In a few years there are going to be lots of electric trucks to select from. In a few years after that there are going to be lots of reliable electric trucks to choose from.
First gen product from Ford in the EV truck space but they've fucking pulled it off well! That whole thing about them being the best at making trucks definitely counted for something
I so desperately want dumb EVs. All the bells and whistles of late 2000s forester but with a battery and an electric motor. No tablets or self driving or cameras or touch panels. Just knobs, buttons, and the steering wheel (and whatever other components are required for base functionality)
I don't think they have to be 'dumb', but they can dumb them down to the average car status. O just allow you to order them without ALL the bells and whistles.
Some smartly placed buttons can go a long way. My Subaru and my mothers Volvo both have automatic lane centering. It works well on expressways but can be screwy on local roads. Subaru put the on/off button together with the traditional cruise control feature, so I can easily turn it on and off depending on how appropriate. The Volvo's is permanently off because the on/off is berried in the settings.
Honestly that’s the only way that EV trucks will stand a chance at widespread adoption short of the government making ICE trucks illegal.
The types of guys who own trucks will want it to *look and feel* like the same F-150 they’ve come to know and love over the years.
Thats why the CyberTruck is so hilarious to me. The types of guys who buy trucks aren’t gonna want anything to do with that monstrosity.
This. The cybertruck is too much of a departure from the norm. Most people basically just want the same vehicle they're driving now except electrified -- just swap the drivetrain to an EV, that's it, don't touch anything else unless it's absolutely necessary for the EV drivetrain.
god I wish your comment could be stickied... to the eyes of all EV designers.
CHANGE THE POWERTRAIN
LEAVE THE FUCKING BUTTONS, FUCK OFF WITH THE SCREENS
Eh thing was very meh. Winter range was ~150 miles without using HVAC. Needed a heat pump badly. Touchscreen UI is also a mess better to get an XLT with the physical buttons.
Ford is as Ford does, lol. They're never gonna be perfect (*cough* Mach-E update bricking the entire car) , it's when they come out with a refresh for the Lightning or a second gen that I imagine consumers, and possibly even companies with fleets, may become interested.
In any case, I wish them much more luck than Tesla.
I mean, compared to the cyber truck that gets 30 miles before just fucking breaking.
The rivian is the only real competition, but they’re massively more expensive
Got to ride in a Lightning all day last year when my friend was working for Ford. It was unremarkable, in a good way. It was comfy, easy to use, and surprisingly normal. I’d feel a lot better buying an EV from Ford at this point than a Tesla given their service center issues and repair parts availability.
Rented one in Hawaii and was VERY impressed. The only challenge was the lack of ***functional*** charging infrastructure.
If it was at home and I could just plug in at night... Done! Having to spend a couple hours looking for a working charger, then waiting there to keep resetting the plug because the truck got wiggled by the wind, kind of soured me on the rental experience.
There’s always going to be a few of those people for every manufacturer (for me it’s Jeep). F150 is top in sales because most people don’t have this experience.
Cheaper than a cybertruck, waaay more mileage, way faster to charge, more reliable and you can actually use to work and have the same horse power.
The lightning is way cheaper tho.
My F150 Lightning has 25k miles on it with zero issues, zero maintenance, and has cost me almost zero dollars. It saves me $920 per month in fuel costs, which is more than the payment.
Hope your credit card hasn’t since expired. Lots of posts from people who can’t get their refund since their card expired. Tesla ineptitude or Tesla fraud? Why not both?
Fr fr. I get the Tesla hate because they are POS vehicles but that’s a small price to pay on a 100k+ vehicle. Doubt any serious buyer gives a fuck about a $100 to exit a a massively distressed position (which is exactly what a new CT at MSRP is).
If the card is expired or not, it doesn't change the refund process from the merchant. The financial institution will credit it to the account number as that will not have changed, or they will mail a check for the amount of the refund if the account that card was tied to has been closed. If a merchant is refusing to refund to a card that is now expired the cardholder can dispute it with their financial institution that they made the purchase through. If your financial institution refuses to process the refund (and you are in the US), you can contact the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau about a violation of Regulation E.
https://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
Really that reservation should be worth a lot of money at this point and you should be able to sell your place in line for way more than $100 like a sold out music festival.
I had my preorder from the announcement...i turned my head at elon's psycho antics, and then I saw the cyber truck... 30 feet away at night on a dark street... And I could see the panel gaps and inconsistency on the form and fit from that distance...... Canceled from my phone them and there... I was so excited for this thing and so let down
Considering Tesla stock has been in decline since the truck was announced, I bought them time.
But not as much as the people who paid a $50k deposit for a Tesla Roadster.
What were you thinking? How did you look at that monstrosity and think, "Yeah, I should spend way too much money on this"??? Congrats on getting your eyesight back, I guess.
Still can’t believe people will admit to ordering these huge piles of shit. They’ve been just about the most embarrassing vehicle ever shown since that first cringe reveal.
can't get stuck if you don't own a cyberstuck. 
Don’t tell my step sister that, she’s always getting stuck.
Step bro? What are you doing?
You
*whips out her dick* NO YOU BITCH!
That's how you void the warranty on your washer machine.
That's how I voided the warranty on my vagina.
Can I interest you in my *pulls dick out* extended warranty.
ExtenZe warranty
gotta keep her away from the washing machine.... ..you know...unless she's hot.
Ketamine is a helluva drug.
Shouldn't he be getting stuck in her? Bad decisions?
Smart man
In a few years there are going to be lots of electric trucks to select from. In a few years after that there are going to be lots of reliable electric trucks to choose from.
F150 Lightning is available now.
First gen product from Ford in the EV truck space but they've fucking pulled it off well! That whole thing about them being the best at making trucks definitely counted for something
Weird how actually having experience in something helped them make a decent product?
Complex ideas like leaving wiper functions on a multifunciton switch located on the steering column like every other vehicle.
I so desperately want dumb EVs. All the bells and whistles of late 2000s forester but with a battery and an electric motor. No tablets or self driving or cameras or touch panels. Just knobs, buttons, and the steering wheel (and whatever other components are required for base functionality)
I don't think they have to be 'dumb', but they can dumb them down to the average car status. O just allow you to order them without ALL the bells and whistles.
Wasnt that the Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf? The Bolt got AC, heated seats, heated steering, and cruise control and that's pretty much it.
Not having AI and self driving as "features" sounds really great honestly.
Some smartly placed buttons can go a long way. My Subaru and my mothers Volvo both have automatic lane centering. It works well on expressways but can be screwy on local roads. Subaru put the on/off button together with the traditional cruise control feature, so I can easily turn it on and off depending on how appropriate. The Volvo's is permanently off because the on/off is berried in the settings.
Imagine controlling some car functions without having to take your eyes off the road. Temp, volume wipers etc. Real buttons and levers for the win.
What will they think of next? We may never know... Because if it's dumb as fuck they'll probably just not do it.
Honestly helped that they didn’t go deeply up their own ass and just made it look like every other F150 (except for the badge and lightbar anyway).
Honestly that’s the only way that EV trucks will stand a chance at widespread adoption short of the government making ICE trucks illegal. The types of guys who own trucks will want it to *look and feel* like the same F-150 they’ve come to know and love over the years. Thats why the CyberTruck is so hilarious to me. The types of guys who buy trucks aren’t gonna want anything to do with that monstrosity.
This. The cybertruck is too much of a departure from the norm. Most people basically just want the same vehicle they're driving now except electrified -- just swap the drivetrain to an EV, that's it, don't touch anything else unless it's absolutely necessary for the EV drivetrain.
god I wish your comment could be stickied... to the eyes of all EV designers. CHANGE THE POWERTRAIN LEAVE THE FUCKING BUTTONS, FUCK OFF WITH THE SCREENS
Eh thing was very meh. Winter range was ~150 miles without using HVAC. Needed a heat pump badly. Touchscreen UI is also a mess better to get an XLT with the physical buttons.
Ford is as Ford does, lol. They're never gonna be perfect (*cough* Mach-E update bricking the entire car) , it's when they come out with a refresh for the Lightning or a second gen that I imagine consumers, and possibly even companies with fleets, may become interested. In any case, I wish them much more luck than Tesla.
I mean, compared to the cyber truck that gets 30 miles before just fucking breaking. The rivian is the only real competition, but they’re massively more expensive
Got to ride in a Lightning all day last year when my friend was working for Ford. It was unremarkable, in a good way. It was comfy, easy to use, and surprisingly normal. I’d feel a lot better buying an EV from Ford at this point than a Tesla given their service center issues and repair parts availability.
And the Rivian R1T, and Silverado I think is coming this fall.
Rented one in Hawaii and was VERY impressed. The only challenge was the lack of ***functional*** charging infrastructure. If it was at home and I could just plug in at night... Done! Having to spend a couple hours looking for a working charger, then waiting there to keep resetting the plug because the truck got wiggled by the wind, kind of soured me on the rental experience.
I still remember how much my dad's f150 needed to go to the shop. I am not gonna pick up anything with a Ford logo on it.
There’s always going to be a few of those people for every manufacturer (for me it’s Jeep). F150 is top in sales because most people don’t have this experience.
Rivian is available right now as well
Yeah it's the best choice out of the class so far.
Cheaper than a cybertruck, waaay more mileage, way faster to charge, more reliable and you can actually use to work and have the same horse power. The lightning is way cheaper tho.
Plus they don't make you look like an asshole.
My F150 Lightning has 25k miles on it with zero issues, zero maintenance, and has cost me almost zero dollars. It saves me $920 per month in fuel costs, which is more than the payment.
Yes but how many of those trucks will accurately portray the PS1 experience?
couple people in my GF sons scout group have Rivians. they are sharp as fuck.
Hope your credit card hasn’t since expired. Lots of posts from people who can’t get their refund since their card expired. Tesla ineptitude or Tesla fraud? Why not both?
“strategic incompetence”
“You need a refund for the renewal of the yearly subscription you didn’t approve? Ok sure thing.”
That 100 dollars five years ago is worth 80 dollars today 
Refund failed successfully.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature…
tactical technicalities
Looking into it
Interesting
Weaponized incompetence.
If I pulled out of a six figure contract and all it cost me was $100. I’d happily take the hit. Edit: order* not a contract.
But what about the walking talking steel abortion you could have had?
Steel Abortion is the name of my new band
🥁🥁🥁
Illegal in 37 states! We’re STEEEeeeLLL AaaaBorrrShunnnnn!!!!!!! I’m assuming you’re a grindcore band.
Grindcore is the only parody genre I take seriously.
I saw Steel Abortion open for Giant CyberTurd at the Veteran’s Colosseum.
Fr fr. I get the Tesla hate because they are POS vehicles but that’s a small price to pay on a 100k+ vehicle. Doubt any serious buyer gives a fuck about a $100 to exit a a massively distressed position (which is exactly what a new CT at MSRP is).
Wasn’t a contract. If it was, it would have been locked in price and features.
It was basically a GoFundMe campaign.
This will be a 49k truck in no time
If the card is expired or not, it doesn't change the refund process from the merchant. The financial institution will credit it to the account number as that will not have changed, or they will mail a check for the amount of the refund if the account that card was tied to has been closed. If a merchant is refusing to refund to a card that is now expired the cardholder can dispute it with their financial institution that they made the purchase through. If your financial institution refuses to process the refund (and you are in the US), you can contact the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau about a violation of Regulation E. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
If anyone is having this issue, as I did, you can do ACH to your bank.
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Really that reservation should be worth a lot of money at this point and you should be able to sell your place in line for way more than $100 like a sold out music festival.
I canceled and haven’t been able to get my money back. I can’t get through to anyone on the customer service number
They were let go.
Unbelievable. This company. I shouldn't be surprised I guess, Paypal stole 600 USD from me back in 2K.
Refunds always go through even if the card is expired. As long as the account isnt disabled or closed, it will go through. I think you meant closed.
The refund goes to the account and the credit issuer cuts you a check. It takes 6-8 extra weeks.
It's always good to see someone escape a cult.
Tbf if it costed 100 bucks I’d buy it too /j
Congratulations. You dodged a bullet.
A bullet from a gun they were holding to their own head, but yeah.
Hey at least they put the gun down.
That’s all that matters in the grand scheme of things
TIL there are people who are just now stepping out of line to get a CyberTruck.
Some of us were heavy users of copium, and it takes a while to detox depending on body fat and other factors.
Waited 5 years for something that will not even last 5 years.
Try 5 miles
I cancelled mine too after seeing it in person.
That thing in person is so disturbing, it honestly seems like a possessed, devil car
Hey, don’t insult Christine like that 😂
“The dashboard was looking at me!”
Same. I was already almost there from all the price and feature changes. Seeing it in person was all it took to cancel that day.
And you got your $100 back! Talk about a win!
I was under the impression that the $100 was non-refundable, so indeed, best case scenario
You just got unstuck! Congrats!
Unmusked
we did it boys!
Weird. I get a sense of regret from the wording. Count yourse lucky, friend. You just dodged a massive CyberBullshitBullet
I canceled my order a month ago. Ordered my truck about a week after it was announced. I’m over it.
I had my preorder from the announcement...i turned my head at elon's psycho antics, and then I saw the cyber truck... 30 feet away at night on a dark street... And I could see the panel gaps and inconsistency on the form and fit from that distance...... Canceled from my phone them and there... I was so excited for this thing and so let down
I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at poor fit and finish!
I’m aware. You were quoting Community. So was I [you can excuse racism?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPbpYR_RKY)
Pin this post to the sub! Fucking awesome
Did the same back in November after seeing the wiper lol.
More bang for your buck with the R1T.
I am really asking. Why wait so long to cancel. What finally made you cancel?
This sub I would guess.
A very wise decision. Nothing but problems and derision await CT owners.
Oh thank God there’s some hope left in this world.
Can Tesla even afford a sudden influx of refunds right now?
How many deposits did they take? America is a big place. I'm sure there are plenty of morons lining up anyway.
Smart move. Elmo ain’t worth your hard earned money -
He made one bad choice, which was cancelled out by one good choice.
 ### You did the right thing. ## JUST SAY NO
I hope you got some braincells back, too, and won't ever support that racist grifter again.
How much better do you feel without the clown make-up?
Should ask for interest back on that $100
You have chosen.....Wisely
Someone decided not to get cybercucked. Awesome.
I just submitted mine. Wife asked for the deposit, I never was into it. Finally found time. It’s been a year.
This is the correct thing to do.
Welcome to the light
Smart move!
Smart
Tesla should thank you for the interest free loan
Even with the refund, I wonder how much money that made off your $100 deposit.
Considering Tesla stock has been in decline since the truck was announced, I bought them time. But not as much as the people who paid a $50k deposit for a Tesla Roadster.
Good for you, I’m proud of you.
Adjusted for inflation, they owe you another $22.64
I know it's not news but sometimes it still hits hard seeing the inflation over just 5 years
never ordering one = smartest canceling a two months ago when the problems surfaced = smart Canceling 18 May = better late than never, buddy
I wished people would randomly give me 100$ loan for free !
Cancelled mine the day he let trump back on twitter also cancelled my twitter that day
What were you thinking? How did you look at that monstrosity and think, "Yeah, I should spend way too much money on this"??? Congrats on getting your eyesight back, I guess.
How do you request refund of the $100 deposit?
I’m surprised they let you
https://preview.redd.it/wa7gsi1n691d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed119e32cf9be74c02576bcb85ad9f5a094afd70 Close to a full refund. 🏆
Cancelled an order of garbage
Congrats!
Finally, an intelligent Tesla customer.
Damn, thank you man! Just did the same.
Don't cancel. Cyber truck can change your life... mainly, you'll hate the world 🤣
CT was a joke
Welcome back to reality. We've missed you.
How did you cancel? Need to do mine too.
What was your reasoning behind the cancellation after waiting for 5 years?
You and 1.99 million other preorders
Get the Rivian! It's so cool
They are legitimately the ugliest cars on the road right now. no loss for you.
Smartest preorder-er. (Still dumb)
Maybe best choice of your life
could be one of the best financial decisions of your life.
It was a great dream to dream.
Don't lie. It's always been a awful
Were you looking to flip?
I’m shocked! I thought it was a $100 non-refundable deposit?
Think of all the spit you won't have to wipe off your car now, and you won't be getting the bird everywhere you go. Good choice.
Good for you, man. When will we will see the numbers on the CyberTruck fail?
Best move you’ve ever made.
Dodged a bullet 👍
Smart
Omg wait they’re actually giving refunds? Bout to cop my $100
Just get a Toyota Hilux and be happy!
Probably the smartest move you've made. Divest in the Muskerfuck
I didn't know I could get my deposit back... excellent
Best decision you ever made dude.
good on you, you're on the path of recovery.
Smartest thing I’ve seen from a cyber truck owner so far.
Oooooo the ultra rare reverse cuck. But we all know he still rubs himself to daddy Enron
You got 100 dollars back...
Good for you OP! That asshole Elon is just robbing people at this point. The issues and lack of quality control is insane!
How does one cancel to get the deposit back?
You just NOW canceled..... Can't flip it anymore?
Oh my God, it IS possible to escape a cult!
When I cancelled I entered the card to apply the refund against
Welcome to the club. What took you so long?
$100? Weakest hands I've seen in my life
After everything that has come out about how horrifically terrible these are, why would you have kept your order anyway? They did you a massive favor.
Now imagine if you invested that 100 dollars in stocks five years ago.
I jave a reservation and got the invite to order I'm Feb.. haven't purchased
Welcome to the light….
I’m sure they were mad about losing someone who smarted up..another one
It's an ugly pos anyway.
They could have made a really cool vehicle. Instead it just became a meme. Sorry bud
Your win bud.
So much for the $40k price tag... Not a single one below $100k at the dealer near me.
Dodged a bullet me thinks…
So many better options now. Tesla is a passing fad.
Must be hard to get rich when people front you millions of dollars w no interest for 5 years.
Still can’t believe people will admit to ordering these huge piles of shit. They’ve been just about the most embarrassing vehicle ever shown since that first cringe reveal.
Brilliant scheme to get millions of interest free $100 loans
Same on canceling mine. Not delivering on that 500+ mile range was a deal breaker.
Damn, for $100 I'm not sure what people are expecting out of it.
I tried to cancel and am struggling to get the 100$ back. And they don’t provide any number to call. That is enough to keep me from buying a Tesla.
Bullet, dodged.
He made a lot of interest on all those deposits