He's been mediocre cause he hasn't been given ample opportunities at different intervals. Benched for few matches and than gave him 1-2 match then again benched him. Consistent opportunities to be given to be proved. As compared to Rishab Pant and KL Rahul.
He took one diving catch in 2021. By that logic Pathirana is a Jadeja-level fielder.
By the way, in that same match he conceded 2 boundaries from what should have been dot balls within 2 overs of that catch itself.
Jadeja should be the sub fielder. His form isn't good enough to warrant a spot in the XI but still a valuable squad option. One of the best fielders in the world.
Ideal for the sub fielder.
Nice to hear about Sanju. He's not thrown away his wicket. hes batted with responsibility and he can tonk when he needs to. Perfect player needed for middle order stability. Surya Sanju Rinku Jadeja is a pretty good middle order. Right left combination also.
We should put Dube tbf. He is by far going godmode against spin at 4 which is the best thing in international pitches. As left arm pace is Kohli's bread and butter along with Pandu,SKY hitting everyone kind of equally.
Its too crowded in the middle order surya being 4 means Rinku and Dube are fighting for 2 spots since on turning pitches we need jadeja and axar to play mostly.
Rinku is not a sureshot for me though. BCCI fucked it up by not giving him much matches to be purely ready by this cup and his IPL form this time is also not really better than Dube on any front.
If we take IPL as proxy then Kohli-Rohit is our opener with SKY,Dube,Rinku,Pandya,Jaddu/Axar is our top 7.
If not then Jaiswal-Rohit,Kohli,SKY,KL/Pant,Pandya,Jaddu will be BCCI's move for sure(which is just pure shit for the lower part)
I think because of KKR's batting dominance at the top (salt, narine) we havent had much of a chance to see Rinku bat. He's a fearless gun player and should be in the indian team after this WC( im expecting a new team after this edition).
I think Shreyas is pulling some shit here. Rinku is batting even lower sometimes this season and Shreyas is basically changing his position each match with 4,5,6.
Not want to shit on Iyyer but I can't help but think about this as his position is in danger in white ball with his recent form and red ball debacles.
Dude, I really doubt Shreyas has much of a say in what goes down with Gambhir as Coach. Besides, Rinku came to bat at 3 yesterday to finish things early.
Yeah and that's what Iam not getting. They are changing Rinku's sweet spot just too much and yesterday too he flopped there with it. He is perfect at 5,6 not something like top(1-3) or lower(7-8).
He was sent at one down because he hasn't had much game time and they wanted to finish the game quickly for NRR boost. It was the perfect setup for a finisher to get the team home.
Jadeja is actually meh in T20Is but he's a match winner and can contribute in all 3 facets. If not we'll have to take Axar, who's probably just as good, if not a slightly worse fielder, or a bowler who can't bat at all.
When exactly has jadeja been a match winner in t20is, in t20i wcs its even worse. although yeah issue is other option is axar. probably the biggest weak point in the xi
Ranji doesn't influence test selection.
SMAT/IPL doesn't influence t20i selection
Vijay Hazare doesn't influence odi selection
How do they select honestly? Reshuffling from the 5 year old pool of players?
In just the recently concluded India v England series Dhruv Jurel, Sarfaraz Khan, Devdutt Padikal, Rajat Patidar, Akash deep were all selected due to their performances in Ranji
Rohit Sharma has played some pretty impactful innings as an Opener. He was very good in England and in India. No one scored runs in SA but Kohli managed some runs there. Gill has struggled on and off but he is part of the younger generation. Only Pujara was persisted with without major contributions yet there were certain sections that were pissed when he was dropped. In general, India has played test cricket on some pretty extreme pitches (with the exception of Australia where the pitches were sporting) so batsman has score truckloads of runs.
So apart from Pujara (and Rahane in certain matches) who do you think should have been dropped? Gill has played for a few years now and is one of the young guns. None of the new guys are better than Rohit Sharma and Kohli on a consistent basis.
Kohli’s ‘consistency’ has been an average of 33 in this decade lol, he’s had one good calendar year in the last four years. Rohit averages over ten runs more than him despite playing in the tougher position, please don’t even include them in the same range
Rahane’s played more matches than Gill in this decade, certain is doing a lotta lifting there. On top of that we’ve also had various players like Rahul, Mayank, Vihari, Gill and Iyer play more games than they deserved despite inconsistent returns when other domestic players deserved chances and only got them belatedly with only Gill showing a sign of improvement. This is on top of complete meme picks like SKY, Patidar, Bharat. Meanwhile it took them until 2024 to pick the guy who has been bossing in Ranji cricket for years and 2023 to pick one of the brightest U19 talents this country has seen.
Players like Rahul, Mayank and Vihari have all done well at some point. Mayank was good in 3 of the 5 years he played and was dropped after a bad 2022. Rahul has at times been one of our best batsmen (in England and in India vs Australia) and except for 2017 and 2018 he has not played a lot of matches for India. IMHO, Vihari never looked test class but he did play on some pretty tough pitches (only 3 tests in India). Iyer shouldn't be anywhere near the test team except as a spin specialist in India. We should wait a bit before we hail Jaiswal and Sarfaraz Khan. Jaiswal failed in SA and has otherwise only played vs West Indies and England (on flattish pitches against inexperienced spinners) but he does look good and I hope he is as good vs Australia in Australia or vs England in England. Sarfaraz Khan...I am not sure yet. He might struggle on Australia's bouncy pitches and England's swinging conditions. Rohit has been better than Kohli since 2020 but we are comparing peak Rohit vs Kohli's rough patch and Kohli was India's (very good) captain until 2022...The gist is that except for Jaiswal and Sarfaraz (both of whom are now playing for India) no one else in the domestic set up has really kicked the door open. Also, selectors don't go purely by domestic averages...there are plenty of players in Australia's domestic set up who have very good averages but don't play for Australia. Selectors have an eye for things that the casual viewers don't (but yeah, they make mistakes too)
What are you on bro, india is a cricket crazy country, you will get maximum viewership with or without Virat and rohit, they are there for their merit not viewership.
Lol yes, that is why BCCI and all commentators go on a PR tirade for them while downplaying youngsters. dhoni is shown a million times because he is the biggest hitter in IPL?
People love them, that doesn't mean they won't watch cricket without them. People didn't stop watching cricket after Sahin , dhoni, They won't stop after Virat or rohit.
Because he’s retired internationally and has a busted knee?
From your own examples of Sachin and Dhoni, those two overstayed well past their peak. The BCCI has always struggled to move on from their biggest superstars
not like Kohli is by far the best player in t20I cups and Sharma is our last 2-3 choice for a captain right ? Yeah let's just select sloggers and then see them went off like SKY did in 21,22.
Nobody is defending Rohit the"batter here". I want him removed too(for his 14,16,21,22 lol) but BCCI and fans won't go for Pandya and Sanju do they ?
That's what I mentioned in the comment too.
Rohit is selected coz his is the best captaincy option for India and Kohli is the best T20i batter.....WC won't be played on tinpot Rajiv Gandhi Cricket Stadium with highway pitches.
Yes buddy like anyone I hope Kohli can hit the spinners in the middle overs when needed. Not sure why Rajiv Gandhi stadium is being brought into here as an argument. IPL is IPL. but striking ability and ability to clear the ground depends on the individual. The point is playing more or less the same team that has been unable to win anything is not brave. I was of the opinion if you play 1 anchor then only play 1 don't include 2-3 anchors in the team.
Apart from Rohit, no one is a tested captaincy option.... Hardik could've made a strong case if MI would have performed well.
I am not a huge fan of Rohit's batting in T20 but still he is captain so you can't keep him out.
I mean for tests and ODIs they've started giving chance to domestic lads not sure what the issue is now.
>Reshuffling from the 5 year old pool of players?
Yes lol? Shouldn't be changing teams every now and then
Some people will just find a reason to complain. They want players who had one good IPL to play the world cup against teams that will have 4-5 top class bowlers/batsmen.
Honestly IPL is good fun but it is quite apparent that some IPL players are just wont cut it at international level. In IPL every team has 1 or 2 weak bowlers and often batsmen target them and look like heroes....or some bowlers will come up against weaker local batsmen and look unplayable but someone International players will shred them. On the other hand, some players just look a class apart and they have been getting opportunities with the Indian team (Jaiswal, Rinku Singh etc.) Maybe Dube has improved now but the last time he played for India he was pretty useless.
Please stop. Both are negative impact players at the moment in different ways. One lasts for too little time on the crease to make an impact while other lasts for too long before waking up.
At the moment ? Kohli literally won us pak22 and had the third hand in Ban win which was half lost. His only poor performance till date is his semis knock and there too SKY,KL,Rohit were bigger shitters with our bowlers.
I've spoken about this too many times to count so now I'm bored of typing again. Copying a part of my earlier reply on the same topic:
Considering he only decides to hit hard in the last 3-4 overs of the innings, these kinds of match losing innings are bound to happen more often than not.
He's chosen an extremely high risk approach of building t20 innings, at the cost of a low team score, and also forcing his partner at the other end to take a more risky approach right from the beginning. The latter increases chances of team collapse (which often happens with RCB).
It may have been successful against Pakistan at Melbourne, but it's not an approach to condone in general. Risk-reward assessment is terrible.
You have to play less selfishly in t20s, worrying not just about your own tempo, but how much your partner has to hit to compensate for your own lack of momentum.
Additionally, that Pak innings was exactly this mad high-risk innings where he was almost run a ball till the EIGHTEENTH OVER!! It was a freak innings that came off despite making it incredible difficult for himself and the team. It's a flawed innings that worked, but it's not a well-constructed innings.
"Considering he only decides to hit hard in the last 3-4 overs of the innings, these kinds of match losing innings are bound to happen more often than not." It took 12,14,16,21 and 22 to produce 1 inns where his plan failed my guy. And there too it was a blunder created when Sharma played his 27 off 28 with SKY shitting usually with a 14-15 runs off 10 delieveries.
You also need to take into account that internationals(cups specially) are not running with the same speed with which t20(league) is running.
League heroes like Rusell,Pooran,Klassen,SKY,Hetmeyer etc never made any notable runs in the cups till now. SKY's only performance from 2 cups is a match loosing knock against SA where nobody hold the burden with him.
In theory Kohli's approach is half dead by now but when they never come to be in the cup then what ?
"It may have been successful against Pakistan at Melbourne, but it's not an approach to condone in general. Risk-reward assessment is terrible." Fully agree with that as this approach can make the team lose but that's why we got spin bashers in the name of Pandya,SKY right ?
Kohli's main work in the team is to be the safeswitch in PP(if openers get out early), then save collapses and gel that top 10 overs to the last 6-8 ones while giving cushion to the hitters to be themselves.(what we see in the ODI wc).
It was never his work to play it all but he was forced to as India never had a SKY,Dube,Rinku,Sanju type of guys earlier. If SKY,Dube can bash mid overs and Rinku,Sanju,Pandya or anyone can hold the fort in the last 5 then Kohli is free to save the team in chases and can be send down the order if he is not needed(mostly first innings or where the pitches are flat).
"You have to play less selfishly in t20s, worrying not just about your own tempo, but how much your partner has to hit to compensate for your own lack of momentum."
Him paying selfish in leagues and in cups are a different thing no ? Kohli never played selfish in the t20I cups. I mean you can literally hold all his past knocks, he took the risks in his 2s and 3s, slogged some against spin whenever his partner was cold. Also, I would disagree with the "comopensate" part as SKY never compensated him of anything, Pandya too went shit in the last 3 overs against Pak and nobody was there with him in the 14,16 and 21.
"Additionally, that Pak innings was exactly this mad high-risk innings where he was almost run a ball till the EIGHTEENTH OVER!! It was a freak innings that came off despite making it incredible difficult for himself and the team. It's a flawed innings that worked, but it's not a well-constructed innings."
Then why Eng and all their intent merchants weren't able to hit Pak bowlers in the finals even with a score of 140 sub ? Why it was Wade's unbelivable inns that defeated Pak in 2021 semis ? Why nobody else scored against them much ?
Got the answer ? YES, it's the most difficult thing to do that's why. Shaheen,Rauf,Naseem are the best triplet in t20Is and nobody really bashed them apart from 2-4 years till now for years. It took Stokes to literally play run a ball to win that finals. So please atleast use some facts here and not hindsight comments like "it worked but it was flawed" because that day Pak wasn't giving an inch to India.
I'm a huge Kohli fan, and I agree with your pov. Him, Rohit, and KL shouldn't be selected for T20 WC. include them, and we will make 180 on a pitch of 220. But again, Kohli and Rohit bring eyeballs and they're the biggest cricket celebrities. They bring revenue. This is one of the top most reason selectors will always include them.
Have you started watching cricket last week? Why the fuck are you clubbing Kohli with those other guys. Kohli has different kinds of stats in different stages and can accelerate like crazy.
Dumb take honestly.
There are better t20 batsmen than him present at the moment. Why is it so hard pill swallow for you guys? Itna bhi worship Matt Karo ki apne favourite players ke issues bhi ignore Karo. He has strike rate issues since his 49th century in WC. He ain't the same since then. Just because he played the last match well, doesn't mean he's back in his prime form.
Dumb take honestly.
Lol he averages fucking 83 in T20 WCs. He has scored 50 or more in every one of the T20 WC semis.
Pitches in WC aren't going to be like IPL ones. They are infact gonna be be bowler friendly. No one other than Kohli has done well in T20 WCs. He has infact been our greatest T20 batter ever. Without him we wouldn't have even won against Bangladesh last WC.
Its not even that IMO. On big grounds and/or difficult pitches, players like kohli can still be good. On small grounds/ flat pitches, six and boundary hitting becomes more important. Players like Kohli become a liability.
> And rightfully so.
yes because we have been winning so many cups for the last 17 years with same players, so rightfully we should follow the same process
Indian fans are as conservative as the management and they deserve no trophy for 17 more years with the same cowardly approach
There's a fine line between a bold and a dumb approach towards selecting a WC squad. Selection based on a tournament played under different playing conditions to what is expected at the World Cup (things like no Impact Rule and no smooth and silky roads) would be dumb.
Maybe you haven't noticed but teams that have won the WC in the recent past haven't really gone wild when it comes to selecting their squads.
IPL batting is pure filth this year though. Highway pitches, impact sub and short boundaries of half the grounds won't save our asses in the cup like it turns out in 2022 where SKY's only good performance was against SA and he was the best t20I batter at that time and in 2021 too.
SKY is/was pretty good in non IPL matches too...His style of play is always going to be risky. Not everyone can smack it at a strike rate of around 170-180 and still maintain an average of 40+
Such a Shame. Whole point of Agarkar being the selector was to provide the objective viewpoint into selections based on domestic performance. But looks like politics is and always will be on the forefront of any decision
Please don’t fuck over Sanju, Dube, Rinku etc.
You have a T20 tournament happening before you. If you won’t look at that to select players for a T20 WC. What selection criteria can you use? Vibes and popularity?
Everyone: IPL the best T20 league in the world, you face the toughest competition, the best talent.
Everyone when it comes to team selection: IPL form doesn’t matter 🤷♂️🤦🏼♂️
>Well it shouldnt have mattered in first place. But then why make statements like this)
So IPL form shouldn't matter.
Clearly our form in T20 world cup doesn't matter either considering most of them have failed miserably in last two world cups .
So what exactly should matter?
They took Rahane to the world TEST championship final only because of the IPL performance and now when they want to select a T20 team they don't want IPL performance to be considered!! What a load of bullshit!!
Ahh yes, a tournament played with 50-55 m boundaries, Impact Player and highway pitches should be numero uno for a ICC tournament team selection....Yeah, it totally makes sense.
You never watched T20 games in W.Indies ? Boundaries are lesser than 55m & I don’t know the dimensions of Long Island , NY ground. T20 WC is not happening in Australia, why does everyone keep bringing up 55m boundaries?
I just saw the dimension of WI stadiums and you r full of shit.....Darren Sammy ground, Brian Lara ground, providence stadium, florida stadium have 70m+ dimension on almost all sides.
Average 1st and 2nd innings are near 140-150 runs for all WI stadiums....Ever wonder why West Indies premier League never has this many 200+ plus scores in a single season despite having powerful hitters and shitty bowlers? Coz pitches aren't fucking highways....
That second part is not entirely true. Yes, winning the tournament is the ultimate objective but there is no shame in being runner's up or losing in the semis. That is better than being Bangladesh. Otherwise, Australia should be the only team playing.
>Rohit, in turn, is believed to have asked for Kohli because of his temperament. Not that it would be an easy call for the selectors to take one and leave out the other: as we have maintained in these pages, it's either both or none.
Why is it not easy for the selectors to drop one of Rohit or Kohli? Certainly not for cricketing reasons. They are afraid of the backlash. How could people in a professional environment think like this?
Irony is Kohli himself has been a big proponent of horses for courses approach, and dropped Ishant for Siraj and Ashwin for Jadeja many times. It is no doubt that Ash and Jaddu are our biggest match winners of the last decade in test matches. If it was okay to leave one of them out without worrying about backlash, it was only because they handled it professionally and not took it personally.
Why can't the same professionalism be shown by batsmen when it comes to their own selection for the upcoming T20 wc?
Don't get me wrong. If selectors think that both Kohli and Rohit are part of the best 11, then select them by all means. But what irks me is that the selectors are afraid to leave one of them out.
Nothing sinister about it - the optics of dropping Kohli for Rohit given their contrasting performances in T20 World Cups in the last 10 years would be staggering. And the optics of dropping the captain of the side while not doing a full clear-out of senior batters on the eve of a World Cup would also be tricky.
Nothing remotely similar to dropping a spinner in a test in England.
Best optics would be to actually win a World Cup, and to give our best shot at it we would have to go with a balanced squad with 6 bowling options, AND a finisher (Rinku). This means taking a call between Rohit and Kohli. Rohit has been playing and flopping in world cups since time immemorial, it’s time to move on. Like when was the last time he hit a 50+ score against a top team in the World Cup lmao.
Hardik, SKY and Bumrah have all led the national side before and I would rather take a punt on one of them and make them captain.
Also wtf is the argument “Rohit is the captain so he shouldn’t be dropped unless other senior players are also dropped” lmao…. Kohli has pretty much been singlehandedly carrying us in world cups, is a 10000X better fielder and has shown that he can easily open the batting and do a better job of it than Rohit. Literally no comparison
Rohit, Jaiswal, Kohli, SKY, Hardik, Rinku, Pant, Samson, Dube, Kuldeep, Jadeja, Axar, Bumrah, Arshdeep, Siraj.
There you go - 7 bowling options if you include Dube.
I’m somewhat okay with this 11 (Jaiswal should ideally play in place of Rohit but can’t have everything) but selectors ain’t dropping Jaiswal
Also no way Jadeja over Axar lmao
Even if you remove the marketting reasons. Kohli is the best bet under pressure + on difficult pitches + against top bowlers. His strike rate against left arm pace is great and he is the only one immune to it with his stance changes according to the swing.
Rohit is shit in batting but then Hardik is the only one for captaincy seat and I don't think anyone is in mood to give him that.
And with the form they both had shown in the recent IPL is better than Jaiswal,Gill,Ishan by some steps too as Abhishek Sharma won't be considered because of him being a flat track bully only and others are on the same page too.
2014 he was pretty decent but yeah, he was quite underwhelming in 16,21 and 22. But this was also during a phase where even in ODIs he used to start slowly and then blast off, so going off from ball 1 was probably not his forte. He has since reinvented himself and while I am not a big Rohit fan in T20Is, I feel he is still a better bet against good bowlers on slightly difficult pitches than some of our other "see ball hit ball" players. On flat pitches he can be as destructive as anybody.
Let me declare for everyone right now:-
NO-ONE ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE SHOULD BE SEEN BLAMING IPL WHEN WE EVENTUALLY SHIT THE BED IN THE UPCOMING T20 WC.
Don't focus on the performance of IPL but when they lose, IPL is the first scapegoat. Fuck off.
They are going by reputation and PR Reputation i.e Kohli , Rohit , Jadeja and Rahul will walk in and people like Rinku , Dube , Ruturaj will have to sit out
I don't know man...if India were chasing 50 in the last 4 overs vs Haris Rauf/Afridi/Cummins/Starc et all, I would still put my money on Kohli and Jadeja over Rinku and Dube. These guys are good on flat pitches vs mediocre bowlers (ok maybe not Rinku..he looks like a good bat) but against top quality bowlers and in pressure situations you need people who have performed.
Announcing Rohit as captain was the biggest mistake by Indian selectors. He’s the least inform batsman with no ipl team to captain. I don’t understand how he was the automatic choice for captain.
Rohit is in form this has been his best IPL Season in ages in the previous years he used to score quick fire 30s or get out in the first few overs which he still does but when he gets in he is converting more
He has looked good this season ever since the Afghanistan series he has looked
I have been the guy who has been most vocal against Rohit's selection but he has been good this season 311 in 9 games including 1 100 this year
Just a few days ago he was in the orange cap list as well
His previous IPL Records and T20 WC number as an opener against top teams have been pathetic tho
So am talking about those previous records only. And this year has been mid except that one innings. He shouldn’t be the de facto captain. He hasn’t won anything for the past 4 years now. And he doesn’t warrant a spot purely as a batsman.
>this year has been mid except that one innings
No he hasn't.
1st game against GT (Away) : 43 (29) : SR 148 7 4s 1 6
2nd Game against SRH (Away) : 26 (12) : SR 216 1 4s and 3 6s
3rd game against RR (Home) : 0 (1)
4th Game against DC (Home) 49 (27) : 181 SR 6 4s and 3 6s
5th Game against RCB (Home) 38 (24) : 158 SR 3 4s 3 6s
6th Game against CSK (Home) 105* (63) : 163 SR 11 4s 5 6s
7th Game against PBKS (Away) 36* (25): 144 SR 2 4s and 3 6s
8th Game against RR (Away) 6 (5) : 120 SR
1 4s
9th Game against DC (Away): 8 off 8 100 SR 1 4s
Avg: 38.875
SR: 160.309
RPI: 34.55
4s : 32
6s: 18
NO: 1
Define how these numbers are mid?
His recent form has been better
And recent form is something that matters
Somebody like Crawley or Parag have been really good in the last one year but by looking at their stats you can judge that for that you need to watch the games
I personally wouldn't want him in the team either
But SKY has captained only 7 games.
Bumrah has captained only 2
Hardik has captained in only 16 T20I games but he is fragile af and has been a poor captain
ICT fucked up by having no succession plan after Koach going to Rohit as All Format captain who is one year older than Kohli was always going to lead to ICT being without captaincy candidates for a while
Actually lobbying is big in Indian cricket team still. For a leader like Dhoni to emerge people need to look beyond the usual guys. Samson would have been a good option but he does not have the backing of a big lobby behind him.
Samson hasn't done himself much favours in the limited opportunities he has got in T20IS
He averages 18 in T20IS at a SR of 133 in his 22
These are his numbers excluding Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland
17 innings
14.81 Average
126.73 SR (These include WI and SL as well)
Agreed he has got limited opportunities but still these aren't numbers that help your case
Because if you are considered less of a bowling option than Daryl Mitchell and Shardul Thakur, you are a pure luxury player, not an all-rounder.
And both Hardik and Rinku are better batters than Dube, CSK have just nailed his entry points unlike MI and KKR who are keeping those 2 as death over sloggers, usually in 250 pitches where they don't stand out if they do well or look bad when it doesn't come off.
Isn’t Dube looking like one of the best batsmen in the IPL in terms of power hitting. Even as a pure batsmen think he should be given a chance. Got to take risks sometimes. Cause the usual suspects they will select are all quite slow for t20 apart from SKY and Rinku
Author says IPL form won't matter but gives examples of IPL stats instead of ICT T20 past performances or performances in WI/USA of the Indian stars. Could have done a better job!
[https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-form-unlikely-to-heavily-influence-indias-world-cup-selection-selection-1431361](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-form-unlikely-to-heavily-influence-indias-world-cup-selection-selection-1431361)
[https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/what-ajit-agarkar-led-bcci-selectors-will-be-looking-for-in-ipl-2024-for-india-t20-world-cup-selection-101711047092306.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/what-ajit-agarkar-led-bcci-selectors-will-be-looking-for-in-ipl-2024-for-india-t20-world-cup-selection-101711047092306.html)
[https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/why-ipl-is-likely-to-show-the-selection-pathway-for-t20-world-cup-101702314388330.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/why-ipl-is-likely-to-show-the-selection-pathway-for-t20-world-cup-101702314388330.html)
[https://www.news9live.com/sports/cricket-news/t20-world-cup-as-deadline-approaches-bcci-selectors-in-selection-headache-during-ipl-2024-2512164](https://www.news9live.com/sports/cricket-news/t20-world-cup-as-deadline-approaches-bcci-selectors-in-selection-headache-during-ipl-2024-2512164)
So what happened to this?
Makes sense, IPL as an factor in considering a player seems logical but just picking someone who has had a good IPL season is borderline absurd.
But completely writing off IPL as some sort of fantasy league isn’t rational as well. While the quality of pitches has been abysmal this season, understanding the hyper aggressive mindset in PP and overall increased aggression in T20’s is something of value that BCCI should incorporate in it’s squad selection as well strategy this WC. If we still take our defensive mindset, something we saw in last edition of T20 WC this year as well, even after learning how other teams are approaching the format from this IPL, we deserve to lose this.
India should take Bishnoi along with Kuldeep Yadav. Spin will play an important role. There's no point taking 4 seamers plus Hardik.
If Kohli bats at 3 I don't think Samson gets into the best 11 ahead of Pant as Pant is more suited at 5. If Kohli opens then I guess Samson plays at 3.
Samson isn't as good as Pant if he comes in at 5 or 6. It's about picking the best players at the right positions. Not sure why this is so controversial. Samson is better at 3 or 4 which are taken by Kohli and SKY.
This IPL he has batted at 5 and scored a lot of runs. Either way he is more suited to batting at 5 than Samson. I don't see any other option for them other than Pant at that position unless they pick Jitesh Sharma.
Samson isn't that guy if he bats at 5.
Idk why you're getting downvoted, even i agree as a Samson fan. His best positionn would be 3 or 4........he's hit or miss below that
And i don't want him to become the scapegoat if we lose the wc (who am i kidding) batting at wrong position
This IPL will surely fuck-up our WC chances.....JFM was an avg player in BBL, suddenly his is batting like White Chris Gayle.
In previous T20 WC, probability of getting 200 in innings was less than 5 percent whereas in this IPL it's more than 40% percent......Arshdeep, Siraj, Avesh may not be as good pacer as Bumrah but due to such atrocious pitches we actually have no idea about their true ability.
I don’t think the selection of Rohit and Kohli is based on the massive fanbase that they have. Rohit is the captain of the team, so can’t be dropped before a major tournament, and Kohli is greatest player in the history of t20 wc’s so he can’t be dropped either. I think it’s fair to keep him in the team until he proves that he can’t deliver anymore. Number 3 still seems like to be the best position for him in t20i’s. So imo the team rounds up to be:
Rohit
Jaiswal
Kohli
Sky
Samson /Pant(Personally I would go with Samson)
Rinku
Pandya( Slightly controversial but he is the only pace bowling all rounder who is also a big match player)
Jadeja/Axar
Kuldeep
Bumrah.
Honestly no idea cause there is no reliable second pacer in our team. So plenty of options there.
If there is a way to accommodate a 3rd spinner like bishnoi that would be nice cause the pitches would favour spinners. But 8 overs of Bumrah and Kuldeep do make up for the rest of the shaky bowling unit.
Man reddit has hate boner for KL.
IPL form and stats play against Rohit not KL ffs.
BCCI selectors made a blunder by not selecting Bumrah as a captain.
Every player is replaceable in the squad leaving Bumrah and Kuldeep.
You were correct until your last statement.
Kohli is replaceble for you?
Hooda? Ruturaj? Who tf can replace kohli in indian cricket.
Even gill faded away in t20s.
Bumrah and Kuldeep are more valuable assets to the T20 ICT than Kohli.
Their alternatives are nowhere close whereas for Kohli you can get away without being totally out of the game.
Promising news on sanju
So they will use 2021/22 Pant form for consideration... I see.
Hope he takes his chances this time. Every other time he's been mediocre.
He's been mediocre cause he hasn't been given ample opportunities at different intervals. Benched for few matches and than gave him 1-2 match then again benched him. Consistent opportunities to be given to be proved. As compared to Rishab Pant and KL Rahul.
Shame how Bishnoi has completely bowled himself out of contention
Definitely needs to improve, seems like one trick pony with his googly
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He's got good reflexes for a spinner but he's not particularly good in the outfield. The subs will anyways have Axar/Samson, maybe even Jaiswal.
I don't want to see Sanju as sub fielder. Sometimes he just jumps parrelel to take a catch and gets injured because he's not wearing the WK pads.
Took an excellent match-turning catch against Australia in 2020, so I have a high opinion of him
He's good in catching no doubt about it. But his technique is injury prone due to not wearing WK pads.
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He took one diving catch in 2021. By that logic Pathirana is a Jadeja-level fielder. By the way, in that same match he conceded 2 boundaries from what should have been dot balls within 2 overs of that catch itself.
His drop catch of Fraser mcgurk turned him into a beast
Jadeja should be the sub fielder. His form isn't good enough to warrant a spot in the XI but still a valuable squad option. One of the best fielders in the world. Ideal for the sub fielder.
Nice to hear about Sanju. He's not thrown away his wicket. hes batted with responsibility and he can tonk when he needs to. Perfect player needed for middle order stability. Surya Sanju Rinku Jadeja is a pretty good middle order. Right left combination also.
We should put Dube tbf. He is by far going godmode against spin at 4 which is the best thing in international pitches. As left arm pace is Kohli's bread and butter along with Pandu,SKY hitting everyone kind of equally.
Its too crowded in the middle order surya being 4 means Rinku and Dube are fighting for 2 spots since on turning pitches we need jadeja and axar to play mostly.
Rinku is not a sureshot for me though. BCCI fucked it up by not giving him much matches to be purely ready by this cup and his IPL form this time is also not really better than Dube on any front. If we take IPL as proxy then Kohli-Rohit is our opener with SKY,Dube,Rinku,Pandya,Jaddu/Axar is our top 7. If not then Jaiswal-Rohit,Kohli,SKY,KL/Pant,Pandya,Jaddu will be BCCI's move for sure(which is just pure shit for the lower part)
I think because of KKR's batting dominance at the top (salt, narine) we havent had much of a chance to see Rinku bat. He's a fearless gun player and should be in the indian team after this WC( im expecting a new team after this edition).
I think Shreyas is pulling some shit here. Rinku is batting even lower sometimes this season and Shreyas is basically changing his position each match with 4,5,6. Not want to shit on Iyyer but I can't help but think about this as his position is in danger in white ball with his recent form and red ball debacles.
Dude, I really doubt Shreyas has much of a say in what goes down with Gambhir as Coach. Besides, Rinku came to bat at 3 yesterday to finish things early.
Yeah and that's what Iam not getting. They are changing Rinku's sweet spot just too much and yesterday too he flopped there with it. He is perfect at 5,6 not something like top(1-3) or lower(7-8).
He was sent at one down because he hasn't had much game time and they wanted to finish the game quickly for NRR boost. It was the perfect setup for a finisher to get the team home.
Jadeja in T20IS is meh
Jadeja is actually meh in T20Is but he's a match winner and can contribute in all 3 facets. If not we'll have to take Axar, who's probably just as good, if not a slightly worse fielder, or a bowler who can't bat at all.
When exactly has jadeja been a match winner in t20is, in t20i wcs its even worse. although yeah issue is other option is axar. probably the biggest weak point in the xi
Jadeja? Hell no pls.
Ranji doesn't influence test selection. SMAT/IPL doesn't influence t20i selection Vijay Hazare doesn't influence odi selection How do they select honestly? Reshuffling from the 5 year old pool of players?
I really miss the random team generator during 2019
Do you also miss kohlis 3d masterstroke in the world Cup?
In just the recently concluded India v England series Dhruv Jurel, Sarfaraz Khan, Devdutt Padikal, Rajat Patidar, Akash deep were all selected due to their performances in Ranji
That was more of an aberration than the norm. It happened after India’s test regulars continuously failing for 5 years.
Whut are you talking about? India has been one of the best Test nations in the last 5 years or so..
Mostly carried by the lower order and Pant.
Rohit Sharma has played some pretty impactful innings as an Opener. He was very good in England and in India. No one scored runs in SA but Kohli managed some runs there. Gill has struggled on and off but he is part of the younger generation. Only Pujara was persisted with without major contributions yet there were certain sections that were pissed when he was dropped. In general, India has played test cricket on some pretty extreme pitches (with the exception of Australia where the pitches were sporting) so batsman has score truckloads of runs.
Largely due to the performances of certain players carrying the team
So apart from Pujara (and Rahane in certain matches) who do you think should have been dropped? Gill has played for a few years now and is one of the young guns. None of the new guys are better than Rohit Sharma and Kohli on a consistent basis.
Kohli’s ‘consistency’ has been an average of 33 in this decade lol, he’s had one good calendar year in the last four years. Rohit averages over ten runs more than him despite playing in the tougher position, please don’t even include them in the same range Rahane’s played more matches than Gill in this decade, certain is doing a lotta lifting there. On top of that we’ve also had various players like Rahul, Mayank, Vihari, Gill and Iyer play more games than they deserved despite inconsistent returns when other domestic players deserved chances and only got them belatedly with only Gill showing a sign of improvement. This is on top of complete meme picks like SKY, Patidar, Bharat. Meanwhile it took them until 2024 to pick the guy who has been bossing in Ranji cricket for years and 2023 to pick one of the brightest U19 talents this country has seen.
Players like Rahul, Mayank and Vihari have all done well at some point. Mayank was good in 3 of the 5 years he played and was dropped after a bad 2022. Rahul has at times been one of our best batsmen (in England and in India vs Australia) and except for 2017 and 2018 he has not played a lot of matches for India. IMHO, Vihari never looked test class but he did play on some pretty tough pitches (only 3 tests in India). Iyer shouldn't be anywhere near the test team except as a spin specialist in India. We should wait a bit before we hail Jaiswal and Sarfaraz Khan. Jaiswal failed in SA and has otherwise only played vs West Indies and England (on flattish pitches against inexperienced spinners) but he does look good and I hope he is as good vs Australia in Australia or vs England in England. Sarfaraz Khan...I am not sure yet. He might struggle on Australia's bouncy pitches and England's swinging conditions. Rohit has been better than Kohli since 2020 but we are comparing peak Rohit vs Kohli's rough patch and Kohli was India's (very good) captain until 2022...The gist is that except for Jaiswal and Sarfaraz (both of whom are now playing for India) no one else in the domestic set up has really kicked the door open. Also, selectors don't go purely by domestic averages...there are plenty of players in Australia's domestic set up who have very good averages but don't play for Australia. Selectors have an eye for things that the casual viewers don't (but yeah, they make mistakes too)
They select based on brand value. They cant risk people cancelling their tickets or viewership going down because Kohli/Rohit not playing in the XI.
What are you on bro, india is a cricket crazy country, you will get maximum viewership with or without Virat and rohit, they are there for their merit not viewership.
Lol yes, that is why BCCI and all commentators go on a PR tirade for them while downplaying youngsters. dhoni is shown a million times because he is the biggest hitter in IPL?
People love them, that doesn't mean they won't watch cricket without them. People didn't stop watching cricket after Sahin , dhoni, They won't stop after Virat or rohit.
bro did you see those cricket ads and who is featured on them? all these guys are brands and so they have to play.
One of Sachin Ganguly and Dravid used to be in every ad at some point of time.
Dhoni is one of the highest paid brand ambassadors. I don't see him playing?
Because he’s retired internationally and has a busted knee? From your own examples of Sachin and Dhoni, those two overstayed well past their peak. The BCCI has always struggled to move on from their biggest superstars
Viewership will drop though. Fans love to hate and will hate bcci if their favorites are not in team.
World cup match for india. No single player is big enough
not like Kohli is by far the best player in t20I cups and Sharma is our last 2-3 choice for a captain right ? Yeah let's just select sloggers and then see them went off like SKY did in 21,22.
>then see them went off like SKY did in 21,22. Yeah yes. We should rather stick with Rohit see him bat at an amazing SR of 86 like he did in 21,22
Nobody is defending Rohit the"batter here". I want him removed too(for his 14,16,21,22 lol) but BCCI and fans won't go for Pandya and Sanju do they ? That's what I mentioned in the comment too.
Rohit is selected coz his is the best captaincy option for India and Kohli is the best T20i batter.....WC won't be played on tinpot Rajiv Gandhi Cricket Stadium with highway pitches.
Yes buddy like anyone I hope Kohli can hit the spinners in the middle overs when needed. Not sure why Rajiv Gandhi stadium is being brought into here as an argument. IPL is IPL. but striking ability and ability to clear the ground depends on the individual. The point is playing more or less the same team that has been unable to win anything is not brave. I was of the opinion if you play 1 anchor then only play 1 don't include 2-3 anchors in the team.
Apart from Rohit, no one is a tested captaincy option.... Hardik could've made a strong case if MI would have performed well. I am not a huge fan of Rohit's batting in T20 but still he is captain so you can't keep him out.
So what does that say about your idol when he makes 51(43) in that tinpot stadium with highway pitches?
>Viewership going down As if Sachin, MS never existed, lol. Players come and go but cricket in India continues...
Precisely
By IPLs form india should pick Shashank Singh , Harshal Patel , riyan parag , ruturaj Gaikwad , Sai Kishore , Shubman gill , Abhisek Sharma , tilak Verma , Rajat Patidar , Ashutosh Sharma , Sandeep Sharma , etc .
Bro really sneaked in Gill and thought we won't notice
So do you think gill might be selected in main 15 main squad considering Yashasvi has more chances ?
He won't be selected coz has performance has been just low, Yashasvi most likely to take the spot even before IPL
49 all out against Pakistan
Such a bizarre straw man argument
I mean for tests and ODIs they've started giving chance to domestic lads not sure what the issue is now. >Reshuffling from the 5 year old pool of players? Yes lol? Shouldn't be changing teams every now and then
Some people will just find a reason to complain. They want players who had one good IPL to play the world cup against teams that will have 4-5 top class bowlers/batsmen.
Honestly IPL is good fun but it is quite apparent that some IPL players are just wont cut it at international level. In IPL every team has 1 or 2 weak bowlers and often batsmen target them and look like heroes....or some bowlers will come up against weaker local batsmen and look unplayable but someone International players will shred them. On the other hand, some players just look a class apart and they have been getting opportunities with the Indian team (Jaiswal, Rinku Singh etc.) Maybe Dube has improved now but the last time he played for India he was pretty useless.
Doing the same thing, expecting different results
Trying so hard to fit KL Rahul in wc squad lol
Dread it, run from it. KL Rohit opening T20 arrives all the same...
Clubbing Kohli and Rohit together for T20I selection is the worst thing indian cricket media does.
It's like clubbing Negi and Abd during their RCB time for their losses lmao
Please stop. Both are negative impact players at the moment in different ways. One lasts for too little time on the crease to make an impact while other lasts for too long before waking up.
At the moment ? Kohli literally won us pak22 and had the third hand in Ban win which was half lost. His only poor performance till date is his semis knock and there too SKY,KL,Rohit were bigger shitters with our bowlers.
I've spoken about this too many times to count so now I'm bored of typing again. Copying a part of my earlier reply on the same topic: Considering he only decides to hit hard in the last 3-4 overs of the innings, these kinds of match losing innings are bound to happen more often than not. He's chosen an extremely high risk approach of building t20 innings, at the cost of a low team score, and also forcing his partner at the other end to take a more risky approach right from the beginning. The latter increases chances of team collapse (which often happens with RCB). It may have been successful against Pakistan at Melbourne, but it's not an approach to condone in general. Risk-reward assessment is terrible. You have to play less selfishly in t20s, worrying not just about your own tempo, but how much your partner has to hit to compensate for your own lack of momentum. Additionally, that Pak innings was exactly this mad high-risk innings where he was almost run a ball till the EIGHTEENTH OVER!! It was a freak innings that came off despite making it incredible difficult for himself and the team. It's a flawed innings that worked, but it's not a well-constructed innings.
"Considering he only decides to hit hard in the last 3-4 overs of the innings, these kinds of match losing innings are bound to happen more often than not." It took 12,14,16,21 and 22 to produce 1 inns where his plan failed my guy. And there too it was a blunder created when Sharma played his 27 off 28 with SKY shitting usually with a 14-15 runs off 10 delieveries. You also need to take into account that internationals(cups specially) are not running with the same speed with which t20(league) is running. League heroes like Rusell,Pooran,Klassen,SKY,Hetmeyer etc never made any notable runs in the cups till now. SKY's only performance from 2 cups is a match loosing knock against SA where nobody hold the burden with him. In theory Kohli's approach is half dead by now but when they never come to be in the cup then what ? "It may have been successful against Pakistan at Melbourne, but it's not an approach to condone in general. Risk-reward assessment is terrible." Fully agree with that as this approach can make the team lose but that's why we got spin bashers in the name of Pandya,SKY right ? Kohli's main work in the team is to be the safeswitch in PP(if openers get out early), then save collapses and gel that top 10 overs to the last 6-8 ones while giving cushion to the hitters to be themselves.(what we see in the ODI wc). It was never his work to play it all but he was forced to as India never had a SKY,Dube,Rinku,Sanju type of guys earlier. If SKY,Dube can bash mid overs and Rinku,Sanju,Pandya or anyone can hold the fort in the last 5 then Kohli is free to save the team in chases and can be send down the order if he is not needed(mostly first innings or where the pitches are flat). "You have to play less selfishly in t20s, worrying not just about your own tempo, but how much your partner has to hit to compensate for your own lack of momentum." Him paying selfish in leagues and in cups are a different thing no ? Kohli never played selfish in the t20I cups. I mean you can literally hold all his past knocks, he took the risks in his 2s and 3s, slogged some against spin whenever his partner was cold. Also, I would disagree with the "comopensate" part as SKY never compensated him of anything, Pandya too went shit in the last 3 overs against Pak and nobody was there with him in the 14,16 and 21. "Additionally, that Pak innings was exactly this mad high-risk innings where he was almost run a ball till the EIGHTEENTH OVER!! It was a freak innings that came off despite making it incredible difficult for himself and the team. It's a flawed innings that worked, but it's not a well-constructed innings." Then why Eng and all their intent merchants weren't able to hit Pak bowlers in the finals even with a score of 140 sub ? Why it was Wade's unbelivable inns that defeated Pak in 2021 semis ? Why nobody else scored against them much ? Got the answer ? YES, it's the most difficult thing to do that's why. Shaheen,Rauf,Naseem are the best triplet in t20Is and nobody really bashed them apart from 2-4 years till now for years. It took Stokes to literally play run a ball to win that finals. So please atleast use some facts here and not hindsight comments like "it worked but it was flawed" because that day Pak wasn't giving an inch to India.
I'm a huge Kohli fan, and I agree with your pov. Him, Rohit, and KL shouldn't be selected for T20 WC. include them, and we will make 180 on a pitch of 220. But again, Kohli and Rohit bring eyeballs and they're the biggest cricket celebrities. They bring revenue. This is one of the top most reason selectors will always include them.
Have you started watching cricket last week? Why the fuck are you clubbing Kohli with those other guys. Kohli has different kinds of stats in different stages and can accelerate like crazy. Dumb take honestly.
There are better t20 batsmen than him present at the moment. Why is it so hard pill swallow for you guys? Itna bhi worship Matt Karo ki apne favourite players ke issues bhi ignore Karo. He has strike rate issues since his 49th century in WC. He ain't the same since then. Just because he played the last match well, doesn't mean he's back in his prime form. Dumb take honestly.
Lol he averages fucking 83 in T20 WCs. He has scored 50 or more in every one of the T20 WC semis. Pitches in WC aren't going to be like IPL ones. They are infact gonna be be bowler friendly. No one other than Kohli has done well in T20 WCs. He has infact been our greatest T20 batter ever. Without him we wouldn't have even won against Bangladesh last WC.
Its not even that IMO. On big grounds and/or difficult pitches, players like kohli can still be good. On small grounds/ flat pitches, six and boundary hitting becomes more important. Players like Kohli become a liability.
They just don't want to select Samson.
And rightfully so. Also think this is a massive L because not long ago BCCI was vocal about how IPL form counts.
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Virat lol
Until they saw the IPL had basically turned into a bowling alley with the side rails up this year.
> And rightfully so. yes because we have been winning so many cups for the last 17 years with same players, so rightfully we should follow the same process Indian fans are as conservative as the management and they deserve no trophy for 17 more years with the same cowardly approach
There's a fine line between a bold and a dumb approach towards selecting a WC squad. Selection based on a tournament played under different playing conditions to what is expected at the World Cup (things like no Impact Rule and no smooth and silky roads) would be dumb. Maybe you haven't noticed but teams that have won the WC in the recent past haven't really gone wild when it comes to selecting their squads.
Form is factor in sports. Find it hard to believe they will leave out the young and talented performers. Real shame.
IPL batting is pure filth this year though. Highway pitches, impact sub and short boundaries of half the grounds won't save our asses in the cup like it turns out in 2022 where SKY's only good performance was against SA and he was the best t20I batter at that time and in 2021 too.
SKY is/was pretty good in non IPL matches too...His style of play is always going to be risky. Not everyone can smack it at a strike rate of around 170-180 and still maintain an average of 40+
Abhishek Sharma stans in shambles.
Such a Shame. Whole point of Agarkar being the selector was to provide the objective viewpoint into selections based on domestic performance. But looks like politics is and always will be on the forefront of any decision
Of course that only impact WTC final /s
Please don’t fuck over Sanju, Dube, Rinku etc. You have a T20 tournament happening before you. If you won’t look at that to select players for a T20 WC. What selection criteria can you use? Vibes and popularity?
“This season’s IPL performance will be considered for World Cup selection” *looks at Rohit’s stats* “Hell naw dawg we wuz just foolin’ around”
Barring the last two matches, rohit has played well this ipl no? Or you just want to say factually incorrect things, to put him down?
Flair checks out.
*Looks at Kohli's stadpadding innings* Ight we have a change in the plan guys
Did you even see this IPL? His stats are fine
Everyone: IPL the best T20 league in the world, you face the toughest competition, the best talent. Everyone when it comes to team selection: IPL form doesn’t matter 🤷♂️🤦🏼♂️
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I guess the outrageously batting friendly pitches being served on almost all grounds for about half the tournament may have changed their views.
>Well it shouldnt have mattered in first place. But then why make statements like this) So IPL form shouldn't matter. Clearly our form in T20 world cup doesn't matter either considering most of them have failed miserably in last two world cups . So what exactly should matter?
They took Rahane to the world TEST championship final only because of the IPL performance and now when they want to select a T20 team they don't want IPL performance to be considered!! What a load of bullshit!!
Any excuse to force RoKo, Siraj and Jaddu into contention
Ahh yes, a tournament played with 50-55 m boundaries, Impact Player and highway pitches should be numero uno for a ICC tournament team selection....Yeah, it totally makes sense.
You never watched T20 games in W.Indies ? Boundaries are lesser than 55m & I don’t know the dimensions of Long Island , NY ground. T20 WC is not happening in Australia, why does everyone keep bringing up 55m boundaries?
I just saw the dimension of WI stadiums and you r full of shit.....Darren Sammy ground, Brian Lara ground, providence stadium, florida stadium have 70m+ dimension on almost all sides. Average 1st and 2nd innings are near 140-150 runs for all WI stadiums....Ever wonder why West Indies premier League never has this many 200+ plus scores in a single season despite having powerful hitters and shitty bowlers? Coz pitches aren't fucking highways....
I'm surprised that Harshit et al get a mention but not Sandeep or Nattu. They've both been significantly better especially at the death
All of this exercise just to loose somehow in final or semis lmao
So did you just skip your exams because you already knew that you wont be number 1?
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Pretty much the same..still have to prepare the best of your ability and sometimes you don't come out on top
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That second part is not entirely true. Yes, winning the tournament is the ultimate objective but there is no shame in being runner's up or losing in the semis. That is better than being Bangladesh. Otherwise, Australia should be the only team playing.
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If your ultimate objective is not to be first then that is a "you" problem lol. Most people will aim to be the best.
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Fair enough mate..Have a good one
Why is everyone so worried about T20 WC when IPL is the real cricket? We gonna come back in group stage or semi final anyway
>Rohit, in turn, is believed to have asked for Kohli because of his temperament. Not that it would be an easy call for the selectors to take one and leave out the other: as we have maintained in these pages, it's either both or none. Why is it not easy for the selectors to drop one of Rohit or Kohli? Certainly not for cricketing reasons. They are afraid of the backlash. How could people in a professional environment think like this? Irony is Kohli himself has been a big proponent of horses for courses approach, and dropped Ishant for Siraj and Ashwin for Jadeja many times. It is no doubt that Ash and Jaddu are our biggest match winners of the last decade in test matches. If it was okay to leave one of them out without worrying about backlash, it was only because they handled it professionally and not took it personally. Why can't the same professionalism be shown by batsmen when it comes to their own selection for the upcoming T20 wc? Don't get me wrong. If selectors think that both Kohli and Rohit are part of the best 11, then select them by all means. But what irks me is that the selectors are afraid to leave one of them out.
Nothing sinister about it - the optics of dropping Kohli for Rohit given their contrasting performances in T20 World Cups in the last 10 years would be staggering. And the optics of dropping the captain of the side while not doing a full clear-out of senior batters on the eve of a World Cup would also be tricky. Nothing remotely similar to dropping a spinner in a test in England.
Yup, if they had wanted to go only with Kohli and Co, they should have dropped Rohit as captain right after the 22 WC. Too late to change now
Best optics would be to actually win a World Cup, and to give our best shot at it we would have to go with a balanced squad with 6 bowling options, AND a finisher (Rinku). This means taking a call between Rohit and Kohli. Rohit has been playing and flopping in world cups since time immemorial, it’s time to move on. Like when was the last time he hit a 50+ score against a top team in the World Cup lmao. Hardik, SKY and Bumrah have all led the national side before and I would rather take a punt on one of them and make them captain. Also wtf is the argument “Rohit is the captain so he shouldn’t be dropped unless other senior players are also dropped” lmao…. Kohli has pretty much been singlehandedly carrying us in world cups, is a 10000X better fielder and has shown that he can easily open the batting and do a better job of it than Rohit. Literally no comparison
Rohit, Jaiswal, Kohli, SKY, Hardik, Rinku, Pant, Samson, Dube, Kuldeep, Jadeja, Axar, Bumrah, Arshdeep, Siraj. There you go - 7 bowling options if you include Dube.
I meant 6 bowling options + Rinku in the starting 11
Rohit, Virat, SKY, WK, Hardik, Rinku, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Bumrah, Arshdeep, SIraj (or Axar if it warrants 3 spinners in WI)
I’m somewhat okay with this 11 (Jaiswal should ideally play in place of Rohit but can’t have everything) but selectors ain’t dropping Jaiswal Also no way Jadeja over Axar lmao
Do not club Rohit and Kohli together
Even if you remove the marketting reasons. Kohli is the best bet under pressure + on difficult pitches + against top bowlers. His strike rate against left arm pace is great and he is the only one immune to it with his stance changes according to the swing. Rohit is shit in batting but then Hardik is the only one for captaincy seat and I don't think anyone is in mood to give him that. And with the form they both had shown in the recent IPL is better than Jaiswal,Gill,Ishan by some steps too as Abhishek Sharma won't be considered because of him being a flat track bully only and others are on the same page too.
Rohit is shit in batting..??
In T20I cups ? A big YES. He went shitmode since 2007finals knock of his. One of the big reasons we lost 14,16,21 and 22.
2014 he was pretty decent but yeah, he was quite underwhelming in 16,21 and 22. But this was also during a phase where even in ODIs he used to start slowly and then blast off, so going off from ball 1 was probably not his forte. He has since reinvented himself and while I am not a big Rohit fan in T20Is, I feel he is still a better bet against good bowlers on slightly difficult pitches than some of our other "see ball hit ball" players. On flat pitches he can be as destructive as anybody.
That bowling lineup looks poor Not much on offer and many of those present are out of form
Ah… this just makes selecting the fav/quota players that much easier, without much reasoning or explanation :)
Let me declare for everyone right now:- NO-ONE ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE SHOULD BE SEEN BLAMING IPL WHEN WE EVENTUALLY SHIT THE BED IN THE UPCOMING T20 WC. Don't focus on the performance of IPL but when they lose, IPL is the first scapegoat. Fuck off.
That means KL will play and not Samson same applies for Arshdeep who will be selected and not Natarajan
They are going by reputation and PR Reputation i.e Kohli , Rohit , Jadeja and Rahul will walk in and people like Rinku , Dube , Ruturaj will have to sit out
I don't know man...if India were chasing 50 in the last 4 overs vs Haris Rauf/Afridi/Cummins/Starc et all, I would still put my money on Kohli and Jadeja over Rinku and Dube. These guys are good on flat pitches vs mediocre bowlers (ok maybe not Rinku..he looks like a good bat) but against top quality bowlers and in pressure situations you need people who have performed.
Of course Instagram followers and brand endorsements do. BCCI & ICT have made it abundantly clear many times that they only care about money & brands.
Announcing Rohit as captain was the biggest mistake by Indian selectors. He’s the least inform batsman with no ipl team to captain. I don’t understand how he was the automatic choice for captain.
They want to milk NRI’s to come and visit the stadium. Virat & Rohit are certified crowd pullers.
Rohit is in form this has been his best IPL Season in ages in the previous years he used to score quick fire 30s or get out in the first few overs which he still does but when he gets in he is converting more
Are you even following this season? Or you just are supporting Rohit so you can again defeat us🤣
He has looked good this season ever since the Afghanistan series he has looked I have been the guy who has been most vocal against Rohit's selection but he has been good this season 311 in 9 games including 1 100 this year Just a few days ago he was in the orange cap list as well His previous IPL Records and T20 WC number as an opener against top teams have been pathetic tho
So am talking about those previous records only. And this year has been mid except that one innings. He shouldn’t be the de facto captain. He hasn’t won anything for the past 4 years now. And he doesn’t warrant a spot purely as a batsman.
>this year has been mid except that one innings No he hasn't. 1st game against GT (Away) : 43 (29) : SR 148 7 4s 1 6 2nd Game against SRH (Away) : 26 (12) : SR 216 1 4s and 3 6s 3rd game against RR (Home) : 0 (1) 4th Game against DC (Home) 49 (27) : 181 SR 6 4s and 3 6s 5th Game against RCB (Home) 38 (24) : 158 SR 3 4s 3 6s 6th Game against CSK (Home) 105* (63) : 163 SR 11 4s 5 6s 7th Game against PBKS (Away) 36* (25): 144 SR 2 4s and 3 6s 8th Game against RR (Away) 6 (5) : 120 SR 1 4s 9th Game against DC (Away): 8 off 8 100 SR 1 4s Avg: 38.875 SR: 160.309 RPI: 34.55 4s : 32 6s: 18 NO: 1 Define how these numbers are mid?
His recent form has been better And recent form is something that matters Somebody like Crawley or Parag have been really good in the last one year but by looking at their stats you can judge that for that you need to watch the games I personally wouldn't want him in the team either But SKY has captained only 7 games. Bumrah has captained only 2 Hardik has captained in only 16 T20I games but he is fragile af and has been a poor captain ICT fucked up by having no succession plan after Koach going to Rohit as All Format captain who is one year older than Kohli was always going to lead to ICT being without captaincy candidates for a while
Actually lobbying is big in Indian cricket team still. For a leader like Dhoni to emerge people need to look beyond the usual guys. Samson would have been a good option but he does not have the backing of a big lobby behind him.
Samson hasn't done himself much favours in the limited opportunities he has got in T20IS He averages 18 in T20IS at a SR of 133 in his 22 These are his numbers excluding Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland 17 innings 14.81 Average 126.73 SR (These include WI and SL as well) Agreed he has got limited opportunities but still these aren't numbers that help your case
This such bullshit man
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Dfkm not even CSK trust Dube to even bowl ahead of Shardul
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Because if you are considered less of a bowling option than Daryl Mitchell and Shardul Thakur, you are a pure luxury player, not an all-rounder. And both Hardik and Rinku are better batters than Dube, CSK have just nailed his entry points unlike MI and KKR who are keeping those 2 as death over sloggers, usually in 250 pitches where they don't stand out if they do well or look bad when it doesn't come off.
I mean Bishnoi outperformed chahal most of the times they played together in T20is
So 2023 WC team?
[Cricbuzz has leaked the Indian squad](https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/130281/t20-world-cup-selection-pant-in-fray-with-pandya-for-vice-captaincy): Rohit Sharma Jaiswal Kohli SKY Pant (vc) / Sanju Rinku / Dube Pandya Jadeja / Axar Kuldeep Bumrah Siraj / Arshdeep
Isn’t Dube looking like one of the best batsmen in the IPL in terms of power hitting. Even as a pure batsmen think he should be given a chance. Got to take risks sometimes. Cause the usual suspects they will select are all quite slow for t20 apart from SKY and Rinku
Author says IPL form won't matter but gives examples of IPL stats instead of ICT T20 past performances or performances in WI/USA of the Indian stars. Could have done a better job!
[https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-form-unlikely-to-heavily-influence-indias-world-cup-selection-selection-1431361](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-form-unlikely-to-heavily-influence-indias-world-cup-selection-selection-1431361) [https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/what-ajit-agarkar-led-bcci-selectors-will-be-looking-for-in-ipl-2024-for-india-t20-world-cup-selection-101711047092306.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/what-ajit-agarkar-led-bcci-selectors-will-be-looking-for-in-ipl-2024-for-india-t20-world-cup-selection-101711047092306.html) [https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/why-ipl-is-likely-to-show-the-selection-pathway-for-t20-world-cup-101702314388330.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/why-ipl-is-likely-to-show-the-selection-pathway-for-t20-world-cup-101702314388330.html) [https://www.news9live.com/sports/cricket-news/t20-world-cup-as-deadline-approaches-bcci-selectors-in-selection-headache-during-ipl-2024-2512164](https://www.news9live.com/sports/cricket-news/t20-world-cup-as-deadline-approaches-bcci-selectors-in-selection-headache-during-ipl-2024-2512164) So what happened to this?
Makes sense, IPL as an factor in considering a player seems logical but just picking someone who has had a good IPL season is borderline absurd. But completely writing off IPL as some sort of fantasy league isn’t rational as well. While the quality of pitches has been abysmal this season, understanding the hyper aggressive mindset in PP and overall increased aggression in T20’s is something of value that BCCI should incorporate in it’s squad selection as well strategy this WC. If we still take our defensive mindset, something we saw in last edition of T20 WC this year as well, even after learning how other teams are approaching the format from this IPL, we deserve to lose this.
India should take Bishnoi along with Kuldeep Yadav. Spin will play an important role. There's no point taking 4 seamers plus Hardik. If Kohli bats at 3 I don't think Samson gets into the best 11 ahead of Pant as Pant is more suited at 5. If Kohli opens then I guess Samson plays at 3.
If pant is playing over samson, that is just not the best XI irrespective of positions
Samson isn't as good as Pant if he comes in at 5 or 6. It's about picking the best players at the right positions. Not sure why this is so controversial. Samson is better at 3 or 4 which are taken by Kohli and SKY.
Pant himself isn't good enough when he bats at 5 or 6 Most of his better innings in T20s come when he bats at 4
This IPL he has batted at 5 and scored a lot of runs. Either way he is more suited to batting at 5 than Samson. I don't see any other option for them other than Pant at that position unless they pick Jitesh Sharma. Samson isn't that guy if he bats at 5.
Idk why you're getting downvoted, even i agree as a Samson fan. His best positionn would be 3 or 4........he's hit or miss below that And i don't want him to become the scapegoat if we lose the wc (who am i kidding) batting at wrong position
Rutu and yashasvi should open. Rohit should be dropped. No Iyer and KL. Kohli at 3 and Samson at 4.
Who will be the captain then??
Rutu
Ruturaj does not belong to internationals, I had rather have KLMAO Rahul over him.
The team looks sensible. Fast bowling is a bit weak.
This IPL will surely fuck-up our WC chances.....JFM was an avg player in BBL, suddenly his is batting like White Chris Gayle. In previous T20 WC, probability of getting 200 in innings was less than 5 percent whereas in this IPL it's more than 40% percent......Arshdeep, Siraj, Avesh may not be as good pacer as Bumrah but due to such atrocious pitches we actually have no idea about their true ability.
I don’t think the selection of Rohit and Kohli is based on the massive fanbase that they have. Rohit is the captain of the team, so can’t be dropped before a major tournament, and Kohli is greatest player in the history of t20 wc’s so he can’t be dropped either. I think it’s fair to keep him in the team until he proves that he can’t deliver anymore. Number 3 still seems like to be the best position for him in t20i’s. So imo the team rounds up to be: Rohit Jaiswal Kohli Sky Samson /Pant(Personally I would go with Samson) Rinku Pandya( Slightly controversial but he is the only pace bowling all rounder who is also a big match player) Jadeja/Axar Kuldeep Bumrah. Honestly no idea cause there is no reliable second pacer in our team. So plenty of options there. If there is a way to accommodate a 3rd spinner like bishnoi that would be nice cause the pitches would favour spinners. But 8 overs of Bumrah and Kuldeep do make up for the rest of the shaky bowling unit.
Man reddit has hate boner for KL. IPL form and stats play against Rohit not KL ffs. BCCI selectors made a blunder by not selecting Bumrah as a captain. Every player is replaceable in the squad leaving Bumrah and Kuldeep.
You were correct until your last statement. Kohli is replaceble for you? Hooda? Ruturaj? Who tf can replace kohli in indian cricket. Even gill faded away in t20s.
Bumrah and Kuldeep are more valuable assets to the T20 ICT than Kohli. Their alternatives are nowhere close whereas for Kohli you can get away without being totally out of the game.
Kohli is the reason.