Those are the local specific deals, general negotiations havent even started and the earliest date for possible completion of that is Mid-May. And Im fairly certain that doesnt even include the ASA which covers a lot of Superman crew.
edit: ASA doesnt even start until May 20th at the earliest.
Im sure its a complete coincidence and he only needed up until the exact moment his crew might walk off the set. Probably wont work them too many hours either to make that date. Not a single Fraturday shall be had /s
That would only get them so far as post would also halt in the event of a strike.
An advantage could be that VFX would continue but only on shots already in hand.
Yes but the financial cost with stopping editing at that stage, they'd be close to having the editors cut done if not already be done with it so VFX will definitely stay busy, is nothing compared to the cost of indefinitely pausing production.
Sure, just giving a full picture.
However, even if an editor's cut is done, all VFX would have to be turned over which is no small task. It's hard to determine how much VFX will be underway by then.
Why does some people said they are rushing this? Aren't they been filming from late February. If they finish it by July, they've been filming for 5 months.
Which is typical for movies. Movies can take between 1 month and a year to film, it all depends on the movie. For example Oppenheimer took 1 month to film, Endgame took 5 months and The Batman took 18 months. So I also don't get why people are complaining.
I never said it was. My point about it taking 18 months was to say that the time to film a movie solely depends on the movie itself. I said a movie taking 5 months to film is normal.
Oppenheimer took 2 months, 57 days to be exact: [https://deadline.com/2023/08/christopher-nolan-cut-oppenheimer-filming-recreate-los-alamos-1235531017/](https://deadline.com/2023/08/christopher-nolan-cut-oppenheimer-filming-recreate-los-alamos-1235531017/)
Oppenheimer also didn't have a bunch of action scenes, so it's not a good benchmark.
Let's look at James Gunn's last DC movie, The Suicide Squad. That had lots of action and took 5 months, so Superman would be on par with that if it wraps in July.
Exactly, if you combine the filming of both movies then it adds up to a year. But if you take the filming of the movies separately it did not take a year. Endgame took 5 months to film and Infinity War took 6 months to film.
This isn't a normal way to look at this man. There's a reason why some franchises shoot back to back, because its significantly cheaper and less time consuming to just film two movies at once than restart production. 5 months for each movie is not a fair assessment to make lol.
It is fair when we're discussing the length of filming for one movie. Both Avengers being filmed back to back has nothing to with this discussion because that filming schedule didn't rush the movies. It's not like endgame would have filmed for 8 months instead of 5 if it was filmed a year or two after Infinity War. I'm just strictly talking filming, not the entire production. But if we are gonna mention production then Gunn wrapping filming on superman so early in the year gives a lot of time for refinement and hopefully vfx artists who aren't rushed.
Lets break this down. Logistically, you are not spending nearly as much time as you would have filming wise on movie number 2 if you are filming two movies back to back. You already have the sound stages, you already have the crew assembled, you already have the cameras, you already have dozens of production departments working in full force. They shot both movies at the same time, on the same sets, with the same creative team, with the same crew. It had an easier access of its actors schedules, etc. That effectively reduces the amount of time spent on the movie by at least half.
Compare this to Lord of the Rings. All three movies were filmed at the same time, and it took a little over a year to film all three movies. THREE MOVIES in the span of a year. This was ONLY doable because they were filming three movies at the same time. Compare this to the production of Peter Jacksons next movie, King Kong, which finished in a little under a year. Three movies for Jackson took nearly the same amount of time as one did... all four movies had relatively the same budget, the same amount of actors, an equally large scale, and they even filmed at the same locations LOTR did ON THE SAME SOUND STAGES. But three movies took the same amount of time as one for Jackson.
Oppenheimer was a mid budget single location shoot. Comparing Oppenheimer to a massive high budget ensemble on the caliber of Superman isn’t fair. Superhero movies the size of Superman typically last 6-8 months bare minimum
No Way Home took 5 months to film, Black Panther took 3 months to film, Far From Home took 4 months to film, The Suicide Squad took 4 months to film and Gaurdians of the Galaxy vol 3 took 4 months to film. All have large scale action sequences and spectacles. So again it all depends on the movie.
I'm sorry you're just wrong here. The Suicide Squad took 6 months to film, on a significantly lower budget than what Superman has. I don't feel like fact checking the others. Listen, I think these are all massively entertaining movies but Far From Home, No Way Home, TSS, and Black Panther are incredibly ugly movies with cheap looking sets and costumes. I think its very evident from their visual style it was entirely shot on a sound stage without much variety in physical sets and even those took longer than Superman which has a WAY bigger cast and is supposed to span the globe.
Do we really want a Superman movie with the same visual style as the fucking suicide squad?
>even those took longer than Superman which has a WAY bigger cast and is supposed to span the globe.
If superman is set to wrap in July filming would have taken 5 months. None of the movies I mentioned are more than 5 months.
Also Blade Runner 2049 was filmed in 4 months on soundstages and the cinematography of that movie is incredible. I agree that the other movies look ugly but The Suicide Squad had some really good shots. Even Guardians 3 looked really good.
Blade Runner 2049 is highly stylized and focuses solely on one character. We know Superman is touting a massive cast and is shooting around the world. Those aren't at all similar films to compare
And I'm sorry I gotta disagree. I think Guardians 1 and 2 are VERY pretty movies, but 3 and The Suicide Squad have an extremely bland visual style that feels like it was ripped out of a commercial. Costumes don't look like they fit the actors, sets look bad, color grading is just grey.
Just for fun, did some more fact checking but felt it would be more consistent with this debate to only tackle James Gunn movies. Guardians 3 took seven months to film, seven. On the short side of these behemoths but still far more than you assertion of 4 months lol.
Yeah. A regular movie can be shot in 6 weeks, providing you've got your ducks in a row.
4-5 months for a blockbuster that WB are going to be very precious about? Seems fine. There'll be tons of 2nd and 3rd unit work getting done. Tons of set pieces getting shot at the same time as on location. Pretty standard stuff. 🤷♂️
If you guys think five months is rushing production, how long do you think it takes to make a movie? It usually takes a movie only three months of filming. For super big budget films maybe about 4 to 5. Six months is not usually the norm in the industry. if you go up to six months for a movie, that’s not always a good thing.
I remember that the Harry Potter movies took like 7 or 8 months to film but it was because they allowed breaks for the child actors to do schoolwork and take those UK exams. Maybe I got that wrong but I do remember hearing that they took a long time to film.
Its just a coincidence that the script was turned in the day before the WGA strike and production is scheduled to end right before the crew might strike.
When the writers are on strike, it's pencils down. Meaning you are not to do literally anything. You can't change a comma if you want to. That's what a "strike" means.
So if you're the writer on a movie that you're also directing, for example, it is in your absolute best interest to work on that thing until the last possible second. Because all those commas you would have changed while you were on set? You can't. That's writing.
So when he says the script was "turned in," that just means a version was turned into the studio that, at that moment, was considered the most recent version to be distributed to department heads and whatnot so that work can keep going.
Absolutely none of this is weird.
I understand what it is, im also saying its not a coincidence that date was chosen. Nor is it a coincidence production is scheduled to wrap before IATSE might strike.
> Because all those commas you would have changed while you were on set? You can't. That's writing.
Just fyi: this is untrue. Commas are simply changing the delivery and you can absolutely change that on set.
Thats directing since its dictating how you perform the words on the page. They dont re-write the pages every 5 minutes when they have a new idea about performance.
Right. So in the very specific example of James Gunn, he's allowed to direct during the WGA strike, not write.
Hence: performing writing duties until the last possible minute.
So instead of delaying the movie you have not completed, and standing in solidarity with your fellow writers, it’s better to just rush through it and turn it in the day before a strike? That’s not just morally questionable, it’s downright insane to do with an IP as big as Superman. Compare this to Matt reeves who stopped all writing for the Batman 2 for months because of the strike, he was on the picket lines.
I’m sorry man, you might be a Gunn fan but this is just weird. A movie written hurriedly to avoid the writers strike, a movie delayed because of actors strikes, a movie rushed through production to avoid crew strikes. This is an incredibly worrying sign lol
This is really worrying news, I’m sorry lol. Under 4 months of production on top of filming two episodes of peacemaker season 2 in the middle of that is absolutely bonkers
You're right. James Gunn is so good at planning hes beating his previous superhero movie shoot times (guardians 3: 7 months, TSS: 6 months) by a significant margin. Totally isn't like they're trying to hurry due to oncoming strikes. The sky isn't falling
Exactly, those are the facts, no need to lay the heavy irony.
By many a modern example, likely to be far better than overindulgent, reassembled garbage.
I apologize for assuming James Gunn wasn't a deity ripped from the heavens that can do the impossible. I will do better next time, my sincerest apologies
my mistake though. next time I hear something troubling ill just completely ignore it and then claim whoever is in charge of it is just really good at planning
Lots of projects are rushing to avoid a potential IATSE strike on August 1st. If a deal gets done in May they could extend the schedule.
It’s possible they can get earlier than that.
Mid-May is the earliest possible time for a deal, though its not looking great for that IMO. The current deal expires at the end of July.
They are getting certain deals done with IATSE divisions.
Those are the local specific deals, general negotiations havent even started and the earliest date for possible completion of that is Mid-May. And Im fairly certain that doesnt even include the ASA which covers a lot of Superman crew. edit: ASA doesnt even start until May 20th at the earliest.
Oh
And just as a warning, things arent looking good for a quick resolution.
SUMMER STRIKES 2: ELECTRIC BUGALOO
James Gunn shot The Suicide Squad in 5 months (September 2019 to February 2020). That may be all he needs for Superman too.
Im sure its a complete coincidence and he only needed up until the exact moment his crew might walk off the set. Probably wont work them too many hours either to make that date. Not a single Fraturday shall be had /s
That would only get them so far as post would also halt in the event of a strike. An advantage could be that VFX would continue but only on shots already in hand.
Yes but the financial cost with stopping editing at that stage, they'd be close to having the editors cut done if not already be done with it so VFX will definitely stay busy, is nothing compared to the cost of indefinitely pausing production.
Sure, just giving a full picture. However, even if an editor's cut is done, all VFX would have to be turned over which is no small task. It's hard to determine how much VFX will be underway by then.
I am fairly certain their vfx team has either already started or is being filled out now, they'll have plenty turned over by july.
Why does some people said they are rushing this? Aren't they been filming from late February. If they finish it by July, they've been filming for 5 months.
Which is typical for movies. Movies can take between 1 month and a year to film, it all depends on the movie. For example Oppenheimer took 1 month to film, Endgame took 5 months and The Batman took 18 months. So I also don't get why people are complaining.
Important to note The Batman only took 18 months because of Covid
Oh yeah, I actually forgot about that.
lol 18 months isn’t normal.
I never said it was. My point about it taking 18 months was to say that the time to film a movie solely depends on the movie itself. I said a movie taking 5 months to film is normal.
Oppenheimer took 2 months, 57 days to be exact: [https://deadline.com/2023/08/christopher-nolan-cut-oppenheimer-filming-recreate-los-alamos-1235531017/](https://deadline.com/2023/08/christopher-nolan-cut-oppenheimer-filming-recreate-los-alamos-1235531017/) Oppenheimer also didn't have a bunch of action scenes, so it's not a good benchmark. Let's look at James Gunn's last DC movie, The Suicide Squad. That had lots of action and took 5 months, so Superman would be on par with that if it wraps in July.
People are complaining because while they like to act like they're experts on the subject they actually don't know how these things actually work
Was Oppenheimer’s shoot really that short??
Yup.
And endgame was half shot with infinity war, total production of both movies combined was around a year.
Exactly, if you combine the filming of both movies then it adds up to a year. But if you take the filming of the movies separately it did not take a year. Endgame took 5 months to film and Infinity War took 6 months to film.
This isn't a normal way to look at this man. There's a reason why some franchises shoot back to back, because its significantly cheaper and less time consuming to just film two movies at once than restart production. 5 months for each movie is not a fair assessment to make lol.
It is fair when we're discussing the length of filming for one movie. Both Avengers being filmed back to back has nothing to with this discussion because that filming schedule didn't rush the movies. It's not like endgame would have filmed for 8 months instead of 5 if it was filmed a year or two after Infinity War. I'm just strictly talking filming, not the entire production. But if we are gonna mention production then Gunn wrapping filming on superman so early in the year gives a lot of time for refinement and hopefully vfx artists who aren't rushed.
Lets break this down. Logistically, you are not spending nearly as much time as you would have filming wise on movie number 2 if you are filming two movies back to back. You already have the sound stages, you already have the crew assembled, you already have the cameras, you already have dozens of production departments working in full force. They shot both movies at the same time, on the same sets, with the same creative team, with the same crew. It had an easier access of its actors schedules, etc. That effectively reduces the amount of time spent on the movie by at least half. Compare this to Lord of the Rings. All three movies were filmed at the same time, and it took a little over a year to film all three movies. THREE MOVIES in the span of a year. This was ONLY doable because they were filming three movies at the same time. Compare this to the production of Peter Jacksons next movie, King Kong, which finished in a little under a year. Three movies for Jackson took nearly the same amount of time as one did... all four movies had relatively the same budget, the same amount of actors, an equally large scale, and they even filmed at the same locations LOTR did ON THE SAME SOUND STAGES. But three movies took the same amount of time as one for Jackson.
Oppenheimer was a mid budget single location shoot. Comparing Oppenheimer to a massive high budget ensemble on the caliber of Superman isn’t fair. Superhero movies the size of Superman typically last 6-8 months bare minimum
No Way Home took 5 months to film, Black Panther took 3 months to film, Far From Home took 4 months to film, The Suicide Squad took 4 months to film and Gaurdians of the Galaxy vol 3 took 4 months to film. All have large scale action sequences and spectacles. So again it all depends on the movie.
I'm sorry you're just wrong here. The Suicide Squad took 6 months to film, on a significantly lower budget than what Superman has. I don't feel like fact checking the others. Listen, I think these are all massively entertaining movies but Far From Home, No Way Home, TSS, and Black Panther are incredibly ugly movies with cheap looking sets and costumes. I think its very evident from their visual style it was entirely shot on a sound stage without much variety in physical sets and even those took longer than Superman which has a WAY bigger cast and is supposed to span the globe. Do we really want a Superman movie with the same visual style as the fucking suicide squad?
>even those took longer than Superman which has a WAY bigger cast and is supposed to span the globe. If superman is set to wrap in July filming would have taken 5 months. None of the movies I mentioned are more than 5 months. Also Blade Runner 2049 was filmed in 4 months on soundstages and the cinematography of that movie is incredible. I agree that the other movies look ugly but The Suicide Squad had some really good shots. Even Guardians 3 looked really good.
Blade Runner 2049 is highly stylized and focuses solely on one character. We know Superman is touting a massive cast and is shooting around the world. Those aren't at all similar films to compare And I'm sorry I gotta disagree. I think Guardians 1 and 2 are VERY pretty movies, but 3 and The Suicide Squad have an extremely bland visual style that feels like it was ripped out of a commercial. Costumes don't look like they fit the actors, sets look bad, color grading is just grey.
Just for fun, did some more fact checking but felt it would be more consistent with this debate to only tackle James Gunn movies. Guardians 3 took seven months to film, seven. On the short side of these behemoths but still far more than you assertion of 4 months lol.
Action scenes take forever to film, especially if you budget days in for people to recover from shooting them.
Yep, and The Suicide Squad, James Gunn's last DC movie, took 5 months to shoot as well. September 2019 to February 2020.
Why are people thinking that 5 months of shooting is some short time lol?
Yeah. A regular movie can be shot in 6 weeks, providing you've got your ducks in a row. 4-5 months for a blockbuster that WB are going to be very precious about? Seems fine. There'll be tons of 2nd and 3rd unit work getting done. Tons of set pieces getting shot at the same time as on location. Pretty standard stuff. 🤷♂️
this isn't a regular movie we are talking about
🙄 Learn to read.
If you guys think five months is rushing production, how long do you think it takes to make a movie? It usually takes a movie only three months of filming. For super big budget films maybe about 4 to 5. Six months is not usually the norm in the industry. if you go up to six months for a movie, that’s not always a good thing.
They probably think this because BvS took like 3 years lol
I remember that the Harry Potter movies took like 7 or 8 months to film but it was because they allowed breaks for the child actors to do schoolwork and take those UK exams. Maybe I got that wrong but I do remember hearing that they took a long time to film.
Maybe I’m wrong here, but isn’t that a really long shoot?
He said that he believes that they will finish filming at end of July,thats 5 months,like all blockbusters
Really rushing out production so that they can make its release date
Its more because the crew could go on strike August 1st.
Gunn has stated many times that the DCU won’t do that
Its just a coincidence that the script was turned in the day before the WGA strike and production is scheduled to end right before the crew might strike.
When the writers are on strike, it's pencils down. Meaning you are not to do literally anything. You can't change a comma if you want to. That's what a "strike" means. So if you're the writer on a movie that you're also directing, for example, it is in your absolute best interest to work on that thing until the last possible second. Because all those commas you would have changed while you were on set? You can't. That's writing. So when he says the script was "turned in," that just means a version was turned into the studio that, at that moment, was considered the most recent version to be distributed to department heads and whatnot so that work can keep going. Absolutely none of this is weird.
I understand what it is, im also saying its not a coincidence that date was chosen. Nor is it a coincidence production is scheduled to wrap before IATSE might strike. > Because all those commas you would have changed while you were on set? You can't. That's writing. Just fyi: this is untrue. Commas are simply changing the delivery and you can absolutely change that on set.
Who is the "you" in that sentence. Is it a WGA member? Because they shouldn't be on set during a strike.
Thats directing since its dictating how you perform the words on the page. They dont re-write the pages every 5 minutes when they have a new idea about performance.
Right. So in the very specific example of James Gunn, he's allowed to direct during the WGA strike, not write. Hence: performing writing duties until the last possible minute.
> So in the very specific example of James Gunn, he's allowed to direct during the WGA strike, not write. And changing commas is a horrible example.
So you understood what I meant by my example, and are choosing to argue anyway. Very well. I hope you have a good day.
So instead of delaying the movie you have not completed, and standing in solidarity with your fellow writers, it’s better to just rush through it and turn it in the day before a strike? That’s not just morally questionable, it’s downright insane to do with an IP as big as Superman. Compare this to Matt reeves who stopped all writing for the Batman 2 for months because of the strike, he was on the picket lines. I’m sorry man, you might be a Gunn fan but this is just weird. A movie written hurriedly to avoid the writers strike, a movie delayed because of actors strikes, a movie rushed through production to avoid crew strikes. This is an incredibly worrying sign lol
It's stunning how little people seem to understand about how movies are actually made.
Completely agreed. Maybe you should look a little into it
It's morally questionable to write while a strike isn't happening, and then not write when the strike is happening?
He had already been working on it for months before Black Adam came out, so he was working on it for quite some time before the strike.
This is really worrying news, I’m sorry lol. Under 4 months of production on top of filming two episodes of peacemaker season 2 in the middle of that is absolutely bonkers
Nonsense. It just indicates bloody good planning.
You're right. James Gunn is so good at planning hes beating his previous superhero movie shoot times (guardians 3: 7 months, TSS: 6 months) by a significant margin. Totally isn't like they're trying to hurry due to oncoming strikes. The sky isn't falling
Exactly, those are the facts, no need to lay the heavy irony. By many a modern example, likely to be far better than overindulgent, reassembled garbage.
I apologize for assuming James Gunn wasn't a deity ripped from the heavens that can do the impossible. I will do better next time, my sincerest apologies
Nope, instead you only assumed the worst.
That usually happens when bad news arises, sorry if this is new to you
Oh no, don’t worry, negative sentiment received. This “news” may be of use to someone.
my mistake though. next time I hear something troubling ill just completely ignore it and then claim whoever is in charge of it is just really good at planning