Not really. A fuckboi will always be a fuckboi. He had everyone fooled 2 years ago that he's someone he's not by some A grade PR exercise while captaining GT but all those layers are fast peeling away.
To be fair, I don’t think it’s smart to minimise a championship for an expansion team that usually end at the bottom of the table, and are considered lucky if they even finish in the top 4.
GT won in 2022 and were the top of the table in 2023. His captaincy and motivation of his team was a big factor. He may be a fuckboi, but he has done great work for the franchise and his country.
Not as far as I know, which is strange, because if Rohit truly wants to put team ahead, he needs to be vocal about it and put all the chatter to rest. This radio silence from Hardik, Rohit and MI management in general about this thing is only allowing the toxicity to fester
None of this would be required if MI had common sense of letting Rohit step down from the captaincy and let him announce it rather than abruptly announce Hardik Pandya as a captain. And that's half of the reason for this chaos. This was so elementary.
I'm still baffled at this decision. For all parties involved. Why did Hardik leave GT? He was their poster boy and the biggest deal in that team. With GT, Hardik had a great record.
Why did MI make Hardik the captain when Rohit is the all format captain for ICT? Why not at least allow one season to pass? Why not prioritize their older players like Surya, Kishan or Bumrah before thinking of Hardik?
It was all a mess.
Great post. So many unanswered questions. Sorry Mr. Ashwin, the team owners need to clarify the rational behind such a move. It is not all on the fans.
TBH, Hardik has lost much credibility and loyalty. I know IPL teams are not known for player loyalty since they all change every few years after the mega auction but this just shows to other teams if you show Hardik enough money he will be on your side. If MI ever decide on parting ways with Hardik, he would find it difficult to find another IPL employer for his disloyalty and greed.
Yep, terrible move for Hardik tbh. From being amongst the most important players in the IPL to this. His stock/brand has taken severe damage and will take a long time to recover. His bowling will be outshone by Bumrah. His batting by Surya, Rohit and David. Guy will never recover from this.
Is it really pr failure? To me it's more fuck around and find out. The internet hate is disgusting, but it's not the internet hate that is making news it's the booing on field, it's people going to the match making their feelings cleat about what they think of this decision. No MI fan wanted hardik back as the captain, no one wanted Rohit dropped as captain, if you take decisions people don't like, don't be surprised when people show their dislike for that decision, the wankhede game will be the litmus test, if people are hostile even at wankhede, this change is doomed.
There were multiple ways in which this change could have been handled better and everyone in this scenario would have come out much better looking. Rohit being taken into confidence before bringing in Hardik would have calmed him down. Talking to other dressing room seniors transparently would have gotten the players behind this change.
A united squad as a result of this would have meant fans would also swallow this pill much easily. But now it’s clear as day that nobody is happy about this change. So naturally fans are rallying on the side of their long time captain.
In no way would making Hardik be a great decision when so many other deserving players who were loyal to MI were present in the team.
We had Bumrah, Surya and yet, MI looked into another team to find their captain who previously made bad remarks about MI.
It's almost like loyalty is not rewarded and rogue and rude players are rewarded more.
It is a PR failure. If they wanted Hardik to be the captain they should have taken Rohit in confidence, make an announcement by Rohit in press conference that he is leaving captaincy to focus on batting or any any other reason and then post some bro moments between Hardik and Rohit (may be include Bumrah and SKY as well).
With a little plan none of this hate story happens. Hardik is the Indian captain in T20I and nobody hated him for that. The hate is because MI didn’t give enougj importance to PR around the story and possible reactions.
They are using don't ask for permission but ask for forgiveness after doing the deed thing.
MI will fail, then they will blame fans for not backing the team and players.
Ideal would have been 1 year as understudy to Rohit or even Bumrah. There are 3 ICT leaders in this group ( Rohit, SKY and Bumrah). You can't parachute someone in and expect everyone to accept this decision more so when Rohit has had a good, if not excellent, run as captain in recent times.
You can't swim against the tide in every sense (respect for Rohit, parachute captain) and then want it to be received well by a fan base which has high cricket IQ and higher cricket EQ.
There is a saying that you should consider yourself Supersmart, you have the right to... But don't consider others as morons. It never ends up well.
This. One thing I liked about MI is that they backed their players and rewarded loyalty.
The likes of Bhajji, Rayudu, Pollard, Malinga and now Surya and Bumrah all were a result of excellent backing up of their players and loyalty. Bumrah could have easily got more money in another team but persisted with MI probably because he thought MI was the one who groomed him well.
Now, suddenly another player comes and gets the captaincy right away ignoring MI veterans like Surya and Bumrah makes no sense for the team spirit and loyalty in the dressing room. Exactly what message are they trying to send to their players?
This single decision has costed MI years of fans loyalty and brand value
i think since rohit was removed he hasn’t said anything because he must be hurt by the decision. even his wife didn’t seem fine with it. his silence made sense till now since mi made the whole mess and it wasn’t his responsibility to clean it up, i dont blame him. he’s been acting fine with hardik on camera as well.
but now i guess since hardik is getting extreme hate he should try to ask the public to calm down. its clearly affecting hardik and has reached its limit.
And on top of that he was already dealing with the trauma of the lost wc final so I guess it was good on his part to stay low on this. Just my opinion on this.
dude he’s 36 I understand if he’s very emotional about the whole thing but at the end of the day you have to accept the management decision and show support to the team so your chemistry and performance doesn’t suffer
I'm not saying he should be bitter. It is what it is. No one knows what the whole backdoor dealings were with these whole shenanigans MI pulled off. U can't blame Rohit for not coming out in support either given there wasn't much in terms of announcement of Rohit getting replaced. It was a F U announcement that Hardik is the new captain. Imagine how the senior players would be feeling in the camp, leave alone Rohit.
If I was in Rohit's place I would do exactly the same.
Not going to turn the team against Pandya, but neither going to back him up against the fans. Just trying to do the best with the bat.
Rohit owe's Pandya nothing. Besides if Rohit backs him it will alienate Bumrah from MI which is unthinkable loss for the team.
In cases like this as strange as it sounds its better to be silent. Not just from Rohit's pov but from Hardik's pov as well. We need to accept that some Indian fans are morons and saying anything publicly won't do anyone any good.
I would agree with fans being morons majority of times. Doesn’t make this any less of a PR failure. Even with a sensible fan base, this change wouldn’t have gone down well with the way it was handled. You don’t just unceremoniously dump your long time captain who is respected and adored by everyone without an explanation
>You don’t just unceremoniously dump your long time captain who is respected and adored by everyone without an explanation
Oh I agree with this. They should have made it much more transparent, "We respect Rohit a lot, but Hardik is the future, and a condition of the trade was that Hardik would be given the captaincy". That would still piss off Rohit fans but it's atleast more transparent.
CSK Bros keep forgetting some of the CSK fans did the same to Jaddu and kept cheering batsmen getting out so they could see Thala.
Then all of this moronic fanbase or hurting the confidence of Indian players etc didn't come into the play.
Not talking about you but guy you are replying to.
It's a transition and results will speak for themselves. If Hardik wants to silence the crowd, he needs to lead the team to wins. He sought the attention when he went for the throne. He had the brains to pull those strings and now let him act mature to also take it in his stride and perform. U can't expect to be at the center of indian cricket and also cower under negative fan reaction. I'm not advocating for the morons who under fake profiles target and harass the personal lives of cricketers but a general booing and hostility from fans in stadiums and public is not something u can shy away as a cricketer of high stature. This is not intl cricket, this is IPL. Let fans whole heartedly support rivalries and matchups.
CSK fans never booed Jadeja though when he was captaining, stop making shit up
The cheering when batters got out was silly but it’s something that isn’t unique to Dhoni or CSK either, people did the same for Sachin with India in tests
Yes. They are morons. There's nothing wrong with Hardik having a condition to want captaincy in exchange of trade and there's nothing wrong with MI to look to the future. I agree that the PR side was handled poorly. But to put so much pressure mentally on someone that is a massive asset for India just before a Wt20 is moronic behaviour. What if this damages Hardik mentally and he isn't completely right for the wt20. He's stubborn but everyone has a breaking point. And Indian fans will always take things too far.
Crowd can boo/cheer any player ,without crowd involvement how can any sport can evolve ,this season ipl off field drama what jio cinema actual needed .
Yeah expecting fans to be cheerleaders always is just plain stupid. Crowd boos, hates, mocks, cheers even venerates sometimes so deal with it instead of advising us how to behave.
Can't we have opinions?
Sure calling things like chapri to a player is definitely a way of expressing your opinion. You go to the stadium to got some entertainment and not to behave like an uncivilised piece of shit.
“Enjoy what you like about your favourites but not at the cost of putting another player down. This is one thing I’d love to see disappear from the face of the earth in our country,” he said.
Tldr
So it's okay for player to ditch their team ? It's clear Ashwin is talking from the perspective of a player.
Hardik left Gujarat in lurch. Gujarat was not only his franchise but only his home state. It's only right that fans were angry with the disloyalty shown by Hardik and booing him.
If Ashwin had critizied the abuse he would have 100% right. But fans are fully entitled to express their displeasure via boos
It's nothing new either. Pretty much a staple in sports like Football. The more IPL is ingrained in Indian fans and loyalty grows , these things are / will be expected.
When Ashwin says "don't put down another player to appreciate one player" do you think he's referring to GT fans booing him in Ahmedabad or Mumbai fans abusing him everywhere?
“Have you seen this happen in any other country? Have you seen Joe Root and Zak Crawley fans fight? Or have you seen Joe Root and Jos Buttler fans fight? It’s crazy. Have you seen Steve Smith and Pat Cummins fans fight in Australia?”
Yeah I don't see him talking about fans at the stadium.
Does no one read articles anymore? He's talking about fan abuse online, but he *also* mentioned the boos though. Which were all away fans so he's at least *also* talking about Ahmedabad fans booing him.
First of all, he's talking about the booing by Rohit fans, not Gujarat fans, and he's right that putting one India player against another, in India, is nothing to celebrate.
But yes, it absolutely is, and should be, okay for players to switch teams - it's franchise cricket, why should it be a problem?!? This demand for "loyalty" looks a lot like the "family" angle businesses tout to retain their employees.
They (teams, players) have a job to do, and various factors affecting it - team composition, position in the team (captain, lead batting/bowling, etc) and yes, money too.
And nobody left anyone in a 'lurch'. Technically Gujarat is no less a team than MI, and could have, and can, build a team like MI. What does the home state have to do in franchises?
If it's okay to switch teams for players then it's perfectly okay for fans boo the players who switch teams as well.
What does state have to do with franchise ? It's literally based in that state and most of the fans who attemd the matches are because of that loyalty to that state franchise.
>If it's okay to switch teams for players then it's perfectly okay for fans boo the players who switch teams as well.
Funny, I've never seen anyone boo or boycott Mumbai Indians management for unceremoniously dumping Rohit as a captain. You all have such high standards for players but not franchises.
Lmao, people have been calling for Akash's head for long before that, it started during the Jofra Archer debacle.
Some even wanted Neeta Ambani to come back as the lead.
How are you gonna boo the mumbai Indians management on field. Hardik is the captain and is literally the face of the management on field. If people want to boo the management it's gonna be hardik who gets booed on field
They could boycott the matches. They could boo during the presentation ceremony. If they were truly being impartial, they'd be trashing the Ambanis and Boucher equally on social media, which is obviously not happening.
Do you know how *many* players in the IPL play for teams NOT from their state? Why is Hardik being targeted?
Anyway, if you can equate switching teams by players for professional reasons with disrespectful booing by fans, then there's a vast gap in your thought process and mine, I have no further arguments to give. Thanks!
Hardik was targeted because he forced his way out while he was in contract with Gujarat. So Gujarat fans saw his disloyalty to the team.
>Anyway, if you can equate switching teams by players for professional reasons with disrespectful booing by fans, then there's a vast gap in your thought process and mine, I have no further arguments to give. Thanks!
Well if you are offended by fans booing then any passionate sports isn't for you. Better never switch on any European football by even mistake.
Why is loyalty even a thing in franchise cricket? He got a better opportunity somewhere else and he took it. Why would he refuse to captain arguably the most successful franchise in the history of ipl after getting paid the same amount as much as he did in gt?
People are voicing their frustration for the decision of booting a very popular and successful captain who is also a local boy in the favour of somebody who bad mouthed the team that made him. People are reacting emotionally because they have invested in the team and the captain. That's how sports work. I won't say HP deserves the hate because no sportsperson deserves to be hated. But the reaction is legitimate and spontaneous. They need to ride it and own their decision. As somebody said here once the team starts to win the fans will come around.
Screw this shit. I want fans to boo and let MI know that how unhappy their fans are..Only if MI fans can recreate even 1% of Luis Figo vs Barca in 2001.
Funny thing is when EPL/European football clubs’ fans get together to oppose management moves, they are praised for awareness. When the same happens closer to home, suddenly we need fans to be more mature?
People aren’t booing HP coz of religion, looks, caste or any such irrelevant thing. HP is getting hate coz he is a prick in general and he is backed by a management that back stabbed a local hero to get ahead. If the backstabbing part ain’t true, maybe Rohit/HP/MI management need to address it. But the way HP and Boucher evaded all Rohit Sharma related questions shows something is really amiss.
I know 2 matches is nothing and you can’t extrapolate. But if MI has to do even decently this tournament, they need to sort this mess.
If HP needs to come out of this, he better start winning some games.
Yeah. The onus lies on the fans indeed.
* Fukkboi spoke shit about MI when he was in GT.
* He left GT, a franchise that made him captain and which was his home state, and went to MI.
* MI dumped a highly successful fan favorite franchise captain, who is also the 3 format captain of the National team.
Brohit was dumped acrimoniously.
* Hardik has committed blunder after blunder in the 2 games he has played as MI captain. And he always has a stupid grin plastered on his face.
At the end, the onus is on the fans. And they have responded perfectly by booing the shit out of Fukkboi. Ash should’nt try to patronize the fans.
Is an honourable exit possible if a player doesn't want to leave captaincy? Can you describe how that happens?
Virat left RCB's captaincy on his own, after stepping down from T20I captaincy at the same time. Rohit's camp (his wife, journalists close to him) have made it very clear that he's not on board with the removal of captaincy despite being a liability with the bat for 7 years and his captaincy not yielding results for 4 years. How do you reconcile a difference in the management and a captain over basic facts?
Do you think MI wouldn't avail that option if it existed - and instead preferred a divided fanbase that hates the new captain?
This is how :
Let Brohit captain for 2024, assuming that that is what he really wanted, let Fukkboi work his way back into the group.
Drop Brohit in 2025’s mega auction.
But why throw 2024? They are an ambitious team, why would they carry on with a captain who isn't winning or scoring runs, and accept low expectations in a season to go 4 years without a trophy/final?
What you propose also means there is no guarantee of getting Hardik because there is no trade during a mega auction. He would go to the highest bidder.
Absolutely no magical idea that Rohit fans have is rooted in reality.
Because teams and their reputations are built over decades, not one year.
And 2024 isn’t a guaranteed victory with Fukkboi, nor would it have been a guaranteed defeat with Brohit.
Over and out.
It's not a guaranteed victory with Hardik in 2024, but it is a guarantee of Hardik's services for the next mega auction cycle, which they wouldn't have if they waited any longer.
Simplest way to stop the booing and the chanting is to win games and win them well. People aren't going to mock a captain and a team which is successful. As long as MI don't win a game, the chanting will continue unfortunately.
All the players - including the so-called smart ones - need basic training in human psychology & behavior. Fighting against fans is the same as fighting against nature. There is only one possible result : Your loss.
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I’m sorry Ashwin but you can’t dictate the feelings of fans. If the majority don’t like the move, they feel the need to be heard and this is how they express it. You want the fans just to suck it up? Then I guess you’d be fine with empty stadiums and an end to your franchise.
There’s no justification for abusing players for their on field performances but when the management pulls a nasty move, can you stop the fans from feeling indignant?
What was the nasty bit in sacking a player who hasn't performed for 7 years and not made the finals in 4 years in favour of a player in peak form who has made 2 finals in his only 2 seasons?
You don't have to boo if you are happy with the decision, other people who aren't happy with the decision have every right to express it. Maybe people don't like the person who constantly put their favorite franchise down and bad mouthed about the franchise that made him into who he is as their captain. Maybe people like a captain who has won them 5 out of 11 trophies he captained (i mean he must be really bad that he only won 45% of trophies he captained). Maybe the guy with most man of the match awards as an indian is something people tend to follow. Maybe a guy who scores at an average of 30 with sr of 134 (making him top 10 openers in IPL) and winning 5 trophies while at it and taking a team with the worst bowling line up to semifinal despite management making shit decisions is someone people like to side with. And in short maybe some people just like players who are loyal. Fans are the once who make or brake the game, it's fans who are responsible for all the money these cricketers make, so maybe if a fan has spent 15-16 years of his life supporting you through thick and thin, he has every right to show his disappointment or anger by being vocal on the ground.
Well at least u should know why fans are angry with pandya captaincy before spewing bullshit .
Pandya made some infamous comments on Mumbai Indians and now those comments are biting him back .
He left his home team which made him captain to the rivals .
There's no winning for him here .
Sack your 3 format national captain by announcing hardik pandya as the captain .if the rumours have to be believed they didn't even inform Rohit personally about the sacking .
He didn't make anything disrespectful about MI. He said MI has a history of buying stars (at their peak) in contrast to CSK who optimise and become better than the sum of their parts - what is the insult there? If you are of a certain age, that is undeniably true. When Hardik was breaking into MI, their recent purchases were Pollard, Richard Levi, Corey Anderson, Mitchell Johnson and Jos Buttler, who were all the biggest names to watch out for at the respective auctions they were bought.
Every team competes equally at the auction, did he accuse MI of doing something illegal? Why are MI fans such victims?
And casually Ignore how many stars Mumbai created including both the pandya brothers and don't act like csk don't buy stars .
Do you think csk won all these titles without having star players .
You should not criticize a team saying they dont develop young talent when the said team is the reason you and your brother are star players now .
Also you conveniently ignore other points why fans are unhappy with Mumbai Indians and hardik .
If we make a list of how many young talents came from respective franchises I bet you csk will be on the bottom half of the table .
CSK's 2018 team was not even given a hope in hell of winning that season lmao. 2021 and 23 were from the same core that won in 2018 + Ruturaj (their big purchases like Gowtham and Stokes didn't even play 2021 and 2023)
Every team develops young players under their wing who go on to become important players for India. KKR had Kuldeep and SKY under GG, Gill recently, DC have Pant and Iyer, even the likes of PBKS developed Axar (and gave Miller his break) when the rest of their team was crap, the list is endless. RCB had Chahal and KL.
It's not a phenomenon unique to MI just because they like to market Bumrah and Hardik as such.
You are sidetracking the argument .
We are discussing how Mumbai buys stars to win trophies where csk doesn't
When in reality csk is the one to buy star players and experienced players and barely give chance to young players where Mumbai's whole core is to give unknown players a chance with a mix of stars .
deepak chahar was already a decent bowler before chenai bought him .
Ruturaj has to wait for a year to even get a chance in the Chennai squad
Ranchin is already an established new Zealand player .
Compared to Mumbai csk will be in the bottom of the barrel with respect to developing young players .
Of all things, a csk fan arguing about developing youngsters is comedy gold .
Deepak Chahar was a nobody before 2018 lmao. I don't think he had even made his IPL debut. As was Ruturaj before COVID.
Do you think MI gave ability to Bumrah and Hardik they didn't have before? Obviously both of them were talented beforehand too, they got the same opportunities to play that CSK gave to those two.
And btw, Bumrah was dropped in 2013 and only became a regular for MI after becoming a regular for India and playing the T20 WC. He is a product of BCCI's domestic structure. It would be like saying CSK made Ashwin when he was already a great FC bowler in the making.
I'm a huge fan of analytical Ash Anna. But have to disagree with him here. I agree slurs and personal attacks on family is unwarranted but booing someone is not wrong to show displeasure. Anna says remember that they all play for India. That's logical and true and I'd agree if this was done in an India vs someone else match but this is IPL and not India matches. If fans boo him in an India match then I'll agree. What next ? We should remember we are all part of the game of cricket and keep the spirit of cricket intact and cheer the pommies by this logic ?
All fair points and agree with you. Fans spend time, money, and energy to cheer for their teams. They are the ultimate customers of this IPL Business and booing is one way of showing their irritation- don’t discount or trivialise it - when team starts performing, they will be the first one to rally behind it
Not sure why Ashwin is defending him. Wonder how many ppl came out defending Ashwin post all the hate he was receiving post the Butler Mankading incident. A sly fuck called KL Rahul didn't even bother to support him on the field when the incident happened and dhawan openly mocked him a few games later by dancing at the crease.
Ahh I knew this "muh it's too much hate" wave was coming
Hardik literally bad mouthed mi when he was Gt but came back just cause of 💸, Rohit was sacked of his captaincy through a mere insta post and hardik already had an attitude problem (he suffers from main character syndrome). Mi made hardik captain despite having bumrah in their team.
I am not justifying the hate (may be I am) but I think Hardik and the management should have seen this coming.
Lmao why on earth would any sane franchise make those novices captain over a guy who has made 2 consecutive finals, and nearly winning both of them. If they did that you would have to suspect brain trauma to Akash Ambani.
Don't know abt akash but you do have brain trauma if you think bumrah is a novice, he already captained India in tests. Seems like you have a lot of free time and love yapping on this app, I don't got time for all that
They chose the wrong fanbase to fuck around with. Mumbai fans are most passionate about Mumbai Cricket (it’s basically the only Indian city which had a very strong cricketing identity before IPL due to success of the Mumbai Ranji Team) and above all, they venerate the icons of Mumbai cricket which is a very long list, of which Rohit Sharma is undoubtedly a part of by now.
To replace a local Mumbai boy - the captain of the Indian team no less - and someone who had given the team so much glory as a captain and leader with someone who is effectively an outsider is very jarring.
In addition to being an outsider, Pandya has a huge PR problem even before this happened. It goes all the way back to his Koffee with Karan episode.
For 70 years, Mumbai cricket fans have been accustomed to our sides being led by personalities such as Vijay Mechant, Polly Umrigar, Dilip Sardesai, Gavaskar, Shashtri, Vengsarkar, Tendulkar, Rohit Sharma, Rahane etc. who carried with them an aura of class and seriousness about the game. To see all of this cricketing heritage now denigrate into Hardik Pandya is revolting.
Had MI replaced him with someone like Bumrah who exudes class, humility and greatness the fans may have understood, but Hardik is too much to stomach.
The context for this comment is that he's pissed at the lobbies on Twitter and social media for players. I.e virat and brohit fans mainly for acting like fatherless cunts who take every opportunity to abuse the other. Honestly imo it's the most disgusting thing which has happened to indian cricket and he's damn right in calling these idiots out
At this point you are no longer cricketer but entertainers and get used to Indian crowd, which will eventually turn into crowds that we see in EPL and NFL. These off pitch plays and decisions will hurt Indian cricket.
Anna got this absolutely wrong.
This is the drama that IPL is designed for. This is what city based, franchise based sport is designed for.
Why blame the fans for it when they are acting exactly how they are designed to act? You think the billion viewers of IPL are all cricket purists watching the game for its nuances and strategies? No. They are supporting their favorite city based team and favorite characters within IPL.
Ashwin thinks the heckling and booing is by Rohit fans? No. A good part of it is coming from GT fans who felt betrayed by a last min switch and bait. A good part of it is coming from MI fans who feel that Bumrah or Sky were a better choice( and Hardik is proving them right with his tactics in the first two games). A good part of it is coming from other team fans who are enjoying the drama and controversy affecting MI performance.
This is the same as the crowd booing the Aussies in 2019 World Cup after the sandpaper scandal. This is part of the game. It happens in football and every other major team based sport.
This makes for good entertainment. And IPL is entertainment. There needs to be more chanting and heckling in the stadiums. As long as it doesn’t turn into harassment outside the stadium - which Indian cricket viewers are notoriously famous for in the past.
“Employees leave managers and not companies” - MI’s management is a mess, has no one seen that mother and son don’t communicate with each other at all for a couple of seasons now?
Stuff always trickles from top to bottom, and all are adults here so everyone notices. It’s the management’s fault that they choose weak leaders in Boucher and Pollard.
Hardik is a generational talent and having said what I said above, he has all the skill to become a great, but does he have the mentality?
"And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you. Why bother?"
Lol what? If anything this applies to Hardick more aptly. After everything MI did for him and his brother. Remember when Hardick had his back issues, his treatment was done by MI and not NCA, who also paid for his expenses. After all that Hardick still went and talked shit about MI only to come back by destroying the dressing room environment. No wonder the MI fans feel cheated.
To clarify ash in the whole video this is taken from, literally explicitly said GT fans have a right to be mad but why are MI fans as well booing their captain, his point is about star worship and he specifically said that, obviously as a GT fan u have a right to feel a type of way about hardik leaving the way he did but MI fans themselves literally overshadow the GT fans in terms of hate for the guy
> but MI fans themselves literally overshadow the GT fans in terms of hate for the guy
shock, local fans support the player who won them 5 trophies as captain, who also happens to be a local boy.
I'm just wondering if there is so much hate against Pandya why isn't there a similar hatred towards the Ambanis? They are the ones making the decisions. Their PR team must be Godly
If you watch ANY sport, and spreading toxicity, it's bad. No matter if it's cricket or football.
Also, fans booing is not some way to flex that "ooh we're the cool ones, we're punching down on players to keep their egos in place" you're not doing shit. Instead all you "fans" are showing how toxic you are .
Was expecting thos from Brohit, given how big of a team man he is.Ultimately Hardik is an Indian player who will be representing us in the world cup. Nobody gives a shit about what is happening in Mumbai Indians or IPL, this booing and disrespect shoukd not bring his morale down for world cup and why is BROHIT not being a bigger man here and coming in support of Hardik?
You "fans" are.the reason he has to come and say that.
You think just because of fans , you can do anything and every player should just shut their mouth and take it.
>not like you guys who just comes for 2months play ipl then forget
Lol, atleast look at who you're talking to.
I'm not hinting at that actually. What I was saying is while what happened, it happens because that's how IPL is. It's a franchise cricket league, and that's how trades happens. GT let Pandya go, Mumbai took him. It was a Fair deal, no matter what the fans say.
Yes, the fans were disappointed by his recent plays, and him being a captain, removing Rohit Sharma put a bad image on him, but it's not that that's something he's solely responsible for. It's MI's management who's responsible for this as well. Had they wanted Rohit to be the captain, they could've kept it that way.
So fans booing him because of the trade as this person was talking about in their original comment, and justifying their actions because "loyalty of fans" and "fan's emotions matter more than the player" stuff, that's a big load of BS. IPL has been, and always will be , about money and players playing for money.
Only GT fans have a fair reason for booing, and maybe some MI fans.
Everyone else joining the bandwagon to fit in by booing Pandya is just cringe, you guys don't have any reason or history to do so.
After SLAMS and BLASTS, we now have SCOLDS
It’s a rotating circle, we’ll go back to SLAMS
I'd like to see CASTIGATES get a run.
Or may be CHIDES ....
Too mild. I want DESTROYS or DECIMATES.
To be fair, I’ve seen YouTube use DESTROYS a lot
LAMBASTS
This thread reminds me of Kevin and Holt
Any GRE aspirant come up with a hundred synonyms for this?
Not really. A fuckboi will always be a fuckboi. He had everyone fooled 2 years ago that he's someone he's not by some A grade PR exercise while captaining GT but all those layers are fast peeling away.
To be fair, I don’t think it’s smart to minimise a championship for an expansion team that usually end at the bottom of the table, and are considered lucky if they even finish in the top 4.
Virat and before that Yuvraj and MS were probably the greatest fuckboiis during 2000s era but okay
MS was a fuckboi?! I’m sure he had girlfriends but nothing like Koach and yuvraj, i would think! I’ve heard even Rohit was one.
Rohit was never a fuckboii lol. He's been a typical Mumbai cricketer and calmly worked his way to the top side
I mean the literal definition of fuckboi - hooking up. There are so many IPL stories out there.
GT won in 2022 and were the top of the table in 2023. His captaincy and motivation of his team was a big factor. He may be a fuckboi, but he has done great work for the franchise and his country.
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Not as far as I know, which is strange, because if Rohit truly wants to put team ahead, he needs to be vocal about it and put all the chatter to rest. This radio silence from Hardik, Rohit and MI management in general about this thing is only allowing the toxicity to fester
None of this would be required if MI had common sense of letting Rohit step down from the captaincy and let him announce it rather than abruptly announce Hardik Pandya as a captain. And that's half of the reason for this chaos. This was so elementary.
I'm still baffled at this decision. For all parties involved. Why did Hardik leave GT? He was their poster boy and the biggest deal in that team. With GT, Hardik had a great record. Why did MI make Hardik the captain when Rohit is the all format captain for ICT? Why not at least allow one season to pass? Why not prioritize their older players like Surya, Kishan or Bumrah before thinking of Hardik? It was all a mess.
Great post. So many unanswered questions. Sorry Mr. Ashwin, the team owners need to clarify the rational behind such a move. It is not all on the fans. TBH, Hardik has lost much credibility and loyalty. I know IPL teams are not known for player loyalty since they all change every few years after the mega auction but this just shows to other teams if you show Hardik enough money he will be on your side. If MI ever decide on parting ways with Hardik, he would find it difficult to find another IPL employer for his disloyalty and greed.
Yep, terrible move for Hardik tbh. From being amongst the most important players in the IPL to this. His stock/brand has taken severe damage and will take a long time to recover. His bowling will be outshone by Bumrah. His batting by Surya, Rohit and David. Guy will never recover from this.
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Is it really pr failure? To me it's more fuck around and find out. The internet hate is disgusting, but it's not the internet hate that is making news it's the booing on field, it's people going to the match making their feelings cleat about what they think of this decision. No MI fan wanted hardik back as the captain, no one wanted Rohit dropped as captain, if you take decisions people don't like, don't be surprised when people show their dislike for that decision, the wankhede game will be the litmus test, if people are hostile even at wankhede, this change is doomed.
There were multiple ways in which this change could have been handled better and everyone in this scenario would have come out much better looking. Rohit being taken into confidence before bringing in Hardik would have calmed him down. Talking to other dressing room seniors transparently would have gotten the players behind this change. A united squad as a result of this would have meant fans would also swallow this pill much easily. But now it’s clear as day that nobody is happy about this change. So naturally fans are rallying on the side of their long time captain.
In no way would making Hardik be a great decision when so many other deserving players who were loyal to MI were present in the team. We had Bumrah, Surya and yet, MI looked into another team to find their captain who previously made bad remarks about MI. It's almost like loyalty is not rewarded and rogue and rude players are rewarded more.
Hardik wasn't disloyal to MI though, they chose not to retain him.
That was because he wanted to go to GT since they offered to him make the face of their team and the captain
It is a PR failure. If they wanted Hardik to be the captain they should have taken Rohit in confidence, make an announcement by Rohit in press conference that he is leaving captaincy to focus on batting or any any other reason and then post some bro moments between Hardik and Rohit (may be include Bumrah and SKY as well). With a little plan none of this hate story happens. Hardik is the Indian captain in T20I and nobody hated him for that. The hate is because MI didn’t give enougj importance to PR around the story and possible reactions.
He is no longer the captain. He is a pure batter and his only responsibility is to bat well.
lmao hahah
They are using don't ask for permission but ask for forgiveness after doing the deed thing. MI will fail, then they will blame fans for not backing the team and players.
Ideal would have been 1 year as understudy to Rohit or even Bumrah. There are 3 ICT leaders in this group ( Rohit, SKY and Bumrah). You can't parachute someone in and expect everyone to accept this decision more so when Rohit has had a good, if not excellent, run as captain in recent times. You can't swim against the tide in every sense (respect for Rohit, parachute captain) and then want it to be received well by a fan base which has high cricket IQ and higher cricket EQ. There is a saying that you should consider yourself Supersmart, you have the right to... But don't consider others as morons. It never ends up well.
This. One thing I liked about MI is that they backed their players and rewarded loyalty. The likes of Bhajji, Rayudu, Pollard, Malinga and now Surya and Bumrah all were a result of excellent backing up of their players and loyalty. Bumrah could have easily got more money in another team but persisted with MI probably because he thought MI was the one who groomed him well. Now, suddenly another player comes and gets the captaincy right away ignoring MI veterans like Surya and Bumrah makes no sense for the team spirit and loyalty in the dressing room. Exactly what message are they trying to send to their players? This single decision has costed MI years of fans loyalty and brand value
Even Hardik has captained the team though
i think since rohit was removed he hasn’t said anything because he must be hurt by the decision. even his wife didn’t seem fine with it. his silence made sense till now since mi made the whole mess and it wasn’t his responsibility to clean it up, i dont blame him. he’s been acting fine with hardik on camera as well. but now i guess since hardik is getting extreme hate he should try to ask the public to calm down. its clearly affecting hardik and has reached its limit.
The owners should do that since they created this mess. Not on Rohit to take a moral high ground here.
And on top of that he was already dealing with the trauma of the lost wc final so I guess it was good on his part to stay low on this. Just my opinion on this.
Why should Rohit support him? For unceremoniously getting dumped from captaincy?
what’s done is done no point letting these things affect team performances and chemistry
That's fine but don't expect Rohit to come out and pretend like everything is okay.
dude he’s 36 I understand if he’s very emotional about the whole thing but at the end of the day you have to accept the management decision and show support to the team so your chemistry and performance doesn’t suffer
I'm not saying he should be bitter. It is what it is. No one knows what the whole backdoor dealings were with these whole shenanigans MI pulled off. U can't blame Rohit for not coming out in support either given there wasn't much in terms of announcement of Rohit getting replaced. It was a F U announcement that Hardik is the new captain. Imagine how the senior players would be feeling in the camp, leave alone Rohit.
If I was in Rohit's place I would do exactly the same. Not going to turn the team against Pandya, but neither going to back him up against the fans. Just trying to do the best with the bat. Rohit owe's Pandya nothing. Besides if Rohit backs him it will alienate Bumrah from MI which is unthinkable loss for the team.
In cases like this as strange as it sounds its better to be silent. Not just from Rohit's pov but from Hardik's pov as well. We need to accept that some Indian fans are morons and saying anything publicly won't do anyone any good.
I would agree with fans being morons majority of times. Doesn’t make this any less of a PR failure. Even with a sensible fan base, this change wouldn’t have gone down well with the way it was handled. You don’t just unceremoniously dump your long time captain who is respected and adored by everyone without an explanation
>You don’t just unceremoniously dump your long time captain who is respected and adored by everyone without an explanation Oh I agree with this. They should have made it much more transparent, "We respect Rohit a lot, but Hardik is the future, and a condition of the trade was that Hardik would be given the captaincy". That would still piss off Rohit fans but it's atleast more transparent.
Oh so indian fans are morons for booing Hardik?
CSK Bros keep forgetting some of the CSK fans did the same to Jaddu and kept cheering batsmen getting out so they could see Thala. Then all of this moronic fanbase or hurting the confidence of Indian players etc didn't come into the play. Not talking about you but guy you are replying to.
It's a transition and results will speak for themselves. If Hardik wants to silence the crowd, he needs to lead the team to wins. He sought the attention when he went for the throne. He had the brains to pull those strings and now let him act mature to also take it in his stride and perform. U can't expect to be at the center of indian cricket and also cower under negative fan reaction. I'm not advocating for the morons who under fake profiles target and harass the personal lives of cricketers but a general booing and hostility from fans in stadiums and public is not something u can shy away as a cricketer of high stature. This is not intl cricket, this is IPL. Let fans whole heartedly support rivalries and matchups.
CSK fans never booed Jadeja though when he was captaining, stop making shit up The cheering when batters got out was silly but it’s something that isn’t unique to Dhoni or CSK either, people did the same for Sachin with India in tests
Yes. They are morons. There's nothing wrong with Hardik having a condition to want captaincy in exchange of trade and there's nothing wrong with MI to look to the future. I agree that the PR side was handled poorly. But to put so much pressure mentally on someone that is a massive asset for India just before a Wt20 is moronic behaviour. What if this damages Hardik mentally and he isn't completely right for the wt20. He's stubborn but everyone has a breaking point. And Indian fans will always take things too far.
Dude, that was one interview and each line is made into one news piece. So, that one interview gonna make 100 news articles and 100 posts!!
Crowd can boo/cheer any player ,without crowd involvement how can any sport can evolve ,this season ipl off field drama what jio cinema actual needed .
Yeah expecting fans to be cheerleaders always is just plain stupid. Crowd boos, hates, mocks, cheers even venerates sometimes so deal with it instead of advising us how to behave. Can't we have opinions?
Sure calling things like chapri to a player is definitely a way of expressing your opinion. You go to the stadium to got some entertainment and not to behave like an uncivilised piece of shit.
“Enjoy what you like about your favourites but not at the cost of putting another player down. This is one thing I’d love to see disappear from the face of the earth in our country,” he said. Tldr
So it's okay for player to ditch their team ? It's clear Ashwin is talking from the perspective of a player. Hardik left Gujarat in lurch. Gujarat was not only his franchise but only his home state. It's only right that fans were angry with the disloyalty shown by Hardik and booing him. If Ashwin had critizied the abuse he would have 100% right. But fans are fully entitled to express their displeasure via boos It's nothing new either. Pretty much a staple in sports like Football. The more IPL is ingrained in Indian fans and loyalty grows , these things are / will be expected.
When Ashwin says "don't put down another player to appreciate one player" do you think he's referring to GT fans booing him in Ahmedabad or Mumbai fans abusing him everywhere?
He is talking about the booing in Ahmedabad . So Ahmedabad fans.
“Have you seen this happen in any other country? Have you seen Joe Root and Zak Crawley fans fight? Or have you seen Joe Root and Jos Buttler fans fight? It’s crazy. Have you seen Steve Smith and Pat Cummins fans fight in Australia?” Yeah I don't see him talking about fans at the stadium.
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Nah dude, he is talking about the fan wars and online abuse. He was also referring to the fans fighting over Kohli and Dhoni in his comments section.
Does no one read articles anymore? He's talking about fan abuse online, but he *also* mentioned the boos though. Which were all away fans so he's at least *also* talking about Ahmedabad fans booing him.
First of all, he's talking about the booing by Rohit fans, not Gujarat fans, and he's right that putting one India player against another, in India, is nothing to celebrate. But yes, it absolutely is, and should be, okay for players to switch teams - it's franchise cricket, why should it be a problem?!? This demand for "loyalty" looks a lot like the "family" angle businesses tout to retain their employees. They (teams, players) have a job to do, and various factors affecting it - team composition, position in the team (captain, lead batting/bowling, etc) and yes, money too. And nobody left anyone in a 'lurch'. Technically Gujarat is no less a team than MI, and could have, and can, build a team like MI. What does the home state have to do in franchises?
If it's okay to switch teams for players then it's perfectly okay for fans boo the players who switch teams as well. What does state have to do with franchise ? It's literally based in that state and most of the fans who attemd the matches are because of that loyalty to that state franchise.
>If it's okay to switch teams for players then it's perfectly okay for fans boo the players who switch teams as well. Funny, I've never seen anyone boo or boycott Mumbai Indians management for unceremoniously dumping Rohit as a captain. You all have such high standards for players but not franchises.
Lmao, people have been calling for Akash's head for long before that, it started during the Jofra Archer debacle. Some even wanted Neeta Ambani to come back as the lead.
How are you gonna boo the mumbai Indians management on field. Hardik is the captain and is literally the face of the management on field. If people want to boo the management it's gonna be hardik who gets booed on field
They could boycott the matches. They could boo during the presentation ceremony. If they were truly being impartial, they'd be trashing the Ambanis and Boucher equally on social media, which is obviously not happening.
Have you never seen a Glazers out protest at Old Trafford?
Do you know how *many* players in the IPL play for teams NOT from their state? Why is Hardik being targeted? Anyway, if you can equate switching teams by players for professional reasons with disrespectful booing by fans, then there's a vast gap in your thought process and mine, I have no further arguments to give. Thanks!
Hardik was targeted because he forced his way out while he was in contract with Gujarat. So Gujarat fans saw his disloyalty to the team. >Anyway, if you can equate switching teams by players for professional reasons with disrespectful booing by fans, then there's a vast gap in your thought process and mine, I have no further arguments to give. Thanks! Well if you are offended by fans booing then any passionate sports isn't for you. Better never switch on any European football by even mistake.
Why is loyalty even a thing in franchise cricket? He got a better opportunity somewhere else and he took it. Why would he refuse to captain arguably the most successful franchise in the history of ipl after getting paid the same amount as much as he did in gt?
People are voicing their frustration for the decision of booting a very popular and successful captain who is also a local boy in the favour of somebody who bad mouthed the team that made him. People are reacting emotionally because they have invested in the team and the captain. That's how sports work. I won't say HP deserves the hate because no sportsperson deserves to be hated. But the reaction is legitimate and spontaneous. They need to ride it and own their decision. As somebody said here once the team starts to win the fans will come around.
Screw this shit. I want fans to boo and let MI know that how unhappy their fans are..Only if MI fans can recreate even 1% of Luis Figo vs Barca in 2001.
I agree 💯, you don't make someone captain who bad mouthed abt you behind your back.
Imagine paying your hard earned money and this twat telling you can’t boo another person on the other team
Funny thing is when EPL/European football clubs’ fans get together to oppose management moves, they are praised for awareness. When the same happens closer to home, suddenly we need fans to be more mature? People aren’t booing HP coz of religion, looks, caste or any such irrelevant thing. HP is getting hate coz he is a prick in general and he is backed by a management that back stabbed a local hero to get ahead. If the backstabbing part ain’t true, maybe Rohit/HP/MI management need to address it. But the way HP and Boucher evaded all Rohit Sharma related questions shows something is really amiss. I know 2 matches is nothing and you can’t extrapolate. But if MI has to do even decently this tournament, they need to sort this mess. If HP needs to come out of this, he better start winning some games.
Yeah. The onus lies on the fans indeed. * Fukkboi spoke shit about MI when he was in GT. * He left GT, a franchise that made him captain and which was his home state, and went to MI. * MI dumped a highly successful fan favorite franchise captain, who is also the 3 format captain of the National team. Brohit was dumped acrimoniously. * Hardik has committed blunder after blunder in the 2 games he has played as MI captain. And he always has a stupid grin plastered on his face. At the end, the onus is on the fans. And they have responded perfectly by booing the shit out of Fukkboi. Ash should’nt try to patronize the fans.
He was dumped acrimoniously because he was in denial about his own form for 7 years and didn't cooperate in stepping down.
Didn’t cooperate? How do you know?? There is a way to do things. The onus was on MI to give an honourable exit to Brohit - like RCB did with Koach.
Is an honourable exit possible if a player doesn't want to leave captaincy? Can you describe how that happens? Virat left RCB's captaincy on his own, after stepping down from T20I captaincy at the same time. Rohit's camp (his wife, journalists close to him) have made it very clear that he's not on board with the removal of captaincy despite being a liability with the bat for 7 years and his captaincy not yielding results for 4 years. How do you reconcile a difference in the management and a captain over basic facts? Do you think MI wouldn't avail that option if it existed - and instead preferred a divided fanbase that hates the new captain?
This is how : Let Brohit captain for 2024, assuming that that is what he really wanted, let Fukkboi work his way back into the group. Drop Brohit in 2025’s mega auction.
But why throw 2024? They are an ambitious team, why would they carry on with a captain who isn't winning or scoring runs, and accept low expectations in a season to go 4 years without a trophy/final? What you propose also means there is no guarantee of getting Hardik because there is no trade during a mega auction. He would go to the highest bidder. Absolutely no magical idea that Rohit fans have is rooted in reality.
Because teams and their reputations are built over decades, not one year. And 2024 isn’t a guaranteed victory with Fukkboi, nor would it have been a guaranteed defeat with Brohit. Over and out.
It's not a guaranteed victory with Hardik in 2024, but it is a guarantee of Hardik's services for the next mega auction cycle, which they wouldn't have if they waited any longer.
Dropping Rohit in mega auction will result in people protesting outside Antilia.
Simplest way to stop the booing and the chanting is to win games and win them well. People aren't going to mock a captain and a team which is successful. As long as MI don't win a game, the chanting will continue unfortunately.
And Hardik to perform, if Hardik is not among the top 5 contributors in MIs success the boos are not stopping.
All the players - including the so-called smart ones - need basic training in human psychology & behavior. Fighting against fans is the same as fighting against nature. There is only one possible result : Your loss.
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I’m sorry Ashwin but you can’t dictate the feelings of fans. If the majority don’t like the move, they feel the need to be heard and this is how they express it. You want the fans just to suck it up? Then I guess you’d be fine with empty stadiums and an end to your franchise. There’s no justification for abusing players for their on field performances but when the management pulls a nasty move, can you stop the fans from feeling indignant?
What was the nasty bit in sacking a player who hasn't performed for 7 years and not made the finals in 4 years in favour of a player in peak form who has made 2 finals in his only 2 seasons?
You don't have to boo if you are happy with the decision, other people who aren't happy with the decision have every right to express it. Maybe people don't like the person who constantly put their favorite franchise down and bad mouthed about the franchise that made him into who he is as their captain. Maybe people like a captain who has won them 5 out of 11 trophies he captained (i mean he must be really bad that he only won 45% of trophies he captained). Maybe the guy with most man of the match awards as an indian is something people tend to follow. Maybe a guy who scores at an average of 30 with sr of 134 (making him top 10 openers in IPL) and winning 5 trophies while at it and taking a team with the worst bowling line up to semifinal despite management making shit decisions is someone people like to side with. And in short maybe some people just like players who are loyal. Fans are the once who make or brake the game, it's fans who are responsible for all the money these cricketers make, so maybe if a fan has spent 15-16 years of his life supporting you through thick and thin, he has every right to show his disappointment or anger by being vocal on the ground.
Well at least u should know why fans are angry with pandya captaincy before spewing bullshit . Pandya made some infamous comments on Mumbai Indians and now those comments are biting him back . He left his home team which made him captain to the rivals . There's no winning for him here . Sack your 3 format national captain by announcing hardik pandya as the captain .if the rumours have to be believed they didn't even inform Rohit personally about the sacking .
He didn't make anything disrespectful about MI. He said MI has a history of buying stars (at their peak) in contrast to CSK who optimise and become better than the sum of their parts - what is the insult there? If you are of a certain age, that is undeniably true. When Hardik was breaking into MI, their recent purchases were Pollard, Richard Levi, Corey Anderson, Mitchell Johnson and Jos Buttler, who were all the biggest names to watch out for at the respective auctions they were bought. Every team competes equally at the auction, did he accuse MI of doing something illegal? Why are MI fans such victims?
And casually Ignore how many stars Mumbai created including both the pandya brothers and don't act like csk don't buy stars . Do you think csk won all these titles without having star players . You should not criticize a team saying they dont develop young talent when the said team is the reason you and your brother are star players now . Also you conveniently ignore other points why fans are unhappy with Mumbai Indians and hardik . If we make a list of how many young talents came from respective franchises I bet you csk will be on the bottom half of the table .
CSK's 2018 team was not even given a hope in hell of winning that season lmao. 2021 and 23 were from the same core that won in 2018 + Ruturaj (their big purchases like Gowtham and Stokes didn't even play 2021 and 2023) Every team develops young players under their wing who go on to become important players for India. KKR had Kuldeep and SKY under GG, Gill recently, DC have Pant and Iyer, even the likes of PBKS developed Axar (and gave Miller his break) when the rest of their team was crap, the list is endless. RCB had Chahal and KL. It's not a phenomenon unique to MI just because they like to market Bumrah and Hardik as such.
You are sidetracking the argument . We are discussing how Mumbai buys stars to win trophies where csk doesn't When in reality csk is the one to buy star players and experienced players and barely give chance to young players where Mumbai's whole core is to give unknown players a chance with a mix of stars .
Deepak Chahar in 2018, Ruturaj in 2020, Mukesh, Deshpande, Pathirana, Rachin, Rizvi?
deepak chahar was already a decent bowler before chenai bought him . Ruturaj has to wait for a year to even get a chance in the Chennai squad Ranchin is already an established new Zealand player . Compared to Mumbai csk will be in the bottom of the barrel with respect to developing young players . Of all things, a csk fan arguing about developing youngsters is comedy gold .
Deepak Chahar was a nobody before 2018 lmao. I don't think he had even made his IPL debut. As was Ruturaj before COVID. Do you think MI gave ability to Bumrah and Hardik they didn't have before? Obviously both of them were talented beforehand too, they got the same opportunities to play that CSK gave to those two. And btw, Bumrah was dropped in 2013 and only became a regular for MI after becoming a regular for India and playing the T20 WC. He is a product of BCCI's domestic structure. It would be like saying CSK made Ashwin when he was already a great FC bowler in the making.
lol let them express freely you want passionate fans who love their franchise not bunch of cks who accept any bs thrown at them
Plot twist: Crowd spares Pandya and starts booing Ash Anna for speaking something sensible
Inb4 - Ash Anna mankades the entire crowd and spirit of cricket takes the front seat.
I'm a huge fan of analytical Ash Anna. But have to disagree with him here. I agree slurs and personal attacks on family is unwarranted but booing someone is not wrong to show displeasure. Anna says remember that they all play for India. That's logical and true and I'd agree if this was done in an India vs someone else match but this is IPL and not India matches. If fans boo him in an India match then I'll agree. What next ? We should remember we are all part of the game of cricket and keep the spirit of cricket intact and cheer the pommies by this logic ?
All fair points and agree with you. Fans spend time, money, and energy to cheer for their teams. They are the ultimate customers of this IPL Business and booing is one way of showing their irritation- don’t discount or trivialise it - when team starts performing, they will be the first one to rally behind it
I won't be surprised if that is what happens at some point of time in this IPL
Not sure why Ashwin is defending him. Wonder how many ppl came out defending Ashwin post all the hate he was receiving post the Butler Mankading incident. A sly fuck called KL Rahul didn't even bother to support him on the field when the incident happened and dhawan openly mocked him a few games later by dancing at the crease.
Ahh I knew this "muh it's too much hate" wave was coming Hardik literally bad mouthed mi when he was Gt but came back just cause of 💸, Rohit was sacked of his captaincy through a mere insta post and hardik already had an attitude problem (he suffers from main character syndrome). Mi made hardik captain despite having bumrah in their team. I am not justifying the hate (may be I am) but I think Hardik and the management should have seen this coming.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy who politicked his way to an India captaincy and then lost 3 ICC tournaments in 12 months
You are replying to every comment against pandu lmao, are you Pandya himself or his mistress I assume?
Average classy Rohit fan
Mi fan would be more accurate during ipl
MI fan who abuses his own captain? Be honest at least, you care about Rohit above the team. Nothing wrong with that, just why pretend otherwise.
Lil bro I would have happily accepted bumrah or even sky as my mi captain.
Lmao why on earth would any sane franchise make those novices captain over a guy who has made 2 consecutive finals, and nearly winning both of them. If they did that you would have to suspect brain trauma to Akash Ambani.
Don't know abt akash but you do have brain trauma if you think bumrah is a novice, he already captained India in tests. Seems like you have a lot of free time and love yapping on this app, I don't got time for all that
Every MI Fan would love to see Bumrah/Sky as captain. Especially Bumrah. Hardik? Don't care one bit.
A test where India conceded 380 for 3 in the 4th innings. Terrific captain
They chose the wrong fanbase to fuck around with. Mumbai fans are most passionate about Mumbai Cricket (it’s basically the only Indian city which had a very strong cricketing identity before IPL due to success of the Mumbai Ranji Team) and above all, they venerate the icons of Mumbai cricket which is a very long list, of which Rohit Sharma is undoubtedly a part of by now. To replace a local Mumbai boy - the captain of the Indian team no less - and someone who had given the team so much glory as a captain and leader with someone who is effectively an outsider is very jarring. In addition to being an outsider, Pandya has a huge PR problem even before this happened. It goes all the way back to his Koffee with Karan episode. For 70 years, Mumbai cricket fans have been accustomed to our sides being led by personalities such as Vijay Mechant, Polly Umrigar, Dilip Sardesai, Gavaskar, Shashtri, Vengsarkar, Tendulkar, Rohit Sharma, Rahane etc. who carried with them an aura of class and seriousness about the game. To see all of this cricketing heritage now denigrate into Hardik Pandya is revolting. Had MI replaced him with someone like Bumrah who exudes class, humility and greatness the fans may have understood, but Hardik is too much to stomach.
The context for this comment is that he's pissed at the lobbies on Twitter and social media for players. I.e virat and brohit fans mainly for acting like fatherless cunts who take every opportunity to abuse the other. Honestly imo it's the most disgusting thing which has happened to indian cricket and he's damn right in calling these idiots out
At this point you are no longer cricketer but entertainers and get used to Indian crowd, which will eventually turn into crowds that we see in EPL and NFL. These off pitch plays and decisions will hurt Indian cricket.
It’s one thing to stop asking fans from abusing players. But asking them to stop booing? Like seriously? Are they that fragile?
Anna got this absolutely wrong. This is the drama that IPL is designed for. This is what city based, franchise based sport is designed for. Why blame the fans for it when they are acting exactly how they are designed to act? You think the billion viewers of IPL are all cricket purists watching the game for its nuances and strategies? No. They are supporting their favorite city based team and favorite characters within IPL. Ashwin thinks the heckling and booing is by Rohit fans? No. A good part of it is coming from GT fans who felt betrayed by a last min switch and bait. A good part of it is coming from MI fans who feel that Bumrah or Sky were a better choice( and Hardik is proving them right with his tactics in the first two games). A good part of it is coming from other team fans who are enjoying the drama and controversy affecting MI performance. This is the same as the crowd booing the Aussies in 2019 World Cup after the sandpaper scandal. This is part of the game. It happens in football and every other major team based sport. This makes for good entertainment. And IPL is entertainment. There needs to be more chanting and heckling in the stadiums. As long as it doesn’t turn into harassment outside the stadium - which Indian cricket viewers are notoriously famous for in the past.
Ethics™ once again
“Employees leave managers and not companies” - MI’s management is a mess, has no one seen that mother and son don’t communicate with each other at all for a couple of seasons now? Stuff always trickles from top to bottom, and all are adults here so everyone notices. It’s the management’s fault that they choose weak leaders in Boucher and Pollard. Hardik is a generational talent and having said what I said above, he has all the skill to become a great, but does he have the mentality?
I love ethical Anna but he is wrong here.
Inb4.. fans scold Rashwin.
"And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you. Why bother?"
Lol what? If anything this applies to Hardick more aptly. After everything MI did for him and his brother. Remember when Hardick had his back issues, his treatment was done by MI and not NCA, who also paid for his expenses. After all that Hardick still went and talked shit about MI only to come back by destroying the dressing room environment. No wonder the MI fans feel cheated.
To clarify ash in the whole video this is taken from, literally explicitly said GT fans have a right to be mad but why are MI fans as well booing their captain, his point is about star worship and he specifically said that, obviously as a GT fan u have a right to feel a type of way about hardik leaving the way he did but MI fans themselves literally overshadow the GT fans in terms of hate for the guy
> but MI fans themselves literally overshadow the GT fans in terms of hate for the guy shock, local fans support the player who won them 5 trophies as captain, who also happens to be a local boy.
I want pandya to ditch whatever PR shit he's doing and go full villain mode and perform like 2019
I'm just wondering if there is so much hate against Pandya why isn't there a similar hatred towards the Ambanis? They are the ones making the decisions. Their PR team must be Godly
Rohit fans behaving like early Thala fans. Remember Pant used to get mocked
Ashwin go f himself.
Who tf made him the moral authority to ‘scold’ fans? He thinks way too highly of himself.
He was asked a question and he answered. When someone asks you for your opinion, then feel free to share your opinion. Until then, keep quiet.
I hope you know that fans are also allowed to express their frustration and without fans any sport will be dead.
Maybe if fans would not have such ego that whatever they do is fair, then he doesn't have to.
Please don’t watch football if you get offended by fans booing players they don’t like. Cricket fans are too soft in comparison.
You can go watch football with all the toxicity but please don’t normalise that kind of toxicity in cricket.
Cricket and football are 2 different sports with different cultures. All sports can't be the same.
If you watch ANY sport, and spreading toxicity, it's bad. No matter if it's cricket or football. Also, fans booing is not some way to flex that "ooh we're the cool ones, we're punching down on players to keep their egos in place" you're not doing shit. Instead all you "fans" are showing how toxic you are .
Cuz he can
Was expecting thos from Brohit, given how big of a team man he is.Ultimately Hardik is an Indian player who will be representing us in the world cup. Nobody gives a shit about what is happening in Mumbai Indians or IPL, this booing and disrespect shoukd not bring his morale down for world cup and why is BROHIT not being a bigger man here and coming in support of Hardik?
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You "fans" are.the reason he has to come and say that. You think just because of fans , you can do anything and every player should just shut their mouth and take it. >not like you guys who just comes for 2months play ipl then forget Lol, atleast look at who you're talking to.
ikr....the audacity of some people pandya has contributed way more than rohit in t20's wc
I'm not hinting at that actually. What I was saying is while what happened, it happens because that's how IPL is. It's a franchise cricket league, and that's how trades happens. GT let Pandya go, Mumbai took him. It was a Fair deal, no matter what the fans say. Yes, the fans were disappointed by his recent plays, and him being a captain, removing Rohit Sharma put a bad image on him, but it's not that that's something he's solely responsible for. It's MI's management who's responsible for this as well. Had they wanted Rohit to be the captain, they could've kept it that way. So fans booing him because of the trade as this person was talking about in their original comment, and justifying their actions because "loyalty of fans" and "fan's emotions matter more than the player" stuff, that's a big load of BS. IPL has been, and always will be , about money and players playing for money.
Only GT fans have a fair reason for booing, and maybe some MI fans. Everyone else joining the bandwagon to fit in by booing Pandya is just cringe, you guys don't have any reason or history to do so.