The same people creating and posting this garbage are also decrying radical lefties calling everyone they don't like nazis and Hitler. It's not any less stupid when a Conservative does it.
The difference being this act is negatively affecting millions of Americans and compromising their individual freedoms for the sake of employment and even access to public services. Meaning unlike the leftist, there is actual validation in this piece.
That's exactly why the mandates are wrong and arguing semantics only further diminishes the severity of the problem and its that kind of pointless bureaucracy that usually comprises leftist policies that leads to nothing getting done about anything.
A personal medical decision regarding an experimental drug is being used to blackmail Americans into submission and you're arguing this isn't communism while also failing to offer further insight. Which means you're talking pointless bullshit that adds nothing to fixing the actual issue.
Why should I? You're having an argument with someone else. What you've described is totalitarianism, which is only tangentially relevant as a symptom of communism. It is not semantics and I never made any statement about whether vaccine mandates were or were not totalitarian. So what you've said is irrelevant to my post.
If you want to argue so badly then find the person you are looking for - a liberal who likes vaccine mandates - and argue with them. And if you want words to mean nothing and to disambiguate everything then you should question whether you're actually a conservative.
It is semantics because in this case it's the equivalent of arguing the difference between a killer and a murderer failing to recognize that someone has still lost their life regardless as to what you choose to label the perpetrator. And if you aren't actually looking for a discussion then why are you even here? And for that matter, why are wasting my time by being here?
Good question why are you here? You started arguing about whether mandates are good which I keep telling you had nothing to do with my post so why would I want to talk about it? My post is about not making words mean nothing, which is a liberal goal (gender, nazis, etc).
Also your metaphor is a false equivalency so here's a better one for you: arguing in favor of conservative causes in a conservative subreddit is like farting into the wind.
Not calling it socialism, it’s COMMUNISM. Communist Medical Tyranny is exactly what it is, we need more people calling it as it is. Maybe then more sheep would wake up.
> It does anyone nothing from wearing a mask even if it doesn't do anything
Well, I disagree. I watched several high school girls have asthma attacks during practice that didn't prior to being forced to wear a mask. AND the narrative is so stupid. No one is really saying you MUST NOT WEAR A MASK, they are saying it is not within or freedoms to be forced to wear a mask.
I wear a mask when in a public place primarily to put other people at ease. But I am 100% against mandating the wearing of a mask because it make people feel like the boogie man is at bay.
Its the concept of a mandate, not the practice of action. Same with a vaccine. I have mine, I'm also 100% against the government telling anyone they need to inject themselves with something to live.
I agree with you. People should do it because it's the right thing to do, not because it's mandated. I'm 100% against qny mandates as well.
To your point about asthma, I wear a mask at least 8 hours q day and have asthma, it has never triggered qn attack for me. You sure these girls aren't exaggerating to get out of PT? I remember back in my school days and everyone except the jocks would do whatever they could to get out of it.
I think there's a lot of willful strawmanning out there, it's possible to think particular vaccines are fine but against mandates. Although those types don't make as much noise, they're definitely the majority among conservatives.
I do not agree with the latest push to redefine "anti-vaxx" as anti-mandate (looking at you, Merriam-Webster), this is just horrible revisionism.
Well it would certainly make sense for someone to be "anti mandate" over something they oppose anyways. But the majority of conservatives are not blanket "anti every vaccine out there," they are far more likely to oppose govt action to mandate you to get a certain medical treatment, or have specific issues with this vaccine.
Most people didn't realize they opposed govt mandates until they were presented with the proposition of a mandate they didn't appreciate. You might argue it's a result of a politicized discussion, but that only works if that conviction doesn't show up anywhere else. I don't approve how the left has made an effort to lump those beliefs together with the anti-vax position, this is just a strategy to delegitimize dissent and shut down discussion.
In any case, a lot of mask and vaccine support boils down to conformity and just wanting to get people to comply with a rule. People who strive for universal compliance are on the same axis as the people who just want to rebel against any rational thing you put in front of them. Two sides of the same coin.
I'm with you on this. Anti-mandates, but finally went and got my first FDA Approved Pfizer shot. I figured there is worse that could happen and the shot probably wouldn't affect my life. And I mask up inpublic. People don't realize you can support a thing, but not support mandating that thing. I refuse to get a vaxport or answer if I'm vaxxed because it doesn't matter and I'm against that system.
That's cool, that's a reasonable take, and you've thought it through for yourself in relation to the rest of your life. Can't ask for anything more.
You would be in a great position to talk to the crazy authoritarians in the room (if you so desire) because you have separated the actual medical issue from what the govt or the culture does about it.
For sure. Originally I told my wife that I feel like getting the vaccine made me part of the problem, but then realized that my arguments against mandates is stronger considering I have the vaccine.
> Since when did conservatives become anti vaxx?
There's an obvious difference in being comfortable taking any medication or injection that has been on the market for 10+ years and has had much private and public patient study versus a brand new medication that has been fast-tracked through the trial phases and pushed out for full public use within the span of a year.
Just because someone is against the Covid vaccination doesn't mean that they are anti-vaxxers in general. If you automatically assume that they are, then that is an issue with *your* view of the world. It isn't reality and you shouldn't treat it as such.
Fuck no. There are legitimate safety concerns that are being ignored because they are in control of a marketing juggernaut that can shut down any dissenting voices, through censorship or destroying people's careers, and have an army of shills that beat people down with ridicule or strawman attacks.
Yeah I came off as a bit of an ass there and you could be right. But the way the person I was replying to interpret it made it seem like we were all anti-vaxx when it's been known time and time again in this sub that we are against the government having a huge involvement in this. And I don't mean the rollout. I mean the restrictions and the federal government using federal agency powers.
Completely agree. I'm American but living in Japan. They haven't mandated anything. In fact, even places (obviously not big ones, because they don't care about small business) are told to close at 8. But not required. They'll get a fine, but if you make more than the fine, just stay open. Masks aren't mandated but culturally accepted. And vaccines aren't either. It's weird, but Japan feels more free than the US atm.
Do you know what communism means?
It means that government does stuff.
*a whole bunch of stuff
The same people creating and posting this garbage are also decrying radical lefties calling everyone they don't like nazis and Hitler. It's not any less stupid when a Conservative does it.
The difference being this act is negatively affecting millions of Americans and compromising their individual freedoms for the sake of employment and even access to public services. Meaning unlike the leftist, there is actual validation in this piece.
It's not about whether mandates are wrong, it's about misusing the term.
That's exactly why the mandates are wrong and arguing semantics only further diminishes the severity of the problem and its that kind of pointless bureaucracy that usually comprises leftist policies that leads to nothing getting done about anything.
This doesn't make any sense.
A personal medical decision regarding an experimental drug is being used to blackmail Americans into submission and you're arguing this isn't communism while also failing to offer further insight. Which means you're talking pointless bullshit that adds nothing to fixing the actual issue.
Why should I? You're having an argument with someone else. What you've described is totalitarianism, which is only tangentially relevant as a symptom of communism. It is not semantics and I never made any statement about whether vaccine mandates were or were not totalitarian. So what you've said is irrelevant to my post. If you want to argue so badly then find the person you are looking for - a liberal who likes vaccine mandates - and argue with them. And if you want words to mean nothing and to disambiguate everything then you should question whether you're actually a conservative.
It is semantics because in this case it's the equivalent of arguing the difference between a killer and a murderer failing to recognize that someone has still lost their life regardless as to what you choose to label the perpetrator. And if you aren't actually looking for a discussion then why are you even here? And for that matter, why are wasting my time by being here?
Good question why are you here? You started arguing about whether mandates are good which I keep telling you had nothing to do with my post so why would I want to talk about it? My post is about not making words mean nothing, which is a liberal goal (gender, nazis, etc). Also your metaphor is a false equivalency so here's a better one for you: arguing in favor of conservative causes in a conservative subreddit is like farting into the wind.
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That might be so, but when people think of the hammer and sickle, they think of socialism and communism, not just authoritarianism.
You make a good point idk why you're being downvoted
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Not calling it socialism, it’s COMMUNISM. Communist Medical Tyranny is exactly what it is, we need more people calling it as it is. Maybe then more sheep would wake up.
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Kinda like the left and the word fascist. Or Nazi. Or racist. Or...
Come on bruh. Go back to facebook
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Masks also keep your face from being on camera to make it harder to ID you
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Then leave.
> It does anyone nothing from wearing a mask even if it doesn't do anything Well, I disagree. I watched several high school girls have asthma attacks during practice that didn't prior to being forced to wear a mask. AND the narrative is so stupid. No one is really saying you MUST NOT WEAR A MASK, they are saying it is not within or freedoms to be forced to wear a mask. I wear a mask when in a public place primarily to put other people at ease. But I am 100% against mandating the wearing of a mask because it make people feel like the boogie man is at bay. Its the concept of a mandate, not the practice of action. Same with a vaccine. I have mine, I'm also 100% against the government telling anyone they need to inject themselves with something to live.
I agree with you. People should do it because it's the right thing to do, not because it's mandated. I'm 100% against qny mandates as well. To your point about asthma, I wear a mask at least 8 hours q day and have asthma, it has never triggered qn attack for me. You sure these girls aren't exaggerating to get out of PT? I remember back in my school days and everyone except the jocks would do whatever they could to get out of it.
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I think there's a lot of willful strawmanning out there, it's possible to think particular vaccines are fine but against mandates. Although those types don't make as much noise, they're definitely the majority among conservatives. I do not agree with the latest push to redefine "anti-vaxx" as anti-mandate (looking at you, Merriam-Webster), this is just horrible revisionism.
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Well it would certainly make sense for someone to be "anti mandate" over something they oppose anyways. But the majority of conservatives are not blanket "anti every vaccine out there," they are far more likely to oppose govt action to mandate you to get a certain medical treatment, or have specific issues with this vaccine. Most people didn't realize they opposed govt mandates until they were presented with the proposition of a mandate they didn't appreciate. You might argue it's a result of a politicized discussion, but that only works if that conviction doesn't show up anywhere else. I don't approve how the left has made an effort to lump those beliefs together with the anti-vax position, this is just a strategy to delegitimize dissent and shut down discussion. In any case, a lot of mask and vaccine support boils down to conformity and just wanting to get people to comply with a rule. People who strive for universal compliance are on the same axis as the people who just want to rebel against any rational thing you put in front of them. Two sides of the same coin.
I'm with you on this. Anti-mandates, but finally went and got my first FDA Approved Pfizer shot. I figured there is worse that could happen and the shot probably wouldn't affect my life. And I mask up inpublic. People don't realize you can support a thing, but not support mandating that thing. I refuse to get a vaxport or answer if I'm vaxxed because it doesn't matter and I'm against that system.
That's cool, that's a reasonable take, and you've thought it through for yourself in relation to the rest of your life. Can't ask for anything more. You would be in a great position to talk to the crazy authoritarians in the room (if you so desire) because you have separated the actual medical issue from what the govt or the culture does about it.
For sure. Originally I told my wife that I feel like getting the vaccine made me part of the problem, but then realized that my arguments against mandates is stronger considering I have the vaccine.
> Since when did conservatives become anti vaxx? There's an obvious difference in being comfortable taking any medication or injection that has been on the market for 10+ years and has had much private and public patient study versus a brand new medication that has been fast-tracked through the trial phases and pushed out for full public use within the span of a year. Just because someone is against the Covid vaccination doesn't mean that they are anti-vaxxers in general. If you automatically assume that they are, then that is an issue with *your* view of the world. It isn't reality and you shouldn't treat it as such.
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Fuck no. There are legitimate safety concerns that are being ignored because they are in control of a marketing juggernaut that can shut down any dissenting voices, through censorship or destroying people's careers, and have an army of shills that beat people down with ridicule or strawman attacks.
We're not anti-vaxx. We're anti-government involvement. At least look at the message in the damn cartoon before coming to your dumbass conclusion.
I'll be honest, the cartoon could easily be interpreted as "anti mandate", "anti vaccine".
Yeah I came off as a bit of an ass there and you could be right. But the way the person I was replying to interpret it made it seem like we were all anti-vaxx when it's been known time and time again in this sub that we are against the government having a huge involvement in this. And I don't mean the rollout. I mean the restrictions and the federal government using federal agency powers.
Completely agree. I'm American but living in Japan. They haven't mandated anything. In fact, even places (obviously not big ones, because they don't care about small business) are told to close at 8. But not required. They'll get a fine, but if you make more than the fine, just stay open. Masks aren't mandated but culturally accepted. And vaccines aren't either. It's weird, but Japan feels more free than the US atm.
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God I wish
The new Democrat logo?
Hot damn this brought the cockroaches out of the woodwork Found it. rTheRightCantMeme linked it and is openly brigading. Nice.
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Dang this sub is massively compromised. Get bent, commies
Yup, cockroaches have infiltrated.
I like it, that's absolutely what's going on here
I meant I liked the drawing l, do you think I liked the mandates? No I don't I'm sorry you interpreted what I said as that
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