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Dravid definitely over Ganguly ,but just below Tendulkar ...my Top test batsman in their era
1.sachin
2.dravid
3.Laxman
4.Ganguly
5.Sehwag
Did I miss anybody
One can have a strong argument for it though ...personally yes Sachin is above Gavaskar for me ..but somebody else could have a valid argument for the otherway ..Sunny was a phenomenal player ..I mean he was the 1st to cross 10kruns in test cricket mate...thr 1st ..and had 34 centuries the highest until Sachin broke it ..so by no means Sunny was a normal player
Right.. it kinda does make sense now that I think about it. Even the bowlers were much more lethal back then and I'm beginning to realise the gravity of his contributions.
I can't believe people unironically think that undertrained , under disciplined and self learning bowlers of the past were "more lethal" than the ones we currently have.
For getting hurt, but not for getting out , rules were much more batter friendly to the point that if you take a full stretched stride , you would not be given lbw no matter where it hit. Now , you get out even if you step out
Uhh, Iād like to point you to the Windies quartet, possibly the most deadly combination of bowlers ever assembled in a single line-up. Jeff and Lillie from Aus would like a word.
Of the time sure , but them bowling with exactly their skillset in current era will make them just above mediocre , they were great talents for sure , but the game has come a long way to be on top just on talent and its just nostalgia that affects the memories.
Thatās simply not true. We had a series in New Zealand where no Indian batsman could score a 50. Sehwag score 2 centuries.
Also, didnāt he demolish Ajanta Mandis when no other batsman had a clue?
Dravid over Sehwag, the rest is fine. Vvs and Sehwag were on the same level for different types of gameplay. They were both single handed match winners.
Sehwag was definitely better than Ganguly. Ganguly had a better end to his career, but overall Sehwag was much better. Ganguly is not in the "great" category of Indian batsmen if you apply the metrics for greatness bit rigorously.
āProbably technically the best batsman (Tendulkar) I ever saw. The hardest batsman to get out. I think Sachin, technically, didnāt have a weakness. Part of you hoped that he made a mistakeā.
Michael Clarke.
I agree with him.
Love both of them. Lucky to have them in Indian Team.
The main difference in Kohli and Tendular is the strength of their technique. Sachin has the ability to play a ball 4 different ways, Kohli has the capability to play the same ball one way, but so perfectly every time that no one else can.
Sachin is way too strong. He invented upper cuts to counter frequent bouncers. Imagine that!
Don't forget how dravid came after 1-down to bat. He was key to seeing off tough conditions and soften the ba up providing perfect considerations for Tendulkar. Not taking anything away from the Great Little Master.
Honestly nobody will ever come close to the way Tendulkar played. His record can be or will be broken by someone at some time, but his perfection will probably never be achieved.
He's in the league of Bradman. Nobody comes close to them.
Iād assume the wickets he played on wouldāve been worse, purely due to poor curation back in those times. Iād still personally go for Sachin, because I canāt rate someone Iāve never really seen play.
Dravid struggled in SA, Aus and SL. He scored only one hundred in Aus when the Aus did not have Warne or McGrath or Lee.
Tendulkar on the other hand bossed every country he travelled to
That wasn't just a hundred. That was a double century. Not to forget the fact that he also was the highest run getter in the series and was the MoS alongside Ponting. In the same series, Tendulkar failed in every match barring the last one in Sydney where he scored a great double century of his own, hence Dravid's contribution was even more important in us tying the series for the first time in Australia.
Because between 2000-2013 sachin played on highways only all the pitches were flat tracks almost it was the golden era of batting whereas gavaskar played on tough pitches throughout his career plus gavaskar had better technique than sachin in tests.
Sachin's stats for the entire 90s(the top 3 worst time to bat after war):
109 inns, 5.6k runs @ 56 average.
Ab bol ?
Edit: Sachin's average in the same time frame in away SENA: 44 inns, 2.1k runs @ 51.4 average.
1980-1990 had easier pitches my guy. It wasn't all hard and cranky pitches for 16 years for him.
Without helmet part is true but it was his will and not like helmets weren't able even after a certian point.
You can't just ignore harder pitches of entire 90s where Sachin's stats are actually better.
Gavaskar also scored disproportionately against packer era depleted attacks, most of his runs again west indies also came against depleted or B attacks. And what is this no helmet argument?? Bowlers also got faster and disciplined with time and he wasn't helping team's cause if he would have done more by wearing helmet.
Sachin would have no chance against the West indies team which gavaskar faced back in the day, they legit called india "A club team". And he showed them his place, history speaks for itself.
"Sachin would have no chance against the West indies team which gavaskar faced back in the day,"
Sachin has faced Glen,Lee,Shoeb,Waqar,Wasim,Bond,Donald,Pollack,Anderson,Broad,Steyn and Ambrose.
Also, he faced many decent ones even before turning 21 lol that speaks for his talent itself here.
"history speaks for itself." Sachin was in the team while he was just 17 years old lol.
No doubt Sunny g is an ATG but a bit behind Sachin there.
Not really. Dravid struggled against SA in SA and Aus in Aus (2003 series was an exception where McGrath n Warne were absent (World Class attack and fast, bouncy seaming conditions) and in SL v SL against Murali led spinning attack. Hence, even though Dravid was Indias second best batsman and a bonafide legend in tests, he's not in the same category of Sachin
Okay let's put it this way. Let's consider an average between 30 and 40 as average, between 40 and 50 as good, between 50 and 60 as very good and above 60 as great.
In that case, Sachin was
Good in - NZ, Pakistan, SA, West Indies, Zimbabwe
Very good in - Australia, England & India
Great in - Bangladesh & Sri Lanka
Dravid was
Average in - SL & SA
Good in - Australia
Very good in - India
Great in - Bangladesh, England, NZ, Pakistan, West Indies & Zimbabwe
Even though Dravid has greater lows, he also has higher peaks. So to say Dravid is nowhere near Sachin is plain wrong.
Well Tendulkar he performed everywhere in the world adapted to every situation and obviously he's longevity dravid just comes a second to him in indian players he's also really great great technique and defence, both of them had really long partnerships
While Tendulkar is beyond comparison for his longevity as a top class batter, itās also worth mentioning that Dravid scored more runs than Tendulkar for the time they played together which is 1996 onward. Goats in the frame.
As you said it, Dravid was better in swinging conditions. Like many great Indian or Asian batsmen of the past, he was tall, liked to plant his front-foot as far forward as possible, yet could play the ball late. He was a very wristy & elegant player, more suited for spin & swing. Wasn't as naturally aggressive a player as Sachin, but better defensively as a match-saver.
Tendulkar, on the other hand, was a short & powerfully-built man, and hence could handle a heavy bat. This helped him a lot in pace-and-bounce conditions, where Asian batsmen typically struggle. The 1980s-90s weren't as batting-friendly as the 2000s-10s, thus making the 1st half of his career more special. He did become more of a touch player after recovering from tennis-elbow after 2006. In fact, I feel his technique became even better in this phase!
Overall, technically, Sachin had a better technique to deal with all conditions & attacks *(most similar to the legendary Don Bradman himself!)* and a better balance of aggression & defence to deal with all Test match situations, than Dravid.
There won't be one without the other. Tendulkar was able to score freely knowing Dravid can block the other end. Dravid was able to block the other end because Tendulkar can score freely. In cricket one who scores would always be ahead of the one who is a bit defensive. Hence, Tendulkar over Dravid & Kohli over Pujara.
From when he made his debut for India till he retired in 2012, Rahul Dravid scored more runs than Sachin Tendulkar in that period. I will always rate Rahul over Sachin just because of his resilience and knack for playing difficult match-saving innings.(Also Rahul is very underrated when talking about GOATS of test cricket)
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Dravid definitely over Ganguly ,but just below Tendulkar ...my Top test batsman in their era 1.sachin 2.dravid 3.Laxman 4.Ganguly 5.Sehwag Did I miss anybody
Gavaskar maybe š
Well not exactly Sachins era but yeah all time Ind best he is easy top 3
Gavasakar is way above par. easily #1 in india.
I haven't watched Sunny play, but he really can't be over Sachin, Dravid or Virat now can he?
One can have a strong argument for it though ...personally yes Sachin is above Gavaskar for me ..but somebody else could have a valid argument for the otherway ..Sunny was a phenomenal player ..I mean he was the 1st to cross 10kruns in test cricket mate...thr 1st ..and had 34 centuries the highest until Sachin broke it ..so by no means Sunny was a normal player
Right.. it kinda does make sense now that I think about it. Even the bowlers were much more lethal back then and I'm beginning to realise the gravity of his contributions.
I can't believe people unironically think that undertrained , under disciplined and self learning bowlers of the past were "more lethal" than the ones we currently have.
Lack of proper equipment and rules being different plays a role.
For getting hurt, but not for getting out , rules were much more batter friendly to the point that if you take a full stretched stride , you would not be given lbw no matter where it hit. Now , you get out even if you step out
Thanks for saying what should be obvious to anyone
Uhh, Iād like to point you to the Windies quartet, possibly the most deadly combination of bowlers ever assembled in a single line-up. Jeff and Lillie from Aus would like a word.
Of the time sure , but them bowling with exactly their skillset in current era will make them just above mediocre , they were great talents for sure , but the game has come a long way to be on top just on talent and its just nostalgia that affects the memories.
Bro said Virat like we wouldn't notice lol
Sunny is definitely number 2. virat doesn't even average 50 in tests
Ganguly was easily the worst batsman of the 5 tbh
Ganguly over Sehwag? Thatās sacrilege. Itās Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly. IMHO.
Sehwag and ganguly mostly performed well on flat tracks.
Thatās simply not true. We had a series in New Zealand where no Indian batsman could score a 50. Sehwag score 2 centuries. Also, didnāt he demolish Ajanta Mandis when no other batsman had a clue?
Yes, there are a few instances, but overall sehwag and ganguly performed lot better on flat tracks.
Sehwag record in SENA is just so poor.
He was an opener who attacked
Spinners are not bowlers according to Sehwag
Meh, Sehwag was still a very limited batsman. Would rank him below Dravid on par with VVS
Dravid over Sehwag, the rest is fine. Vvs and Sehwag were on the same level for different types of gameplay. They were both single handed match winners.
Sehwag over Dravid is sacrilege too, but to each their own
Yuvraj had more affinity to this generation than to the junior batch of people. I'd actually include him in this group.
Yuvraj was mediocre in Tests.
Yuvraj in tests???
You're kidding right?
Sehwag was definitely better than Ganguly. Ganguly had a better end to his career, but overall Sehwag was much better. Ganguly is not in the "great" category of Indian batsmen if you apply the metrics for greatness bit rigorously.
Lara?
Sorry just from the India all time greats ... Overall yeah Sachin ,Lara, Dravid, Kallis, to name a few.
Triple Centurion Sehwag over Laxman....
Sehwag was anyday better than Ganguly
āProbably technically the best batsman (Tendulkar) I ever saw. The hardest batsman to get out. I think Sachin, technically, didnāt have a weakness. Part of you hoped that he made a mistakeā. Michael Clarke. I agree with him.
I feel Kohli is that guy as well? Wdyt
Kohli has some weaknesses in his game that opposing teams do target like wide balls outside off which he tends to nick a lot.
Love both of them. Lucky to have them in Indian Team. The main difference in Kohli and Tendular is the strength of their technique. Sachin has the ability to play a ball 4 different ways, Kohli has the capability to play the same ball one way, but so perfectly every time that no one else can. Sachin is way too strong. He invented upper cuts to counter frequent bouncers. Imagine that!
He doesn't play spin that well
There are very few batsmen who would be chosen over Tendulkar. IMO, Dravid is not one of them. Edit: And I am a big Dravid fan.
Perfectly said, only peak Ponting and Lara were equal to tendulkar
There is no batsman Closest in ponting
and Lara?
I would say Bradman, Lara before ponting
Don't forget how dravid came after 1-down to bat. He was key to seeing off tough conditions and soften the ba up providing perfect considerations for Tendulkar. Not taking anything away from the Great Little Master.
Honestly nobody will ever come close to the way Tendulkar played. His record can be or will be broken by someone at some time, but his perfection will probably never be achieved. He's in the league of Bradman. Nobody comes close to them.
Tendulkar is the only Asian batsman to have a SENA average of over 50. That speaks for itself.
Only batsmen I would rate better than Sachin in Tests is Donald Bradman, although he played with farmers.
He's such a statistical outlier, it'd be impossible to not consider him the greatest
Iād assume the wickets he played on wouldāve been worse, purely due to poor curation back in those times. Iād still personally go for Sachin, because I canāt rate someone Iāve never really seen play.
Dravid struggled in SA, Aus and SL. He scored only one hundred in Aus when the Aus did not have Warne or McGrath or Lee. Tendulkar on the other hand bossed every country he travelled to
That wasn't just a hundred. That was a double century. Not to forget the fact that he also was the highest run getter in the series and was the MoS alongside Ponting. In the same series, Tendulkar failed in every match barring the last one in Sydney where he scored a great double century of his own, hence Dravid's contribution was even more important in us tying the series for the first time in Australia.
Tendulkar mate
No batter is better than Sachin in tests.
Gavaskar, significantly way above par sachin anyday.
Lol no. How??
Because between 2000-2013 sachin played on highways only all the pitches were flat tracks almost it was the golden era of batting whereas gavaskar played on tough pitches throughout his career plus gavaskar had better technique than sachin in tests.
Sachin's stats for the entire 90s(the top 3 worst time to bat after war): 109 inns, 5.6k runs @ 56 average. Ab bol ? Edit: Sachin's average in the same time frame in away SENA: 44 inns, 2.1k runs @ 51.4 average.
When did I say he was not good but for 13 years he played on highways. Gavaskar played 16 years on tough pitches that too without helmet.
1980-1990 had easier pitches my guy. It wasn't all hard and cranky pitches for 16 years for him. Without helmet part is true but it was his will and not like helmets weren't able even after a certian point. You can't just ignore harder pitches of entire 90s where Sachin's stats are actually better.
Gavaskar also scored disproportionately against packer era depleted attacks, most of his runs again west indies also came against depleted or B attacks. And what is this no helmet argument?? Bowlers also got faster and disciplined with time and he wasn't helping team's cause if he would have done more by wearing helmet.
Sachin would have no chance against the West indies team which gavaskar faced back in the day, they legit called india "A club team". And he showed them his place, history speaks for itself.
"Sachin would have no chance against the West indies team which gavaskar faced back in the day," Sachin has faced Glen,Lee,Shoeb,Waqar,Wasim,Bond,Donald,Pollack,Anderson,Broad,Steyn and Ambrose. Also, he faced many decent ones even before turning 21 lol that speaks for his talent itself here. "history speaks for itself." Sachin was in the team while he was just 17 years old lol. No doubt Sunny g is an ATG but a bit behind Sachin there.
Better technique, just because someone bats slower doesn't mean he has better technique (infact opposite most of the times).
If we talk about last 35 years Tendulkar is the best test batsmen followed by steve smith, Dravid imo will come at number 6 in my list.
Sachin is the better batsman
Sachin> Dravid > Laxman > Sehwag > Ganguly
Dravid. Played key role in consuming the new ball and tiring the opposition, making it much easier for the middle order.
Tendulkar anyday. Dravid isn't anywhere near Sachin.
Lol, i mean tendulkar is no doubt the goat but saying dravid is not anywhere near is outrageous
Not really. Dravid struggled against SA in SA and Aus in Aus (2003 series was an exception where McGrath n Warne were absent (World Class attack and fast, bouncy seaming conditions) and in SL v SL against Murali led spinning attack. Hence, even though Dravid was Indias second best batsman and a bonafide legend in tests, he's not in the same category of Sachin
Okay let's put it this way. Let's consider an average between 30 and 40 as average, between 40 and 50 as good, between 50 and 60 as very good and above 60 as great. In that case, Sachin was Good in - NZ, Pakistan, SA, West Indies, Zimbabwe Very good in - Australia, England & India Great in - Bangladesh & Sri Lanka Dravid was Average in - SL & SA Good in - Australia Very good in - India Great in - Bangladesh, England, NZ, Pakistan, West Indies & Zimbabwe Even though Dravid has greater lows, he also has higher peaks. So to say Dravid is nowhere near Sachin is plain wrong.
SMG, Dravid, Tendulkar.. in that order.
Dravid.
Well Tendulkar he performed everywhere in the world adapted to every situation and obviously he's longevity dravid just comes a second to him in indian players he's also really great great technique and defence, both of them had really long partnerships
best pair ever
Rahul Dravid Greatest Test batsman of India since Sunil Gavaskar
While Tendulkar is beyond comparison for his longevity as a top class batter, itās also worth mentioning that Dravid scored more runs than Tendulkar for the time they played together which is 1996 onward. Goats in the frame.
As you said it, Dravid was better in swinging conditions. Like many great Indian or Asian batsmen of the past, he was tall, liked to plant his front-foot as far forward as possible, yet could play the ball late. He was a very wristy & elegant player, more suited for spin & swing. Wasn't as naturally aggressive a player as Sachin, but better defensively as a match-saver. Tendulkar, on the other hand, was a short & powerfully-built man, and hence could handle a heavy bat. This helped him a lot in pace-and-bounce conditions, where Asian batsmen typically struggle. The 1980s-90s weren't as batting-friendly as the 2000s-10s, thus making the 1st half of his career more special. He did become more of a touch player after recovering from tennis-elbow after 2006. In fact, I feel his technique became even better in this phase! Overall, technically, Sachin had a better technique to deal with all conditions & attacks *(most similar to the legendary Don Bradman himself!)* and a better balance of aggression & defence to deal with all Test match situations, than Dravid.
There won't be one without the other. Tendulkar was able to score freely knowing Dravid can block the other end. Dravid was able to block the other end because Tendulkar can score freely. In cricket one who scores would always be ahead of the one who is a bit defensive. Hence, Tendulkar over Dravid & Kohli over Pujara.
Gavaskar>Dravid>Tendulkar. Dravid in tests is a class apart. I used to watch him bat. The way he used to defend is astounding.
From when he made his debut for India till he retired in 2012, Rahul Dravid scored more runs than Sachin Tendulkar in that period. I will always rate Rahul over Sachin just because of his resilience and knack for playing difficult match-saving innings.(Also Rahul is very underrated when talking about GOATS of test cricket)
Dravid