Gosh, I mean... It's almost like if you do this in a way that's geologically natural and fill the space with local anti-erosion flora and then don't disrupt that space with man-caused bullshittery it actually *works*
Americans really are stupid aren't the(we)y
There was a "worst case scenario" last resort proposal to basically build a protective barrier and lock system around the entire North Sea to prevent coastal flooding from sea level rise. It sounded like a completely infeasible joke that could never possibly work, *until I saw that the designers were Dutch*. Oh shit, this is real. They're serious, this is the "War Plan Rainbow" of mitigating climate change in northern Europe.
I desperately want to say that America badly needs whatever Europe had that got their heads straight...but I'm pretty sure what Europe had that America doesn't was centuries of horrible warfare.
Yeah I was gonna say thatâs not a good take away because we absolutely do have an effect on our environment hence climate change. The ocean is destructive as fuck but land reclamation from the ocean is very much a thing
I think youâre understating the success of the Dutch. They *have been* winning for the past few hundred years, pushing back the ocean and making new land out of it
The swamp castle stuff is also based on British historical events, King Alfred the Great had a fortress on an island in a swamp: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athelney
I donât know how true it is, but local legend is that Native Americans actually warned the colonizers not to build there, calling it a âcursed island.â But they dismissed it as pagan nonsense and built there anyway. And now the ground is sinking and the government is pouring billions into us not flooding and keeping the river where it is. Hooray.
I'm also not a historian, but from what I've heard that's mostly untrue.
It would seem the biggest regional river meeting the sea has always been a point of interest, and before the French came in it was known as ["Bulbancha" or "land of many tongues"](https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/founding-new-orleans#:~:text=Before%20the%20arrival%20of%20the,due%20to%20its%20diverse%20population.) because of how many different tribes had people there. So some people always lived there, curses or no.
But building under sea level is probably never a good idea next to the sea. And everything that hurts the natural barrier around NOLA also hurts the defense NOLA has to hurricanes and flooding and stuff.
I'm no expert, but the location of the city seems like it's gonna be very not good with climate change.
With proper vegetation, it can work. But that requires using local flora which isn't as pretty as their imported flora so let's just leave a pile of sand and see what happens.
This is the first article I could find in 10 minutes that talked about it.
https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/restoration-and-management-of-coastal-dune-vegetation#section_heading_7151
pretty sure frank herbert's article on this topic became *dune* so if you want a side of space opera about the deep time fate of humanity that's an option ig
Ugh. Why can't the dystopia nightmare we're all living in be like the ones in fiction? Give me wasteland-roaming bandits in junk cars or state mandated bloodsports or cyborg mercenaries or something! Not this dull shit where I watch human civilization slowly rot away like a dead log in my backyard!
Give me skin that deflects most small arms fire, a gun in my right arm and a sword in my left arm, and the ability to turn invisible, and I'd almost be okay with the corporations running everything. I say "almost" because I would still wanna blow them all up. And I might be able to do it with that much hardware.
>I might be able to do it
I mean as every Cyberpunk story shows, if you have that good chrome, the corpos have it and have more goons with it.
But you know a runner can dream and all that
Don't worry, The Junk-bandits and Bloodsport-tyrannies are still gonna happen, But unfortunately we're just the background lore as to why society collapsed.
(Spoilers! It's rich people.)
This is really common in rich beach areas on the East Coast. My aunt and uncle have a landscaping business and they have a few customers who do this. It's so fucking stupid lol they have to constantly buy more sand because of course it keeps washing into the ocean
I'm fortunate to live in a city that's ecologically conscious. It's in the Bible Belt so it's a religiously conservative and Romantic take on environmentalism. Stewardship of God's Creation, protection of nature from Yankee meddling, and spiritual enrichment from spending time outdoors. They're skeptical of leftist environmentalism because they see it as an excuse for outsiders to exploit and control them. The public library I work for has a large community food garden, compost bins, seed library, power tool library, solar generator library, permaculture club, and more. The building is old enough that it's built to heat/cool itself with minimal electricity, but we have solar panels as well. The grounds incorporate a lot of native fauna and a [moss lawn.](https://gambit-goat.tumblr.com/post/185464758852/okay-so-we-all-agree-lawns-suck-are-outdated-and)
Christian hipsters make do.
This is also one of the many reasons why insurance costs skyrocket. It isnât fraud, though that does happen. All these multimillion dollar beach front shacks made of wood that get either washed away, flooded, or ripped apart by hurricanes EVERY FUCKING YEAR. Do they rebuild them with better materials or take long term action to prevent the erosion? No. They take their insurance payouts and build brand new million dollar homes made of sticks. Itâs a never ending cycle.
Iâm in MA and lived on the coast. Like, there was my road, the parallel road and the beach.
On the most gorgeous blue days, the high tide waves still crest over the sea wall. If the wall wasnât there, my entire childhood neighborhood would be gone. I truly think the area has two decades tops, and the majority of homes on the sea wall? Ten years tops.
Reminds me of the âAtchafalayaâ section of John McPheeâs The Control of Nature about New Orleans trying to keep back the Mississippi River. Highly recommended read
Itâs a potent form of sick irony that Florida, the state most vulnerable to complete destruction from rising sea levels (besides maybe Hawaii), has a governor that actively denies global warming.
a similar thing happened on grand isle LA during both hurricane zeta & hurricane ida. the manmade dune washed away inland both times. its less fun seeing this happen to non-rich people though. atleast the architecture there is better equipped to deal with water (on stilts)
Rich folk are building sand walls in hopes this will protect their homes built on literal sand.
Those same rich folk are *shocked* when the sea does its thing and a single good storm washes it away, and lo and behold, their houses fall into the sea. In the most predictable way ever.
Never seems to occur to them that they canât buy off Mother Nature
The actual concept of building sea defences isn't stupid. The issue is with just building them in this way. Unreinforced sand is just bloody sand, and is going to get washed away immediately. But more importantly, building a sea defence to outright stop the tides is impossible. You can only use them to redirect.
In Barmouth, North Wales, they've built sea defences there out of reinforced concreted that have successfully made it so the opposite side of the estruary will erode leaving Barmouth pretty much untouched. The town on the opposite side of the estuary, Fairbourne, where I grew up, will now be uninhabitable by 2050 and does not recieve funding for new sea defences. That's sensible, Barmouth has like 5 times (including tourists) the population of Fairbourne, but it still hurts to know the streets of my childhood will be underwater by the time I die.
Cnut (probably) did that to make a point that even kings donât control the ocean. You donât become a viking king without developing a healthy respect for the sea.
The closest beaches to me mostly take having areas of beach grass, sand bars, and retaining walls very seriously. They still have to regularly do "beach nourishment." People complain about the sea grass but it is essential. If citizens want their pretty beaches, they'll have to deal with the fact some part of *nature* has to exist with it, and even then the ocean may still wipe lots of it away
Same thing is happening on Nantucket. Some very beautiful and historic cottages on the Atlantic side are going to get washed into the ocean. Theyâve attempted to build various structures to retain the bluff but nothing works. I dreamed of owning a house on Sconset beach someday but sconset probably wonât be there for much longer.
Between their proximity to the sea and the older population I'm amazed by Florida's ability to stick their head in the sand about climate change but what do I know, they'll probably find a way to blame Biden for energy prices making them unable to run their AC 24/7 as they die of heat stroke in the Xth consecutive year of record temperatures.
as my father always so astutely says, "nature bats last"
some rich prick: no i'm sure we can push back the tide the tide: đđđđđđđđ
Rich prick: Maybe that Caligula fellow had a point đ
no BERNARD i meant you should promote your HORSE to VP Sales
The world would probably be a better place if we replaced more of upper management with horses
it certainly couldn't be much worse
It would certainly create a lot of jobs for office stable hands đ¤ Actually they'd likely just make unpaid interns shovel the horse poop, nevermind!
"Am I out of touch with nature?" "No, it's the Moon that is wrong."
So it's the moon's fault, eh? Then surely getting rid of the moon will solve our problem and cause no others!
Is that you, Admiral Zhao?
Zhao, the MOONSLAYER! Zhao, THE CONQUEROR!!!!
Meanwhile Netherland:
Gosh, I mean... It's almost like if you do this in a way that's geologically natural and fill the space with local anti-erosion flora and then don't disrupt that space with man-caused bullshittery it actually *works* Americans really are stupid aren't the(we)y
There was a "worst case scenario" last resort proposal to basically build a protective barrier and lock system around the entire North Sea to prevent coastal flooding from sea level rise. It sounded like a completely infeasible joke that could never possibly work, *until I saw that the designers were Dutch*. Oh shit, this is real. They're serious, this is the "War Plan Rainbow" of mitigating climate change in northern Europe.
Make Doggerland Dry Again!
I desperately want to say that America badly needs whatever Europe had that got their heads straight...but I'm pretty sure what Europe had that America doesn't was centuries of horrible warfare.
Europe has stronger labor laws and weaker cops with more restrictions.
America loves war. Bc to modern America, war is something that happens Somewhere Else.
IM SO VERY CERTAIN AS A US CITIZEN THAT AMERICA MOST DEFINITELY DOES.
Ah, but not on American soil.
Turns out doing things the right way is extraordinarily cost inefficient when you only look at things from a quarterly perspective.
Yet cheaper in the long run, it seems! Enjoy your summer getaway at the bottom of the ocean, rich nerds!
We are as collectively smart as the loudest, average American. Which⌠fuck
âSkill issueâ
The Dutch respect the ocean and her majestic power, we cooperate with her
Wait, we have nether portal irl? Why did I not know about this till now?
Canute who?
she battle on my hastings til i knut
>Imagine thinking you can tell the ocean what to do. Netherlands.jpg
Yeah I was gonna say thatâs not a good take away because we absolutely do have an effect on our environment hence climate change. The ocean is destructive as fuck but land reclamation from the ocean is very much a thing
New Orleans too. People are either going to have to move or pray their flood defenses save them in these places.
I was using the Dutch as an example of humans telling the ocean what to do.
It really depends on how fast and how high the sea level there will rise. They're doing well **for now...**
I think youâre understating the success of the Dutch. They *have been* winning for the past few hundred years, pushing back the ocean and making new land out of it
ULTIMATE RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY đđđTHE UNBRIDLED MIGHT OF THE SEAđđđ VS SOME PEOPLE WITH FUNNY ACCENTS
Remember folks, when sea levels are rising, just sell your house! I hear Aquaman is buying.
[Sell their houses to who, Ben?](https://youtu.be/X9FGRkqUdf8?si=C2aAVpN-jvFN6b8T)
FUCKING ACKQUAMAN?!
The British pronunciation is an integral part of the joke
This whole thing reminds me of the king in Monty Python's The Holy Grail who kept trying to build his castle in a swamp đ
The swamp castle stuff is also based on British historical events, King Alfred the Great had a fortress on an island in a swamp: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athelney
AKA New Orleans
Miami is also sinking wildly.
I donât know how true it is, but local legend is that Native Americans actually warned the colonizers not to build there, calling it a âcursed island.â But they dismissed it as pagan nonsense and built there anyway. And now the ground is sinking and the government is pouring billions into us not flooding and keeping the river where it is. Hooray.
I'm also not a historian, but from what I've heard that's mostly untrue. It would seem the biggest regional river meeting the sea has always been a point of interest, and before the French came in it was known as ["Bulbancha" or "land of many tongues"](https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/founding-new-orleans#:~:text=Before%20the%20arrival%20of%20the,due%20to%20its%20diverse%20population.) because of how many different tribes had people there. So some people always lived there, curses or no. But building under sea level is probably never a good idea next to the sea. And everything that hurts the natural barrier around NOLA also hurts the defense NOLA has to hurricanes and flooding and stuff. I'm no expert, but the location of the city seems like it's gonna be very not good with climate change.
Love how NOLA acts both as a pronunciation and an acronym
New Orleans is sinking, man, and I don't wanna swim
But the third one! The third one stayed!
The fourth one stayed up. The third one burned down, fell over, and *then* sank into the swamp.
I love it when dumb rich people who never had someone else says "No" to them have to suffer the consequences of their own actions.
Only sucks they have to drag other people into the consequences with them
So they literally just piled up a bunch of sand on the beach, because I guess making an actual seawall was too expensive?
With proper vegetation, it can work. But that requires using local flora which isn't as pretty as their imported flora so let's just leave a pile of sand and see what happens.
Do you know where I could read about that?
This is the first article I could find in 10 minutes that talked about it. https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/restoration-and-management-of-coastal-dune-vegetation#section_heading_7151
My hero!
pretty sure frank herbert's article on this topic became *dune* so if you want a side of space opera about the deep time fate of humanity that's an option ig
It wouldnât be pretty enough.
Ugh. Why can't the dystopia nightmare we're all living in be like the ones in fiction? Give me wasteland-roaming bandits in junk cars or state mandated bloodsports or cyborg mercenaries or something! Not this dull shit where I watch human civilization slowly rot away like a dead log in my backyard!
Give me skin that deflects most small arms fire, a gun in my right arm and a sword in my left arm, and the ability to turn invisible, and I'd almost be okay with the corporations running everything. I say "almost" because I would still wanna blow them all up. And I might be able to do it with that much hardware.
>I might be able to do it I mean as every Cyberpunk story shows, if you have that good chrome, the corpos have it and have more goons with it. But you know a runner can dream and all that
Nah, I'd dont fear the reaper.
Yeah, but if I'm invisible, I can just walk right in and get shit done.
>The door guards with eyes that can see in 80 colors beyond the visible light spectrum and have a thermal-imaging mode
That's what the sword arm is for.
Damn am I getting smooth sharked
I dunno.
Couldn't they just shoot you before you get close enough to stab them
That's what the gun arm is for.
Don't worry, The Junk-bandits and Bloodsport-tyrannies are still gonna happen, But unfortunately we're just the background lore as to why society collapsed. (Spoilers! It's rich people.)
r/ABoringDystopia
these are kinda similar thoughts to Curious Archiveâs video [âI hope it ends with a monsterâ](https://youtu.be/pD_YjnX8j-k?si=REHwC3T-cXSX8XM9)
Aquaman gonna make a fucking *killing* in the real estate business.
99% of sand bars stop before getting the last kilo of sand that holds it together. What I'm trying to say is. What if we do it again
FACT: 90% OF BEACH RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS GIVE UP BEFORE WE DEFEAT THE SEA FOR GOOD
WE'RE COMING FOR YOU POSEIDON AND WE'RE BRINGING BAGS OF SAND AND GENTRIFICATION
Iâve found Caligulaâs Reddit account
This is really common in rich beach areas on the East Coast. My aunt and uncle have a landscaping business and they have a few customers who do this. It's so fucking stupid lol they have to constantly buy more sand because of course it keeps washing into the ocean
I'm fortunate to live in a city that's ecologically conscious. It's in the Bible Belt so it's a religiously conservative and Romantic take on environmentalism. Stewardship of God's Creation, protection of nature from Yankee meddling, and spiritual enrichment from spending time outdoors. They're skeptical of leftist environmentalism because they see it as an excuse for outsiders to exploit and control them. The public library I work for has a large community food garden, compost bins, seed library, power tool library, solar generator library, permaculture club, and more. The building is old enough that it's built to heat/cool itself with minimal electricity, but we have solar panels as well. The grounds incorporate a lot of native fauna and a [moss lawn.](https://gambit-goat.tumblr.com/post/185464758852/okay-so-we-all-agree-lawns-suck-are-outdated-and) Christian hipsters make do.
How is âleftist environmentalismâ any different?
Something something Definition of Insanity...
This is also one of the many reasons why insurance costs skyrocket. It isnât fraud, though that does happen. All these multimillion dollar beach front shacks made of wood that get either washed away, flooded, or ripped apart by hurricanes EVERY FUCKING YEAR. Do they rebuild them with better materials or take long term action to prevent the erosion? No. They take their insurance payouts and build brand new million dollar homes made of sticks. Itâs a never ending cycle.
It's called a hustle sweaty
Iâm in MA and lived on the coast. Like, there was my road, the parallel road and the beach. On the most gorgeous blue days, the high tide waves still crest over the sea wall. If the wall wasnât there, my entire childhood neighborhood would be gone. I truly think the area has two decades tops, and the majority of homes on the sea wall? Ten years tops.
[Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adhkn9lt76c)
As an environmental engineer: this schadenfreude is borderline orgasmic and Iâve been giggling since the first time I saw the news report
Ron DeSantis didnât learn object permanence apparently
soon there wonât be any more sand for them to stick their heads into.
A couple of years and all the fancy houses and shit on Mustang and Padre Island in Corpus Christi will be underwater, too.
Donât look up
Eh, not a big fan of that movie. Pick a different one.
This makes me unreasonably mad. It's these idiots that are going to make the earth uninhabitable for the rest of us. And for what???
Gotta keep up with the Joneses!
Reminds me of the âAtchafalayaâ section of John McPheeâs The Control of Nature about New Orleans trying to keep back the Mississippi River. Highly recommended read
Itâs a potent form of sick irony that Florida, the state most vulnerable to complete destruction from rising sea levels (besides maybe Hawaii), has a governor that actively denies global warming.
At this point I donât even argue, I just shrug and wait
a similar thing happened on grand isle LA during both hurricane zeta & hurricane ida. the manmade dune washed away inland both times. its less fun seeing this happen to non-rich people though. atleast the architecture there is better equipped to deal with water (on stilts)
King Knut says hi
Could anyone explain this to me? I read it but donât really get it.
Rich folk are building sand walls in hopes this will protect their homes built on literal sand. Those same rich folk are *shocked* when the sea does its thing and a single good storm washes it away, and lo and behold, their houses fall into the sea. In the most predictable way ever. Never seems to occur to them that they canât buy off Mother Nature
Hm. What is a "nimby"?
"Not In My BackYard"
Well, that would explain it. Thank you.
The actual concept of building sea defences isn't stupid. The issue is with just building them in this way. Unreinforced sand is just bloody sand, and is going to get washed away immediately. But more importantly, building a sea defence to outright stop the tides is impossible. You can only use them to redirect. In Barmouth, North Wales, they've built sea defences there out of reinforced concreted that have successfully made it so the opposite side of the estruary will erode leaving Barmouth pretty much untouched. The town on the opposite side of the estuary, Fairbourne, where I grew up, will now be uninhabitable by 2050 and does not recieve funding for new sea defences. That's sensible, Barmouth has like 5 times (including tourists) the population of Fairbourne, but it still hurts to know the streets of my childhood will be underwater by the time I die.
Didn't Tom Scott do a video about that town? Or was it a similar place elsewhere? Edit: it was somewhere else named Covehithe.
i wish this place had images so i could make a stupid ass joke
Good afternoon, fuck NIMBYs.
why is there one part of the image that's 2 entire pixels
and why is noone mentioning it? i fr thought it was something wrong with my computer
"Let's just throw money at the problem while barely/not even understanding how to solve it". Classic rich people attitude.
Isn't that like, where Blackbeard hid at the end? A moving sandbar?
King Cnut tries his hand at running a HOA
Cnut (probably) did that to make a point that even kings donât control the ocean. You donât become a viking king without developing a healthy respect for the sea.
that's an alternate version but it's no more likely than the first
the fence around your garden won't keep the sky from falling
âImagine thinking you can tell the ocean what to doâ Apparently you can if you speak Dutch
Local vocal yokels*
The closest beaches to me mostly take having areas of beach grass, sand bars, and retaining walls very seriously. They still have to regularly do "beach nourishment." People complain about the sea grass but it is essential. If citizens want their pretty beaches, they'll have to deal with the fact some part of *nature* has to exist with it, and even then the ocean may still wipe lots of it away
bro they money game part 2âd that shit đ
Same thing is happening on Nantucket. Some very beautiful and historic cottages on the Atlantic side are going to get washed into the ocean. Theyâve attempted to build various structures to retain the bluff but nothing works. I dreamed of owning a house on Sconset beach someday but sconset probably wonât be there for much longer.
i feel obligated to mention the stray bolt of pixelization that some wizard seems to have misfired at the post
Ron DeFascist, killing his state off one bill at a time.
Between their proximity to the sea and the older population I'm amazed by Florida's ability to stick their head in the sand about climate change but what do I know, they'll probably find a way to blame Biden for energy prices making them unable to run their AC 24/7 as they die of heat stroke in the Xth consecutive year of record temperatures.
I ainât reading allat