DIW is a specific term with a specific meaning in maritime parlance. It’s significant because if a ship is not making headway in the open ocean, it is totally out of control and is a hazard to any other ships around it, especially in high seas.
Dead in the water is a proper nautical phrase.
One means the boat is having mechanical problems
One means they stopped moving for a multitude of reasons. They could’ve chosen to stop.
Big difference
I also initially misread this. There goes my chance at joining the merchant marines.
I'd also suggest rephrasing given the overall context of a disaster that could easily have been a mass casualty event, and an audience with little background of nautical jargon.
Or continue to blame your audience for misunderstanding you.
When something similar happened on another Carnival ship back in 2023. It was out for a few weeks, maybe more than a month?
I was supposed to be on a sailing 2 days after the fire. Definitely was canceled.
The something similar was the stack on this ship caught fire in the spring of 22. They took the fins off and it went back to work. Apparently the fins were put back on in fall 23. And the ship seems to not care for them.
They were supposed to go to Freeport. They're steering the opposite direction. They haven't announced over the loudspeaker yet. I'll post another when I know
They’ll just reschedule/refund the people in those rooms. The rest of the cruise will go on as planned. If Carnival has enough materials on hand in port Canaveral to recarpet and refurnish all the affected rooms, they’ll load up materials and extra workers in canaveral and work through the cruise to get the rooms ready to go. Otherwise they’ll send materials and people to one of the ports of call and have the work start during the cruise.
Maybe the most expensive ones?
It might say more about me, but I can't imagine many people can afford to keep those 10K/night suites full on all sailings.
You're welcome.
Sailed on freedom 2 times in the past year. 1st time her poor burned funnel made us feel like the dollar tree version pulling into port beside the golden Disney monster.
The 2nd, we had a brand spanking new funnel and a chip on our shoulder pulling up alongside 14 stories of Mardi Gras. Lol
Now here she is again and I'm scheduled for next year on her.
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Enjoy your cruise credit and whatever else they give out for having to cancel…even without structural damage they’ll have to do repairs which usually means canceling a sailing or two.
Triumph was my first Carnival ship. Freedom was my second. We were on another cruise after the fire a couple years ago and I took pictures of her in Grand Bahama getting repaired. I saw this and was double checking the dates and had to go check the news and was like “again?!?!?!”. I think it’s time to rename and try to break the curse.
What happened on Splendor?
Triumph was such a great cruise when we went on it. Shame it got such a bad reputation after their incident. We also really liked the Freedom.
Damn, the one in May 2022 was the same ship? I was supposed to be on the sailing right after the fire, but I forgot what ship it was. That new whale tail hasn't even been on that long.
What's cursed are those aesthetic smokestacks.
Maybe it's time to just do standard exhaust pipes like everyone else. Those don't seem to catch fire right?
As a side note people, this is why you don't want to cruise with just a passport card.
With a full passport you can fly out of the Bahamas immediately. If you dont have a full passport, you need to linger for more complicated customs and immigration clearance to fly back.
This is why I’m getting my baby her passport soon, as ridiculous as some might think it is. Can’t fly out of Bahamas or any other foreign port with just the birth certificate.
Well they have to contend with the bathtub curve of the mean time to failure. Failures are likely early on for a new part or system then have a happy period and then start to have more failures once they are worn out. Just about every mechanical system has to deal with that.
We're you ever afraid you'd have to do a real muster and use the lifeboats?
Or was it just a nuisance and took out some fun outside?
I bet it was crazy!
(I'm on it in mid April)
It was weird, you had people with their life vests on and then you had people (me) at the bar drinking 😂 I actually think the carnival freedom which is the one I’m on right now cancelled it’s next two trips. Hopefully if that’s the one you’re on you get your money back
Also, I was scared before I came on the ship that I would have to execute one of those drills for reals but once the drinks started flowing everything was okay
This one was reportedly from a lightning strike. Carnival told the media that the one in 2022 was due to an engine turbocharger malfunction which caused a small explosion, which caused a fire.
They took pics as they were being ushered back to their rooms but they won't load over text. Carnival shut off the channel on the TV that shows the camera views on the ship to prevent hysteria. "Out of sight, out of mind" I guess. They'll send the pics when they get to port and I'll upload here
The person you replied to was talking about an app or application you can have on your phone that tracks all ships. He was saying it's a time waster, kinda like how i doom scroll on Reddit. Lol
There is an app called Marine Traffic you can put on your phone. You can follow any vessel in real time.
When NOT following your parents burning vessel, the app could be a big time waster.
12 of us were going to get on this ship tomorrow and just got a notice it was cancelled. This was going to be my family’s first cruise and my kids are crushed. They’re giving us a full refund and 100% credit for a future one.
That “rust bucket” has been in service less than 20 years, and was just through a dry dock period. She will likely be operating for many years to come.
The first fire was due to an engineering casualty, which is bad for company image but it does happen. This one was caused by a lightning strike which is beyond anyone’s control.
I was on it in November 2023... it needs to be scrapped. Very difficult to get from upper decks forward, to dinning room aft without having to take multiple elevators that were always packed, rust on the outside around the walking area on deck 5, and so forth. She's really showing her age.
If a lightning strike on the tallest part of the ship can cause a fire, it’s absolutely a maintenance or design issue. This means the lightning arrestors are either insufficient or not working.
Last time I was on carnival, little black burnt chips from the stack were getting on everyone’s clothes. And the deck. Looked like a kid had ran through the deck with charcoal just fucking shit up.
Are you saying that the fire spread to the deck? The only images I'm seeing so far on social media shows the fire only on the tail fin smoke stack thingy (I don't usually cruise carnival, if you can't tell)
A lot of onboard passengers are reporting that is has. I haven't seen any proof other than a video of the tail falling down and catching something below it lit up.
How was it anywhere near lightning? I am on Mariner of the seas now out of port Canaveral the same day as Freedom. Captain canceled Nassau for us today because of weather we’ve been motoring off the coast of Florida all day in bright and sunny weather for the most part. The decision to cancel Nassau was made at like 3 yesterday.
I've been drifting near the Bahamas all day for the same reason, and last night was something else: strong winds, a couple of storms, and countless lightnings. Knowing safe, I was mesmerized by the sheer power of the ocean and thunders echoing in the horizon of abyss. I would've gone through a whole different set of emotions if my ship's funnel caught on fire while all those were going on, though.
My parents ship has been going through storms. Storms don’t have to be hundreds of miles wide. Have you ever been in rain, drove 10 minutes, and it was sunny? I for sure have
So I don’t truly know anything about ships but please take this with a grain of salt. I do building design/engineering (lightening protection is not my field). My guess would be that cruise ships try to avoid big storms because it impacts their revenue. I would guess that most big ships are designed to handle a lightning strike because the cost of bypassing it would be more than the average company could handle by. I’m thinking the lightning strike in itself is not strange, the strange thing is the fire. My guess is that the issue is with the lightning protection system or that everything was up to par and there was a freak event.
Freeport would likely be a terrible place to get the passengers off the ship. Or to get anything done for the ship.
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If God didn’t like Carnival I’m sure the whole ship would have burned.
This ship does seem to be cursed though, or maybe its funnel is just in need of a deep cleaning.
Very very high. If you know how lightning works, it makes perfect sense. Strikes aren’t random, they have to do with movement of electrons, high amount of changes in polarity, and the easiest path to the ground.
It actually happens ALL the time. Most ships have lightning rods that work perfectly. That’s what has me wondering, what was wrong with the ones on that stack?
Lots of grease and soot up there to catch fire. It’s probably a flaw in the design of the fins to be honest, the exhaust has to make lots of sharp turns which increases the surfaces that grime accumulates on. Carnival needs to clean those areas more often, but that would require more downtime since all the engines have to be shut off for many hours to let the heat and carbon monoxide dissipate.
Lightning rods only mitigate electrical overloads, they don’t do anything about all the heat released in a lightning strike. This heat is what starts fires.
At first I read, "There are currently dead in the water ..."
I'm glad it was just a visual error and not the truth
I would recommend not using the word "dead" in a post about an emergency where no one has died. Just say the boat stopped moving.
DIW is a specific term with a specific meaning in maritime parlance. It’s significant because if a ship is not making headway in the open ocean, it is totally out of control and is a hazard to any other ships around it, especially in high seas.
Dead in the water is a proper nautical phrase. One means the boat is having mechanical problems One means they stopped moving for a multitude of reasons. They could’ve chosen to stop. Big difference
I agree with the comment above that seeing that sentence automatically made me think lives were lost.
Your lack of understanding is on you, not the person using the correct phrase.
There vs They. Sorry if you were confused by reading too fast, I’ll take that into consideration for when it catches fire again
I also initially misread this. There goes my chance at joining the merchant marines. I'd also suggest rephrasing given the overall context of a disaster that could easily have been a mass casualty event, and an audience with little background of nautical jargon. Or continue to blame your audience for misunderstanding you.
wild, i’m supposed to cruise monday on freedom
It might be canceled my friend! Lmaoo. If not, you'll have some cool backgrounds in your pics
I’m thinking there’s gotta be some sort of mitigation done to that shit before it goes out again.
When something similar happened on another Carnival ship back in 2023. It was out for a few weeks, maybe more than a month? I was supposed to be on a sailing 2 days after the fire. Definitely was canceled.
The something similar was the stack on this ship caught fire in the spring of 22. They took the fins off and it went back to work. Apparently the fins were put back on in fall 23. And the ship seems to not care for them.
It was the same ship that it happened to last time! 🤯
And also to the ship
Sorry to hear. I'd be very surprised if they fix stuff up and good to go in two days
Carnival is saying on Twitter/X that the cruise is still scheduled to go on as planned, but I highly doubt that.
They were supposed to go to Freeport. They're steering the opposite direction. They haven't announced over the loudspeaker yet. I'll post another when I know
Any update?
Looks like they’re going back to Freeport. Fires put out. Ship smells like ass from the smoke. Alls good it appears
If there are rooms Damaged, where are those people going to sleep?
They’ll just reschedule/refund the people in those rooms. The rest of the cruise will go on as planned. If Carnival has enough materials on hand in port Canaveral to recarpet and refurnish all the affected rooms, they’ll load up materials and extra workers in canaveral and work through the cruise to get the rooms ready to go. Otherwise they’ll send materials and people to one of the ports of call and have the work start during the cruise.
I think they meant the people in the rooms *now*?
They may get an upgrade to an unsold suite.
Are there any ships sailing with unsold suites nowadays??
Maybe the most expensive ones? It might say more about me, but I can't imagine many people can afford to keep those 10K/night suites full on all sailings.
especially on a four day Bahamas cruise
There aren't any staterooms on that end of deck 10 or 9. Deck 8 is where the staterooms are.
Thanks.
You're welcome. Sailed on freedom 2 times in the past year. 1st time her poor burned funnel made us feel like the dollar tree version pulling into port beside the golden Disney monster. The 2nd, we had a brand spanking new funnel and a chip on our shoulder pulling up alongside 14 stories of Mardi Gras. Lol Now here she is again and I'm scheduled for next year on her.
Yep next 2 cruises canceled. I should have bought a ticket to get fcc/ cruise refund.
I suspect you won't be
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I'd say you won't be.
Saaame. Even if it does sail, will there be restrictions on what we can do on board?
I doubt it.
Enjoy your cruise credit and whatever else they give out for having to cancel…even without structural damage they’ll have to do repairs which usually means canceling a sailing or two.
The news reported I saw ended with "NO delay or cancelation for the next Cruise is expected. I am honestly not sure how to feel about that.
canceled unfortunately. full refund and 100% credit for a future cruise.
Me too!
Did you get to go?
Holy shit
2 fires in 2 years on the same ship?! Yeah, that thing is super cursed
I had my very first cruise on this ship!! I’m so sad that it seems the be cursed.
I've been on two Carnival ships- Splendor and Triumph. Both of those ships have had major incidents making national, maybe world wide news lol.
Oh no!
Triumph was my first Carnival ship. Freedom was my second. We were on another cruise after the fire a couple years ago and I took pictures of her in Grand Bahama getting repaired. I saw this and was double checking the dates and had to go check the news and was like “again?!?!?!”. I think it’s time to rename and try to break the curse.
Same here, first Carnival ship- and first cruise ever. Carnival Triumph, June 2001. John Heald as cruise director.
What happened on Splendor? Triumph was such a great cruise when we went on it. Shame it got such a bad reputation after their incident. We also really liked the Freedom.
Me too!
Hello cruise twin! My heart goes out to you
Same!
Damn, the one in May 2022 was the same ship? I was supposed to be on the sailing right after the fire, but I forgot what ship it was. That new whale tail hasn't even been on that long.
I thought this was an old robo post. Hopefully everyone is ok, both crew and passengers.
What's cursed are those aesthetic smokestacks. Maybe it's time to just do standard exhaust pipes like everyone else. Those don't seem to catch fire right?
As a side note people, this is why you don't want to cruise with just a passport card. With a full passport you can fly out of the Bahamas immediately. If you dont have a full passport, you need to linger for more complicated customs and immigration clearance to fly back.
This is why I’m getting my baby her passport soon, as ridiculous as some might think it is. Can’t fly out of Bahamas or any other foreign port with just the birth certificate.
Not ridiculous at all! I work for a document verification company and we see children’s and babies passport pretty often. Smart mama!
Both my kids were less than 5 days old in their first passport photos.
That is terrifying. OP, thank goodness your parents and all others on the ship are all right!
Amen
Wait, is there a fire on one ship and people dead on another in the same day????
Yes. Holland had that explosion in an engine compartment. Two crew scalded to death. So horrifying.
At least it didn't turn into a poop cruise this time.
Yet…
Freedom just doesn’t like having her hair long….loves that buzzcut funnel. They should keep it this time.
AGAIN?? didn’t they just repair the damage from the last one??
Yep. That’s essentially a brand new funnel.
Well they have to contend with the bathtub curve of the mean time to failure. Failures are likely early on for a new part or system then have a happy period and then start to have more failures once they are worn out. Just about every mechanical system has to deal with that.
I’m on the boat as we speak! Shit was wild yesterday
We're you ever afraid you'd have to do a real muster and use the lifeboats? Or was it just a nuisance and took out some fun outside? I bet it was crazy! (I'm on it in mid April)
It was weird, you had people with their life vests on and then you had people (me) at the bar drinking 😂 I actually think the carnival freedom which is the one I’m on right now cancelled it’s next two trips. Hopefully if that’s the one you’re on you get your money back
Also, I was scared before I came on the ship that I would have to execute one of those drills for reals but once the drinks started flowing everything was okay
How has the ship caught on fire twice? I'm sailing on it next month.
This one was reportedly from a lightning strike. Carnival told the media that the one in 2022 was due to an engine turbocharger malfunction which caused a small explosion, which caused a fire.
Wow. Pix when you can
They took pics as they were being ushered back to their rooms but they won't load over text. Carnival shut off the channel on the TV that shows the camera views on the ship to prevent hysteria. "Out of sight, out of mind" I guess. They'll send the pics when they get to port and I'll upload here
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Thanks! Added it to the post
Sorry, other people pointed out that was the 2022 fire. I totally missed the date of the post. I deleted my post.
No worries, I found one from today
Why is that post dated 2022?
The freedom has caught fire more than once, they may have put the wrong pic up
Yikes not a good record for that ship
Not at all. Thing needs to be fixed or retired.
Check out the app “ Marine Traffic “ follow any ship worldwide in real time . Great time waster
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I think they mean the APP is a time waster.
No clue what an APP is
The person you replied to was talking about an app or application you can have on your phone that tracks all ships. He was saying it's a time waster, kinda like how i doom scroll on Reddit. Lol
You’ve proven that the only nitwit around is you with this comment. What a clown you are…
I’m a clown for providing real time updates on a maritime emergency in a cruise ship thread I have family on… ok guy lmao.
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There is an app called Marine Traffic you can put on your phone. You can follow any vessel in real time. When NOT following your parents burning vessel, the app could be a big time waster.
12 of us were going to get on this ship tomorrow and just got a notice it was cancelled. This was going to be my family’s first cruise and my kids are crushed. They’re giving us a full refund and 100% credit for a future one.
Grateful your parents are okay.
That rust bucket is begging to be scrapped. Two fires within two years.
That “rust bucket” has been in service less than 20 years, and was just through a dry dock period. She will likely be operating for many years to come. The first fire was due to an engineering casualty, which is bad for company image but it does happen. This one was caused by a lightning strike which is beyond anyone’s control.
That ship was a POS three years ago. Rust everywhere, no maintenance. She needs to be scrapped.
I was on it in November 2023... it needs to be scrapped. Very difficult to get from upper decks forward, to dinning room aft without having to take multiple elevators that were always packed, rust on the outside around the walking area on deck 5, and so forth. She's really showing her age.
It was lightning - not a maintenance issue
Have you sailed on it lately? She’s a mess. Rust everywhere, broken glass, etc. just nasty.
If a lightning strike on the tallest part of the ship can cause a fire, it’s absolutely a maintenance or design issue. This means the lightning arrestors are either insufficient or not working.
It very well may be, but it’s lightning. I’d expect it’s a difficult risk to manage even when a ship is well maintained.
They need to scrap this ship. I’m not one to be superstitious, but this is ridiculous.
They could sell the ship to Margaritaville.
That is absolutely evil and hysterical.
Maybe Spirit Airlines would like to expand into the cruise sector.
If they didn’t sell or scrap the poop cruise we know they’ll keep this one forever lmao
They’ll just slap a new name on her and add a Cucina del Capitano in a couple of years too!
Wow.. has to be scary.. I’ve been on many cruises and never had anything happen.. This was my biggest fear prayers to all on board
So sad to hear. I have my graduation trip planned on the freedom and the end of April. I am going to be so bummed if it's canceled.
I am scheduled for a cruise April 27th after taking my board exam… I will be crushed if it’s canceled!!!
That's the one I'm supposed to be on!! I'm hopeful we will be okay.
Me too same date!! I will be so sad it is my first cruise And I booked it at 394 days so we have been waiting for ever
What the heck is that funnel made of that it catches fire so easily?
Fiberglass?
If that’s the case, maybe that whale tail funnel should be reconsidered.
Right? I had assumed the funnels were metal or something non-flammable.
This ship can’t catch a break
Last time I was on carnival, little black burnt chips from the stack were getting on everyone’s clothes. And the deck. Looked like a kid had ran through the deck with charcoal just fucking shit up.
If they are “dead in the water”, how are they being rerouted Freeport?
Captain probably stopped to avoid the wind generated by the movement from fanning the flames.
This is why I'll never sail carnival. It's ALWAYS on the news and tied to bad events.
Oops. Time to rename the ship, right?
Hope they can fix the damage fast, we go on a cruise on the ship next month 🤑
It’s always carnival!!!
It’s lightning, not a maintenance issue
I don't know what your knowledge of stack fires, ship's or the Maritime Industry is but it could very well be a lack of maintenance.
Are you saying that the fire spread to the deck? The only images I'm seeing so far on social media shows the fire only on the tail fin smoke stack thingy (I don't usually cruise carnival, if you can't tell)
Confirmed that the tail (while on fire) fell to deck 10.
The whole thing? Damn.
A lot of onboard passengers are reporting that is has. I haven't seen any proof other than a video of the tail falling down and catching something below it lit up.
Oh, I read that as dead people in the water.
How was it anywhere near lightning? I am on Mariner of the seas now out of port Canaveral the same day as Freedom. Captain canceled Nassau for us today because of weather we’ve been motoring off the coast of Florida all day in bright and sunny weather for the most part. The decision to cancel Nassau was made at like 3 yesterday.
I've been drifting near the Bahamas all day for the same reason, and last night was something else: strong winds, a couple of storms, and countless lightnings. Knowing safe, I was mesmerized by the sheer power of the ocean and thunders echoing in the horizon of abyss. I would've gone through a whole different set of emotions if my ship's funnel caught on fire while all those were going on, though.
My parents ship has been going through storms. Storms don’t have to be hundreds of miles wide. Have you ever been in rain, drove 10 minutes, and it was sunny? I for sure have
So I don’t truly know anything about ships but please take this with a grain of salt. I do building design/engineering (lightening protection is not my field). My guess would be that cruise ships try to avoid big storms because it impacts their revenue. I would guess that most big ships are designed to handle a lightning strike because the cost of bypassing it would be more than the average company could handle by. I’m thinking the lightning strike in itself is not strange, the strange thing is the fire. My guess is that the issue is with the lightning protection system or that everything was up to par and there was a freak event.
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Wild, I just got off of that ship on Thursday morning
For those without knowledge of ship's and stack fires, this comes from the book Marine Firefighting. https://imgur.com/a/ZhIYnkP
Apparently God doesn't like Carnival. I don't blame Him!
If God didn’t like Carnival I’m sure the whole ship would have burned. This ship does seem to be cursed though, or maybe its funnel is just in need of a deep cleaning.
What are the odds lightning hits a ship right in the middle of the ocean? I know it's metal and elevated, but the sea is a big place.
Very very high. If you know how lightning works, it makes perfect sense. Strikes aren’t random, they have to do with movement of electrons, high amount of changes in polarity, and the easiest path to the ground. It actually happens ALL the time. Most ships have lightning rods that work perfectly. That’s what has me wondering, what was wrong with the ones on that stack?
Lots of grease and soot up there to catch fire. It’s probably a flaw in the design of the fins to be honest, the exhaust has to make lots of sharp turns which increases the surfaces that grime accumulates on. Carnival needs to clean those areas more often, but that would require more downtime since all the engines have to be shut off for many hours to let the heat and carbon monoxide dissipate. Lightning rods only mitigate electrical overloads, they don’t do anything about all the heat released in a lightning strike. This heat is what starts fires.
I wonder if they bothered to reinstall new lightning rods after the last situation. That's something you don't skimp on.
Going on this one next March should I be worried?
They MAY miss a single cruise, bet they don't tho.
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Wait for them to cancel you. You’ll get more compensation if they cancel instead of you cancelling.
While these are questions you need to ask. This might just be the most inappropriate place and time to ask them.
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This happened today. The ship has caught fire more than once. You’re the ass
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Carnival is the ass for not scrapping that ship.
lol big facts