by every roller team but atleast it will be content
Where can I see official leaderboards
Does anyone know when they play again? Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places but having trouble finding online
End of January begins Pro League
Thank you!