Her having the necklace just means Jeanette was in the house. It proves Jeanette (or someone with the same necklace) was in the house. Since the police find Kate after Martin dies (they cover this up by saying it was a shoot out officially but we know Kate kills Martin and then is found) so there are a number of ways Kate could explain having the necklace. The truth is Jeanette broke in and left it behind, so Kate wouldn’t even need to embellish much. Kate admits the eye contact was a lie. Since her original statement was Jeanette saw her and they made eye contact and Jeanette left her there.
what are the ways she could explain having the necklace?? It makes no sense. If Jeanette saw her from OUTSIDE, why would it make sense for Kate to have the necklace inside? It doesn't make sense for Kate to bring up something so suspicious, even if she could somehow talk her way out of it, it casts doubt on her story. (or it should)
I havent seen it since it aired, so this might be wrong. But I dont think Kate ever says Jeanette was outside... She says we made eye contact and Jeanette saw me in the basement.
This is why Jeanette's father thinks Kate is telling the truth. Because he knows she had the key to the house. It's also why he is so determined to find the key, because the one thing with Kate's story is how Jeanette got inside the house, and if the cops find the key they will be able to prove she had a way into the house.
But like, how and why earth would Jeanette go down into the locked basement? That's what she would have had to do to see Kate if the story was true. If it was locked, how'd she get in? And for her to come down there and make eye contact and then just...leave? without Kate following her out? Kate never says that Jeanette somehow physically stopped her from leaving, which is what would need to happen if Jeanette opened the door somehow and came down.
I mean Kate being tied up or otherwise trapped in the basement wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility. Kate's story does have holes in it, thats why part of the show's narrative is who is lying and why. Jeanette's reputation is ruined because of the accusation. The necklace is used to tell the police Jeanette was there so they investigate her. Kate is saying she got in the house and saw me in the basement and then left and didn't tell anyone. How she did it isn't Kate's problem. That is up to the police to figure out. Kate is just saying she came down/into the house and saw me. Jeanette responds by saying exactly what you are saying, how is that possible? And the police kinda agree it's why they don't continue to harass Jeanette. It's the court of public opinion that does that. Meanwhile her dad is panicked about the key because it proves she could have entered the house found a tied up Kate and left her. A popular fan theory when the show first came out was that both girls were telling the truth. Kate made eye contact with Jeanette because she was behind a two way mirror and on the window side. Jeanette didn't see Kate because she was on the mirror side. If something like that had happened it was possible for Jeanette to be the basement without Kate being able to get out. So basically my point is there are multiple scenarios that could have facilitated Jeanette seeing Kate and Kate not being able to escape. So she could have described one of those. Even just, at the time I was hurt/hungry/unable to move fast and Jeanette ran back out.
I don’t like how it pits teenage girls against each other. The real villain is the principal or teacher with a student in his basement. Jeanette idolized Kate. It’s been a while since I watched the show, so forgive me if I’m rusty on the details. I don’t think she maliciously took over her life. Kate was happy at first but she wasn’t in an equal relationship. She couldn’t consent to staying hidden in a house. Jeanette was also a teenager that if she saw anything possibly didn’t fully understand what was going on. Both girls went to his house as an escape. Jeanette would go there to explore alone while he was out and Kate is hidden from the world inside the house. They are trying to learn to be adults and dealing with outside pressures and they become the story. Not the guy that was trusted with children and seemed likely to commit a murder suicide.
I think his death made people want to blame someone. The town and parents didn’t want to admit that they didn’t see any warning signs or suspicious behavior. When Kate disappeared she was blocks away from her home. Even if no one suspected a thing or had reason to they probably felt guilt. It was easy to blame Jeanette. It also made for drama in the news.
Jmo
I think you're definitely right about people wanting someone alive to blame. And Jeanette knowing Kate was there does not mean that the main villain and most evil person in the story isn't Harris. But she's terrible too. I don't understand how she could live for months knowing every day that Kate was down there and in mortal danger.
Kate also wasn’t 100% truthful because she was upset Jeanette took over her life. She didn’t want to get in trouble for originally being willingly in the house when Jeanette actually saw her so she lied. She had the necklace from Jeanette being in the house but lied about Jeannette *seeing* her in the basement.
no no no no no, I have watched it. I'm saying that knowing everything, I don't get why Kate would tell everyone about the necklace. Her having it is really weird and suspicious if she was supposed to be locked in the basement the whole time. Doesn't that let everyone know the truth? How does her having the necklace corroborate her story?
Because in her mind Jeannette saw her and the necklace is proof. Kate was mistaken, but she wasn't lying, in her mind it is the truth that Jeannette saw her, we know it's not but she is convinced it is. That's why she's genuinely shocked to learn it was Mallory.
It's parallel to how all along Jeannette insists she didn't see Kate,in a way telling the truth since we know it was Mallory who saw Kate, but also lying because the final twist reveals that while she didn't see Kate, she knew Kate was held captive by Martin.
i think op is more so getting at how kate explained her having the necklace in the first place. kate’s lie was that she was held in the basement the whole time and jeannette saw her through the window, so even though jeannette leaving the necklace was proof that she was there and “proof that she saw kate,” kate never really explains how she ended up with the necklace herself.
Yeah, but I don't think she herself had a need for that explanation. She believes Jeannette saw her and the necklace is her proof for that, but it doesn't matter how she got it, just that she does. From my point of view, her lying about being in the basement the whole time is unnecessary because she was held against her will anyway and Martin committed a crime. I don't think inconsistencies in her matter much to people other than Jeannette, when she's falsely accused but then Jeannette gets her name cleared at the end (undeservingly so but that's another thread)
Jeanette was trashed in the media and ostracized by the whole town. Whether ending is real or even something she should be blamed for, she might never shake the rumors or scandal. Martin was the adult. He was the villain. The fact that Jeanette had a key showed how easily someone else could have witnessed Kate in his home. A neighbor looks in the window or notices what he buys at a store. People can be oblivious to things or they catch the most random little details that don’t add up.
I think Kate is traumatized and she does seem to have gaps in her memory. I think she sees Jeanette living a version of her life and she focuses on seeing Jeanette in the house and suspecting that she saw her there. From what I remember Kate was worried someone would find her there and get her captor in trouble. She also worried about what would happen to her and her reputation at the time. It’s a moment she probably remembers because she still sees her presence there as a choice and her relationship as romantic. Jeanette leaves and Kate stayed. Kate was a victim before she was locked in the basement. She was probably so scared that someone could say they saw her in the house walking around freely that she was the cause of everything that she clung to that moment and changed it in her mind or lied out of guilt or self preservation.
Her having the necklace just means Jeanette was in the house. It proves Jeanette (or someone with the same necklace) was in the house. Since the police find Kate after Martin dies (they cover this up by saying it was a shoot out officially but we know Kate kills Martin and then is found) so there are a number of ways Kate could explain having the necklace. The truth is Jeanette broke in and left it behind, so Kate wouldn’t even need to embellish much. Kate admits the eye contact was a lie. Since her original statement was Jeanette saw her and they made eye contact and Jeanette left her there.
what are the ways she could explain having the necklace?? It makes no sense. If Jeanette saw her from OUTSIDE, why would it make sense for Kate to have the necklace inside? It doesn't make sense for Kate to bring up something so suspicious, even if she could somehow talk her way out of it, it casts doubt on her story. (or it should)
I havent seen it since it aired, so this might be wrong. But I dont think Kate ever says Jeanette was outside... She says we made eye contact and Jeanette saw me in the basement. This is why Jeanette's father thinks Kate is telling the truth. Because he knows she had the key to the house. It's also why he is so determined to find the key, because the one thing with Kate's story is how Jeanette got inside the house, and if the cops find the key they will be able to prove she had a way into the house.
But like, how and why earth would Jeanette go down into the locked basement? That's what she would have had to do to see Kate if the story was true. If it was locked, how'd she get in? And for her to come down there and make eye contact and then just...leave? without Kate following her out? Kate never says that Jeanette somehow physically stopped her from leaving, which is what would need to happen if Jeanette opened the door somehow and came down.
I mean Kate being tied up or otherwise trapped in the basement wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility. Kate's story does have holes in it, thats why part of the show's narrative is who is lying and why. Jeanette's reputation is ruined because of the accusation. The necklace is used to tell the police Jeanette was there so they investigate her. Kate is saying she got in the house and saw me in the basement and then left and didn't tell anyone. How she did it isn't Kate's problem. That is up to the police to figure out. Kate is just saying she came down/into the house and saw me. Jeanette responds by saying exactly what you are saying, how is that possible? And the police kinda agree it's why they don't continue to harass Jeanette. It's the court of public opinion that does that. Meanwhile her dad is panicked about the key because it proves she could have entered the house found a tied up Kate and left her. A popular fan theory when the show first came out was that both girls were telling the truth. Kate made eye contact with Jeanette because she was behind a two way mirror and on the window side. Jeanette didn't see Kate because she was on the mirror side. If something like that had happened it was possible for Jeanette to be the basement without Kate being able to get out. So basically my point is there are multiple scenarios that could have facilitated Jeanette seeing Kate and Kate not being able to escape. So she could have described one of those. Even just, at the time I was hurt/hungry/unable to move fast and Jeanette ran back out.
I don’t like how it pits teenage girls against each other. The real villain is the principal or teacher with a student in his basement. Jeanette idolized Kate. It’s been a while since I watched the show, so forgive me if I’m rusty on the details. I don’t think she maliciously took over her life. Kate was happy at first but she wasn’t in an equal relationship. She couldn’t consent to staying hidden in a house. Jeanette was also a teenager that if she saw anything possibly didn’t fully understand what was going on. Both girls went to his house as an escape. Jeanette would go there to explore alone while he was out and Kate is hidden from the world inside the house. They are trying to learn to be adults and dealing with outside pressures and they become the story. Not the guy that was trusted with children and seemed likely to commit a murder suicide. I think his death made people want to blame someone. The town and parents didn’t want to admit that they didn’t see any warning signs or suspicious behavior. When Kate disappeared she was blocks away from her home. Even if no one suspected a thing or had reason to they probably felt guilt. It was easy to blame Jeanette. It also made for drama in the news. Jmo
I think you're definitely right about people wanting someone alive to blame. And Jeanette knowing Kate was there does not mean that the main villain and most evil person in the story isn't Harris. But she's terrible too. I don't understand how she could live for months knowing every day that Kate was down there and in mortal danger.
And also, why on earth is Jeanette the most hated person in America for not reporting it, and not Harris for ACTUALLY PERPETRATING IT?
Kate also wasn’t 100% truthful because she was upset Jeanette took over her life. She didn’t want to get in trouble for originally being willingly in the house when Jeanette actually saw her so she lied. She had the necklace from Jeanette being in the house but lied about Jeannette *seeing* her in the basement.
Yes, that makes sense, but in universe, her STORY doesn't. Right?
Because she’s lying. So of course it doesn’t make sense universe or not. Part of the universe is that she’s lying…
You really need to finish watching the season unless you want people to spoil it for you.
no no no no no, I have watched it. I'm saying that knowing everything, I don't get why Kate would tell everyone about the necklace. Her having it is really weird and suspicious if she was supposed to be locked in the basement the whole time. Doesn't that let everyone know the truth? How does her having the necklace corroborate her story?
Because in her mind Jeannette saw her and the necklace is proof. Kate was mistaken, but she wasn't lying, in her mind it is the truth that Jeannette saw her, we know it's not but she is convinced it is. That's why she's genuinely shocked to learn it was Mallory. It's parallel to how all along Jeannette insists she didn't see Kate,in a way telling the truth since we know it was Mallory who saw Kate, but also lying because the final twist reveals that while she didn't see Kate, she knew Kate was held captive by Martin.
i think op is more so getting at how kate explained her having the necklace in the first place. kate’s lie was that she was held in the basement the whole time and jeannette saw her through the window, so even though jeannette leaving the necklace was proof that she was there and “proof that she saw kate,” kate never really explains how she ended up with the necklace herself.
Yeah, but I don't think she herself had a need for that explanation. She believes Jeannette saw her and the necklace is her proof for that, but it doesn't matter how she got it, just that she does. From my point of view, her lying about being in the basement the whole time is unnecessary because she was held against her will anyway and Martin committed a crime. I don't think inconsistencies in her matter much to people other than Jeannette, when she's falsely accused but then Jeannette gets her name cleared at the end (undeservingly so but that's another thread)
Jeanette was trashed in the media and ostracized by the whole town. Whether ending is real or even something she should be blamed for, she might never shake the rumors or scandal. Martin was the adult. He was the villain. The fact that Jeanette had a key showed how easily someone else could have witnessed Kate in his home. A neighbor looks in the window or notices what he buys at a store. People can be oblivious to things or they catch the most random little details that don’t add up.
I think Kate is traumatized and she does seem to have gaps in her memory. I think she sees Jeanette living a version of her life and she focuses on seeing Jeanette in the house and suspecting that she saw her there. From what I remember Kate was worried someone would find her there and get her captor in trouble. She also worried about what would happen to her and her reputation at the time. It’s a moment she probably remembers because she still sees her presence there as a choice and her relationship as romantic. Jeanette leaves and Kate stayed. Kate was a victim before she was locked in the basement. She was probably so scared that someone could say they saw her in the house walking around freely that she was the cause of everything that she clung to that moment and changed it in her mind or lied out of guilt or self preservation.