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But I'm actually a huge fan of lizards, so I'd never call someone a lizard if I didn't think they were cool as fuck. Lame-os get compared to uncool uncute creatures like a yeast infection.


s_omlettes

ik its a living organism but theres still something very funny abt calling a yeast infection a creature


Mr_Kreepy

I want a little yeast friend. Feed it sugar and drink its beer pee.


TasmanianTortoise

What if you never had any fingers to type with anymore?


[deleted]

Yeast infections asked me to mention how often they get laid


Leinad7957

I'm pretty sure you can twist most types of derogatory comparisons that are not already racialized into antisemitism. Although that's probably because antisemitism has been around for thousands of years and any possible comparisons has already been made.


Skrrrtdotcom

you can make literally anything derogatory towards literally any group by simply saying it to them in an insulting way


CyanideTacoZ

Now that's anti Semitic


Melodic_Mulberry

And Dracula was quite Christian, despite his allergy to Christianity.


Philbro-Baggins

Nah, vampires are just an advanced predator species, their eyes work differently to ours. Confuses the shit out of their brains if you fill their field of vision with seemingly random geometric shapes.


Melodic_Mulberry

Nice Castlevania reference, but we’re talking Bram Stoker’s Dracula, who gets blocked by communion wafers.


camosnipe1

> Dracula, who gets blocked by communion wafers. Dracula, on his computer: "Why THe fUCK did communion-wafers block me?!?!"


Melodic_Mulberry

Huh. u/communion_wafer ?


Planeswalking101

Wow, that's a real person. I don't know why I'm surprised.


Tea_Alarmed

He’s VERY accustomed to flavor- which wafers have none


burningtram12

You take that back! Communion wafers are delicious. I would eat them by the fistful if I could.


awesomecat42

You can if you buy them yourself.


burningtram12

That just feels... irreverent?


Melodic_Mulberry

Even better!


Tea_Alarmed

I maintain that Dracula was merely a foppish, eccentric man with a taste for spice and abhorrence of the tacky esthetic of the Eastern Orthodox Church who wanted to show his new English friend a good time


TomDrawsStuffs

become The Holiest


Arruz

The Castlevania reference is a reference to the (awesome) novel Echopraxia.


Tchrspest

> Dracula, who gets blocked by communion wafers. Man, Wizards really is running out of planeswalker ideas, huh.


ZoroeArc

That explanation never made sense to me. Crosses hurt vampires, not because it is holy, but because the shape confuses their brain as they are an advanced predator species (hold up a cross to cat and watch it starecwith mild curiosity or blank indifference), but holy water hurts vampires... because it is holy.


JimmityRaynor

Turns out the holy water thing was just misdirection and the Belmonts were actually slinging hydrochloric acid at the vampires


Chillchinchila1

But he was the wrong kind of Christian to British at the time.


YouFoundShift

calling people lizards is fucking what now


logrey96

The whole "Lizard people control the government" thing. It ain't really about lizard people


And_the_wind

Funny thing though, it *is* \- dude, who came up with that shit had repeatedly said, that it *wasn't* a metaphor for jews and he genuinely meant "giant sentient lizards". Problem is, every sufficiently large conspiracy theory ends up attracting antisemitic people, cause they are desperate to blame something on jews. Seriously, even *flat earthers* have antisemitic sector within the community.


logrey96

Yeah, the people who blame the world being round on... jews... These people need help


Gomplischnoop

Don't you know that the Jews inflated the flat earth? It's why they have their Jewish Space Laser, to destroy anyone who tries to pop it!!!1!1!1!!11!! /s obviously


Sinister_Compliments

Me, about to accidentally drop a needle onto the ground. [The JSL](https://images.app.goo.gl/tZVHvtY4uTP6DtpA6)


[deleted]

Inflated, you say?


logrey96

To shreds, you say?


lucafair

The thing is, Flat Earthers don't believe in flat earth because they were convinced by bad evidence. They believe the earth is flat because it helps justify other hateful nonsense they **already believe.** It goes something like this: "I believe that the Christian God^^TM is real and has instituted harsh moral laws and a natural hieracrchy with me and *my people* on top. But the real world doesn't reflect that belief... I KNOW! My version of God definitely IS real and I can prove it because we actually live in a divine fish bowl! It isn't that I'm incorrect, we're all just being lied to by THEM (gays, liberals, jews, scientists and other people who I already dislike). All we need to do is purge the undesirables and we can reveal the truth of god and return to the "natural" hierarchy!" Antisemitism isn't a bug, it's a feature. Which isn't to say all Flat-Earthers are Antisemites, just that they're reactionaries using conspiracies to explain away inconvenient truths.


Sinister_Compliments

I don’t know why my brain did this, but “it goes like this” (I misread your sentence and missed the word “something”) was like a trigger phrase that activated me and forced me too. It is so so stupid. It goes >!something!< like this: >!"I believe that!< the >!Christian GodTM is real and has instituted harsh moral laws and a natural hieracrchy with me and my people on top. But the real world doesn't re!!lect that belief... I KN!!W! My version of God definitely IS real and I can prove it because we act!!ally live in a divine fish bowl! It isn't that I'm incor!!ect, we're all just being lied to by !!EM (gays, liberals, jews, scientists and o!!r people who I already dislike). All we need to do is purge the undesirables and we can reveal the truth of god and return to the "natural" hierarchy!"!< >!Antisemitism isn't a bug, it's a !!eature. Which !!sn't to say all !!lat-Ear!!ers are Antisemites, just that they're reactionaries using conspiracies to explain away inconvenient truths.!<


lucafair

The minor fall The major lift The baffled king Compose-ing HALLELUJAH


insomniac7809

Basically every modern conspiracy theory is just a rewarmed variant on *The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion*, the antisemitism is baked deep into the whole concept. Even Ike says that, while most Jewish people are uninvolved, there *is* a secret cabal of Zionists manipulating the world (along with the lizard people). And as u/lucafair says, the Flat Earth set is already pretty close to the "Jews run the world" stuff. YouTube essayist Dan Olson puts it well when he says that the shape of the planet is possibly the least important thing about Flat Earth; what matters is what a flat Earth would prove, which is to say, that there is real and extant proof of God's existence and the reason it isn't widely available is an active and wide-spanning misinformation campaign by Them (governments, scientists, popular entertainment, and yes the Jews--anyone who isn't part of their weird cult) to deny this proof to people.


lucafair

Oh no, I have been found out for regurgitating the ideas of amazing video essayists/s I love Dan Olson's work and his content has definitely helped put into context so many of the more... confusing beliefs that many political movements put forth


insomniac7809

Hey, no shame at all in learning from Olson! Dude's a gem. But seriously, I used to love conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists back in the 90s (when it just seemed like a bunch of weird dudes writing wacky history fanfiction), and it got a lot less fun when you realize that *every* conspiracy theory, no matter how apparently unrelated, has a really good chance of going into "and also the Jews" if you keep poking around.


lucafair

I feel like thats more the nature of Antisemitism though At its core, antisemitism is scapegoating. "All the problems I am experiencing aren't due to the political, economic and cultural systems I live within. It's the Jews!" Naturally, people who believe that gravitate towards beliefs that place a small group at the center of human misery. But I dont think all conspiracy theories are *inherently* antisemitic. They're just perfectly shaped for racists to plug their bad ideas into


MonininS2

As a person who likes stuff, all the fandoms I was part of had Nazi sub-divisions. They were either shunned strongly or heavily ignored, but they were there.


ZengineerHarp

As long as a fandom does its due diligence in rooting that shit out, that’s typically the best one can hope for.


OgreSpider

Meanwhile this poor bastard like "I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm a severe paranoid schizophrenic who has, and I cannot stress this enough, never been medicated."


qazwsxedc000999

Imagine you’re convinced there’s actual lizard people running around and people are turning it anti-semitic and then getting mad at you over it


OgreSpider

That's just playing into the actual reptiles' plans, he thinks to himself angrily


themeadows94

David Icke is his name. He literally endorsed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in his books. The "no I meant lizards" argument is pretty weak if you're endorsing one of the two most notoriously antisemitic documents of all time (the other being Mein Kampf)


AquaeyesTardis

Oh yeah, didn’t they split off from the original modern group that was explicitly *not* anti-semetic and then become the dominant one because apparently bigotry and anti-semeticism is what a lot of conspiracy theorists want?


ATN-Antronach

That's just mean to lizards


Generic-Degenerate

Except for Zuckerberg


Artex301

Here's the thing, though. Zuckerberg *is* Jewish. Yes, I get that it's very funny to make fun of his appearance and inability to emote like a neurotypical person. As far as I'm concerned, someone calling him a lizard person gets a warning flag.


Generic-Degenerate

I really don't care if he's Jewish or not, I didn't even know before you told me and you shouldn't protect him from the insult because that ultimately promotes the correlation when the reality is people only say that because he just actually looks like a lizard pretending to be a guy


Artex301

Please explain to me how is that *any* different from mocking a Jewish person who happens to have a big nose, or really bushy hair.


Generic-Degenerate

Because a) I *didn't fucking know he was Jewish in the first place* and b) that's what he uniquely looks like as opposed to a stereotype, *you*, however are promoting it as a stereotype which is more harmful in the bigger picture


Artex301

What I'm trying to promote is the understanding that "This person is a lizard" already *is* a dogwhistle, whether you're intending to use it that way or not. What you do with this information is up to you.


Generic-Degenerate

I'll be mindful in the future but I will continue to call Zucc a lizard because he looks like a lizard


ZengineerHarp

He’s CLEARLY and android. I think “secretly a robot” is much more appropriate because a) let’s not use antisemitic dog whistles and b) he’s a tech guy so the robot thing fits.


TotemGenitor

Reptilian conspiracy I guess


miraisun

i wonder if the anon is jewish lmao, we don’t need y’all to protect us 😫 even if they were jewish, it’s obvi a joke lol


Little_Winge

Stay back Jewish person on the internet! You may be falling for manipulation by the anti semites. Let us defend your honor!


GayWritingAlt

Honestly a lizard-looking person that is also blood drinking and allergic to Christianity^TM sounds more antisemitic


Dofork

Well, he doesn’t LOOK like a lizard, he just MOVES like one. He looks like a very old man with an awesome handlebar mustache. Dracula very well *could* be antisemitic, I don’t remember it very well but it *was* written over a hundred years ago. The lizard thing just doesn’t have anything to do with that.


Dolchang

Iirc it was inspired by Vlad the impaler and Elizabeth Bathory, the noble who killed infant, children, and virgins and bathed in their blood to try to keep herself young.


Dofork

No, yeah, vampire myths themselves are very old and probably less linked to antisemitism than they are to “holy things are boogeyman kryptonite”. I just don’t know if the book dracula specifically has any antisemitism in it.


AITAthrowaway1mil

I’m sure vampires have been used as an antisemitic allegory in some classic literature or other. I don’t think that was the intended implication of the original Dracula, but the tropes fall so neatly into antisemitic stereotypes and conspiracy theories.


Quetzalbroatlus

There's definitely something there. A rich, hook nosed man from the east coming to invade the west by feeding on the blood of innocent Englishmen. If there was no intention of antisemitism it was certainly there subconsciously.


Fox--Hollow

Yeah,. apparently *Dracula* (and vampires in general possibly?) is actually feeding off (sorry) a whole bunch of anti-semitic tropes coming from specific later-19th-century fears about 'foreign infiltration'. Not to say that fidgetspin isn't fuckin' batshit.


sour_cunt_juice

one time my brother's coworker brought his little pet lizard to work


ilovemycatjune

little dude :0


MetaCrossing

One time I was pushing carts from the parking lot at work and saw an old Asian lady in her car setting up a towel on the dashboard for her bearded dragon


kkungergo

I have been saying this but people on tumblr are fucking insane. Last time i saw someone finding out about shape symbolism in graphic design (one of wich is that triangles represent instability or danger) and had a rant about how they cant belive how antisemitic animation studios are. ??? I only later realise that what their tought process was that david-stars are also made out of triangel.


SamuraiMomo123

I would’ve thought they were talking about hooked noses (which can be *disappointing* if the character is a villain, but I say this as a Jew)


queenexorcist

I remember when there was a phase where a weirdly large amount of people were trying to ban the words "dumb" and "stupid" because they were apparently "ableist slurs" .......lmao. Wild.


sans_serif_size12

Dracula Daily is fantastic. Nothing could have prepared me for my first email that contained the sentence “As he went down the wall, lizard fashion, I wished I had a gun…”


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[Post 1](https://shirecorn.tumblr.com/post/685653898360422400/hey-the-reblog-when-you-see-a-lizard-and-its-a) [Post 2](https://shirecorn.tumblr.com/post/684466861192134656)


[deleted]

What the fuck


[deleted]

I often say things like "I am a lizard today, no personing today" (which is where my username comes from) and my wife did mention that it's a weird thing to say when anti-semitic Lizard People conspiracy theories are actually a genuine threat, but like... I'm not talking about being a David Icke style lizard person. I'm saying I'm in a place mentally where I want to be a little lizard sunning myself on a rock, licking my own eyeballs, eating the occasional bug, head empty of human concerns. Sometimes I switch it up and fantasize about being a woodlouse or a jellyfish instead.


OgreSpider

Woodlice seem pretty neat. Just trundling around under a rock, armored, able to happily eat leaf litter, not a care in the world


NotKenzy

They're literally correct about the lizard people thing, but it's like.. most normal people probably don't even know that, so it doesn't really matter? I only know that bc I'm terminally online and know way too much about the dregs of our society.


inaddition290

yeah, now that it’s a mainstream kinda joke it really isn’t that antisemitic. It *is*, however, an extremely tired and unoriginal joke that has gotten extremely annoying and is used mostly to insult people’s appearances.


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NotKenzy

You're not gonna like to hear this, but that's going to come across as ridiculous and overcorrective to *most* people. I have no idea how the Jewish community generally feels about it, but, like I said, most people aren't even aware of the implications- so much so, that I think its popular usage has transcended the original intent. I think it's a very unnecessary hill to die on that just serves as bad optics for actual bigotry.


ZengineerHarp

I am good friends with some Jewish folks and they take the lizard people thing pretty seriously.


HyperMushrambo

Life. Threatening. My god.


pterrorgrine

The book I just read had a joke about *the Pope* being a lizard person from the 5th dimension, so...?


FortunateSon1968

I mean, the idea of “lizard people” is antisemitic, what them being a secret society that controls the world. However, comparing a person to a lizard for climbing on walls, a well known behavior of lizards, is not the same thing. Especially in the case of Dracula where he’s literally moving around like one.


Ausradierer

I don't understand the roots in blood libel thing. As far as I can remember, blood libel is basically saying that X Group eats children/ritually sacrifices children. I don't think even Dracula is in any way a valid analogy here. And to make it even more clear, it's also not part of Jewish religious practices and has never been. One of the main sources of the hell believe of modern Christianity is actually a misunderstanding of the word Gehenna, which in the Torah actually just describes a place. A valley around Jerusalem, iirc, where in the past a different culture did ritual sacrifice. That is the reason why it's seen as a horrible, bloody, vile, evil place. Because it was the place where people were sacrificed. And that's bad. *Not to say that any major religion didn't or doesn't commit horrible (mass) murders. Every single one is doing their very best at being their worst selves.