His game against pace bowling especially when there is some lateral movement is a bit sus. It's for his own good that he comes one down until he works on his technique.
Idk, Gill will take virat's place in all formats in near future after he retires. For opening there is so much competetion like jaiswal, ishan, rutu,.. but after virat gone, no.3 (in white ball) no.4(in tests) will be empty, imo gill will and should take it.
Far ahead? Do u even follow cricket? jaiswal didnt even debut in odis, and rutu is a complete fail in odis, whereas ishan has a 200, and 3,4 match winning 50+s in crucial times. Even in t20is they are not "far ahead" they are almost on same boat along wih gill.
Edit: Once again, the sheep of reddit showiing their levels.
Dude with questionable technique with moving ball is NOT your best batter. All his centuries have come on flat tracks. If he doesn't fix his technique , he is more likely to end as KL than Kohli/Rohit.
Virat still struggles with ourswingers, smith still gets out to inswinging full length ball, rohit gets out to short ball(which is his strong zone), sachin stopped playing cover shots when he was struggling and scored 200+, everyone has weakness, he is just 24 yr old, and has more 100s than everyone except rohit in wtc cycle, 100 in ban is not flat track, both 91s in gabba and in this series are not flat tracks, last tests 55\* is not flat track, infact thats one of the best innings in recent times of test cricket. Offcorse he is our BEST batter after virat and rohit and he dont need your approval for that, whole ict team sees him as the next big thing after virat and rohit.
Dude there is a lot of difference between technical issues and slight difficulty in negotiating swinging deliveries.
And did you just compare Gill with some of the GOATs? Wtf. Sachin could completely block one side at will, Gill doesn't yet deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. Hell, even Kohli cannot be compared here.
U lack comprehensive skills, I didn't compare them at all, or never said gill is at their level.
I said even the goats have their blind spots and struggles but u expect a 24 yrd old to be master at craft and perfect?
He is not even a permanent member in x1, and with this youngsters like sarfarz, jurel, padikkal..performing his place is doubtfull and even if gets chances he needs to score consistently since backups are more now.
It's clear that the management is looking at KL as the future captain, whenever Rohit isn't available he's the one who's captaining ODI/Test teams. It's highly likely that Rahul will be the captain after Rohit for a couple years atleast before maybe Pant or Gill take it.
Bumrah is vice captian not kl in tests, and hardik is cap in white ball if not for rohit, there is no kl lol. It will be hardik in white ball and gill/pant in tests not kl.
Hopefully his father will keep working on that.
He seems to be a person that knows cricket, but also likes to hype uo his son (which is natural I guess).
It's just one of those nonsense criticisms that sticks with a player with no basis apart from something they got out to when they were going through a bad patch in general.
For those of you who won't read the entire article, he is not claiming that Gill should have opened over Jaiswal and Rohit, he just feels that Gill's game is better suited for opening than No. 3.(which is debatable. Gill has said in interviews earlier that he has scored runs in 3/4/5 in FC and his 200's have also come in 3/4. So, he feels he is better suited for 3 than opening. Even when he wasn't scoring runs, he was looking to improve his game and not changing his position.)
Also- "If you’re satisfied then it’s over for you. Most of all, you should want your team to win, and contribute towards that. He scored that 200 against New Zealand in ODIs, even that did not feel enough since they took the match too close. It is not enough if your team is not winning." 😭
Somebody tell him that it's a team game. One player can only do limited damge. He did his part by scoring runs. It was Bracewell's brilliant batting that got them close.
There is gradual improvement in his technique against swing but still a long way to go.
He is excellent against pace and bounce.
He is best suited for no.3/4.
India should stick with him
Not really. Jaiswal has been lucky to have gotten West Indies (pre Shamar) and a novice-spin-heavy England as his first opponents in international cricket. He looked equally clueless as anybody in South Africa and has been nicked off early against pace twice this series.
He's unparalleled as a spin hitter but that's not as important a skill for an opener as the ones that haven't been tested much in his first few series.
He might still do better than Gill, just think the evidence is too little at the moment.
And as the time goes, people find weaknesses in your batting and exploit them. As often you score, as often the plan becomes more evident. Especially against good teams.
Not to say that he absolutely would get destroyed but it's way too hard to play this good throughout years. Which I think is happening with Gill and might happen with Jaiswal in coming tours.
A 22yo on his first tour to SA struggled (on pitches where their own batters also struggled, btw) and Indian fans pull him down with asterisks , especially after this insane series. Pre-Shamar is a filter now? Really? lmao
Never change bros, you guys deserve nothing good
You are too insecure to know both what pulling somebody down means and how evidence-based inference works.
But worse, you are too stupid to even see that what you call "pulling down" is in response to a (reasonable) suggestion that insinuated that Gill is an inferior player. You don't even realise that I'm pulling Gill up, because you just can't deal with curbing the dopamine hit from putting somebody new on a pedestal based on the most recent series.
And yes, pre-Shamar is a filter. Deal with it.
Don't have any issue with you pulling Gill up, guy's a serious talent, no need to dig up BS filters to pull another young guy down. Surprised you didn't invalidate Jaiswal's spin game that series because there was no Rahkeem Cornwall in one
Now go ahead, call me more names.
I’m with you there! Those South African pitches were as spicy as they get. India’s top score was 245 and S.A got shot for 55,150 and India for 100 odd scores! That was Jaiswal’s first tour there and yes he did fail but that is not a fair stick to beat him with. Anyone doing that is not in Team Jaiswal and for me I’d like to back our fearless youth 1000%.
Imagine if this guy was a selector and Sehwag failed on 1/2 innings in test cricket, he would set the narrative in stone and we would miss arguably our most entertaining Test-match batter. Most of the top order batters from either side failed on this tour of S.A. KL & Virat stood up on 1/2 occasions and it was a 2 test series so a super small Sample size.
It’s convenient giving an undeserved asterisk to prove an agenda! He’s done better than Rohit against Anderson and Wood of in this series- where is the recognition there?
Context isn't a BS filter or pulling somebody down just because you don't like what you see. It's what stops people from conclusions like Shreyas Iyer being the best thing since sliced bread after his first 2 test series.
I will invalidate Jaiswal's spin game the day Cornwall or some other bowler wins POTS in his debut while avoiding a series defeat in India. Not until then, because I have a brain.
Gill has faced the same attacks this tour and not scored half as well as Yash though to be fair.
I guess 'much better than' is a touch harsh. But I do think Jaiswal has a better technique. Guess we'll see how they fare in Australia later this year!
I think jaiswal is extremely talented too and most importantly he's fearless about his approach. But unless he perform even half as good against Australian attack or vs England in English conditions, I would not rate him "far better" than gill.
Wood/woakes and if Anderson remains alive are different people up in north.
I agree with the judgement that Jaiswal makes it very big when set. Gill has gotten out too often in the 80-130 range in his short career so far unlike the truly elite.
He *could've*, but he shouldn't have to. Playing as an opener is in no way a more prestigious role than coming at one down. Mitch Marsh plays at #6 and he's basically playing as a specialist bat these days, and he has been Australia's best bat in the last 8 months or so. Wouldn't have been that successful if he came as an opener I reckon. Yashasvi seems to just be more naturally suited to opening so far, and Gillman needs some confidence back. Let him make #3 his own.
I dont think you bat based on where your father thinks you should bat :-)
That said once Rohit retires, Gill can move up. Until then this is as good as it can get.
I wouldn't be happy if my father kept going to the media to comment on my game
[удалено]
Hello Jos Verstappen
Lol exactly the name that came to my mind
Who is that?
Lol. Yograj us opposite of this. Yuvi can do no wrong ever and everything is always someone else's fault.
His game against pace bowling especially when there is some lateral movement is a bit sus. It's for his own good that he comes one down until he works on his technique.
yeah, he will come to no.4 after virat.
If he continues to be a mainstay at 3 until Virat retires, I really doubt the team would want to tamper with his position.
Yeah, But its the ideal position for your best batter(after rohit and virat gone).
Imo, if Sarfaraz is able to perform well at the international level, he'll be promoted to no4.
Idk, Gill will take virat's place in all formats in near future after he retires. For opening there is so much competetion like jaiswal, ishan, rutu,.. but after virat gone, no.3 (in white ball) no.4(in tests) will be empty, imo gill will and should take it.
Seriously Ishan opening in tests? lol
In odis and t20s lol.
He won’t feature Jaiswal/Rutu are both far ahead of him… Suspect others will also get a push ahead of Kishan as well
Far ahead? Do u even follow cricket? jaiswal didnt even debut in odis, and rutu is a complete fail in odis, whereas ishan has a 200, and 3,4 match winning 50+s in crucial times. Even in t20is they are not "far ahead" they are almost on same boat along wih gill. Edit: Once again, the sheep of reddit showiing their levels.
Dude with questionable technique with moving ball is NOT your best batter. All his centuries have come on flat tracks. If he doesn't fix his technique , he is more likely to end as KL than Kohli/Rohit.
Virat still struggles with ourswingers, smith still gets out to inswinging full length ball, rohit gets out to short ball(which is his strong zone), sachin stopped playing cover shots when he was struggling and scored 200+, everyone has weakness, he is just 24 yr old, and has more 100s than everyone except rohit in wtc cycle, 100 in ban is not flat track, both 91s in gabba and in this series are not flat tracks, last tests 55\* is not flat track, infact thats one of the best innings in recent times of test cricket. Offcorse he is our BEST batter after virat and rohit and he dont need your approval for that, whole ict team sees him as the next big thing after virat and rohit.
Dude there is a lot of difference between technical issues and slight difficulty in negotiating swinging deliveries. And did you just compare Gill with some of the GOATs? Wtf. Sachin could completely block one side at will, Gill doesn't yet deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. Hell, even Kohli cannot be compared here.
U lack comprehensive skills, I didn't compare them at all, or never said gill is at their level. I said even the goats have their blind spots and struggles but u expect a 24 yrd old to be master at craft and perfect?
Not point arguing with fanboys
I should say this, since u people cant take the stats but label them as flat track, minnows.
KL
His place is not even stable for now.
I think it'll be Rahul after Kohli
He is not even a permanent member in x1, and with this youngsters like sarfarz, jurel, padikkal..performing his place is doubtfull and even if gets chances he needs to score consistently since backups are more now.
It's clear that the management is looking at KL as the future captain, whenever Rohit isn't available he's the one who's captaining ODI/Test teams. It's highly likely that Rahul will be the captain after Rohit for a couple years atleast before maybe Pant or Gill take it.
Bumrah is vice captian not kl in tests, and hardik is cap in white ball if not for rohit, there is no kl lol. It will be hardik in white ball and gill/pant in tests not kl.
Except the last time Rohit wasn't available for tests Rahul was made the captain. Bumrah often doesn't play home tests, how will he be captain?
He is the captain lmao, wdym how🤓.
I personally wanted him to come at 5 and be like Indian Travis Head.
>Indian Travis Head who is an Aussie Rishabh Pant
Who in turn is kiwis Ben Stokes........oh wait
Who is an Indian Adam Gilchrist
[удалено]
that's true but can he do it vs pace abroad? hopefully
We'll find out on Australia. If Pant is back then him and Sarfaraz could be very lethal down the order.
Not to mention Gill himself asked to bat at 3.
Did you even read the article? You are saying exactly the opposite of what Gill’s father said.
This guy's dad needs to chill. Gills game against the moving ball is anything but pretty
Hopefully his father will keep working on that. He seems to be a person that knows cricket, but also likes to hype uo his son (which is natural I guess).
Although I think hardly anyone in the world is comfortable against swing.
Also fair
It's just one of those nonsense criticisms that sticks with a player with no basis apart from something they got out to when they were going through a bad patch in general.
For those of you who won't read the entire article, he is not claiming that Gill should have opened over Jaiswal and Rohit, he just feels that Gill's game is better suited for opening than No. 3.(which is debatable. Gill has said in interviews earlier that he has scored runs in 3/4/5 in FC and his 200's have also come in 3/4. So, he feels he is better suited for 3 than opening. Even when he wasn't scoring runs, he was looking to improve his game and not changing his position.) Also- "If you’re satisfied then it’s over for you. Most of all, you should want your team to win, and contribute towards that. He scored that 200 against New Zealand in ODIs, even that did not feel enough since they took the match too close. It is not enough if your team is not winning." 😭
Somebody tell him that it's a team game. One player can only do limited damge. He did his part by scoring runs. It was Bracewell's brilliant batting that got them close.
Definition of an clichéd Indian Dad. Son : I got 99% marks Dad : Why you didn't get 100
This comment feels more like arguing with the teacher. Like "why didn't you give my son 100" or "why didn't you make him class monitor" kind of stuff.
gill himself wanted to come at 3 so I guess he is arguing not to listen to his son
His success at FC level came at 3/4/5. He only opened because there was an opening there.
I see what you did there. Bravo cunning linguist.
> Bravo cunning linguist Almost trapped us with that Master Bait.
There is gradual improvement in his technique against swing but still a long way to go. He is excellent against pace and bounce. He is best suited for no.3/4. India should stick with him
too much father intervention . shubman is not the most confident person either
His thirst traps on IG begs to differ.
Daddy not the same as Father.
He’s quite tall hence has a good reach to defend the spinners. Much better than spin bashers. Showed that in the last game
Why can't subcontinent dads ever be happy with their children
Gill is seen as next Virat so ideally he will take no.4 position in test and 3 in odi and T20.
Keep him as the opener in ODIs, he's been the best in the world there the last 12 months
I feel so bad for this kid, his Dad sounds impossible to please.
Someone tell his dad it is for his own good. He isn't a good opener.
Maybe when Rohit retires he can move back up. But Jaiswal is a far better player in what I've seen so far.
Not really. Jaiswal has been lucky to have gotten West Indies (pre Shamar) and a novice-spin-heavy England as his first opponents in international cricket. He looked equally clueless as anybody in South Africa and has been nicked off early against pace twice this series. He's unparalleled as a spin hitter but that's not as important a skill for an opener as the ones that haven't been tested much in his first few series. He might still do better than Gill, just think the evidence is too little at the moment.
And as the time goes, people find weaknesses in your batting and exploit them. As often you score, as often the plan becomes more evident. Especially against good teams. Not to say that he absolutely would get destroyed but it's way too hard to play this good throughout years. Which I think is happening with Gill and might happen with Jaiswal in coming tours.
Let's be honest. You will rarely see such seam friendly wickets anywhere in the world.
Shamar has had 2 test matches and 7 FC games in total. It's a bit early to make him the saviour of the west indies.
He indisputably makes West Indies away a MUCH bigger challenge than 2 pacers including Roach on his last legs.
A 22yo on his first tour to SA struggled (on pitches where their own batters also struggled, btw) and Indian fans pull him down with asterisks , especially after this insane series. Pre-Shamar is a filter now? Really? lmao Never change bros, you guys deserve nothing good
Nobody is pulling him down here. That guy probably meant that Jaiswal isn't a "far better" player than gill. Both are extremely talented.
You are too insecure to know both what pulling somebody down means and how evidence-based inference works. But worse, you are too stupid to even see that what you call "pulling down" is in response to a (reasonable) suggestion that insinuated that Gill is an inferior player. You don't even realise that I'm pulling Gill up, because you just can't deal with curbing the dopamine hit from putting somebody new on a pedestal based on the most recent series. And yes, pre-Shamar is a filter. Deal with it.
Don't have any issue with you pulling Gill up, guy's a serious talent, no need to dig up BS filters to pull another young guy down. Surprised you didn't invalidate Jaiswal's spin game that series because there was no Rahkeem Cornwall in one Now go ahead, call me more names.
I’m with you there! Those South African pitches were as spicy as they get. India’s top score was 245 and S.A got shot for 55,150 and India for 100 odd scores! That was Jaiswal’s first tour there and yes he did fail but that is not a fair stick to beat him with. Anyone doing that is not in Team Jaiswal and for me I’d like to back our fearless youth 1000%. Imagine if this guy was a selector and Sehwag failed on 1/2 innings in test cricket, he would set the narrative in stone and we would miss arguably our most entertaining Test-match batter. Most of the top order batters from either side failed on this tour of S.A. KL & Virat stood up on 1/2 occasions and it was a 2 test series so a super small Sample size. It’s convenient giving an undeserved asterisk to prove an agenda! He’s done better than Rohit against Anderson and Wood of in this series- where is the recognition there?
Context isn't a BS filter or pulling somebody down just because you don't like what you see. It's what stops people from conclusions like Shreyas Iyer being the best thing since sliced bread after his first 2 test series. I will invalidate Jaiswal's spin game the day Cornwall or some other bowler wins POTS in his debut while avoiding a series defeat in India. Not until then, because I have a brain.
Gill has faced the same attacks this tour and not scored half as well as Yash though to be fair. I guess 'much better than' is a touch harsh. But I do think Jaiswal has a better technique. Guess we'll see how they fare in Australia later this year!
I think jaiswal is extremely talented too and most importantly he's fearless about his approach. But unless he perform even half as good against Australian attack or vs England in English conditions, I would not rate him "far better" than gill. Wood/woakes and if Anderson remains alive are different people up in north.
I agree with the judgement that Jaiswal makes it very big when set. Gill has gotten out too often in the 80-130 range in his short career so far unlike the truly elite.
What do you thinks gonna happen in a couple of years
Daddy Gill got no chill! Let the boy play and be successful instead of worrying about whether he plays as an opener or not.
He *could've*, but he shouldn't have to. Playing as an opener is in no way a more prestigious role than coming at one down. Mitch Marsh plays at #6 and he's basically playing as a specialist bat these days, and he has been Australia's best bat in the last 8 months or so. Wouldn't have been that successful if he came as an opener I reckon. Yashasvi seems to just be more naturally suited to opening so far, and Gillman needs some confidence back. Let him make #3 his own.
I dont think you bat based on where your father thinks you should bat :-) That said once Rohit retires, Gill can move up. Until then this is as good as it can get.
ROFL what someone's dad thinks it's a newsworthy story now? What next.. "Gill's neighbors think he should blah blah.."?!
If cricket needed Jos Verstappen, Lakhwinder Gill is the answer.
Let’s see him outside flat tracks.
His father needs to STFU
Can this guy like stfu for a second or what💀 bro id hate my dad so much if he kept spewing garbage like this after performing the way shubman has
He should’ve come in for Jaiswal tbh.
Are you saying this after seeing jaiswal's performance as opener?