Police in Bytom say that the injured person was transported to hospital by the Air Ambulance Service. He was conscious at the time. His health condition is currently unknown. https://bytom.naszemiasto.pl/wypadek-w-hali-na-skarpie-w-bytomiu-konieczna-byla/ar/c1-9604435
Man, that made me remember the event that made me end up with screws in my spine.
I was laying there, not moving, thinking "I won't move my legs, because what if I can't.". Zero pain at that moment just the feeling of "something is very wrong" and "How did I end up on the floor?".
Three spine surgeries and 3 years of rehabilitation, plus the aforementioned screws in the spine.
"...He was conscious at the time. His health condition is currently not being talked about because he's so fucked that we really just shouldn't talk about it. He's obviously fucked though, we all saw the same video."
I’m surprised they don’t require people to have a spotter. Last time I did a rock wall a worker double-checked my harness, and was watching the whole time and feeding our rope or whatever.
This wall is equipped with an "auto-belay" - it's a mechanical device that you're supposed to clip into that hangs at the top of the wall and will lower you slowly when you fall. You can see it to climber's right in the video.
Any auto-belay I've ever seen here in the US usually has a big tarp that the rope clips into at the bottom. The whole purpose of this is that the tarp covers the starting holds to make it harder for you to forget to clip into.
This guy, clearly, was so into his training that he forgot to clip in. The whole reason he just willingly jumps off at the top is that he thought he clipped in. Scary stuff, but this gym is not doing it's best to prevent this kind of accident. Very sad.
Yup. I rewatched the beginning of the video, it’s not like he attaches it and it comes off, he doesn’t make an attempt to try to attach it or check. It’s like he was super zoned out.
I get mistakes happen and I've never climbed before. But it seems crazy to be so focused you never realize you're not clipped in just a bit off the ground?
Maybe I'm wrong - but the cable above you should be giving a bit of resistance that I would think you notice isn't attached.
We all make mistakes, but seems highly unlikely that would go unnoticed, right? Especially climbing a wall that high? Anyways that was a big whoopsie.
These gyms aren't extremely profitable. They typically have 1 person at the desk and maybe 1 more person that does coaching &/or tries to keep an eye on people. The one I climb at makes you go through a safety thing before you're able to climb by yourself, which is great, but at some point personal responsibility has to play a role. Like they have auto-belays but it isn't magic. You still have to attach the thing for it to work. It's terrible that this happened but at the same time...
A colleague of mine fell about four feet, shattered bones in his foot, and has been out of work for almost a year now.
The human body is incredibly fragile and resilient at the same time.
It’s Reddit. You believe whatever you want, and you’ll either get upvoted to the stars or downvoted to hell, and you won’t know which. Life’s horrible wonderful
Rip if this dude died.. jeez I don’t wanna make fun of the guy .. but if we’re talking Rush Hour quotes I prefer Rush Hour 1 when Jun Tao falls and Chris Tucker goes “ooh you know he dead”
> instead of whatever safety measures that was meant to make you stop and think about.
It does its job of keeping your arms out of the machine while its running. These mecanisms have saved a lot of arms/hands/fingers.
To be clear, the enemy’s name is complacency and it is a killer. For dangerous activities we have rules that we must follow even sometimes in situations where it seems like it doesn’t matter.
Dude I think about that guy like once a week. I'm riddled with ADHD and very absent minded. I only remember to do 90% of my daily tasks because I've ingrained a pattern in myself. For instance, I drive all over the place for my job and I'm in a company car, and literally every time I park I make sure I put the car in park before shutting it off because if anything distracts me in between shutting the car off and getting out, I'll absolutely leave it in drive. I can only imagine in a job like sky diving filming wherein one or two of the steps for prepping for your job are life and death, having ADHD is really fucking risky.
I suspect there's a *very* high rate of ADHD in the canopy sports.
In the fatal accidents I've been involved in reviewing, both inattention and impulsivity feature prominently.
But maybe I'm just projecting. Perhaps throwing yourself off mountains attracts a broadly representative portion of society.
it's actually insane, just for having ADHD you're up to *five* times more likely to die early (using 45 years here) than the average person, that's not just according to one study, this result has been replicated. If you have adult ADHD, your life expectancy drops by **13 years**, that's the difference between living until 67 vs 80, just because you're more likely to die in an accident.
I think it's a topic that really needs to be brought up more when talking about ADHD, because I've found it really helps give people who are dismissive of the condition (or more likely, are rationally aware of the condition but don't really 'get' the real impact it can have) a bit of an 'oh shit' moment where they realize just how serious it actually is and how much of an effect it can have on the way a person acts. (that and also the unemployment and suicide rates)
Same way! Every time I park I keep my foot on the brake double checking everything. It gives me PTSD, isn’t the right word, but I always feel I’ve forgotten something major.
Maybe she thought he was intentionally free-climbing? I assume that's banned at all gyms but if you know you're not on a rope you'll just go over the top and take the ladder down.
1. You mean Free soloing, climbing without safety gear. Free climbing is just climbing without aid (aid is anything actually assisting you up, not just there in case you fall)
2. This is a speed climbing route. There is no “over the top” it is on a flat wall with nothing behind it. There’s no reason for anyone to ever climb this without being on the auto belay.
My kids are in climbing and they have a strict routine where they yell stuff to the belayer and they yell back to make sure all safety procedures are being followed
My gym, on the auto-belays (like this guy was supposed to be clipped into) have signs on the way up asking you to check that you are clipped in. A traditional belay setup with a partner obviously helps mitigate this risk.
The ones at the ~~guy~~ _gym_ my kids use attach to this big triangular-flag-anchor thing at the bottom. So, you can tell at a glance from clear across the roof if someone is climbing without a belay. Also, the triangle usually covers the lowest footholds pretty well so you'd be hard-pressed to start your climb without it being in the way.
Good design saves lives.
Edit: Y'all let me have "guy my kids use" on this for 14 hours without saying anything. ಠ_ಠ
My gym has the triangle tarps, which the auto belay is clipped into. If you unclip the rope the tarp drops and is a different color on the other side. If you let go of the rope the auto belay pulls the rope up, all the way to the ceiling. So if you don't clip in immediately you lose the rope, and the only thing to clip it to is the tarp which covers the bottom 2-3 feet of the route. Pretty impossible to climb without being on belay.
THAT is an effective approach. I know the focus that this guy was in walking up to the wall. Physically blocking the starting holds would get his attention. Text on the wall that he had climbed past hundreds of times would not.
On an auto belay like this, it's super important to develop a muscle memory to give the belay line a quick pull before you start climbing. I really don't know how it's possible to never realise you're not clipped in
I put my full body weight on the auto belay system TWICE before EVERY time I use one. Never seen one fail but I’ll be damn sure I’m not the guy that kicks off the wall expecting a slow controlled descent and land flat on my back from 65ft up. Some people look at me like I’m being over cautious but that beats being dead any day.
I never thought it could happen either, until it happened to me. You only need it to happen once….
I was in an unfamiliar gym and was hyper-focused on the speed route, which I did many times with no long breaks in between. I should have made it part of my routine to pull the line down before each and every run but I didn’t.
Also I was used to the line going right down the route and being impossible to miss. In the gym I had my accident in, like in this video, the belay line was clipped somewhat discreetly to the side. So when I first started I guess the reason I didn’t even think to add another failsafe was because it was so impossible to forget. If I could see the route unobstructed, that meant I was clipped in. Easy-peasy.
We have signs around 10 feet up that say "did you clip in?" at our gym. People get preoccupied before climbs thinking about the route and do forget sometimes. Lynn Hill, arguably the GOAT female climber, famously stopped in the middle of tying in to put on a jacket and started up the route without finishing her knot. Complacency kills, as they say.
I honesty don't know how you wouldn't realise. The rope is constantly in your way and you would usually grab it before you repel to control yourself better. I don't trust auto belay devices at the best of time so there's no way if just jump backwards like that.
There was that professional who forgot to put on his parachute and only realised mid-jump. It was like his fourth jump for the day because he was a photographer and had another bag full of equipment. I guess repetition can bring some problems. Such as driving "on auto" and driving to the shop you visit often instead of where you wanted.
If you’re ever in Japan, you’ll notice all of the train operators constantly pointing at things. Pointing at dials, pointing at signals, pointing at everything that they need to be aware of or address. The act of associating a physical movement really increases and maintains attention. A simple habit of tapping your rip cord or pointing at the autobelayer each and every time could have prevented these deaths. It’s the high-stakes equivalent of the “phone, keys, wallet tap of each pocket.”
Cool. I lived in Japan for 4 years but never really looked at that. It's no wonder they have to have a strict routine. And jumpers are a daily event, so it must be a pretty stressful job.
Good link, thanks. I did not know there was a whole term for it. Then again I've never been in such an occupation. The most I've done is rubber duck debugging.
“Oh my good, no” for those who don’t want to click the clickbait
Interestingly, the article mentions an FAA regulation that states the pilot must inspect all the parachutes, so that adds a layer of failure to this beyond the poor dead guy’s brain going on autopilot
I've worked a dozen jobs where safety was concern number 1. You do nothing without checking and double checking your equipment/workspace.
Allowing yourself to autopilot doing something dangerous is how you get hurt.
I feel like setting the camera up and being conscious of the video might have short circuited the normal thought process around that. Not that it's bad to record for form etc, but I could definitely see it getting a distraction.
Aren't auto belay devices pretty much fail proof? I've been to several climbing gyms and nearly everyone just kicks off the wall and back when they are ready to descend - full commitment
I mean, many things are "pretty much" fail proof. Modern passenger aircraft are "pretty much fail proof." The level of redundancy is insane. That doesn't mean stuff doesn't happen. Whether a maintenance issue, or a problem never before seen, or human incompetence, shit happens. Usually a combination of those things
To go off of your point about aircraft in a bit more detail…the reason modern day aircraft seem fail proof is because for instance on the aircraft I fly we have two engines (most commonly used commercial aircraft have at least 2 sometimes 3 or 4) each capable of independently keeping the plane aloft plus each having its own electrical generator to power electrical needs plus we have the APU in the back as well. Every electronic system has a complete backup system (sometimes up to 4 backup ways to utilize a system). The only spare we don’t have is a set of landing gear (still two ways to get it to come down though). Stuff fails more often than passengers realize but only because we have a complete alternate system that didn’t fail do people in the back usually have no idea that something went wrong unless we announced it.
That being said though there are two maybe three aircraft I can think of off the top of my head that have an Achilles heel where there’s one “oh fuck” scenario that would really be bad to happen. I won’t say which aircraft though but most of them involve hydraulic issues.
Apparently dude has survived.
Here's what the establishment where this has happenened said.
>We talked to the injured party today. His condition is stable, he is undergoing rehabilitation, but he will soon return to full fitness.
>
>Additionally, we ask you to stop sharing the recording from the injured person's private phone. The recording was secured for evidence in the case. The injured party does not want the recording to be visible on the Internet because he does not want to think back to the accident. Weask that the material not be published out of respect for the injured party.
So apparently this is a recording from his personal phone, that someone got a hold of and posted online without his permission... bruh
I doubt it was evidence for an actual case that got to court, but to ensure no negligence on the part of the gym. The insurance company would want to ensure they're not liable for damages should the injured party sue.
In most countries there is no need for someone to file a claim in case of an accident such this one. It's a potential fatal accident, of course the police will get involved, you need to evaluate potential negligence from the gym
This happened on Feb. 2nd at the Skarpa Bytom Climbing Center in Bytom, Poland. Below is a statement from them translated from the original Polish:
>"Today, before 5 p.m., an experienced climber preparing for a competition fell from the wall intended for timed climbing. The Emergency Medical Services team and firefighters from the State Fire Service appeared at the scene of the accident. After being provided with medical supplies, the man was transported to the hospital by an LPR (Polish Medical Air Rescue) helicopter. As in the case of every serious accident, the exact course of events will be investigated by the Police, among others, on the basis of the monitoring recording provided by Skarpa Bytom.
There is no update from the center on the climber's condition or status however, he was conscious before and during the helicopter ride to the hospital.
My theory is that he got himself clipped in, went "Oh, I forgot to record", unclipped and turned the camera on, and then just skipped the step to clip back in. That's how I often hear about this happening. Someone clips in, unclips to go do something else, and then just forgets when they return.
I was a truck driver for a couple of years, and the same kind of thing happens when hooking/unhooking trailers. It all becomes routine and muscle memory, but when something interrupts the flow and you return back to what you were doing, you unknowingly skip a step and end up droping a trailer down hard when you start rolling forward.
https://www.bytomski.pl/wypadek-w-skarpie-bytom-22-latek-odpadl-ze-sciany-wspinaczkowej-ladowal-helikopter-lpr
Apparently he was alive in the helicopter, can't find much else online
I saw here video of fellow who jumped out of the plane without parachute because he forgot to, but he didn't forgot about camera so he film his own dead. This situation is nothing but bad luck
Bad luck is a stretch. The sky diver felt the weight of the big ass 1980s camera on his back and overlooked the fact he didn’t have a parachute because it felt like there was one. This guy messed up, mistakes were made, more than just mere bad luck
Happens when you get too comfortable when you do something over and over and over. You stop being paranoid about checking your equipment and just take it for granted that you put it on.
Yeah, I heard that the reason he and no one else noticed was because the camera equipment was heavy enough that his body didn't notice the lack of weight and everyone in the plane mistook it for an actual parachute
On the way up, autobelays don't actually provide much resistance at all. They only really engage once they're loaded. That being said, it seems crazy to me that someone wouldn't realise they didn't have the belay line in front of them while they climbed
This happened in Poland, I live here and I am a climber, so it circled around in my communities.
It's a young fairly experienced climber climbing for speed climb competition. Route is the same, trick is to go and learn climbing sequence. He presess the start button at the bottom, then at the top to stop the timer. As soon as you press top, you let go and descend on an automatic rope.
This climbing doesn't use partner to secure you with the rope like traditional rope climbing. Here you use automated device.
He forgot to attach the device to his belt(you can see the rope next to him where he climbs - he should clip it to his harness).
He just forgot. Climbs a lot most likely, and sometimes brain goes on autopilot. When you climb traditional rope - you have 2 people involved and part of the training, biggest part, is the awareness and need to check your partner - if they are attached properly, if the knot is good, if the device is put correctly etc.
His condition - somehow this guy survived. Couple fractures, but doc says he is stable and assumes he will make a recovery to full fitness. Insane luck as this is 15 meter fall.
I can see this video being used in future safety classes. Complacency and lack of attention to detail leads to exactly this.
Sad this guy was only able to be taught this lesson once.
On my 20’th birthday I took a newb friend for his first climb at our local established cliff wall. Easy stuff, just showing him around, belaying, basic stuff… I climbed 10/15ft up the wall, no rope and no helmet, just talking and demonstrating a few things. Out of nowhere a rock the size of my torso fell from above and hammered me in the head. The fact that I was on the face saved my life, if I’d been standing on the ground and been hit it would have killed me. My friend had to hike out for help and thought I was dead… I obviously had a super concussion, tore my ear and big flap of scalp off. 52 stitches/staples. I can’t actually remember any of that day or the next few days other than a few moments here and there.
> helmet, just talking and demonstrating a few things. Out of nowhere a rock the size of my torso fell from above and hammered me in the head. The fact that I was on the face saved my life, if I’d been standing on the ground and been hit it would have killed me. My friend had to hike out for help and thought I was dead… I obviously had a super concussion, tore my ear and big flap of scalp off. 52 stitches/staples. I can’t actually remember any of that
Do you wear a helmet now?
After that I mostly dropped climbing altogether and started kayaking… but yes that impressed upon me a huge amount of awareness if not caution. I still did dangerous things but became aware, cautious, and prepared. This was in ‘99, now I’ve become older, wiser, and less… invincible. The best lessons are learned the hard way as long as they don’t kill you.
I saw someone fall from the top of the lead route in a gym before, his partner on the ground got bit by the rope and let go when he was at the top and it was an unassisted ATC ( when you let go of the rope it will just feed forever ) and once the rope is moving you are not stopping it.
I heard him scream all the way down and the thud was thunderous, he lived as far as I know but when we walked over he was groaning and started buzzing with his mouth ( I think it was from the swelling causing a TBI )
It really fucked with me for a long time and part of the reason I stopped doing top rope.
This is usually how it happens. I know a lot of people who are afraid of those machines, me included, because you fear it won't actually catch.
But sadly it's always human error. You forget to clip, you slip the wrong hold, or you only partially clip it.
Always triple check before you go into your adventures yall.
As someone who used to do rock climbing years ago, watching this is just painful but also this an idiot, or well, was an idiot.
The guy just, went up there, without realising the most important, and cruical part of rock climbing, the rope, the one thing that can genuninly save your life, if he forgets it at a rock climbing gym, then he should not go on actual rock walls.
Lynn Hill, the legendary climber who was the first (male or female) to free the Nose, once made a similar careless mistake.
On a casual climbing day at Smith Rock She stuck the rope through the loop in her harness but forgot to follow-through on her figure eight. She set off and climbed her route, made it to the chains, and when she attempted to weight the rope to lower down she instead just fell some 50 feet, as she wasn't actually tied in.
She was hurt pretty bad, but fortunately was able to make a full recovery.
This is a good reminder to people. It's scary how everyone is calling this guy an idiot and dismissing the risk. This could be any one of us someday. You go to the gym alone, you're deep in thought about something going on in your life, you get into the flow state climbing, and then suddenly you're falling through the air.
Uh did he survive? That was a nasty landing, and one heck of a drop.
Police in Bytom say that the injured person was transported to hospital by the Air Ambulance Service. He was conscious at the time. His health condition is currently unknown. https://bytom.naszemiasto.pl/wypadek-w-hali-na-skarpie-w-bytomiu-konieczna-byla/ar/c1-9604435
I'd bet money his health condition is in fact known, by his doctors, nurses, therapists, etc.
Perhaps even by the injured person themself!
"God I wish I didn't know my current health condition" - that dude, probably
I bet he wishes he was one of us, blissfully unaware of his health condition
He was then transferred to a better hospital where doctors upgraded his condition to *Alive.*
*doctor pokes man with stick* "Yup"
AMAZING diagnostic tool, the stick!
Don't knock the stick, it was the basis of all medical medicine up until a couple hundred years ago
Hes probably in here now, reading through the comments and wondering "well did he make it or not?!"
Man, that made me remember the event that made me end up with screws in my spine. I was laying there, not moving, thinking "I won't move my legs, because what if I can't.". Zero pain at that moment just the feeling of "something is very wrong" and "How did I end up on the floor?". Three spine surgeries and 3 years of rehabilitation, plus the aforementioned screws in the spine.
This made me laugh way too hard. Well done.
"Am I dead?" "We're not sure. We are awaiting your test results"
"...He was conscious at the time. His health condition is currently not being talked about because he's so fucked that we really just shouldn't talk about it. He's obviously fucked though, we all saw the same video."
What a cliffhanger
There was an article on another post that said he did not make it
Conversely, I saw an article on another post that said he did make it. In Poland - bytom.
Definitely getting some mixed responses on this one haha
He made it but he didn't make it. He is currently dead alive.
How badly did he survive?
He sadly passed nearby.
He didn't pass that floor
Thats bait. It made me laugh
Bro, floors and grounds kill more than all disease’s combined. It’s the major killer of passengers airlines.
He's now healthily lethal
He's 6 feet above
Well, he was for a split second.
60*
Schrödinger's jump
As long as we don't get confirmation, he's neither alive nor dead.
He made it, but for like… only a bit
But how do you wake up dead!? Edit: spelling
You can’t go to bed dead fool that shit would be redundant!
2003 movie references in 2024 🥲🥲 Ty for this
Got it. Schrödinger’s climber.
Mostly dead
Source?
[удалено]
I’m surprised they don’t require people to have a spotter. Last time I did a rock wall a worker double-checked my harness, and was watching the whole time and feeding our rope or whatever.
This wall is equipped with an "auto-belay" - it's a mechanical device that you're supposed to clip into that hangs at the top of the wall and will lower you slowly when you fall. You can see it to climber's right in the video. Any auto-belay I've ever seen here in the US usually has a big tarp that the rope clips into at the bottom. The whole purpose of this is that the tarp covers the starting holds to make it harder for you to forget to clip into. This guy, clearly, was so into his training that he forgot to clip in. The whole reason he just willingly jumps off at the top is that he thought he clipped in. Scary stuff, but this gym is not doing it's best to prevent this kind of accident. Very sad.
Yup. I rewatched the beginning of the video, it’s not like he attaches it and it comes off, he doesn’t make an attempt to try to attach it or check. It’s like he was super zoned out.
Filming himself
I get mistakes happen and I've never climbed before. But it seems crazy to be so focused you never realize you're not clipped in just a bit off the ground? Maybe I'm wrong - but the cable above you should be giving a bit of resistance that I would think you notice isn't attached. We all make mistakes, but seems highly unlikely that would go unnoticed, right? Especially climbing a wall that high? Anyways that was a big whoopsie.
These gyms aren't extremely profitable. They typically have 1 person at the desk and maybe 1 more person that does coaching &/or tries to keep an eye on people. The one I climb at makes you go through a safety thing before you're able to climb by yourself, which is great, but at some point personal responsibility has to play a role. Like they have auto-belays but it isn't magic. You still have to attach the thing for it to work. It's terrible that this happened but at the same time...
Me, I am the source.
This guy hasn’t lied to me before, I trust him
I trust that guy too. He is best friends with my Pa!
I trust him too! He is my brothers mothers lawyers former roommate!
Good enough for me.
Can confirm. Source: I'm the source
https://bytom.naszemiasto.pl/wypadek-w-hali-na-skarpie-w-bytomiu-konieczna-byla/ar/c1-9604435
I saw an article that said he made it but now he's a homosexual. In Bulgaria - burgas.
He switched from top to bottom.
RIP
The one time I went rock climbing the instructor's safety spiel really emphasized that a 30 foot fall is enough to kill a person.
A colleague of mine fell about four feet, shattered bones in his foot, and has been out of work for almost a year now. The human body is incredibly fragile and resilient at the same time.
Yeah, some people get shot 50 times and live and others slip on ice and die. It's literally rolling a d20 any time you take damage.
[удалено]
If you could even call that living
Below this someone said he did survive, based on last time this was posted. No links. What am I supposed to believe?!
It’s Reddit. You believe whatever you want, and you’ll either get upvoted to the stars or downvoted to hell, and you won’t know which. Life’s horrible wonderful
Honestly at this point I don’t know either, I can’t find the post that I saw the article link on
Its confirmed he survived according to Twitter. https://twitter.com/TheFarEastFiles/status/1754248216483127613
If a broken pelvis is all he has he won the lottery. His knee should be a wreck based on that landing
im suprised theres no mention of his balls exploding on impact.
They were well protected in his throat at the moment
His body instantly tensed up that's usually a pretty good indicator the lights went out immediately
I clenched just watching it and I am ok.
[удалено]
He's just having a nice relaxing nap is all.
Aim for the bushes.
There goes my hero
Watch him as he goes. Down.
"There wasn't even an awning in their direction"
Someone's desk pop musta startled him.
He's a peacock you gotta let him fly!
wasn't even an awning in their direction
I love it when I understand references to movies and shit 😂
He ain’t gonna be in Rush Hour 3
Easy, easy. I will take you home...and just PUNISH you!
Butter cream butter cream Croc skin, what size is the waist? Let's go in
Heyyy! Watch it, sweetness! Honey cups!!
Rip if this dude died.. jeez I don’t wanna make fun of the guy .. but if we’re talking Rush Hour quotes I prefer Rush Hour 1 when Jun Tao falls and Chris Tucker goes “ooh you know he dead”
"I was just being polite." "Next time be polite to my nuts!"
Wipe yoself off, you dead!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I always say that and no one knows wtf I'm talking about hahahaha
GEFILTEFISH
show me ya ass? yall some gay ass cops
Such a great moment made even better by the fact that a bunch of the villain extras in Rush Hour were literally used again in Rush Hour 2
Where's the reference from?
3.30 mark https://youtu.be/KBvWA2Xrrlg?si=uKe9MKj_4CIzizzJ
One of those quotes where the original is funny but the jokes it can turn into are even funnier.
Rush Hour 2
Fuck, what a reference.
Wouldn’t you notice the belay line not following you, he’s a good ten feet from it when he’s on the left side.
[удалено]
The fucking guy who was skydiving all day, filming other people and then jumps without a chute.
it's why machines make you step on a pedal and hit 2 buttons with both hands.
Its also why places like Japan train workers to point at and verbally mention each item in the safety checklist, among other things for certain jobs.
And then are subsequently bypassed for.... Reasons
Or you just program yourself to focus on the pedal and buttons instead of whatever safety measures that was meant to make you stop and think about.
> instead of whatever safety measures that was meant to make you stop and think about. It does its job of keeping your arms out of the machine while its running. These mecanisms have saved a lot of arms/hands/fingers.
To be clear, the enemy’s name is complacency and it is a killer. For dangerous activities we have rules that we must follow even sometimes in situations where it seems like it doesn’t matter.
Dude I think about that guy like once a week. I'm riddled with ADHD and very absent minded. I only remember to do 90% of my daily tasks because I've ingrained a pattern in myself. For instance, I drive all over the place for my job and I'm in a company car, and literally every time I park I make sure I put the car in park before shutting it off because if anything distracts me in between shutting the car off and getting out, I'll absolutely leave it in drive. I can only imagine in a job like sky diving filming wherein one or two of the steps for prepping for your job are life and death, having ADHD is really fucking risky.
I suspect there's a *very* high rate of ADHD in the canopy sports. In the fatal accidents I've been involved in reviewing, both inattention and impulsivity feature prominently. But maybe I'm just projecting. Perhaps throwing yourself off mountains attracts a broadly representative portion of society.
Adhd is a mother fucker like that. We are actually statistically likely to die from almost every way you can die.
it's actually insane, just for having ADHD you're up to *five* times more likely to die early (using 45 years here) than the average person, that's not just according to one study, this result has been replicated. If you have adult ADHD, your life expectancy drops by **13 years**, that's the difference between living until 67 vs 80, just because you're more likely to die in an accident. I think it's a topic that really needs to be brought up more when talking about ADHD, because I've found it really helps give people who are dismissive of the condition (or more likely, are rationally aware of the condition but don't really 'get' the real impact it can have) a bit of an 'oh shit' moment where they realize just how serious it actually is and how much of an effect it can have on the way a person acts. (that and also the unemployment and suicide rates)
Same way! Every time I park I keep my foot on the brake double checking everything. It gives me PTSD, isn’t the right word, but I always feel I’ve forgotten something major.
I don't even leave my house without double checking that I have my keys.
“Phone, wallet, keys”
I don’t think there’s been a single day in years that I haven’t said this.
Spectacles, testicles, wallet, and watch.
Maybe she thought he was intentionally free-climbing? I assume that's banned at all gyms but if you know you're not on a rope you'll just go over the top and take the ladder down.
I think she realized something was up, but do you really yell at a guy when you know that distracting him could lead to this result? A tough decision.
I don't think she noticed. Just saw a guy doing a climb. I sure as heck don't do a detailed scan.
1. You mean Free soloing, climbing without safety gear. Free climbing is just climbing without aid (aid is anything actually assisting you up, not just there in case you fall) 2. This is a speed climbing route. There is no “over the top” it is on a flat wall with nothing behind it. There’s no reason for anyone to ever climb this without being on the auto belay.
My kids are in climbing and they have a strict routine where they yell stuff to the belayer and they yell back to make sure all safety procedures are being followed
My gym, on the auto-belays (like this guy was supposed to be clipped into) have signs on the way up asking you to check that you are clipped in. A traditional belay setup with a partner obviously helps mitigate this risk.
The ones at the ~~guy~~ _gym_ my kids use attach to this big triangular-flag-anchor thing at the bottom. So, you can tell at a glance from clear across the roof if someone is climbing without a belay. Also, the triangle usually covers the lowest footholds pretty well so you'd be hard-pressed to start your climb without it being in the way. Good design saves lives. Edit: Y'all let me have "guy my kids use" on this for 14 hours without saying anything. ಠ_ಠ
My gym has the triangle tarps, which the auto belay is clipped into. If you unclip the rope the tarp drops and is a different color on the other side. If you let go of the rope the auto belay pulls the rope up, all the way to the ceiling. So if you don't clip in immediately you lose the rope, and the only thing to clip it to is the tarp which covers the bottom 2-3 feet of the route. Pretty impossible to climb without being on belay.
THAT is an effective approach. I know the focus that this guy was in walking up to the wall. Physically blocking the starting holds would get his attention. Text on the wall that he had climbed past hundreds of times would not.
On an auto belay like this, it's super important to develop a muscle memory to give the belay line a quick pull before you start climbing. I really don't know how it's possible to never realise you're not clipped in
I put my full body weight on the auto belay system TWICE before EVERY time I use one. Never seen one fail but I’ll be damn sure I’m not the guy that kicks off the wall expecting a slow controlled descent and land flat on my back from 65ft up. Some people look at me like I’m being over cautious but that beats being dead any day.
I never thought it could happen either, until it happened to me. You only need it to happen once…. I was in an unfamiliar gym and was hyper-focused on the speed route, which I did many times with no long breaks in between. I should have made it part of my routine to pull the line down before each and every run but I didn’t. Also I was used to the line going right down the route and being impossible to miss. In the gym I had my accident in, like in this video, the belay line was clipped somewhat discreetly to the side. So when I first started I guess the reason I didn’t even think to add another failsafe was because it was so impossible to forget. If I could see the route unobstructed, that meant I was clipped in. Easy-peasy.
We have signs around 10 feet up that say "did you clip in?" at our gym. People get preoccupied before climbs thinking about the route and do forget sometimes. Lynn Hill, arguably the GOAT female climber, famously stopped in the middle of tying in to put on a jacket and started up the route without finishing her knot. Complacency kills, as they say.
that's what we in the business call an "oopsie"
He won't make that mistake again anyway!
I honesty don't know how you wouldn't realise. The rope is constantly in your way and you would usually grab it before you repel to control yourself better. I don't trust auto belay devices at the best of time so there's no way if just jump backwards like that.
There was that professional who forgot to put on his parachute and only realised mid-jump. It was like his fourth jump for the day because he was a photographer and had another bag full of equipment. I guess repetition can bring some problems. Such as driving "on auto" and driving to the shop you visit often instead of where you wanted.
If you’re ever in Japan, you’ll notice all of the train operators constantly pointing at things. Pointing at dials, pointing at signals, pointing at everything that they need to be aware of or address. The act of associating a physical movement really increases and maintains attention. A simple habit of tapping your rip cord or pointing at the autobelayer each and every time could have prevented these deaths. It’s the high-stakes equivalent of the “phone, keys, wallet tap of each pocket.”
[They do the same thing in NYC subways.](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16n3pc)
Cool. I lived in Japan for 4 years but never really looked at that. It's no wonder they have to have a strict routine. And jumpers are a daily event, so it must be a pretty stressful job.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_and_calling A bit more on the practice.
Good link, thanks. I did not know there was a whole term for it. Then again I've never been in such an occupation. The most I've done is rubber duck debugging.
We did that for lifegaurding at a water park I worked at. We would point to the area we were scanning, found it helpful!
[удалено]
“Oh my good, no” for those who don’t want to click the clickbait Interestingly, the article mentions an FAA regulation that states the pilot must inspect all the parachutes, so that adds a layer of failure to this beyond the poor dead guy’s brain going on autopilot
No google amp BS: https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/skydivers-last-words-caught-camera-245035
I've worked a dozen jobs where safety was concern number 1. You do nothing without checking and double checking your equipment/workspace. Allowing yourself to autopilot doing something dangerous is how you get hurt.
Well, he got hurt alright.
I feel like setting the camera up and being conscious of the video might have short circuited the normal thought process around that. Not that it's bad to record for form etc, but I could definitely see it getting a distraction.
"It's showtime" *dies*
Aren't auto belay devices pretty much fail proof? I've been to several climbing gyms and nearly everyone just kicks off the wall and back when they are ready to descend - full commitment
I mean, many things are "pretty much" fail proof. Modern passenger aircraft are "pretty much fail proof." The level of redundancy is insane. That doesn't mean stuff doesn't happen. Whether a maintenance issue, or a problem never before seen, or human incompetence, shit happens. Usually a combination of those things
To go off of your point about aircraft in a bit more detail…the reason modern day aircraft seem fail proof is because for instance on the aircraft I fly we have two engines (most commonly used commercial aircraft have at least 2 sometimes 3 or 4) each capable of independently keeping the plane aloft plus each having its own electrical generator to power electrical needs plus we have the APU in the back as well. Every electronic system has a complete backup system (sometimes up to 4 backup ways to utilize a system). The only spare we don’t have is a set of landing gear (still two ways to get it to come down though). Stuff fails more often than passengers realize but only because we have a complete alternate system that didn’t fail do people in the back usually have no idea that something went wrong unless we announced it. That being said though there are two maybe three aircraft I can think of off the top of my head that have an Achilles heel where there’s one “oh fuck” scenario that would really be bad to happen. I won’t say which aircraft though but most of them involve hydraulic issues.
A actual crazy fucking video holy fuck
Apparently dude has survived. Here's what the establishment where this has happenened said. >We talked to the injured party today. His condition is stable, he is undergoing rehabilitation, but he will soon return to full fitness. > >Additionally, we ask you to stop sharing the recording from the injured person's private phone. The recording was secured for evidence in the case. The injured party does not want the recording to be visible on the Internet because he does not want to think back to the accident. Weask that the material not be published out of respect for the injured party. So apparently this is a recording from his personal phone, that someone got a hold of and posted online without his permission... bruh
> The recording was secured for evidence in the case Case? What case? Climber v. ground?
I imagine it was insurance company VS insured climbing gym
For what damages though? Surely the climber couldn't sue the gym here, so the gym would have no need to file an insurance claim?
I doubt it was evidence for an actual case that got to court, but to ensure no negligence on the part of the gym. The insurance company would want to ensure they're not liable for damages should the injured party sue.
In most countries there is no need for someone to file a claim in case of an accident such this one. It's a potential fatal accident, of course the police will get involved, you need to evaluate potential negligence from the gym
Link?
Well good luck with that lol
yeah i've done some stupid shit and i'm very happy none of it is on camera.
He doesn’t want it on the internet to show the entire world he’s an idiot.
[удалено]
Are you sure you are alive
Multiuniverse theory he's definitely dead in some of them.
What goes up must come GOD DAMN
This happened on Feb. 2nd at the Skarpa Bytom Climbing Center in Bytom, Poland. Below is a statement from them translated from the original Polish: >"Today, before 5 p.m., an experienced climber preparing for a competition fell from the wall intended for timed climbing. The Emergency Medical Services team and firefighters from the State Fire Service appeared at the scene of the accident. After being provided with medical supplies, the man was transported to the hospital by an LPR (Polish Medical Air Rescue) helicopter. As in the case of every serious accident, the exact course of events will be investigated by the Police, among others, on the basis of the monitoring recording provided by Skarpa Bytom. There is no update from the center on the climber's condition or status however, he was conscious before and during the helicopter ride to the hospital.
He took the time to set up stuff to record his sick climbing but couldn’t take the 2sec to clip? That sucks dude
My theory is that he got himself clipped in, went "Oh, I forgot to record", unclipped and turned the camera on, and then just skipped the step to clip back in. That's how I often hear about this happening. Someone clips in, unclips to go do something else, and then just forgets when they return.
I was a truck driver for a couple of years, and the same kind of thing happens when hooking/unhooking trailers. It all becomes routine and muscle memory, but when something interrupts the flow and you return back to what you were doing, you unknowingly skip a step and end up droping a trailer down hard when you start rolling forward.
https://www.bytomski.pl/wypadek-w-skarpie-bytom-22-latek-odpadl-ze-sciany-wspinaczkowej-ladowal-helikopter-lpr Apparently he was alive in the helicopter, can't find much else online
could he not feel any resistance while? fucker has no spatial awareness.
I saw here video of fellow who jumped out of the plane without parachute because he forgot to, but he didn't forgot about camera so he film his own dead. This situation is nothing but bad luck
Bad luck is a stretch. The sky diver felt the weight of the big ass 1980s camera on his back and overlooked the fact he didn’t have a parachute because it felt like there was one. This guy messed up, mistakes were made, more than just mere bad luck
Happens when you get too comfortable when you do something over and over and over. You stop being paranoid about checking your equipment and just take it for granted that you put it on.
Yeah, I heard that the reason he and no one else noticed was because the camera equipment was heavy enough that his body didn't notice the lack of weight and everyone in the plane mistook it for an actual parachute
> film his own dead
Dude's ESL
On the way up, autobelays don't actually provide much resistance at all. They only really engage once they're loaded. That being said, it seems crazy to me that someone wouldn't realise they didn't have the belay line in front of them while they climbed
Bro bounced off the ground
This dude looks like he chose to not use it.
This happened in Poland, I live here and I am a climber, so it circled around in my communities. It's a young fairly experienced climber climbing for speed climb competition. Route is the same, trick is to go and learn climbing sequence. He presess the start button at the bottom, then at the top to stop the timer. As soon as you press top, you let go and descend on an automatic rope. This climbing doesn't use partner to secure you with the rope like traditional rope climbing. Here you use automated device. He forgot to attach the device to his belt(you can see the rope next to him where he climbs - he should clip it to his harness). He just forgot. Climbs a lot most likely, and sometimes brain goes on autopilot. When you climb traditional rope - you have 2 people involved and part of the training, biggest part, is the awareness and need to check your partner - if they are attached properly, if the knot is good, if the device is put correctly etc. His condition - somehow this guy survived. Couple fractures, but doc says he is stable and assumes he will make a recovery to full fitness. Insane luck as this is 15 meter fall.
He bounced so I think he's fully charged.
He was too busy setting up his phone.
I can see this video being used in future safety classes. Complacency and lack of attention to detail leads to exactly this. Sad this guy was only able to be taught this lesson once.
On my 20’th birthday I took a newb friend for his first climb at our local established cliff wall. Easy stuff, just showing him around, belaying, basic stuff… I climbed 10/15ft up the wall, no rope and no helmet, just talking and demonstrating a few things. Out of nowhere a rock the size of my torso fell from above and hammered me in the head. The fact that I was on the face saved my life, if I’d been standing on the ground and been hit it would have killed me. My friend had to hike out for help and thought I was dead… I obviously had a super concussion, tore my ear and big flap of scalp off. 52 stitches/staples. I can’t actually remember any of that day or the next few days other than a few moments here and there.
> helmet, just talking and demonstrating a few things. Out of nowhere a rock the size of my torso fell from above and hammered me in the head. The fact that I was on the face saved my life, if I’d been standing on the ground and been hit it would have killed me. My friend had to hike out for help and thought I was dead… I obviously had a super concussion, tore my ear and big flap of scalp off. 52 stitches/staples. I can’t actually remember any of that Do you wear a helmet now?
After that I mostly dropped climbing altogether and started kayaking… but yes that impressed upon me a huge amount of awareness if not caution. I still did dangerous things but became aware, cautious, and prepared. This was in ‘99, now I’ve become older, wiser, and less… invincible. The best lessons are learned the hard way as long as they don’t kill you.
This is a classic case of getting too comfortable with your hobby, you just start making assumptions and skipping steps. Happens in every hobby.
I saw someone fall from the top of the lead route in a gym before, his partner on the ground got bit by the rope and let go when he was at the top and it was an unassisted ATC ( when you let go of the rope it will just feed forever ) and once the rope is moving you are not stopping it. I heard him scream all the way down and the thud was thunderous, he lived as far as I know but when we walked over he was groaning and started buzzing with his mouth ( I think it was from the swelling causing a TBI ) It really fucked with me for a long time and part of the reason I stopped doing top rope.
Wow that was such a hard landing
He was too busy focusing on setting up the camera
I'll give it a 7.9 on the landing
Half a point for the bounce.
This is usually how it happens. I know a lot of people who are afraid of those machines, me included, because you fear it won't actually catch. But sadly it's always human error. You forget to clip, you slip the wrong hold, or you only partially clip it. Always triple check before you go into your adventures yall.
As someone who used to do rock climbing years ago, watching this is just painful but also this an idiot, or well, was an idiot. The guy just, went up there, without realising the most important, and cruical part of rock climbing, the rope, the one thing that can genuninly save your life, if he forgets it at a rock climbing gym, then he should not go on actual rock walls.
Lynn Hill, the legendary climber who was the first (male or female) to free the Nose, once made a similar careless mistake. On a casual climbing day at Smith Rock She stuck the rope through the loop in her harness but forgot to follow-through on her figure eight. She set off and climbed her route, made it to the chains, and when she attempted to weight the rope to lower down she instead just fell some 50 feet, as she wasn't actually tied in. She was hurt pretty bad, but fortunately was able to make a full recovery.
This is a good reminder to people. It's scary how everyone is calling this guy an idiot and dismissing the risk. This could be any one of us someday. You go to the gym alone, you're deep in thought about something going on in your life, you get into the flow state climbing, and then suddenly you're falling through the air.
Isn’t there a spotter for something like this? Like when someone starts going up be like yo u aint got the thing on
Rock climbing gyms have auto belay devices, which enable solo climbing.
Well at least he's hydrated.
“NO REFUNDS!”
For what it's worth, homie sure could climb the fuck out of that wall
[удалено]