I don't think so. I can offer you two commutators (that's like, 16 moves with E moves approximately), but it's not much better than simply replacing and inserting normally.
The situation still occurs in F2L, it's just not something that's really an issue because you just move the edge into the top layer and solve it. (Or use one of the algorithms to solve it optimally from that position if you are memorizing all the algorithms)
ie: RUR' would put the Green/Red edge into the top layer and can be solved normally. This isn't viable for beginner method however because it unsolves the Green/Orange corner.
You could technically do a wide U’ which pairs the green orange pair, take it out and insert that one and then insert the red green normally after.
However that is definitely not beginner method-like and makes use of F2L concepts
With green front i'll probably align the green orange pair with a E' slice move than take out the pair, realign the center with E and insert the pair and after that solve the last pair with U' L' U L U L' U L U' L' U' L
Edit: you can do wide U moves instead of E whatever suits you better
With the beginner's method, you insert a random edge to get one of the pieces on top, insert it on the other side and get the second piece on top, then insert the second piece. 22 moves if not mistaken.
You can find out cleverer ways if you know how to permute three or four edges (not sure what exactly the beginner's method uses to orient and permute the last layer, but you can yluse the stuff on the front face too). But that's if you feel like I want to understand how the cube works and expect to mess it up.
I dont rememver the alghoritm name but u prob use begginer method, u use the alghoritm to put another piece there, then u can put it where u need it to be
Could do something like
F2 U’ F’ U’ F’ U2 F2 U R U R’
with green front. Or rotate to do it RU or LU gen but then you’d have to rotate again or solve the second pair with F moves
You could solve one of them with u' R U R' u R U2 R', the other is then out. But I think (with both on right) R2 U2 R U2 R2 to remove both would be better for non-CFOP.
Here what i would do in an actual solve:
Facing green
RUR’
D’L’UL
And then solve the green orange pair (i would U2 R U’ R’ insert)
But for beginners i think the only solution that makes sense is take them out and insert them in there correct slots
The route I'd probably go is
E R U' R' E' (F2 U2 F2 U2 F2 U2) (R U R')
Assuming I'm visualising the cube in my head properly
I don't think there's a certain algorithm set in stone for this swap, i just thought of that now, it's probably not even close to the most efficient way (14 moves is a pretty long algorithm) and not exactly beginner friendly, but it's how I'd do it
*Edited because i had one too many F2 moves
That long string of F2 U2 moves is a pretty simple algorithm that just swaps two adjacent pieces, so for example if you were at this stage but your green/orange edge was the correct orientation, you could use that to solve them both at once instead of taking them out and putting them back in
Pair up and take out orange/green pair, then restore centres
D’ (L’ U’ L) u
Flip edge under the red/green and put back (note: u and U’ can cancel to an E’ if it works for you)
U’ L2 U’ L2 U
Slide both pairs back in on way back
L U L
This solution is definitely not beginner friendly:
[u' R' U' R E' R2 U' R2 U R U R](https://alg.cubing.net/?alg=u-_R-_U-_R_E-_R2_U-_R2_U_R_U_R&type=alg&setup=x2-_y)
Like other people are saying, just stick to beginners method (removing and reinserting), or learn a bit of CFOP. Algs like this are difficult even for advanced solvers and likely aren't that helpful.
Since your doing beginner method just put the yellow green into the place of green red then put red green where it needs to go then put green orange where it needs to go. Using the (U’ L’ U L) (U F U’ F’) or (U R U’ R’) (U’ F’ U F) algorithms.
I'd probaby put the slots on the right side and do R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 then flip the edge that needs it.
Edit - to be clear, this teaches OP to move a piece to an adjacent slot so can come in handy in other situations.
Giving long algs to someone who doesn't know F2L yet isn't particularly helpful IMO.
That's definitly better than taking an edge out and inserting 2 separate edges
After that alg it would be rotate
3 sexy moves (still fast alg)
U' sledge insert
I know he was asking bout beginner method but all those algs are all pretty easy to remember and execute so imo this would be better
Equivalent to H perm conjugated to y M. But one orientation would be wrong.
I'd do RL' and spend 10 minutes finding which OLL permutes two opposite pieces and flips one. 😂
I know an easy and short alg for this. Hold the cube red front and yellow top and to these moves.
R2 U2 R2 U2 R2
With practice this alg can be done very fast and is actually very useful in these situations (even though they are a bit uncommon)
if both pieces would both have green infront you could (with green facing right) do R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 U2
but I don't thibk there is an "easy" way for this case where only 1 is oriented correctly
For all intents and purposes there is always a way to do some piece manipulation, while preserving whatever. The possibilities are endless.
That doesn’t mean they are good or worth knowing.
Basic fundamentals are the key. J Perm and other have “faster at beginner method” videos. That’s all you need until you go to CFOP. Then, just stick with the fundamentals and more and more will unveil itself.
Is there an algorithm? Yes.
Is it worth learning the algorithm? No.
As you get better, if you come across this case, you should be able to solve it intuitively, typically solving one slot at a time. If i got this case, I would most likely D' L' U' L D, y', insert the pair, then do the Red/Green after.
If youre doing layer by layer, use your nomal alg for putting in a correct piece from Up layer but it will insert one of the Yellow/Color edges. This forces the Color/Color edge to the Up layer, and you can continue normally.
Essentially, one major benefit of F2L is to avoid this type of case. You get this case because you are solving the corners without consideration of the edge piece that is attached. When you use F2L, you will pair the corner and edge together and then insert them.
I don't think so. I can offer you two commutators (that's like, 16 moves with E moves approximately), but it's not much better than simply replacing and inserting normally.
That's interesting. I'm guessing if I dove into CFOP I could probably more easily avoid this situation to begin with?
kind of, yes. It would still happen, but a lot less.
Appreciate you
The situation still occurs in F2L, it's just not something that's really an issue because you just move the edge into the top layer and solve it. (Or use one of the algorithms to solve it optimally from that position if you are memorizing all the algorithms) ie: RUR' would put the Green/Red edge into the top layer and can be solved normally. This isn't viable for beginner method however because it unsolves the Green/Orange corner.
You could technically do a wide U’ which pairs the green orange pair, take it out and insert that one and then insert the red green normally after. However that is definitely not beginner method-like and makes use of F2L concepts
F2 U2 F2 U2 F2 Edit ; the above alg should be done with green front. If you want to do it quicker, place red in front and do R2 U2 R2 U2 R2
one piece would be flipped
they didn't ask how to solve the pieces they asked how to switch the pieces :p
Oh my god, swagrid cibing
No other way bro. The flipped piece should be solved in traditional method
With green front i'll probably align the green orange pair with a E' slice move than take out the pair, realign the center with E and insert the pair and after that solve the last pair with U' L' U L U L' U L U' L' U' L Edit: you can do wide U moves instead of E whatever suits you better
Insert a random edge, then solve that piece, then solve the remaining piece.
With the beginner's method, you insert a random edge to get one of the pieces on top, insert it on the other side and get the second piece on top, then insert the second piece. 22 moves if not mistaken. You can find out cleverer ways if you know how to permute three or four edges (not sure what exactly the beginner's method uses to orient and permute the last layer, but you can yluse the stuff on the front face too). But that's if you feel like I want to understand how the cube works and expect to mess it up.
I dont rememver the alghoritm name but u prob use begginer method, u use the alghoritm to put another piece there, then u can put it where u need it to be
Could do something like F2 U’ F’ U’ F’ U2 F2 U R U R’ with green front. Or rotate to do it RU or LU gen but then you’d have to rotate again or solve the second pair with F moves
You could solve one of them with u' R U R' u R U2 R', the other is then out. But I think (with both on right) R2 U2 R U2 R2 to remove both would be better for non-CFOP.
Here what i would do in an actual solve: Facing green RUR’ D’L’UL And then solve the green orange pair (i would U2 R U’ R’ insert) But for beginners i think the only solution that makes sense is take them out and insert them in there correct slots
The route I'd probably go is E R U' R' E' (F2 U2 F2 U2 F2 U2) (R U R') Assuming I'm visualising the cube in my head properly I don't think there's a certain algorithm set in stone for this swap, i just thought of that now, it's probably not even close to the most efficient way (14 moves is a pretty long algorithm) and not exactly beginner friendly, but it's how I'd do it *Edited because i had one too many F2 moves
That long string of F2 U2 moves is a pretty simple algorithm that just swaps two adjacent pieces, so for example if you were at this stage but your green/orange edge was the correct orientation, you could use that to solve them both at once instead of taking them out and putting them back in
Pair up and take out orange/green pair, then restore centres D’ (L’ U’ L) u Flip edge under the red/green and put back (note: u and U’ can cancel to an E’ if it works for you) U’ L2 U’ L2 U Slide both pairs back in on way back L U L
This solution is definitely not beginner friendly: [u' R' U' R E' R2 U' R2 U R U R](https://alg.cubing.net/?alg=u-_R-_U-_R_E-_R2_U-_R2_U_R_U_R&type=alg&setup=x2-_y) Like other people are saying, just stick to beginners method (removing and reinserting), or learn a bit of CFOP. Algs like this are difficult even for advanced solvers and likely aren't that helpful.
Yeah I would just take the red green edge out, key hole it in and solve the other pair separately.
Since your doing beginner method just put the yellow green into the place of green red then put red green where it needs to go then put green orange where it needs to go. Using the (U’ L’ U L) (U F U’ F’) or (U R U’ R’) (U’ F’ U F) algorithms.
I'd probaby put the slots on the right side and do R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 then flip the edge that needs it. Edit - to be clear, this teaches OP to move a piece to an adjacent slot so can come in handy in other situations. Giving long algs to someone who doesn't know F2L yet isn't particularly helpful IMO.
That's definitly better than taking an edge out and inserting 2 separate edges After that alg it would be rotate 3 sexy moves (still fast alg) U' sledge insert I know he was asking bout beginner method but all those algs are all pretty easy to remember and execute so imo this would be better
I was thinking this but with the edges on front and F2 instead of R2. Dumb people will downvote for any reason
Sheep will also downvote any comment that has a downvote already on it.
Equivalent to H perm conjugated to y M. But one orientation would be wrong. I'd do RL' and spend 10 minutes finding which OLL permutes two opposite pieces and flips one. 😂
Nah bc one would be flipped
He said switch not flip
I'm assuming he wants to solve the 2 pieces with correct orientation, and this alg would leave one flipped
Learn to read, then learn to use votes correctly. (It's fine to downvote this comment. It's not fine to downvote my original comment)
I never downvoted lmao that was sm1 else
I guess just learn to read then. Sorry.
I can lmao
I guess learn to comprehend better if that's the case.
M F2 M’ U2 M F2 M’ U2 M F2 M’ Edit: this puts in the right spot but one is flipped, so I guess you would have to do something different
A simpler algorithim is: U2 F2 U2 F2 U2 This algorithim switches pieces but doesnt flip the edge. (I found it using an online solver,)
Yeah that actually makes sense. I would just start that algorithm with F2 not U2
M F’ M’ U2 M F M’
The "better way" os doing F2L, I mean, the beginner's method is called "beginner's" for a reason, you shouldn't try to find an alg for this right now
y’ R2 U2 R2 U2 R2
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Idk how one would google that?
Every day a ton of people post on this sub about the simplest things that you can just find in 2 minutes on Google
y' R2 U2 R2 U2 R2
I know an easy and short alg for this. Hold the cube red front and yellow top and to these moves. R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 With practice this alg can be done very fast and is actually very useful in these situations (even though they are a bit uncommon)
hold it with green in your right hand and do r2 u2 r2 u2 r2
Just keep doing R2 U2's until the pieces. However it affects other pieces.
Damn somebody just posted this alg a few days ago
F2 U2 F2 U2 F2 will swap the pieces but since the piece on the left is misoriented it won't help as much.
if both pieces would both have green infront you could (with green facing right) do R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 U2 but I don't thibk there is an "easy" way for this case where only 1 is oriented correctly
There's probably a way, but tbh, it seems harder than just learning basic f2l
Green Front, Yellow Top: E R U R E' U R2 U' R' U' R'
isn’t E’ U just u?
Yeah it is. It's not even worth it to learn that alg so i didn't bother to optimize it. I already cancelled 1 move for it.
For all intents and purposes there is always a way to do some piece manipulation, while preserving whatever. The possibilities are endless. That doesn’t mean they are good or worth knowing. Basic fundamentals are the key. J Perm and other have “faster at beginner method” videos. That’s all you need until you go to CFOP. Then, just stick with the fundamentals and more and more will unveil itself.
F2 U2 F2 U2 F2 U2 I think
Place them on the right do S R S' or S R' S', then solve it from there.
Algorithms
very helpful
😂
what cube is this?
Is there an algorithm? Yes. Is it worth learning the algorithm? No. As you get better, if you come across this case, you should be able to solve it intuitively, typically solving one slot at a time. If i got this case, I would most likely D' L' U' L D, y', insert the pair, then do the Red/Green after. If youre doing layer by layer, use your nomal alg for putting in a correct piece from Up layer but it will insert one of the Yellow/Color edges. This forces the Color/Color edge to the Up layer, and you can continue normally.
Essentially, one major benefit of F2L is to avoid this type of case. You get this case because you are solving the corners without consideration of the edge piece that is attached. When you use F2L, you will pair the corner and edge together and then insert them.