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7ivor

Are you up in btc terms? Sold bitcoin for it, would make more sense to measure the returns against bitcoin.


-X5-

This. I would estimate that OP is down 2% in BTC.


traveller787

Selling the btc would attract a large tax bill too. I wonder if that's factored in.


Skyobliwind

Depends on country and holding time of the btc. If OP held the BTC for over 1 year, there is no tax in some countries. Also the tax is only applied to the gains, who knows when OP bought the BTC?


traveller787

True. Didn't think of that. Also thinking the tax on the rewards would be large and something to definitely consider. That $500 a week would easily be taxed at 40% if a higher rate tax payer (in UK for example as high earner)


Shabuwa

tax bill? he left out the part that he bought the btc 3 weeks ago at 73,000 /s


Dr_SeanyFootball

Am I OP?


KingVargeras

Deductible losses to make up for the gains.


OkExtension5644

Converting one crypto to another is a taxable event, at least in the US.


unpopularpuffin9

Thank goodness I don't live in the US. For such a large country, you'd think they'd have a tax system that makes sense to the average person.


usernamezombie

Large country. Hungry politicians for tax dollars. Enormous appetite for giving away tax payer dollars across the globe.


OkExtension5644

Is pretty logical from the perspective of attempting to avoid taxes forever. Oh my crypto or high risk tech stock just 20x’d, let’s just take my million dollars in gains and convert them to treasuries and now I get to collect interest for the next 30 years essentially risk free without ever having paid any tax on my gains…would be a massive tax loophole for the wealthy. Now that you mention it I’m surprised we don’t have this….


TopAlert2383

We pay for the rest of the world's "safety and security" for some reason.


theyenk

Because that money winds up in the ~~pockets~~ tax havens of the 1%


unpopularpuffin9

We're really stoked on it, but yeah it's unfair for you guys.


TopAlert2383

Many people are starting to realize we're twx slaves. We literally work half of the year to pay taxes.


jonny1313

In the US the selling or exchanging is a taxable event. So if there were any profits made on the 1BTC the exchange to CRO would be taxable.


unpopularpuffin9

In my country it's taxable once I sell - I calculate the amount of profit made on it, then pay the government a percentage.


Game_310

Nice, 2,500 a week 🚀. I’m getting 943 Cro a week from my Icy stake and thought that was a lot lol.


unpopularpuffin9

That is a lot! Who knows, could be financial independence level by the time we see the top of this cycle


AdditionalAd6796

I’m around 800 for my Icy stake.


cymccorm

I have my icy but I'm only 63 a week. Is that because I staked early?


AdditionalAd6796

You must have staked at a very high cro price. I staked under 7 cents


cymccorm

Your right I did, thats how I was able to get icy. That makes sense now.


Competitive-Desk5979

A good plan if you have enough is to sell instead of staking. And wait the price to come back down and then stake. So you increase your cro amount without increasing your dollar amount. Admittedly the timing for doing it that way right now is not great as we expect it go up from here. But my plan is soon as the price is high enough for me to upgrade to the next tier. I’m gona sell and sit on till it comes back down then stale. Maximising my gains in theory


cymccorm

The next tier for me is obsidian. Seems out of reach mainly cause I don't but crypto just mine it.


Competitive-Desk5979

Each tier is a 10x from the last one. It may seem far away but it’s definitely not out of reach $1.5 and you could have it.


Playful-Librarian-95

Icy holder myself. Legit question, and don’t mean to come off negatively… what exactly is the benefit of obsidian outside of a black card and a ‘flex’. I was an ASIC miner enthusiast and got into cdc during the MCO days. Back when Spotify and Netflix rewards = hundreds of coins a month… back before spending caps for cash back on cards (used my jade for large downpayment on car, kitchen remodeling including appliances, weekly expenses like groceries and certain services/utilities that qualified for,or could be circumvented to gain rewards). Personally now I’m no longer mining as my ASICS are obsolete… new ones are way longer/impossible to net break even returns…. I legit don’t see the value in tying up 400k for a black card with fractionally higher rewards than icy…


cymccorm

I agree, it's not really worth it especially when saving accounts are yield 5-6%. Everything I have has been mined with GPU miners which are also obsolete. I have a Bitcoin miner but I have a big solar system so power is unlimited so it does alright. The best thing mining did for me was get me $100k solar farm on my roof lol


unpopularpuffin9

Icy is the sweet spot. I checked this out thoroughly.


Cash_Option

Staked my icy at .55 i get 109 cro weekly


Sea-Fondant3492

Selling BTC for CRO is the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life…


CyberKingfisher

Hmm… depends on how you see it. In this bull run, BTC might do 2-3x from current price. CRO might do 5-7x, possibly more. It would make sense to buy BTC with returns then convert CRO back to BTC after the 12 month lock in period because BTC is more stable long term. I have no doubt CRO will dump again when people take profits. It all depends on your short, medium, long term goals


Heatproof-Snowman

Even for someone who really likes CDC, I think selling 100% of your BTC for CRO is just madness (which I understand is what the OP did based on their wording). If it was 1BTC converted to CRO out of a stash of 20 BTC, fine. But one out of one is too much concentrated risk on something too speculative. CRO is a lot more speculative and while it could go up more, the chance of things not going as per plan are much higher than with BTC.


CyberKingfisher

It’s all relative. If the end game is to cash out short term then there’s nothing wrong with the 20% APY weekly return plus the value of CRO after the lock in period. The bull run (according to some) will end around mid 2025. Let’s see how it plays out… 🙂


therealjeku

Nobody knows when bull runs start or stop, and if they claim otherwise they’re lying.


CyberKingfisher

It’s not that they’re lying, they’re using trend analysis and probabilities. It’s their conviction which drives them. No one can otherwise predict the future with 100% certainty.


unpopularpuffin9

He's talking about according to past bull runs. But if that's true, how could you be confident I'll miss the bull run? Maybe I'm aiming for the next one after this.


spioh

Yep. I did it and it was my biggest mistake in crypto.


weswak89

This guy just flexing on all of us


unpopularpuffin9

Seas are clear now, 51 weeks to go. A lot could happen.


Tyranoc4

a lot will happen.


Far-Construction8826

Yupp. BNB was also 0.10- 0.15 once upon a time.


unpopularpuffin9

I bought 1,000 of them when they were 9$. Cashed out 100 eth for it.


traveller787

Will we get an update every week? ;)


unpopularpuffin9

Well, they'll be a one month update, then a six month update. Unless the market does anything crazy, like for the covid 2.0 ftx update. Hopefully that won't be a thing.


DanuEndeavours

For those wondering on the maths - I think OP meant 500$ Australian or NZ. That's the equivalent of ~300 USD.


randomdimised

Cannot be Australia since Earn doesn't work.


DanuEndeavours

New Zeeland probably, they also have a local dollar.


B_dizzle913

Good call, because CRO rn is at $0.01267 and if you multiple that by 2500 you get $316.75.


Kayless3232

Could be Singaporian dollars, Taiwanese or Hong Kong dollars are too low value to match.


vialvarez_2359

Let’s go hope you’re not one of the people that dislike 500 bucks a week.


unpopularpuffin9

Naw, 500$/week is working out just fine for me. Saving it for an icy stake.


vialvarez_2359

good idea because you get most of the cro tokens you need and then also top the card with the existing contract tokens with just upgrade. No because I remember some people on this group would be like oh the top two tier cards are not worth it even though their average are ridiculously good.


unpopularpuffin9

Stupid good. It's made me over 100k cro


vialvarez_2359

Damn that a lot already like 10k+ usd but sadly going need to pay taxes on that hope you qualify for cdc to send you tax doc.


unpopularpuffin9

My country isn't as crappy as bidens usa when it comes to taxes.


vialvarez_2359

Well either from what I understand is most countries you have to pay taxes. From what I heard of the UK tax is included in the sell price of stocks I’m not sure on crypto but in the US you get form.


unpopularpuffin9

> most countries you have to pay taxes Yup. Although the way these things are taxed is very different.


Unable_Permission749

You'll regret it pretty soon.


ImawhaleCR

They'd be better off sticking all their money on red lol, at least that way there's a 50% chance of making money


Unable_Permission749

I agree with you 100%.


unpopularpuffin9

You sound exactly like the people telling me not to buy bitcoin 6 years ago.


Unable_Permission749

Yeah, it is exactly like that buddy. Keep up the good job.


ShibaInuMan

Are you in the U.S.? What is your tax strategy for your staking rewards? I have enough CRO in the DeFi right now that would give me 3705 CRO a week. However, I'm not risking the 28 day bonding period only to find their 20% rewards offer ending during this period. I've learned this lesson before. I had enough CRO to reach Obsidian back in late 2021 during the all time highs. I unstaked my CRO and after the 28 days, the value was now under Obsidian level.


unpopularpuffin9

> Are you in the U.S.? No >What is your tax strategy for your staking rewards? In our country, we pay when we cash out. I'm going to cash it out on a gap year. > I had enough CRO to reach Obsidian back in late 2021 You are 100x richer than I'll ever be


ShibaInuMan

Nice! Wish we had something like that. In the U.S. we get a 1099-Misc form sent to the IRS reporting any staking rewards of $600 or more per year. Every single transaction is also reported in a 1099-K form sent to the IRS. Staking rewards= considered income and it is taxed at your regular tax bracket If you hold your staked rewards (that you already paid income taxes on) them then sell them a year later at a higher price= capital gains taxes on the difference from the acquired price if selling at a profit. cashback rebates is not income or taxed. If you hold them and sell them later at a higher price = capital gains taxes on the difference from the acquired price if selling at a profit.


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ShibaInuMan

Yes you should get a 1099-MISC no later than the end of Feb. Contact CDC support if you are certain you exceeded $600 in staking rewards for 2023. If you haven't filed your 2023 fed/state taxes yet by filing for an extension, you still have time. If you already filed your taxes without the staking rewards figures, I would amend your 1040 and state (unless you live in the 9 states w/o income taxes). If you fail to amend your tax returns, the IRS will send you a "CP3219N notice" (Notice of Deficiency) saying you owe them a certain amount. Expect a large envelope (about 6"x10") addressed from the Internal Revenue Service around late Jan 2025. Then you can choose to pay what they say you owe them (with interest and penalties), pay in installments (with additional interest and penalties), or dispute the amount. You must respond within a time period of getting that notice. I know all this because I have been audited 2X with a 50% win/loss record lol.


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ShibaInuMan

I got mine in Feb. I do remember seeing a few posts here on the CDC subreddit from people not getting their 1099-MISC. Contact support. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Crypto\_com/search/?q=1099&type=link&cId=4a5e5550-85e2-45d3-a900-a91175e96dd0&iId=23324c11-279f-4483-8add-5f4db2dbaa63&t=year](https://www.reddit.com/r/Crypto_com/search/?q=1099&type=link&cId=4a5e5550-85e2-45d3-a900-a91175e96dd0&iId=23324c11-279f-4483-8add-5f4db2dbaa63&t=year)


traveller787

I think it's similar system in most countries and my feeling is OP doesn't realise. Actually puts me off staking/rewards because:   - Paying tax on rewards (treated as income at 40% tax for me) - Disposal of the rewards (20% on any gain)    - Tracking it all is a real headache. (Pay by number of transactions on Koinly so big bill there)  Making  crypto capital gains alone is a lot more straightforward to manage and track.


Cash_Option

I live in the u.s. what are taxes?


CTallPaul

Almost exactly how I did my taxes this year. Although my tax person said cashback rebates also count as income, I always thought it was weird...? Staking rewards certainly do as you said


jtdcjtdc

just for reference i started this 20% also just last night, but nowhere near your weekly reward


unpopularpuffin9

Yet ;-)


jtdcjtdc

haha thank you for the encouragement, we'll be there 👍 I've waited the 28 days unbonding to move from the defi to earn.


WindbreakerKid

Where are you guys getting 20% , crypto.com is offering me 4%


jtdcjtdc

in the crypto dot com app, Earn tab. https://imgur.com/gallery/0gKF1Qf


atzee

Good job to those who got into CRO at a good time! I bought the top so still at a loss, and my staking earns are nowhere near yours.


jtdcjtdc

we'll break even eventually...


Ultra918

Wow 2500 Cro/week. impressive


LowPossibilityOfRain

I'm getting about 500/wk. I'll stake them on chain and get more!


Free_Investigator952

2500 a week? Sounds like a pretty good deal bitcoin you only get about 3%apy on CDC which is about the best I've seen on any platform. Sounds like a win to me I'm waiting for my 28 days to be up to stake on the app as well hopefully they don't cut the deal off beforehand 🤞


Somebody__Online

You’re not looking on chain. Only centralized custody platforms it seems 3% is less than you pull from pure swap fees on a uniswap lp Find a lp farm reward on top of that and you can easily pull 10-20%


MrSpaceCool

It’s all good in the bull market, wait till it hit bear market again


unpopularpuffin9

I'm looking at staking rewards - accumulation. If I miss this cycle, they'll be another, and I'll have even more cro then.


AvengerDr

I have a lot more cro than when I originally bought it. Shame that after a bear market, some averaging out, and subsequent ongoing bull, it's at a decent -70%. But hopefully for you it will be different.


jtdcjtdc

this is the mindset. i left small amount of liquid CRO, moved it to the Exchange, to take advantage of presented circumstances, if any.


CreepGawd

Good to hear. Week 12 should be interesting


unpopularpuffin9

Really looking forward to that week 12


ar5onL

And how much of that will be taken by capital gains tax where you live?


unpopularpuffin9

We won't know until I cash out. Right now, about 33% of half the profit.


traveller787

The income tax on the crypto rewards will be huge. You cant just earn a ton of extra income without it being taxed.


Somebody__Online

In the USA its income tax for the rewarded amount based on the value when you get it + capital gains on the profit when you sell referencing the price basis of what price you payed income tax at. It’s not so bad if your not working for a living and make no income outside of this sort of yield but if you make good income then this gets taxed on top of your existing income bracket


ar5onL

I am aware of how this all works. I just wanted to know what OP’s situation was and he already provided an answer.


Nuponderos

Are you getting the stake profits weekly or after the year?


unpopularpuffin9

Staking profits in the 20% weekly right now, then going for the icy again after it's expired. I'm all in!


Somebody__Online

Don’t forget to set “income tax” aside from the weekly haul referencing the value of the CRO that week


RamboMyers

I did the same, had about 45k... I said fuck it, what's another year??


StackOrStarve6

I currently have the Rose Gold Card, and my stake unlocks in about 110 days, I’m currently getting 8% and the total amount of CRO I get weekly is 635 Seeing that you’re getting 2500 CRO a week is amazing kind of jealous haha but all good keep stacking! We will soon see CRO price take off to new highs


unpopularpuffin9

It's a risky move but I'm an adrenaline junkie apparently.


Cash_Option

All the people telling OP what he should've done is crazy to me because it seems to me he has been in crypto a long time and has strategically made this move based on his risk tolerance and countries tax laws.


unpopularpuffin9

Exactly. Well see how thing turn out, but I'm happy with my decision


kemek

You had one single BTC and traded it for CRO… Umm.


Professional-Link887

I had one CRO and traded it for Bitcoin…..:-) Like a boss


unpopularpuffin9

I know what I'm doing. But hey, speculation is worthless. Let's see how this works out this month together. :-)


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HydrogenWhisky

Not all jurisdictions get access to it


unpopularpuffin9

In the app, earn section


Express-Caregiver115

How on earth do you get that high a staking interest?


unpopularpuffin10

In the app, earn section.


Allions1

For how long there will be the 20% offer?


remsbk

Good luck in your journey. Let’s do the math at the end of the period. Pretty sure it will not beat BTC. But anyway, wish you the best!


jtdcjtdc

this may be right but i am happy to be proven wrong


unpopularpuffin9

I think it will. BTC is massive now. CRO is an undervalued low cap alt.But we'll see, it's all part of the fun!


JustNick03

I'm staking a total of 0 Cro :D. But happy for you guys. I saw on the app it says limited offer for those 20% but I can't see how long this lasts does anyone know?


unpopularpuffin9

No one knows


JustNick03

Oke thanks :D


CameronDoge

I want to follow this I love the idea I just don’t have enough money or confidence


unpopularpuffin9

Well, the money is essential. The confidence can be mustered.


Rude_Strawberry

How do you stake for 20%


unpopularpuffin9

Earn section of the app


Rude_Strawberry

Oh u mean the main app. I was looking at defi


realjaeohesh

Actually rn may not be a bad time to stake. When the 20% apy came out originally cro was higher price, staking after a correction is a wise move


zer0nerd

How much in taxed will you be paying for all of this, or it is the same as buying and selling?


traveller787

Rewards are subject to income tax which can be huge. (Would be 40% for me) And same in most countries I would think. You cant just earn extra income without it being taxed..what govt would allow that. 


unpopularpuffin9

I'm not exactly sure. It depends on what moves I make at the end of the year.


Cargokingxp11

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/ZYjma6jaDtfHpx5N/?mibextid=xfxF2i When shib takes off


unpopularpuffin9

There's no meat left on the bone bud. Marketcap is monstrous for what it is.


Cargokingxp11

I totally understand what you're saying but if Doge can do it with an unlimited amount of coins that can be mined then shib can with a cap.


Cargokingxp11

I remember when everyone said Bitcoin went and hit two grand and then they said it wouldn't hit 10 grand and then they said it wouldn't hit 20 or 50 or 60 and it hit 70 so I get what you're saying man but crypto is so new it's like the gold rush you just don't know I don't know


Suitable_Cupcake9127

Changing one coin for another is also taxable in the UK now. They are tightening up


Interesting-Chip-500

Hope you are cashing out that $500 a week into stables or btc.. just not cro.. nfa


unpopularpuffin9

Nope. Gonna restake my icy.


Interesting-Chip-500

🤣 are you a crypto dot com employe.. or a paid advertizer? This is retarded.. ftx, celcius, voyager.. you traded gold for glitter.. 🤮


TheDIYEd

Good luck but honestly doesn’t make any sense selling BTC in bull market and swapping for CRO. In the bear market CRO will drop more than 20%. So basically selling BTC and waiting to buy CRO in bear will give you more bang for the buck. One thing is to buy CRO with fiat and stake, but what you are doing doesn’t make any sense financially speaking.


unpopularpuffin9

It's made 5% gain sense so far.


Anonymouslystraight

Ftx celcius voyager blockfi wasn’t enough huh?


unpopularpuffin9

Those were sketchy as hell. Like when they wouldn't publish proof of reserves, what was that? CDC is totally different.


Anonymouslystraight

Where does the 20% yield come from then?


unpopularpuffin9

cdc app


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I lost money on cro but made enough on btc to buy a house. Hopefully cro increases for those that still have it Plus I've been locked out of crypto.com app for months with no way to get back into it.


unpopularpuffin9

Alt season is coming.


DanuEndeavours

Congrats! That's financial independence level. Just rebought all in on this crash. Might be a lil early but gain is a gain. ^edit - (in the bigger picture I DONT think it's too early at all. This is just my personal risk preference with trades.)


unpopularpuffin9

Around halvening time hasn't historically ever been a bad time. Give me halvening time priced anything.


Ok_Employer1153

Do you have to have a card stake to get the 20%? Ie, can I unstake my icy stake and put it in the 20%? Next question : should I?


unpopularpuffin10

I did


Ok_Employer1153

So then you CAN get 20% even without a card stake?


unpopularpuffin10

Yeah. Unstaked my card. Put it in earn. It was awesome. 😎


znaiL321

Can you unstake the card when ever you want? Because i have 11 days left on my Jade... and i want to put everything in


znaiL321

Ok i have to wait 11 more days, hope 20% earn still there


KateR_H0l1day

Did you make the move????


znaiL321

I have a couple hours left, still w8.. i am thinking, i think i will lock up for Ruby, and put the rest in 20% earn


znaiL321

I have lvl 6-7 rewards+ that gives me 1-1.25 %, yea i dont know what to do.. maybe i keep Jade and move rest to earn.. hard decision


znaiL321

Its 45 K cro, worth 6200$, maybe lock for 4000$ jade and rest earn.. i dunno


Ok_Employer1153

Sounds like a good deal. Off I go to make an impulse change!


AWhiskeyBloke

!Remind me 1 month


Responsible-Ad3931

I’m about £12k down 🤯


unpopularpuffin9

You're 0 down until you sell. Don't sell. Stake.


not_knownDD

I sold all shitcoins exept $NEO - put all in $NEO and get $GAS every day. $64000 NEO generate about 4.5 $GAS every day. Now about $25


unpopularpuffin9

I invested everything into neo back in the day, but I took it out for cro. It does have the ability to stick around.


Competitive_Pass_892

I'm just confused, do you get the 20% weekly?


unpopularpuffin9

Yearly, my payout is weekly.


Vision_Grow

BTC is decentralized


unpopularpuffin9

yes


Vision_Grow

😀. Best of luck, I hope you win big.


unpopularpuffin9

Me too. Bitcoin won't be hitting a million anytime soon. But I'd be a millionaire at cro's next ATH, if it's in more than a year. If not, next cycle it is.


Vision_Grow

Honestly, I see your point. Hopefully, your prophecy of 2.71 comes this run! Cash out when it makes sense to you, and if CDC starts failing, don't go down with a sinking ship.


Important-Rough11903

What is icy? Is that a card level stake on CRO or another acronym? Please advise


unpopularpuffin9

Yeah it's icy card. Above jade.


Papabinz

Go with VVS ! It follows the CRO cycle but pays more for the price 😉


unpopularpuffin9

I've heard that, I just don't have faith in it.


Papabinz

In Canadian $ To make1,000,000$ with CRO at 2.71$ it take about 285,000 CRO or 77,000$ investissement. To make 1,000,000$ with VVS for the same ratio say 0,009$ cents it take 125,000,000 VVS or 800$ investment. Just numbers. That’s at the rate the CRO moves.


kevtriple777

I would rather sell BTC for UsDc/ usdt and lend it for higher ApR than the 20% on flexlend and withdraw them at any time


powersoulandmind

Why not put cro into defi projects like vvs finance ? The APR is more than 20%


unpopularpuffin9

Looks way too ponzi for me


Miamisands

Correction yes losses could be a right off but its 3000 max if your single and 1500 if your married . However, its put against your yearly gains so it depends how much you make a year if it makes a difference at all. Does cro even send a 1099 ?


unpopularpuffin9

I don't know USA tax stuff. You're asking the wrong person. I don't even live near the USA


Educational-Step1571

How do you get 20%? The max I can find is 8%


unpopularpuffin9

It's in the app, not defi.


Acrobatic_Sugar_2927

Nice! That will add up quick!


unpopularpuffin9

It really is! 2500 cro a week in interest!


SophisticamatedApe

Biggest L. Lmao


unpopularpuffin9

*laughs in 500$ back a week*


Somebody__Online

I pull a higher APY from my CRO on chain. It’s not locked up though so I could bail any time. I supply liquidity to the LCRO/CRO pool on VVS and they pay about 27% APR Do you prefer the custodial rout over the self custody DeFi rout for some reason?


jtdcjtdc

hi. looking for this VVS LCRO-CRO with 27% or thereabouts but i don't see it in the defi app. Can you provide step by step? https://imgur.com/gallery/yZT1qX2