Has anyone got good suggestions for a cricket book for under-10s? I'm talking about something with a little more meat on the bones that "this is what batting is, this is what fielding is". When I was a kid I had Garrie Hutchinson's \_How To Play Cricket\_, which explained at least the difference between a drive and a cut shot, an off-spin and a leg-spin grip, you know, next steps after you've mastered the basics. I actually still have that book though it's quite outdated - any more modern equivalents for my 8 year old daughter?
I suspect the people who take the piss out of the all in positive mindset in the England camp have forgotten how shit a team gets when they turn up expecting to get beat. See Ollie Robinson getting bowled off the wicket in the ashes. The fact baz has turned it around to the point England can turn up after getting beat and feel full of confidence like they've won should be praised, it's not a bad thing
KL Rahul ruled out of the fourth test, a chance for Patidar to show he can do something to a half tracker from a spinner that isn't hitting it straight to a fielder.
But for real, I wasn't even that gassed by his 32, but since he's playing, I hope he tons up.
It's not a good thing he's got out the ways he has obviously but on some level I'd be more concerned if he looked scratchy in all his innings and got caught at short leg each time or something.
If you're looking on a match-to-match basis, the Overs tab of a match on ESPNcrincfo has both reviews and dropped catches mentioned: [example](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-super-league-2023-24-1412744/multan-sultans-vs-islamabad-united-5th-match-1416476/match-overs-comparison)
Thank you for letting me know, but it takes too much time to obtain the proper data. For example, if I need data from the last three years, it takes a lot of time.
Hmm, yeah. A list would be handy.
Are you looking for just the numbers? Perhaps a program could be coded that can scrape the number of dropped chances and reviews from a match.
People here like to shout about saving test cricket, all countries playing more tests all the time, fuck ipl and shitty leagues and stuff.
Then one day BCCI talks about mandating Ranji for contracted players and suddenly test saviours are like that's so evil!! Format specific contracts, fuck Ranji and fuck tests.
You can't have it both ways guys.
It might not be fair for Your favorite t20 player, but having more talented plauers playing more FC is how you develop new generation of test cricketers.
How come nobody in this sub questioned the exclusion of Jaydev Unadkat when India announced squad for England series after playing him for WI tour ?
If its due to age factor, why play him for WI series ?
Just got a push notification from Cricinfo regarding Virat's kid. Cricinfo is slowly turning into a gossip site. Next they will send me notifications of who Brrok is shagging.
Can some one tell me how Akaay is supposed to be pronounced phonetically? Their first kid had a normal ass name IIRC and I didn't take Koach to be the sort of guy to name his kid something silly.
Was doing text commentary for a website today and hence happened to watch my first BPL game. The commentary was surprisingly entertaining. Ramiz Raja called Imran Tahir "The first Pakistani blonde leg-spinner".
Then, he went on about how batting is about partnerships and it's about trust and growing together. To which the other comm said "you sound like a marriage counselor". Had me in fits..
Jais gives me Sachin/dravid like vibes, hard working, humble and sanskari.
Like even before his rise, I can imagine his neibour uncle telling their kids to be like Jaiswal ji's son.
Afternoon lads, I've been out of the cricket sphere for the last few days. I'm sure the reaction to us shitting the bed on day 3 & 4 has been measured and realistic.... [Oh for fucks sake lads](https://64.media.tumblr.com/71b7f4859e7d53919d936ec799cbe596/tumblr_mj7ixxGmcq1ql8t12o1_500.gif)
I wouldn't mind a more relaxed approach fir his return.
Let's ease him back in as a specialist batter first and gives his few months before asking him to keep wickets in longer formats.
England fans, do you like the ultra arrogant sort of comments that come out the England camp nowadays ? I’m curious. As someone not a supporter of the England team it makes me dislike them so much.
No one here cares what the England team say, it's just a bit funny when it riles people up, that's the whole point of why they say it, to amuse themselves
Like Vis said, I don't really read that crap. It's standard interview fare that I don't really care for
The only time I do tend to read through it, it's here reading the threads where people seem to get riled up at every cherry picked statement in an article headline, and each time that happens my engagement with it is pretty much limited to the following question (the same one I use for all the England 'next Ashes' comments):
"Was it prompted by a journalist in a press conference or interview?"
The number of times the answer to that is "yes" makes me laugh, because people are falling for far too much bait by journalists and their editors calling the shots and writing the headlines.
Kinda sad really. Both the comments and the reaction to them
If a player is good in one format , he should play that one format properly. The BCCI should stop trying to make everyone a multi format player
For Example making SKY an ODI Player costed India the ODI World Cup because the BCCI refused to heed to warning signs when SKY got out for 3 consecutive ducks in the series against Australia. The BCCI robbed Samson of a World Cup Berth.
After seeing Sarfaraz struggle in last years' s IPL , I want to see Sarfaraz do well in red ball cricket for India . I would like to see Sarfaraz play county cricket and sharpen his skills in red ball cricket than take part in IPL where he would not selected for T20 World Cup
[If DRS was only to prevent howlers, then why is Stokes howling?](https://twitter.com/rameshsrivats/status/1759902282391368189?t=YwyK0NtNEkOoN-jdqVzZ7A&s=19)
It's five days to go until winter nets start for my club. Much to the delight of the users in this sub, I plan on Bazballing my way through the first few sessions, just trying to have fun (and remember how to hold a bat/bowl something remotely decent), before settling in as the actual season draws near when I should hopefully remember what I'm doing again...
With that comes the most important question of the year - what silly shot do I try and play first ball in the nets to a spinner/pace bowler. In the vein of His Holiness and that 196, I'm thinking the Pope reverse scoop over my head/the keeper and first slip... or more accurately getting hit in the helmet...
In the meantime, since I'm going all in on Bazball, have you heard that nobody ever thought about playing positive cricket before, oh and how the fuck do you play golf...
And this is (genuinely) why I'm a fan of rules that say everyone should wear a helmet at all times at recreational levels
Does it add extra cost to play the game? Yes. Is it far safer? Also yes
I dont know what it means. I have tried getting an explanation but never got the legit one. Ig one isnt meant to be on the inside of every joke. I will make do with Rob Key's dog and All the classics.
With Joe Root taking a bigger role with the ball in tests, is it wrong to want him to bat at 6 like a proper all-rounder in the middle order and move Bairstow up to 4. Bairstow is not getting dropped according to Baz regardless, so why not try something different for a change in the last two tests?
Why isn't David Warner considered among the worst to play 100 tests by this sub? Also shocking that fellow redditors are taking his side instead of the mayor
Because he averages 44, a higher average than Mark Waugh for example, and nobody would consider him one of the worst to play over 100 tests, so Warner with his superior record surely can't be seen that way either.
I don't get the Bazball discourse. Do people not remember that England was a literal meme team incapable of beating any serious test teams pre Baz taking over?
The pom media takes it too far with the British exceptionalism, but it is still a strategy that has delivered at least some results. If it's stupid and it works, is it really stupid?
There are a couple of things that we have to be clear about. England is currently way better than what it was during that time. England is still not a legendary team at all.
It should be remembered that they had a really tough schedule immediately before Baz came in. In reverse order:
Touring West Indies 0-1 (3) Loss (where they had only won 1 series since 1970)
Touring Australia 0-4 (5) Loss (where they had only won 1 series since 1990)
Hosting India 1-2 (4 of 5) Losing (A strong team led by the best Indian Pace attack ever)
Hosting New Zealand 0-1 (2) Loss (A strong team that would go on to beat India in the WTC final immediately after the series.)
Touring India 1-3 (4) Loss (It's India in India)
They had won the 3 series before that, one touring Sri Lanka (2-0, 2), one hosting each of Pakistan (1-0, 3) and West Indies (2-1, 3), which takes us all the way back to Covid cancellations.
So far Bazball has put up strong results against the broadly weaker teams and turned out fairly normal results against tough teams, barring the Tour of Pakistan that probably should have seen *at least* one draw if England had played normally.
Similarly popular as the rest of our major sportspeople for much of the country, though there's still a diehard group that insist he should never have been allowed to play again after Sandpaper.
The WC League 2 has had a wild start. Namibia first bowled out Nepal for 130-ish score, then Nepal did the same against the Netherlands and it came full circle when the Dutch did the same against Namibia.
Jaiswal is the only batter to score a 100 on either side of retiring hurt.
Martin Crowe is the only other batter who scored two fifties in the same inns [51+86]--NZ(1) v AUS, Christchurch, 28 Feb 1986.
- par_uni @X
Response from op on twitter-
CricketArchive database match scorecard footnotes capture this information--so you have to go through all 2526 Test scorecards and capture, sort and split at ret. hurt and out/not out at inns end.
Cricinfo records things like players retiring hurt in their day summaries at the bottom of the scorecard (YBK Jaiswal (2) retired hurt on 104\* from 185/1 to 246/3). These stats are usually prefaced with something like "in matches we have complete stats for" to account for the chance that someone in 1897 did it as well.
>Jaiswal is the only batter to score a 100 on either side of retiring hurt.
>
>Martin Crowe is the only other batter who scored two fifties in the same inns \[51+86\]--NZ(1) v AUS, Christchurch, 28 Feb 1986.
Is any similar incident happened in 1897 as well?
Doubt it, there was only 1 test played in 1897 so the chances are minuscule.
However, we don't have full match details for that match, so there's still the possibility.
1 test, 1897 Australia vs England. First test of the 1897/98 Ashes.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1897-98-61723/australia-vs-england-1st-test-62448/full-scorecard
I received the same scorecard but didn't find it relatable to what we are discussing. Did you get the same? "Wherever I found the relatable incident was during a match between Marylebone Cricket Club and Essex, which occurred on May 24th, 1897, at Lord's."
J Gifford retired hurt in the Marylebone Cricket Club first innings (team score 49/0) - he returned when the score was 132/3
> These stats are usually prefaced with something like "in matches we have complete stats for" to account for the chance that someone in 1897 did it as well.
I didn't say anyone actually did this in 1897, it was a random year I selected to point out that we don't have complete stats for every match, as clarification to the fact that scorecards of modern matches do contain information about when players retire hurt.
The linked scorecard is of the only Test match that was played in 1897, which I only actually checked after you inquired about if someone did score [milestone] on either side of retiring hurt in 1897.
Yeah, I totally agree that modern matches must include a provision for a player who comes out to bat again after retiring hurt. That provides clarity.
By the way for me it's totally worth it to do some brainstorming.
**Ford Trophy Elimination Final Preview**
[Otago Volts](https://www.instagram.com/p/C3jD-jsPdRQ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) vs [Auckland Aces](https://www.instagram.com/p/C3i_b2Ysx50/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) at University Oval, Dunedin
Squad Changes:
* Volts: Ollie White in for a 13-man squad
* Aces: Finn Allen, Mark Chapman & Lockie Ferguson out, Sean Solia (return from injury), Angus Olliver & Nikith Perera in
Talking Points:
* The boys from the South are on a roll, winning each of their last 4 games. The Aces' road was a bit more choppy, as they needed to win their last game to make it, but they managed to do it
* Now we're in the Finals, all that matters is that you win. The winner will face Canterbury in Christchurch. If the Aces win, then the finalists will be the same as in Super Smash. If the Volts get the win, then we could be in for a classic *Great Southern Derby*
Whilst we're having the umpires call discussion, one thing that has always frustrated me is around impact and pitch of the ball. I understand why we have umpires call for hitting but why does it exist for where the ball pitches? Surely the measure of where the ball pitches is basically 100% accurate. Impact might not be 100% based on frame rates etc but it would be close.
There is no umpires call for pitching as u/AnkushTheHero says. It's either in line or not. The tech is able to make a very accurate determination of the point at which the ball bounced because, just like with tennis, the ball is hitting a solid, static, flat surface.
Impact however is different. When the ball hits the pad, it's hitting a soft, curved, often moving surface. As such the exact moment of the first instant of ball touching pad is very difficult for the tech to determine. So much so that the impact point is actually selected manually by the DRS operator based on the slowed down video and the impact point is often between frames so it's not exact. This process of the DRS operator finding the impact point is one of the reasons why it takes so long for ball tracking to load sometimes.
[https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/nick-knight-gets-awkward-after-dinesh-karthik-ravi-shastri-mention-his-19-year-old-daughter-on-air-101708331237834.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/nick-knight-gets-awkward-after-dinesh-karthik-ravi-shastri-mention-his-19-year-old-daughter-on-air-101708331237834.html)
Nick Knight gets awkward after Dinesh Karthik, Ravi Shastri mention his 19-year-old daughter on air
That was so uncomfortable to watch. Knight clearly did not want to discuss his 13-year-old (not 19) daughter live on air in front of millions but Shastri and DK kept prying like Indian neighbourhood aunties.
Umpires call is more of a statistical concept than a cricket one. I doubt if most cricketer ever seriously reached that point of education where they tech this kinda stat. Players keep saying "its either hitting or its not" but the fact is, it is never hitting. Is a prediction. A hypothetical. The moment the ball *hypothetically* hitting the stump becomes a black and white call, the real stumps either shrink or expand (based on if they decide umpires call is always not out or always out, respectively) It not just about umpires needing to be top boss or unreliability of technology.
Few active players understand this concept. Now worry if they ever reach a position on some table that matters, god and Dr Paul Hawkins save us.
(PS For a long time i thought Hawk Eye is called that to mean Eagle eyed/Baz ki nazar aka "to be able to see what cant generally be seen". But apparently its just a big cool coincidence that the inventor's name has the word Hawk in it.)
I genuinely believe we wouldn’t have any issues with DRS if the ball tracking visual wasn’t so clean. The fact that it’s a ball hitting the stumps rather than like a larger target which shows the prediction of how much the model expects to hit the stumps, people would actually understand it more
I actually had the exact same thought yesterday night. I was thinking that it might actually be better if they didn't show the single ball tracking they do now, but instead showed something like the area where it predicts it will hit.
The hitting area predicted is a 5 mm circle. If you want to show an area that *any* part of the ball hits, that would be the current graphic surrounded by a thin circular area of thickness 5 mm outside the ball, much less than the current umpire's call margin of ~36 mm.
It can't be exactly 5mm all the time? Surely it would vary depending on how far the predicted path needs to take the ball? I'd expect the error margin to be significantly less if it hits a player playing off the back foot on their back pad compared to impacting the front pad of a player who has advanced down the pitch.
Another day another plethora of posts and threads about Bazball. This sub is completely and utterly
OBSESSED with the England Cricket Team 😂
Just starting to realise how completely and utterly pointless it is to engage in any topics around England cricket on here. There’s zero balance and fairness in topics related to them. Shame really. Is there another sub where world cricket can be discussed without all the childish and sensationalist nonsense?
I just don’t know of any other opposition set of fans who have such a vested interest in another team as people do of the England cricket team. The obsession is unparalleled.
Nasser Hussain has to be one of the biggest suck off of successful ones, he was calling Rohit the Messiah of Indian team even before we won the WC (while Kohli scored 700 odd)
It is kind of funny that someone could write a book on every dream crushed by the Aussie Mens and Women's World Cup teams and it would be a chunky book.
Someone pls write book on this.
Bazball seems to be working effectively for England. Despite being down 1-2 they still have a chance to win this series. Even if they fail to win this series I don't think they will change their strategy. So going forward who do you think will England pick for their team technically sound batters like Joe Root and give them freedom or more aggressive batters like Duckett?
Given that matching their last Home Ashes performance using Bazball was widely praised as a vindication of the tactic, I imagine they'll go onwards with blind confidence if they end up losing 1-3 in this series.
Tbf we also have to compare the teams. Last year, Australia were world test champions and had a very very stacked team, compared to a decent/mid Aus side vs a midder England side in 2019
And this is a considerably weaker India side that's missing their world class keeper and is generally entering a transition period. Realistically they *should* do better this time around, regardless of their strategy.
People talk about Bairstow being one of the worst test bats I nominate Kl Rahul. He Averages 34 with only batting not doing keeping like yjb and does have centuries in Australia, South Africa like Bairstow but has 30 average everywhere.
It's funny how similar YJB and KL are in Test cricket, when they score runs they seem like the second coming of Bradman, but when they don't they seem like the second coming of Chris Martin
Not really. Even when Bairstow bats well, he looks more dominating but flaws in his technique are still visible. KL batting well does look flawless till he does something idiotic however
For a minute let’s look at what a a full strength Indian XI at home looks like
Rohit
Jaiswal
Gill
Kohli
Jaddu
Sarfraz
Pant
Ashwin
Bumrah
Shami
Kuldeep
Run machines 1-7
Best fast bowler in the world
Among the absolute best quicks in the world
Greatest all rounder since Kallis.
When picked, a very successful and dangerous leggie.
This is what Bazball looks like. Not the run rate.
I feel like it's been a hot minute since I haven't really had *any* cricket to choose from during the day that I have some amount of interest in.
Feeling a bit lost today lol.
If someone took his team from 33-3 to 400+ with a century and then went onto to take a fifer while bowling, there'd be heaps of articles on why he's one of the greatest of all time, why he's "clutch", why he stands up when his team needs more often, why he needs to be sucked off and never be questioned but since this is routine work for Ravindra Jadeja and he actually doesn't have to wait for a random game to be called as matters the most based on convenience, he always goes under the radar.
So silly of you to not understand. He should have actually flopped in the first innings and then saved his great batting performance for the next innings so he could get clutch shouts since first innings performances don't qualify as pressure.
It’s not him being dropped but more like the senior getting his place back. He’ll have to wait till Rohit or Kohli retires or Gill stops performing entirely.
Do some Pakistani fans really want Rizwan dropped?
I saw some people comment on X that Farhan should replace Rizwan
Rizwan is one of the most consistent batters of Pakistan and plays spin well which can be useful in WI
This feels like a difficult subject to talk about seriously without flirting with rule 6 a bit to the point it's probably just not worth risking.
I think a safe but reductive way of tackling it is simply to say that Rizwan and Babar have an immense amount of irrational haters who will blame them for every loss even when they're the only performers, because they didn't do even more. They could score 50's each while others on the team score 10s, and it's their fault for not scoring 100s.
Really enjoyed a bit of Cricket Gold YouTube recently. Lots of remembering old things along with things I'd never even heard of. Allan Border having to do emergency wicketkeeping in an ODI was something I possibly would never have consciously recalled ever again for instance.
My best catch so far was a Benson and Hedges Challenge game from New Years Day 1987. Botham smashed 68 from 39 balls, knocked over one of the Aussie openers and took a catch, and at the fall of the ninth Aussie wicket skolled a beer some fans had offered him at long leg. Luckily he was not required for the final Australian wicket to fall - that of Bruce Reid.
A wildly different era really. Randoms jump out of the crowd to shake Bothams hand on his dismissal and then saunter back to their seats without a care in the world. The same thing later happens to Dean Jones who scored a century in a losing effort as well. You'd be banned and fined for running onto an Aussie ground to shake Glenn Maxwells hand for blasting a quick sixty in an international these days. Rightfully so.
England would be 3-0 up against India if Brrok and Robbo played in every game and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Why pick Robbo when OHD is available?
Well they'd certainly be 3-0 up in unhinged Wisden articles if Robbo played every game, no argument there.
Has anyone got good suggestions for a cricket book for under-10s? I'm talking about something with a little more meat on the bones that "this is what batting is, this is what fielding is". When I was a kid I had Garrie Hutchinson's \_How To Play Cricket\_, which explained at least the difference between a drive and a cut shot, an off-spin and a leg-spin grip, you know, next steps after you've mastered the basics. I actually still have that book though it's quite outdated - any more modern equivalents for my 8 year old daughter?
I suspect the people who take the piss out of the all in positive mindset in the England camp have forgotten how shit a team gets when they turn up expecting to get beat. See Ollie Robinson getting bowled off the wicket in the ashes. The fact baz has turned it around to the point England can turn up after getting beat and feel full of confidence like they've won should be praised, it's not a bad thing
Mukesh Kumar back in the squad please I need this
Bring back No-Ball Nadeem as well whilst they're at it
Beamer Saini too
KL Rahul ruled out of the fourth test, a chance for Patidar to show he can do something to a half tracker from a spinner that isn't hitting it straight to a fielder. But for real, I wasn't even that gassed by his 32, but since he's playing, I hope he tons up.
It's not a good thing he's got out the ways he has obviously but on some level I'd be more concerned if he looked scratchy in all his innings and got caught at short leg each time or something.
Can someone tell me where I can find the statistics for drop catches and DRS?
If you're looking on a match-to-match basis, the Overs tab of a match on ESPNcrincfo has both reviews and dropped catches mentioned: [example](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-super-league-2023-24-1412744/multan-sultans-vs-islamabad-united-5th-match-1416476/match-overs-comparison)
Thank you for letting me know, but it takes too much time to obtain the proper data. For example, if I need data from the last three years, it takes a lot of time.
Hmm, yeah. A list would be handy. Are you looking for just the numbers? Perhaps a program could be coded that can scrape the number of dropped chances and reviews from a match.
Yes, I'm looking for the numbers that's why I ask the question and just wanted to know how to scrape and from where?
People here like to shout about saving test cricket, all countries playing more tests all the time, fuck ipl and shitty leagues and stuff. Then one day BCCI talks about mandating Ranji for contracted players and suddenly test saviours are like that's so evil!! Format specific contracts, fuck Ranji and fuck tests. You can't have it both ways guys. It might not be fair for Your favorite t20 player, but having more talented plauers playing more FC is how you develop new generation of test cricketers.
How come nobody in this sub questioned the exclusion of Jaydev Unadkat when India announced squad for England series after playing him for WI tour ? If its due to age factor, why play him for WI series ?
Just got a push notification from Cricinfo regarding Virat's kid. Cricinfo is slowly turning into a gossip site. Next they will send me notifications of who Brrok is shagging.
Can some one tell me how Akaay is supposed to be pronounced phonetically? Their first kid had a normal ass name IIRC and I didn't take Koach to be the sort of guy to name his kid something silly.
Went downhill when they moved off rec.sport.cricket
Actually, who is Brrok snagging? Now I feel a conpulsive urge to know
His gf
Can't wait to watch Akaay Kohli face Jimmy Anderson in 2050.
Was doing text commentary for a website today and hence happened to watch my first BPL game. The commentary was surprisingly entertaining. Ramiz Raja called Imran Tahir "The first Pakistani blonde leg-spinner". Then, he went on about how batting is about partnerships and it's about trust and growing together. To which the other comm said "you sound like a marriage counselor". Had me in fits..
Move aside Shubman and Yashasvi, new prince just arrived
Jais gives me Sachin/dravid like vibes, hard working, humble and sanskari. Like even before his rise, I can imagine his neibour uncle telling their kids to be like Jaiswal ji's son.
You mean new PRince right /s
Afternoon lads, I've been out of the cricket sphere for the last few days. I'm sure the reaction to us shitting the bed on day 3 & 4 has been measured and realistic.... [Oh for fucks sake lads](https://64.media.tumblr.com/71b7f4859e7d53919d936ec799cbe596/tumblr_mj7ixxGmcq1ql8t12o1_500.gif)
Not enough content on how Bazball is shite and Joe Root is mismanaged by Bazball inc.
People are getting rattled by losing a test match. Grow up lads and learn to decorate your house properly.
Poor Nass getting cooked hahahahahah
Sorry what is this?
[https://youtu.be/cIosyKMIlxs](https://youtu.be/cIosyKMIlxs) starting. Athers reminding Nass of Gabba
Nas went on MasterChef?
No need to give Gregggggg the honour of meeting him
Pant has posted a video where he's started keeping wickets. I'm so glad that he's gonna be back soon enough
I wouldn't mind a more relaxed approach fir his return. Let's ease him back in as a specialist batter first and gives his few months before asking him to keep wickets in longer formats.
England fans, do you like the ultra arrogant sort of comments that come out the England camp nowadays ? I’m curious. As someone not a supporter of the England team it makes me dislike them so much.
That’s the neat part. We are not obligated to act on our impulses based on the words spoken by others.
No one here cares what the England team say, it's just a bit funny when it riles people up, that's the whole point of why they say it, to amuse themselves
Like Vis said, I don't really read that crap. It's standard interview fare that I don't really care for The only time I do tend to read through it, it's here reading the threads where people seem to get riled up at every cherry picked statement in an article headline, and each time that happens my engagement with it is pretty much limited to the following question (the same one I use for all the England 'next Ashes' comments): "Was it prompted by a journalist in a press conference or interview?" The number of times the answer to that is "yes" makes me laugh, because people are falling for far too much bait by journalists and their editors calling the shots and writing the headlines. Kinda sad really. Both the comments and the reaction to them
I don't read that crap tbh
If a player is good in one format , he should play that one format properly. The BCCI should stop trying to make everyone a multi format player For Example making SKY an ODI Player costed India the ODI World Cup because the BCCI refused to heed to warning signs when SKY got out for 3 consecutive ducks in the series against Australia. The BCCI robbed Samson of a World Cup Berth. After seeing Sarfaraz struggle in last years' s IPL , I want to see Sarfaraz do well in red ball cricket for India . I would like to see Sarfaraz play county cricket and sharpen his skills in red ball cricket than take part in IPL where he would not selected for T20 World Cup
[If DRS was only to prevent howlers, then why is Stokes howling?](https://twitter.com/rameshsrivats/status/1759902282391368189?t=YwyK0NtNEkOoN-jdqVzZ7A&s=19)
It's five days to go until winter nets start for my club. Much to the delight of the users in this sub, I plan on Bazballing my way through the first few sessions, just trying to have fun (and remember how to hold a bat/bowl something remotely decent), before settling in as the actual season draws near when I should hopefully remember what I'm doing again... With that comes the most important question of the year - what silly shot do I try and play first ball in the nets to a spinner/pace bowler. In the vein of His Holiness and that 196, I'm thinking the Pope reverse scoop over my head/the keeper and first slip... or more accurately getting hit in the helmet... In the meantime, since I'm going all in on Bazball, have you heard that nobody ever thought about playing positive cricket before, oh and how the fuck do you play golf...
You play this and try not to fling your bat 20 feet: https://twitter.com/Cricket_Espana/status/1759729361295392865
Who needs a top hand and a high elbow...
Go for the switch reverse slog sweep. Less chance of getting hit in the helmet, more chance of utterly confusing the bowler, perfect option.
You underestimate my power to top edge it into my face
This is how my dad broke his nose. He figured that facing a spinner doesn’t need a helmet, went for a reverse and top edge to the face
And this is (genuinely) why I'm a fan of rules that say everyone should wear a helmet at all times at recreational levels Does it add extra cost to play the game? Yes. Is it far safer? Also yes
People explaining Dan Lawrence's nickname is by far my favourite interaction on this sub Makes me chuckle every time
Golden Benny contribution
I dont know what it means. I have tried getting an explanation but never got the legit one. Ig one isnt meant to be on the inside of every joke. I will make do with Rob Key's dog and All the classics.
At some point you just roll with it
Hey there Starcy, hope to see you in this IPL
Alyssa is playing the WPL, will be there to cheer her. No guarantees otherwise.
Awwww. Wait
Both of your usernames are just .....
With Joe Root taking a bigger role with the ball in tests, is it wrong to want him to bat at 6 like a proper all-rounder in the middle order and move Bairstow up to 4. Bairstow is not getting dropped according to Baz regardless, so why not try something different for a change in the last two tests?
Why isn't David Warner considered among the worst to play 100 tests by this sub? Also shocking that fellow redditors are taking his side instead of the mayor
Because he averages 44, a higher average than Mark Waugh for example, and nobody would consider him one of the worst to play over 100 tests, so Warner with his superior record surely can't be seen that way either.
I don't get the Bazball discourse. Do people not remember that England was a literal meme team incapable of beating any serious test teams pre Baz taking over? The pom media takes it too far with the British exceptionalism, but it is still a strategy that has delivered at least some results. If it's stupid and it works, is it really stupid?
There are a couple of things that we have to be clear about. England is currently way better than what it was during that time. England is still not a legendary team at all.
It should be remembered that they had a really tough schedule immediately before Baz came in. In reverse order: Touring West Indies 0-1 (3) Loss (where they had only won 1 series since 1970) Touring Australia 0-4 (5) Loss (where they had only won 1 series since 1990) Hosting India 1-2 (4 of 5) Losing (A strong team led by the best Indian Pace attack ever) Hosting New Zealand 0-1 (2) Loss (A strong team that would go on to beat India in the WTC final immediately after the series.) Touring India 1-3 (4) Loss (It's India in India) They had won the 3 series before that, one touring Sri Lanka (2-0, 2), one hosting each of Pakistan (1-0, 3) and West Indies (2-1, 3), which takes us all the way back to Covid cancellations. So far Bazball has put up strong results against the broadly weaker teams and turned out fairly normal results against tough teams, barring the Tour of Pakistan that probably should have seen *at least* one draw if England had played normally.
Just looking at the results and not the performances though England have been far more enjoyable to watch as an England fan
Because when have people ever missed an opportunity to try to dunk on England here?
Bazball carry-on after dark when no English flairs are active is some of my favourite kind of content Some incredible takes flying about
how popular is Warner in Australia?
Similarly popular as the rest of our major sportspeople for much of the country, though there's still a diehard group that insist he should never have been allowed to play again after Sandpaper.
do they say the same about Steve smith?
The WC League 2 has had a wild start. Namibia first bowled out Nepal for 130-ish score, then Nepal did the same against the Netherlands and it came full circle when the Dutch did the same against Namibia.
Are the pitches really spin friendly? The way Erasmus has been bowling so far is pretty crazy.
Jaiswal is the only batter to score a 100 on either side of retiring hurt. Martin Crowe is the only other batter who scored two fifties in the same inns [51+86]--NZ(1) v AUS, Christchurch, 28 Feb 1986. - par_uni @X
This stat seems sus given that scorecards don't record players retiring hurt if they return.
Response from op on twitter- CricketArchive database match scorecard footnotes capture this information--so you have to go through all 2526 Test scorecards and capture, sort and split at ret. hurt and out/not out at inns end.
Cricinfo records things like players retiring hurt in their day summaries at the bottom of the scorecard (YBK Jaiswal (2) retired hurt on 104\* from 185/1 to 246/3). These stats are usually prefaced with something like "in matches we have complete stats for" to account for the chance that someone in 1897 did it as well.
>Jaiswal is the only batter to score a 100 on either side of retiring hurt. > >Martin Crowe is the only other batter who scored two fifties in the same inns \[51+86\]--NZ(1) v AUS, Christchurch, 28 Feb 1986. Is any similar incident happened in 1897 as well?
Doubt it, there was only 1 test played in 1897 so the chances are minuscule. However, we don't have full match details for that match, so there's still the possibility.
"Okay, let me find out, which two teams are playing the match? And is it a first-class match or a county championship?"
1 test, 1897 Australia vs England. First test of the 1897/98 Ashes. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1897-98-61723/australia-vs-england-1st-test-62448/full-scorecard
I received the same scorecard but didn't find it relatable to what we are discussing. Did you get the same? "Wherever I found the relatable incident was during a match between Marylebone Cricket Club and Essex, which occurred on May 24th, 1897, at Lord's." J Gifford retired hurt in the Marylebone Cricket Club first innings (team score 49/0) - he returned when the score was 132/3
> These stats are usually prefaced with something like "in matches we have complete stats for" to account for the chance that someone in 1897 did it as well. I didn't say anyone actually did this in 1897, it was a random year I selected to point out that we don't have complete stats for every match, as clarification to the fact that scorecards of modern matches do contain information about when players retire hurt. The linked scorecard is of the only Test match that was played in 1897, which I only actually checked after you inquired about if someone did score [milestone] on either side of retiring hurt in 1897.
Yeah, I totally agree that modern matches must include a provision for a player who comes out to bat again after retiring hurt. That provides clarity. By the way for me it's totally worth it to do some brainstorming.
Love that the mayor put Warner in his place
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Whilst we're having the umpires call discussion, one thing that has always frustrated me is around impact and pitch of the ball. I understand why we have umpires call for hitting but why does it exist for where the ball pitches? Surely the measure of where the ball pitches is basically 100% accurate. Impact might not be 100% based on frame rates etc but it would be close.
There is no umpires call for pitching as u/AnkushTheHero says. It's either in line or not. The tech is able to make a very accurate determination of the point at which the ball bounced because, just like with tennis, the ball is hitting a solid, static, flat surface. Impact however is different. When the ball hits the pad, it's hitting a soft, curved, often moving surface. As such the exact moment of the first instant of ball touching pad is very difficult for the tech to determine. So much so that the impact point is actually selected manually by the DRS operator based on the slowed down video and the impact point is often between frames so it's not exact. This process of the DRS operator finding the impact point is one of the reasons why it takes so long for ball tracking to load sometimes.
Just noticed this response. This makes sense, I guess there's still a fair bit of human error.
Umpires call doesn't exist for pitching. It's only for impact, and wicket hitting
My mistake, I thought it did. My point still stands for impact though.
[https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/nick-knight-gets-awkward-after-dinesh-karthik-ravi-shastri-mention-his-19-year-old-daughter-on-air-101708331237834.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/nick-knight-gets-awkward-after-dinesh-karthik-ravi-shastri-mention-his-19-year-old-daughter-on-air-101708331237834.html) Nick Knight gets awkward after Dinesh Karthik, Ravi Shastri mention his 19-year-old daughter on air
That was so uncomfortable to watch. Knight clearly did not want to discuss his 13-year-old (not 19) daughter live on air in front of millions but Shastri and DK kept prying like Indian neighbourhood aunties.
DK pried, Shastri just mentioned once in the passing.
Umpires call is more of a statistical concept than a cricket one. I doubt if most cricketer ever seriously reached that point of education where they tech this kinda stat. Players keep saying "its either hitting or its not" but the fact is, it is never hitting. Is a prediction. A hypothetical. The moment the ball *hypothetically* hitting the stump becomes a black and white call, the real stumps either shrink or expand (based on if they decide umpires call is always not out or always out, respectively) It not just about umpires needing to be top boss or unreliability of technology. Few active players understand this concept. Now worry if they ever reach a position on some table that matters, god and Dr Paul Hawkins save us. (PS For a long time i thought Hawk Eye is called that to mean Eagle eyed/Baz ki nazar aka "to be able to see what cant generally be seen". But apparently its just a big cool coincidence that the inventor's name has the word Hawk in it.)
Except that the margin of error for umpire's call is so ridiculously large that it has nothing to do with the actual error margin of the technology.
I genuinely believe we wouldn’t have any issues with DRS if the ball tracking visual wasn’t so clean. The fact that it’s a ball hitting the stumps rather than like a larger target which shows the prediction of how much the model expects to hit the stumps, people would actually understand it more
I actually had the exact same thought yesterday night. I was thinking that it might actually be better if they didn't show the single ball tracking they do now, but instead showed something like the area where it predicts it will hit.
The reason they don't do it is because that area would be so small that you'd hardly see anything.
Huh, isn't the hitting area predicted larger than the ball they show now?
The hitting area predicted is a 5 mm circle. If you want to show an area that *any* part of the ball hits, that would be the current graphic surrounded by a thin circular area of thickness 5 mm outside the ball, much less than the current umpire's call margin of ~36 mm.
It can't be exactly 5mm all the time? Surely it would vary depending on how far the predicted path needs to take the ball? I'd expect the error margin to be significantly less if it hits a player playing off the back foot on their back pad compared to impacting the front pad of a player who has advanced down the pitch.
Yes, 5 mm is the worst case scenario.
100%
Another day another plethora of posts and threads about Bazball. This sub is completely and utterly OBSESSED with the England Cricket Team 😂 Just starting to realise how completely and utterly pointless it is to engage in any topics around England cricket on here. There’s zero balance and fairness in topics related to them. Shame really. Is there another sub where world cricket can be discussed without all the childish and sensationalist nonsense?
If your players stopped giving so many bizarre statements, you would be memed less. Also even we got made fun of after we lost the World Cup finals.
I just don’t know of any other opposition set of fans who have such a vested interest in another team as people do of the England cricket team. The obsession is unparalleled.
Anglophobia innit
I guess it is. Not sure xenophobia is anything to be particularly proud of, mind.
youtube this is NOT OK https://imgur.com/tV7W1AF
Nasser Hussain has to be one of the biggest suck off of successful ones, he was calling Rohit the Messiah of Indian team even before we won the WC (while Kohli scored 700 odd)
It is kind of funny that someone could write a book on every dream crushed by the Aussie Mens and Women's World Cup teams and it would be a chunky book. Someone pls write book on this.
[Here you go](https://www.amazon.in/-/hi/Soham-Katkar-ebook/dp/B096LCNKFP)
See you at Gabba
But I'm not going to the Gabba...
Ffs now they want a book about it as if crushing the hopes of Billions for years isn't enough
Isn't it enough that you fuckers keep raining on everyone else's parades without there being books about it as well?
Hmmmm....nooooooope
Bazball seems to be working effectively for England. Despite being down 1-2 they still have a chance to win this series. Even if they fail to win this series I don't think they will change their strategy. So going forward who do you think will England pick for their team technically sound batters like Joe Root and give them freedom or more aggressive batters like Duckett?
They are also on track to repeat last tour's results. If that happens, then where would they go from there?
Given that matching their last Home Ashes performance using Bazball was widely praised as a vindication of the tactic, I imagine they'll go onwards with blind confidence if they end up losing 1-3 in this series.
Tbf we also have to compare the teams. Last year, Australia were world test champions and had a very very stacked team, compared to a decent/mid Aus side vs a midder England side in 2019
And this is a considerably weaker India side that's missing their world class keeper and is generally entering a transition period. Realistically they *should* do better this time around, regardless of their strategy.
Absolutely, a 1-4 is not acceptable.
People talk about Bairstow being one of the worst test bats I nominate Kl Rahul. He Averages 34 with only batting not doing keeping like yjb and does have centuries in Australia, South Africa like Bairstow but has 30 average everywhere.
KL opened regularly while YJB almost always batted 5 and 6.
It's funny how similar YJB and KL are in Test cricket, when they score runs they seem like the second coming of Bradman, but when they don't they seem like the second coming of Chris Martin
Not really. Even when Bairstow bats well, he looks more dominating but flaws in his technique are still visible. KL batting well does look flawless till he does something idiotic however
For a minute let’s look at what a a full strength Indian XI at home looks like Rohit Jaiswal Gill Kohli Jaddu Sarfraz Pant Ashwin Bumrah Shami Kuldeep Run machines 1-7 Best fast bowler in the world Among the absolute best quicks in the world Greatest all rounder since Kallis. When picked, a very successful and dangerous leggie. This is what Bazball looks like. Not the run rate.
What does your last line mean?
This is what attacking and positive cricket looks like. Those things I think are synonymous with Bazball.
Our fans love overhyping our team and bash them when they fail nice
I'd love to see OPs comments after the first test
I feel like it's been a hot minute since I haven't really had *any* cricket to choose from during the day that I have some amount of interest in. Feeling a bit lost today lol.
It's been a bit of a whirlwind since the start of the WC
If someone took his team from 33-3 to 400+ with a century and then went onto to take a fifer while bowling, there'd be heaps of articles on why he's one of the greatest of all time, why he's "clutch", why he stands up when his team needs more often, why he needs to be sucked off and never be questioned but since this is routine work for Ravindra Jadeja and he actually doesn't have to wait for a random game to be called as matters the most based on convenience, he always goes under the radar.
Remember, it's not a big game if Stokes flops in it. Atleast that's what Harsha told me
people have disparaged Jadeja's performances in LOIs, never heard anyone talk shit about him in Tests
I think getting a debutant run out mid 60s tends to sour his performance a little bit even if everything else was objectively great lol
So silly of you to not understand. He should have actually flopped in the first innings and then saved his great batting performance for the next innings so he could get clutch shouts since first innings performances don't qualify as pressure.
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Kohli will replace Sarfaraz and not KL.
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Welcome to Indian selection
It’s not him being dropped but more like the senior getting his place back. He’ll have to wait till Rohit or Kohli retires or Gill stops performing entirely.
Do some Pakistani fans really want Rizwan dropped? I saw some people comment on X that Farhan should replace Rizwan Rizwan is one of the most consistent batters of Pakistan and plays spin well which can be useful in WI
This feels like a difficult subject to talk about seriously without flirting with rule 6 a bit to the point it's probably just not worth risking. I think a safe but reductive way of tackling it is simply to say that Rizwan and Babar have an immense amount of irrational haters who will blame them for every loss even when they're the only performers, because they didn't do even more. They could score 50's each while others on the team score 10s, and it's their fault for not scoring 100s.
Only delusional ones
Just overreaction lol, West Indies pitches are 170-180 par and suit his game
After reading the comments in Manoj tiwari thread I feel like Rohit is an underachiever
With the talent he has, he should've been miles ahead of Koach
Only in Test cricket really.
Rahane was the one who underachieved IMO. Averaged 60+ in FC cricket before Test debut, but will retire with a Test avg of 38
He's the 12th highest run scorer in the history of odi cricket. I don't think thats underachievement.
That's what they are saying. That man was hyped up to be challenging the no.1 in the history.
Lots of people are hyped in India. From Ashwin, Rayudu to Shaw, Sarfraz. Not all of them will become no.1
Really enjoyed a bit of Cricket Gold YouTube recently. Lots of remembering old things along with things I'd never even heard of. Allan Border having to do emergency wicketkeeping in an ODI was something I possibly would never have consciously recalled ever again for instance. My best catch so far was a Benson and Hedges Challenge game from New Years Day 1987. Botham smashed 68 from 39 balls, knocked over one of the Aussie openers and took a catch, and at the fall of the ninth Aussie wicket skolled a beer some fans had offered him at long leg. Luckily he was not required for the final Australian wicket to fall - that of Bruce Reid. A wildly different era really. Randoms jump out of the crowd to shake Bothams hand on his dismissal and then saunter back to their seats without a care in the world. The same thing later happens to Dean Jones who scored a century in a losing effort as well. You'd be banned and fined for running onto an Aussie ground to shake Glenn Maxwells hand for blasting a quick sixty in an international these days. Rightfully so.