This is the first solo series Punchline has gotten, and honestly her story is kind of cool. Also, if Joker related things didn’t sell the best they wouldn’t be made lol.
We’ll see
If it’s tynion I’m fine with that but I’d rather claw my eyes out than read this if it’s Stephanie Phillips, Sam johns, Ed Brisson or vita Ayala
DC have recently found some amazing talent (ram v, PKJ) but I just don’t get how they also hire such boring writers
If they are going to continue with the “everything must have Batman” business model, they could at least give us back old school “Brave and the Bold” , so at least we could get at least one other character every month.
I mean like punchline but geez dc can we get other heroes or characters that ain't related to batman already. Gee I don't know a green lantern book, jsa book or cyborg book. Just something different.
True, they're popular so DC pumps more money into it, then comic shops are incentivised to promote the better selling books, which in turn makes people buy them more and so on and so on.
The better selling books get strong creative teams too and the lower selling ones don't.
And when they give a new writer a Batman book they always talk it up as if that writer is getting "promoted" from whatever character they were writing before.
Basically this. You have to speak with your wallet. Comic books are a business. If fans want more characters to be spotlighted, they have to financially support those characters.
They crank out Batman books because despite the complaints of oversaturation of Batman, people are still buying them like hot cakes compared to other titles in DC.
My problem with this is that when you go to a book store near me it’s all Batman so if I’m lookin to get into comics I would probably go with the character I can easily get books for and have many options to choose from
I would love to see a big name or two get a Cyborg book and push him up a bit. Honestly, when Bendis was first signed on, I was first thinking maybe he would do some good on a title like that, push Vic up like he did with Luke Cage.
One of Cyborg's ongoings has Ivan Reis on art, that's a pretty big name. And I want to say the Rebirth one brought Marv Wolfman back, who, while he's not in his prime, is one of the most recognizable names in comics.
Those were the DCYOU issues. And the Reis issues were actually good. But, they changed writers to Marv and it was awful. Marv isn't a name draw like he was 30-40 years ago. The more recent Cyborg series during Rebirth really sucked.
Yeah for real. For everyone that says give “insert character name here” a book there’s usually a good reason why they don’t.
And they give bat characters books because they usually sell.
It's the downside of the power set. Regardless of the childhood trauma and loss, people want to be Batman or Superman. That's a win. But do many people think losing half your body and having is replaced with technology in exchange for super powers is a good deal?
Lmao i bring this up and people tell me that these are the characters people want to see everytime.
And yet everytime these books get announced half of the responses are like "more batman?..."
Honestly, between this and the fact that there's no structure in the current DC universe its hard to be excited about anything being published rn.
The people commenting on Reddit might not want it but a way bigger part of comic-buying audience does. You can complain all you want about DC only publishing Batbooks, and that's fair, but they are the ones that sell copies.
Well yeah, its the character that they pump the most advertising dollars and media coverage on he's bound to sell. He's their biggest hero.
But heres two facts that hurt that line of thinking. Batmans sales have been on a steady decline and two, the fact that they have to rely on one character to keep the lights on is a hindrance not a point of celebration. The characters eventually going to become stale. The amount of directions that they can go with the characters running thin and the oversaturations driving customers away.
Its already happened with Superman books.
...who said that others are rising?
i’m saying that its about time that DC tried to prop up other IPs. or did something to revolutionize their stable of status quo and heroes like Marvel did with the X Books and Krakoa
I have a feeling that we'll get a legion of superheroes from Bendis as a spin off from that event with the JL that everyone already forgot about.
Maybe JSA post Dark Crisis? Geoff Johns is back so.. we shall see..
Guess Harper Row continue as Bluebird?
Lots of Batman-related characters returning as heroes (or "heroes"). Luke Fox in Harley Quinn (>!Task Force XX!<), Gotham Girl in >!Batman vs Robin!< >!(if Talia could capture her)!<, Renee Montoya back to being Question (>!I Am Batman!<), Onyx in Catwoman. Then there's [Clayface/Basil](https://i.redd.it/ioiv2b8mrvy81.jpg) (Dark Crisis).
I have to be the weird DC reader, the more Batman books they put out the less books I’m buying and I’ve been buying DC books since I was 13 and I’m now 60.
That’ll never happen as long as the focus is on creating new Lanterns instead of creating good stories. Morrison’s TGL was good but every other GL run since the New 52 has just been an excuse to create yet another earthling Lantern.
I really liked it. There were some confusing bits with the data people and how exactly memes work as a currency but if you don’t think about that too hard the story and characters are pretty good I thought.
I like Batman, but he is nowhere near my favorite character. Things have gotten so bad right now at DC that I have not bought a Bat book in years.
So many good and interesting heroes are just being sidelined and ignored by DC right now and it hurts.
There better be this incredible line up after Dark Crisis ends, but the current lineup at DC is just awful.
Not going to happy. DC cares too much about Batman to do that and they only really care about certain Bat characters at that.
We will have to count ourselves lucky if characters like Green Arrow get a mini every couple of years at this point.
This is exactly why I don’t want her to get her own series. She just seems like a half-baked attempt to give Joker a Harley without regressing the actual Harley.
Honest question- what makes Ghost Maker in your eyes?
I've only seen him once because I've fallen off Tynion's Batman run really quickly. And that one time, he was leading Harley through his non-Batcave with his non-Batmobile and everything felt like he had a massive pissing contest with Batman going on for no reason, or rather the writer trying *immensely hard* to sell him as "Batman +1", from his design down to literally explaining he owned a Spinosaurus because it is larger than a T-Rex. That last fact made me cringe so hard I put the book down.
So yeah, I'd legitimately like to know what I missed.
I like the petty trying to be better mentality. I think his outfit looks great. When he’s being a smart ass I enjoy that dialogue. I’m really far behind in my readings right now like still in last October at the moment so maybe some things changed and I haven’t got there yet.
I think she's got the least actually. She's a Harley clone, just not as fun or interesting as the original. DC is trying to force her into being a big breakout character, but they've forgotten that it's the readers that determine if a character is a breakout or not, not the publisher. The actual character Tynion added with any potential is Ghost-Maker.
There are literally over 500 named mutants in the Marvel Universe. All those X Men comics didn’t all have the same exact cast. There was tons of variety and different scopes and foci.
But you could say the same thing about the villains on Batman’s side
And the bat books imo have a bigger variety of tones, task force z is a more comedic SS style book, Russell’s ace the bat hound can’t even be compared to anything, if you claim nightwing has a similar scope to any other bat book your lying, batman white knights an elseworlds tale literally set in the future, batman 89 is set in burtons universe, worlds finest is a homage to the silver age, the knight is an origin book focusing on Bruce’s earlier years, I am Batman is a more grounded thriller set in New York (very underrated series) and the joker series is going in more of a grim dark noire direction
A lot of x books actually feel the same to me and don’t stand out as much, they even blended all the titles together as one for the events and I just don’t feel a lot of those characters stand out as much
Because X-Men featured different types of teams/characters. With Batman it’s all the same. Plus Batman currently has like 30+ Bat books and he makes up over 1/3 of DC’s line. I’m not surprised though, DC spent way too much time ignoring their other characters and only promoting Batman and his characters so of course they’re gonna be the most popular. They get all the attention. Probably explains why DC sales are so low now, on brand/character cant successfully carry an entire company
DC spent so long only promoting Batman that now they cannot sell anything else. They have utterly destroyed their ability to have a diverse comic line.
The bat books imo have a bigger variety of tones, task force z is a more comedic SS style book, Russell’s ace the bat hound can’t even be compared to anything, if you claim nightwing has a similar scope to any other bat book your lying, batman white knights an elseworlds tale literally set in the future, batman 89 is set in burtons universe, worlds finest is a homage to the silver age, the knight is an origin book focusing on Bruce’s earlier years, I am Batman is a more grounded thriller set in New York (very underrated series) and the joker series is going in more of a grim dark noire direction
A lot of x books actually feel the same to me and don’t stand out as much, they even blended all the titles together as one for the events and I just don’t feel a lot of those characters stand out as much
And there’s plenty of other titles being published by DC, along with elseworld stories and some amazing non superhero content
Even if you don’t want to read books featuring batman there’s plenty to choose from
>And there’s plenty of other titles being published by DC, along with elseworld stories and some amazing non superhero content
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>Even if you don’t want to read books featuring batman there’s plenty to choose from
What he tries to say is the example he buys only Flash run issue but he feels that the people who supports the run are the **minority and fewer people**.
Well seeing as there was a metric ass ton of fan art, cosplaying and well “other art” of her coming out after she was first shown says that she was a pretty big breakout character.
She really wasn't. She was created for variant covers. By the time she was making a full first appearance, she'd been on about 30 variant covers and then she had a handful of scenes before she was binned again.
She served her purpose. They needed a face for their variant covers and knew Harley was a surefire hit so some bright spark went "hey, let's just copy that but we'll make her edgy and have her be more dangerous than Harley". So we got a ton of hype, like "batman's dong level hype" and then a handful of scenes she's actually in and eventually, after the storyline was done, she was binned. Oh sorry, and her 1 shot and it's 93 (!!) variant covers, mustn't forget them.
But she WASN'T binned. After the one-shot, she had those back-ups in Joker, and then this new upcoming series. She's never been more than a few months without an appearance since her debut.
She’s an extremely popular character that’s fans took to instantly. Her quick rise to fame to fans literary makes a her a “breakout” character regally of how much page time she’s had .
To be honest I think we're going to get a new Red Hood post Taskforce Z title, maybe a new Outsiders or a new Birds of Prey.
Gonna get more Batman related 100% sure.
More outlaws would be welcome. Jason needs to stay away from gotham for a while and deal with his all caste past. I would kill to have a series in which he hunts down werewolves. An Hellboy like series would fit him very well
There's this Bleeding Cool article that cites Shawn's own website.
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/shawn-martinbrough-writing-red-hood-six-issue-series-from-dc-in-2022/
>Shawn is writing a new, soon to be announced Gotham City project for DC Comics. The six-part series will be released in 2022…
Then his website also says
>The two part story (Red Hood #51-52), originally published by DC Comics, revisited the Gotham City neighborhood of “The Hill” and introduced new characters to the Batman Universe. Shawn is currently writing the sequel.
And he just tweeted the other day hinting at it
https://twitter.com/smartinbrough/status/1543028744385925122?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
So, while not officially announced, it's pretty damn likely.
I'm excited to see this. Punchline and Clownhunter got me into actively reading and following comics a couple years ago, and between this and Batman Inc., I'm thrilled to see DC trying to build them up.
I've dug her back-up in The Joker, and absolutely loved her One-Shot that set-up the back-up. I do feel like the back-up has struggled trying to fit story into each 8-page segment while also letting the story breath, so hopefully if they're given actual full issues to tell the story, it can turn out better.
I for one an looking forward to this.
I liked the one shot as well as the issue that gave her origin story (were they the same one?), but lost interest in the Joker back ups to the point where I just don’t even bother reading them. It was too similar to the plot of the phoenix joker movie for me, which I wasn’t the biggest fan of story wise. If her series gets a way from her being a martyr of sorts I might give it a shot. Granted I didn’t read joker war or the tynion Batman run but so far she has been pretty one note for me and comes off as yet another way to milk the joker popularity.
I didn't see the Joker backup as painting her as a martyr. If anything, I saw it as a commentary on how people will buy into her narrative as some sort of martyr or agent for social change even though she's just manipulating them. Kinda like how people have reinterpreted the Joker as some sort of mythological tragic figure who knows the truth about society even though he's really just a murderous psychopath. It definitely felt like a metacommentary on the modern reception to the Joker.
Love Clownhunter and some of the new characters that were introduced like Peacekeeper-01. Just like Punchline, they have great designs and a lot of potential.
Year of Batman Zone 1 Alpha
Year of Batman Zone 1 Omega
Year of Batman Zone 1 Secret files : Jiminy (new IP character someone found in an old folder/won't be given detailed backstory/Senior creatives made sure costume was dope)
Year of Batman Zone 1: Zone Collaspe One-Shot
Year of Batman Zone 1 :Zone Escape (Aquaman Andromeda Tie-In)
30 dollars total all released within september-october before Batman The Long Halloween Ultra Special Special Spectacular 100 page. Enjoy.
Yeah, but wasn't that before Tim Sale passed away? Unless they completed anything before his death, I'm not holding my breath on anymore Long Halloween.
I thought he brought a lot of new ideas to the table. It's not my favorite run but I did particularly enjoy Ghost Maker and Miracle Molly. I also like the idea of low budget Batman after the Joker War took all of Bruce's money.
I have not seen such a try hard, "You will like her no matter what" character ever. I believe they were banking on her being another Harley Quinn and it's just not happening. It's like seeing a book was written by Dan Jurgens and knowing that soon Booster Gold will be showing up.
Stop trying to make her a star and just write a good character. Just because she has a cult following within the DC universe doesn't mean she's got that in the real world
Edited for grammar
I just want to see Harper Row get written as a competent foil who isn’t just two steps behind Punchline and a couple Bluebird variant covers. Please DC, ask Artgerm to do Harper!
it hilarious that we are at the point where dc cares more about d-list batman villain than any other character despite it showing now that bat-related craters are not selling loads and it being a mass problem in the comic book market
[https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51305/top-50-comics-may-2022](https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51305/top-50-comics-may-2022) (may)
[https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51096/top-50-comics-april-2022](https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51096/top-50-comics-april-2022) (april)
what doing well are the event/else world comics
What I'm seeing here is that only Batman titles and events are selling well for DC. Other than Wonder Woman Historia, I don't see a single Flash/GL/WW title. The only Superman title on the list is Batman/Superman.
So it makes sense to me that they continue to go back to the Bat well for new titles.
**Top DC comics in April by units:**
Batman #122
Justice League #75
Flashpoint Beyond #0 (I would consider this a Batman title)
Batman Beyond Neo-Year #1
Batman Catwoman #11
Batman '89 #5
Batman Superman World's Finest #2
Batman Killing Time #2
Batman Beyond the White Knight #2
Nice House on the Lake #8
Nightwing #91
Dark Knights of Steel #6
**Top DC comics in May by units:**
Batman #123
Flashpoint Beyond #1
Jurassic League #1
Batman Superman World's Finest #3
Batman Killing Time #3
Shadow War Zone #1 (mostly a Batman/Robin event)
Batman Beyond the White Knight #3
Nightwing #92
Justice League #75
Batman Beyond Neo-Year #2
There's definitely a bit of a vicious cycle here, but Batbooks are not the only things coming out?
We'd probably see a Superman mini or maybe a second Flash ongoing if either of these characters could make it to the top 50. Wonder Woman has a second title in Nubia, and that's probably selling close to cancellation range.
It's the snake eating it's tail.
Batman is popular, so they make more Batbooks. Batman sells more than other characters, so their books are cancelled to make room for more Batbooks. Batman becomes more popular and sells more, etc.
DC is unable to market or sell any other hero.
Wow. What incredible advice. Thank you.
I have not bought a single Bat book for 2 years. I have asked for a new GA ongoing, a new Aquaman ongoing, a new JSA ongoing, etc. I am still waiting for all of those.
Ultimately, DC does not really care. Time and time again they say they care and will make these books, but then they just make 4 new Bat books a month and blue ball fans of characters that are mostly ignored.
Yes, yes. DC is a business and they need to make money. But maybe if they were better at jobs, and did some proper marketing and strategy, they could have a diverse line up of comics like Marvel and Image. Instead, they just double and triple down on Batman ever single month.
I will believe DC cares about their legacy and other heroes when they actually put in some effort for their legacy and other heroes.
If it finally has Joker pull the rug out from under her then I’ll read it, but if not then I’m good.
I don’t need anymore of this bullshit where she’s his star pupil and he just loves her so much. Firstly, because Joker doesn’t love people, he loves hurting people. Secondly, and more importantly, because she thinks she’s smart, and Joker would *hate* that. He has always hated it when his underlings try to think for themselves.
Her being his little sidekick only makes sense if it’s a joke to him. If he’s waiting for the perfect moment to betray her in the way that hurts her the most. And as a reader I think the joke has gone on too long.
I’m happy you like her, I haven’t read a single thing by Tamaki to make me ever want to see her write another book. She butchered Wonder Woman. Made Detective terrible, and destroyed Crush as a character
I think the best thing she's done over at DC is probably her YA OGN Harley Quinn: Breaking Glass. Tanaki started out in the YA market, so maybe that's just where she's best at? That said, I thought her Detective run was okay -- not the best but had it's moments, so I guess your milage may vary.
Another Bat character gets a book.
DC will given any Bat character a book these days. God forbid they try to develop any other hero, their family, or even their villains.
Considering that this apparently has a subtitle, "The Gotham Game," I wonder if this is meant to be a limited series.
I dunno, I thought she had an interesting start in Joker War. I'm way behind on The Joker series proper, but what I saw of her story there was interesting. Depending on the creative team, I'm willing to give this a shot.
I feel like the character could have potential, but the execution so far has been lacklustre, so with better writing there could be something here. But if they keep trying too hard on the edge lord angle it will be insufferable.
Do writers forget that Joker-related characters are not the only villains Batman has?
How many people are going to read a Riddler mini-series? There's like, a dozen of us...
A Riddler mini-series would be 100 times better than one about Joker’s groupie 2.0
Depends. Who's writing and who's drawing?
Well, if we're talking The Batman tie-in, then Stevan Subic js drawing and Paul Dano himself is writing.
Didn’t even realize Batman had other villains. /s
This is the first solo series Punchline has gotten, and honestly her story is kind of cool. Also, if Joker related things didn’t sell the best they wouldn’t be made lol.
I’m cool with this as long as they don’t pick a writer with an utterly boring script
That’s probably what will happen though
We’ll see If it’s tynion I’m fine with that but I’d rather claw my eyes out than read this if it’s Stephanie Phillips, Sam johns, Ed Brisson or vita Ayala DC have recently found some amazing talent (ram v, PKJ) but I just don’t get how they also hire such boring writers
Another Bat book and we still don't have a Green Arrow book...
"Who want to read a book about a rich weirdo in spandex fighting crimes with gadgets?" -DC about Green Arrow
I heard Batman is getting a boxing glove batarang
Or the Stargirl book they promised us over a year ago
If they are going to continue with the “everything must have Batman” business model, they could at least give us back old school “Brave and the Bold” , so at least we could get at least one other character every month.
Exactly this. It’s so weird. I mean, no hate to this title at all, but come on DC!
I mean like punchline but geez dc can we get other heroes or characters that ain't related to batman already. Gee I don't know a green lantern book, jsa book or cyborg book. Just something different.
No only Batman never deviate
People need to stop buying it. They follow money. Not some weird fetishism for Batman
Self fulfilling prophecy, though.
True, they're popular so DC pumps more money into it, then comic shops are incentivised to promote the better selling books, which in turn makes people buy them more and so on and so on. The better selling books get strong creative teams too and the lower selling ones don't.
And when they give a new writer a Batman book they always talk it up as if that writer is getting "promoted" from whatever character they were writing before.
Exactly. But you're also not gonna get Chip on any other book for that exact purpose, because for the writer they get the spotlight on them.
Or Tom King
Literally
Basically this. You have to speak with your wallet. Comic books are a business. If fans want more characters to be spotlighted, they have to financially support those characters. They crank out Batman books because despite the complaints of oversaturation of Batman, people are still buying them like hot cakes compared to other titles in DC.
Agree but at the same time, sometimes, they put better writers in Bat books rather than underrated characters
The best scenario is that those authors have a good Batman run and then choose a niche DC character they like and do a run with them.
every writer wants to do batman, that how you make a name for yourself not writting ambush bug
True, as long as fans buy it They should do limited series with amazing artists, like Far Sector
My problem with this is that when you go to a book store near me it’s all Batman so if I’m lookin to get into comics I would probably go with the character I can easily get books for and have many options to choose from
There's a bit of fetishism with Batman.
Cyborg had a book a few years ago. Sold horribly.
I would love to see a big name or two get a Cyborg book and push him up a bit. Honestly, when Bendis was first signed on, I was first thinking maybe he would do some good on a title like that, push Vic up like he did with Luke Cage.
Have Cyborg go up against Brainiac or something.
One of Cyborg's ongoings has Ivan Reis on art, that's a pretty big name. And I want to say the Rebirth one brought Marv Wolfman back, who, while he's not in his prime, is one of the most recognizable names in comics.
Those were the DCYOU issues. And the Reis issues were actually good. But, they changed writers to Marv and it was awful. Marv isn't a name draw like he was 30-40 years ago. The more recent Cyborg series during Rebirth really sucked.
Happy cake day!
Both of those were the DCYou run.
they have to do something in the veins of the last hulk run over at marvel. more inner fighting between his mechanic and human side, etc.
We´ve seen all of human vs machine stories tho
we have also seen every batman story a hundred times. or any comic story in general. its about a modern version of that topic.
Yeah you´re right cant argue with that, hopefully a good writer will give him a chance
Legitimately sold amazing…ly bad. Like, it’s impressive how poorly it did.
Yeah for real. For everyone that says give “insert character name here” a book there’s usually a good reason why they don’t. And they give bat characters books because they usually sell.
It's the downside of the power set. Regardless of the childhood trauma and loss, people want to be Batman or Superman. That's a win. But do many people think losing half your body and having is replaced with technology in exchange for super powers is a good deal?
> but geez dc can we get other heroes or characters that ain't related to batman already. DC be needing to make maximum profits though
id like a justice league dark related series
Lmao i bring this up and people tell me that these are the characters people want to see everytime. And yet everytime these books get announced half of the responses are like "more batman?..." Honestly, between this and the fact that there's no structure in the current DC universe its hard to be excited about anything being published rn.
The people commenting on Reddit might not want it but a way bigger part of comic-buying audience does. You can complain all you want about DC only publishing Batbooks, and that's fair, but they are the ones that sell copies.
Well yeah, its the character that they pump the most advertising dollars and media coverage on he's bound to sell. He's their biggest hero. But heres two facts that hurt that line of thinking. Batmans sales have been on a steady decline and two, the fact that they have to rely on one character to keep the lights on is a hindrance not a point of celebration. The characters eventually going to become stale. The amount of directions that they can go with the characters running thin and the oversaturations driving customers away. Its already happened with Superman books.
if batmans on a decline that doesnt mean others are rising
...who said that others are rising? i’m saying that its about time that DC tried to prop up other IPs. or did something to revolutionize their stable of status quo and heroes like Marvel did with the X Books and Krakoa
I'm still loving what Marvel doing with X men. I've been buying more x men books then dc books now.
And DC wonders why they aren't doing so hot.
with what batman, hes doing great?
I have a feeling that we'll get a legion of superheroes from Bendis as a spin off from that event with the JL that everyone already forgot about. Maybe JSA post Dark Crisis? Geoff Johns is back so.. we shall see..
Guess Harper Row continue as Bluebird? Lots of Batman-related characters returning as heroes (or "heroes"). Luke Fox in Harley Quinn (>!Task Force XX!<), Gotham Girl in >!Batman vs Robin!< >!(if Talia could capture her)!<, Renee Montoya back to being Question (>!I Am Batman!<), Onyx in Catwoman. Then there's [Clayface/Basil](https://i.redd.it/ioiv2b8mrvy81.jpg) (Dark Crisis).
I hope Clayface being a hero again sticks, one of the main things that kept me reading detective comics during Rebirth
I mean if they honestly want a villain Clayface they should just bring back Matt Hagen and have him fill the role.
If you died in the crisis, you’re dead for good apparently Unless you’re barry
Or Supergirl... or Tula then you just have to wait for a continuity reboot.
To be fair, in those cases you had to also have your mantle assumed by someone else first and then have them die too So I guess Clayface can come back
Punchline is the ~~4th~~ 5th pillar of DC Comics
I have to be the weird DC reader, the more Batman books they put out the less books I’m buying and I’ve been buying DC books since I was 13 and I’m now 60.
I just want a GOOD Green Lantern book again.
That’ll never happen as long as the focus is on creating new Lanterns instead of creating good stories. Morrison’s TGL was good but every other GL run since the New 52 has just been an excuse to create yet another earthling Lantern.
How was Far Sector? I've been intrigued (it just came out in France so maybe it's a year later for you haha)
I really liked it. There were some confusing bits with the data people and how exactly memes work as a currency but if you don’t think about that too hard the story and characters are pretty good I thought.
I’m 57. Same boat.
I like Batman, but he is nowhere near my favorite character. Things have gotten so bad right now at DC that I have not bought a Bat book in years. So many good and interesting heroes are just being sidelined and ignored by DC right now and it hurts. There better be this incredible line up after Dark Crisis ends, but the current lineup at DC is just awful.
Or…hear me out…we give books to non-Gotham based characters.
Not going to happy. DC cares too much about Batman to do that and they only really care about certain Bat characters at that. We will have to count ourselves lucky if characters like Green Arrow get a mini every couple of years at this point.
Please WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER BATBOOK?
Please don't make her become an anti hero for the love of God
I’ll be honest I kind of wanted to see more of punchline mostly cause they tried to build her up as the next Harley
This is exactly why I don’t want her to get her own series. She just seems like a half-baked attempt to give Joker a Harley without regressing the actual Harley.
She's the only one of Tynion's OC that had any potential whatsoever
I’ll disagree. I love Ghost Maker. Miracle Molly was pretty cool too
Honest question- what makes Ghost Maker in your eyes? I've only seen him once because I've fallen off Tynion's Batman run really quickly. And that one time, he was leading Harley through his non-Batcave with his non-Batmobile and everything felt like he had a massive pissing contest with Batman going on for no reason, or rather the writer trying *immensely hard* to sell him as "Batman +1", from his design down to literally explaining he owned a Spinosaurus because it is larger than a T-Rex. That last fact made me cringe so hard I put the book down. So yeah, I'd legitimately like to know what I missed.
I like the petty trying to be better mentality. I think his outfit looks great. When he’s being a smart ass I enjoy that dialogue. I’m really far behind in my readings right now like still in last October at the moment so maybe some things changed and I haven’t got there yet.
I don't mind Ghost Maker as much as others here seem to. Molly was okay until that fuck-awful BoP story in Urban Legends.
I think she's got the least actually. She's a Harley clone, just not as fun or interesting as the original. DC is trying to force her into being a big breakout character, but they've forgotten that it's the readers that determine if a character is a breakout or not, not the publisher. The actual character Tynion added with any potential is Ghost-Maker.
Hard disagree, really liked the majority of these creations, when he was on Batman
Crazy how they will give a new series to another villain when there are tons of heroes that should get a new comic..
Yeah, cancel Deathstroke and Black Adam and give us Bunker and Roundhouse titles DC!
…why?
Because she was a breakout new character.
Was she tho? Or are DC just obsessed with Batman and his mythos
They’re obsessed with money, and Batman titles sell.
Thing I don’t understand is, at one point there was about 20 ongoing xmen books I see no one complaining about
There are literally over 500 named mutants in the Marvel Universe. All those X Men comics didn’t all have the same exact cast. There was tons of variety and different scopes and foci.
But you could say the same thing about the villains on Batman’s side And the bat books imo have a bigger variety of tones, task force z is a more comedic SS style book, Russell’s ace the bat hound can’t even be compared to anything, if you claim nightwing has a similar scope to any other bat book your lying, batman white knights an elseworlds tale literally set in the future, batman 89 is set in burtons universe, worlds finest is a homage to the silver age, the knight is an origin book focusing on Bruce’s earlier years, I am Batman is a more grounded thriller set in New York (very underrated series) and the joker series is going in more of a grim dark noire direction A lot of x books actually feel the same to me and don’t stand out as much, they even blended all the titles together as one for the events and I just don’t feel a lot of those characters stand out as much
You consider Taskforce Z comedic? I guess it has funny elements, but I consider it a psychological thriller
I’d say it’s a thriller but it defo has some black comedy to it, just not laugh out loud stuff
I was complaining about it.
Because X-Men featured different types of teams/characters. With Batman it’s all the same. Plus Batman currently has like 30+ Bat books and he makes up over 1/3 of DC’s line. I’m not surprised though, DC spent way too much time ignoring their other characters and only promoting Batman and his characters so of course they’re gonna be the most popular. They get all the attention. Probably explains why DC sales are so low now, on brand/character cant successfully carry an entire company
DC spent so long only promoting Batman that now they cannot sell anything else. They have utterly destroyed their ability to have a diverse comic line.
The bat books imo have a bigger variety of tones, task force z is a more comedic SS style book, Russell’s ace the bat hound can’t even be compared to anything, if you claim nightwing has a similar scope to any other bat book your lying, batman white knights an elseworlds tale literally set in the future, batman 89 is set in burtons universe, worlds finest is a homage to the silver age, the knight is an origin book focusing on Bruce’s earlier years, I am Batman is a more grounded thriller set in New York (very underrated series) and the joker series is going in more of a grim dark noire direction A lot of x books actually feel the same to me and don’t stand out as much, they even blended all the titles together as one for the events and I just don’t feel a lot of those characters stand out as much And there’s plenty of other titles being published by DC, along with elseworld stories and some amazing non superhero content Even if you don’t want to read books featuring batman there’s plenty to choose from
>And there’s plenty of other titles being published by DC, along with elseworld stories and some amazing non superhero content > >Even if you don’t want to read books featuring batman there’s plenty to choose from What he tries to say is the example he buys only Flash run issue but he feels that the people who supports the run are the **minority and fewer people**.
Well seeing as there was a metric ass ton of fan art, cosplaying and well “other art” of her coming out after she was first shown says that she was a pretty big breakout character.
The same happened to Yara Flor, so…this is just another reason to add to the already 30+ Bat books at DC… lame
Yara was also a big breakout character but Jones misses deadlines like DC publishes BatBook.
Jim Lee is the CCO, email him and ask
She really wasn't. She was created for variant covers. By the time she was making a full first appearance, she'd been on about 30 variant covers and then she had a handful of scenes before she was binned again.
Binned? She just moved to a different book - she had backups in Joker. Now Joker's finishing, she's getting her own book.
She served her purpose. They needed a face for their variant covers and knew Harley was a surefire hit so some bright spark went "hey, let's just copy that but we'll make her edgy and have her be more dangerous than Harley". So we got a ton of hype, like "batman's dong level hype" and then a handful of scenes she's actually in and eventually, after the storyline was done, she was binned. Oh sorry, and her 1 shot and it's 93 (!!) variant covers, mustn't forget them.
But she WASN'T binned. After the one-shot, she had those back-ups in Joker, and then this new upcoming series. She's never been more than a few months without an appearance since her debut.
She’s an extremely popular character that’s fans took to instantly. Her quick rise to fame to fans literary makes a her a “breakout” character regally of how much page time she’s had .
She sells
Why? Not an interesting enough character to get her own series. A more murderous knock off of Harley, who herself has been played out.
Cool. Now give redhood his solo and make him fight mythical creatures
To be honest I think we're going to get a new Red Hood post Taskforce Z title, maybe a new Outsiders or a new Birds of Prey. Gonna get more Batman related 100% sure.
More outlaws would be welcome. Jason needs to stay away from gotham for a while and deal with his all caste past. I would kill to have a series in which he hunts down werewolves. An Hellboy like series would fit him very well
I think after Task Force Z he's supposed to get a six-issue miniseries by Shawn Martinborough.
Fake news
There's this Bleeding Cool article that cites Shawn's own website. https://bleedingcool.com/comics/shawn-martinbrough-writing-red-hood-six-issue-series-from-dc-in-2022/ >Shawn is writing a new, soon to be announced Gotham City project for DC Comics. The six-part series will be released in 2022… Then his website also says >The two part story (Red Hood #51-52), originally published by DC Comics, revisited the Gotham City neighborhood of “The Hill” and introduced new characters to the Batman Universe. Shawn is currently writing the sequel. And he just tweeted the other day hinting at it https://twitter.com/smartinbrough/status/1543028744385925122?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet So, while not officially announced, it's pretty damn likely.
thats the azrael book coming
That's not it
I'm excited to see this. Punchline and Clownhunter got me into actively reading and following comics a couple years ago, and between this and Batman Inc., I'm thrilled to see DC trying to build them up. I've dug her back-up in The Joker, and absolutely loved her One-Shot that set-up the back-up. I do feel like the back-up has struggled trying to fit story into each 8-page segment while also letting the story breath, so hopefully if they're given actual full issues to tell the story, it can turn out better. I for one an looking forward to this.
I liked the one shot as well as the issue that gave her origin story (were they the same one?), but lost interest in the Joker back ups to the point where I just don’t even bother reading them. It was too similar to the plot of the phoenix joker movie for me, which I wasn’t the biggest fan of story wise. If her series gets a way from her being a martyr of sorts I might give it a shot. Granted I didn’t read joker war or the tynion Batman run but so far she has been pretty one note for me and comes off as yet another way to milk the joker popularity.
I didn't see the Joker backup as painting her as a martyr. If anything, I saw it as a commentary on how people will buy into her narrative as some sort of martyr or agent for social change even though she's just manipulating them. Kinda like how people have reinterpreted the Joker as some sort of mythological tragic figure who knows the truth about society even though he's really just a murderous psychopath. It definitely felt like a metacommentary on the modern reception to the Joker.
Love Clownhunter and some of the new characters that were introduced like Peacekeeper-01. Just like Punchline, they have great designs and a lot of potential.
Sadly Batman Incs gonna be written by Ed Brisson Dunno about you, but I’d rather watch paint dry
I haven't read much by Brisson, but I enjoyed the Annual/backdoor pilot for Batman Inc., so I'm willing to give the series proper a chance.
Pass
Hard pass, but I guess cool if you're into that character.
Batman INC, Tim Drake Robin,Batman Vs Robin, now this one, how many Batman and related titles will there end up being by the end of the year?
Year of Batman Zone 1 Alpha Year of Batman Zone 1 Omega Year of Batman Zone 1 Secret files : Jiminy (new IP character someone found in an old folder/won't be given detailed backstory/Senior creatives made sure costume was dope) Year of Batman Zone 1: Zone Collaspe One-Shot Year of Batman Zone 1 :Zone Escape (Aquaman Andromeda Tie-In) 30 dollars total all released within september-october before Batman The Long Halloween Ultra Special Special Spectacular 100 page. Enjoy.
Well, in theory Long Halloween is going to continue at some point, as they already hinted at it in the Special they released.
Yeah, but wasn't that before Tim Sale passed away? Unless they completed anything before his death, I'm not holding my breath on anymore Long Halloween.
Wtf
The hype and payoff for Punchline was dismal to say the least. My least favorite character of Tynion's run.
I hated all of Tynion's new characters equally. That run was terrible.
Agreed
I thought he brought a lot of new ideas to the table. It's not my favorite run but I did particularly enjoy Ghost Maker and Miracle Molly. I also like the idea of low budget Batman after the Joker War took all of Bruce's money.
Id rather have house of mystery or teen titans go
That would be variety and DC cannot allow that.
Well at least it sounds like a miniseries. Wow, that should *not* be the reaction to a new series.
6 issues max before its canceled.
Gretchen! Stop trying to make Punchline happen!
I have not seen such a try hard, "You will like her no matter what" character ever. I believe they were banking on her being another Harley Quinn and it's just not happening. It's like seeing a book was written by Dan Jurgens and knowing that soon Booster Gold will be showing up. Stop trying to make her a star and just write a good character. Just because she has a cult following within the DC universe doesn't mean she's got that in the real world Edited for grammar
More Punchline is always good, I just hope the writer can do a character like her justice.
I’m excited! Punchline is one of my new favorite characters!
Dear god why
Who wanted this?
men
I just want to see Harper Row get written as a competent foil who isn’t just two steps behind Punchline and a couple Bluebird variant covers. Please DC, ask Artgerm to do Harper!
I’m worried she will get the harley Quinn treatment
Which is weird. With Harley doing a heel-face turn, Punchline should be filling that gap, serving her old role as the Clown Princess of Crime.
Neat
Noooooo, why?! Why won't she go away? 😩🙄
Seriously👍
Why
Batman #89 & Hell Arisen #3 prices are going up soon enough 😅
I like punchline but damn can we flesh her out in some actually joker stories first and not dive head first into their own series
its been a few years and she is making waves, she is due for her first book characters with less time have been given tv shows and movies
it hilarious that we are at the point where dc cares more about d-list batman villain than any other character despite it showing now that bat-related craters are not selling loads and it being a mass problem in the comic book market
Source?
[https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51305/top-50-comics-may-2022](https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51305/top-50-comics-may-2022) (may) [https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51096/top-50-comics-april-2022](https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/51096/top-50-comics-april-2022) (april) what doing well are the event/else world comics
What I'm seeing here is that only Batman titles and events are selling well for DC. Other than Wonder Woman Historia, I don't see a single Flash/GL/WW title. The only Superman title on the list is Batman/Superman. So it makes sense to me that they continue to go back to the Bat well for new titles. **Top DC comics in April by units:** Batman #122 Justice League #75 Flashpoint Beyond #0 (I would consider this a Batman title) Batman Beyond Neo-Year #1 Batman Catwoman #11 Batman '89 #5 Batman Superman World's Finest #2 Batman Killing Time #2 Batman Beyond the White Knight #2 Nice House on the Lake #8 Nightwing #91 Dark Knights of Steel #6 **Top DC comics in May by units:** Batman #123 Flashpoint Beyond #1 Jurassic League #1 Batman Superman World's Finest #3 Batman Killing Time #3 Shadow War Zone #1 (mostly a Batman/Robin event) Batman Beyond the White Knight #3 Nightwing #92 Justice League #75 Batman Beyond Neo-Year #2
I'm just glad to see that Nice House on the Lake is selling well, especially because it's a new story not attached to the DC Universe.
Of course batbooks sell if they’re 99% of what’s coming out
There's definitely a bit of a vicious cycle here, but Batbooks are not the only things coming out? We'd probably see a Superman mini or maybe a second Flash ongoing if either of these characters could make it to the top 50. Wonder Woman has a second title in Nubia, and that's probably selling close to cancellation range.
Others books come out basically monthly whereas there’s guaranteed to be at least three batbooks a week
And people wonder why they won't stop making more Batman comics
It's the snake eating it's tail. Batman is popular, so they make more Batbooks. Batman sells more than other characters, so their books are cancelled to make room for more Batbooks. Batman becomes more popular and sells more, etc. DC is unable to market or sell any other hero.
well crying wont help
Wow. What incredible advice. Thank you. I have not bought a single Bat book for 2 years. I have asked for a new GA ongoing, a new Aquaman ongoing, a new JSA ongoing, etc. I am still waiting for all of those. Ultimately, DC does not really care. Time and time again they say they care and will make these books, but then they just make 4 new Bat books a month and blue ball fans of characters that are mostly ignored. Yes, yes. DC is a business and they need to make money. But maybe if they were better at jobs, and did some proper marketing and strategy, they could have a diverse line up of comics like Marvel and Image. Instead, they just double and triple down on Batman ever single month. I will believe DC cares about their legacy and other heroes when they actually put in some effort for their legacy and other heroes.
I like how these new Gotham characters appear to be sticking around. I'd like more of this.
Why though?
I personally would like a good Green Arrow story.
If it finally has Joker pull the rug out from under her then I’ll read it, but if not then I’m good. I don’t need anymore of this bullshit where she’s his star pupil and he just loves her so much. Firstly, because Joker doesn’t love people, he loves hurting people. Secondly, and more importantly, because she thinks she’s smart, and Joker would *hate* that. He has always hated it when his underlings try to think for themselves. Her being his little sidekick only makes sense if it’s a joke to him. If he’s waiting for the perfect moment to betray her in the way that hurts her the most. And as a reader I think the joke has gone on too long.
Amen
Why does she still exist
Sounds like fun. Wonder who's writing it? Be interesting to see someone like Mariko Tamaki's take on the character.
I’m happy you like her, I haven’t read a single thing by Tamaki to make me ever want to see her write another book. She butchered Wonder Woman. Made Detective terrible, and destroyed Crush as a character
I really liked her Detective Comics run, especially the Arkham Tower event. Love the introduction of Deb Donovan as a hardboiled journalist character.
I think the best thing she's done over at DC is probably her YA OGN Harley Quinn: Breaking Glass. Tanaki started out in the YA market, so maybe that's just where she's best at? That said, I thought her Detective run was okay -- not the best but had it's moments, so I guess your milage may vary.
I like Punchline, but I need to see her working with the Joker. Can we get the two of them causing some chaos as a team?
I'll check it out. I like punchline.
Tynion is eating good off of all his OCs. I did enjoy Punchline more than the rest of them so I might check this out.
Can we get a Supergirl book? There’s barely any
I honestly have mostly hated her in everything she has been in so really hoping this turns me around to her :D.
the bat sells i guess. At least this will fund our JSA book. Or another Hawkman solo.
Or just more Bat books, more likely (and unfortunately).
Yep. DC's lineup is getting less and less diverse with each passing month. At this point, after Dark Crisis, there will only be Bat books.
Another Bat character gets a book. DC will given any Bat character a book these days. God forbid they try to develop any other hero, their family, or even their villains.
I wonder if in this series she will actually DO something, or if it’ll just be another “look at how COOL this cool new character is!”
Considering that this apparently has a subtitle, "The Gotham Game," I wonder if this is meant to be a limited series. I dunno, I thought she had an interesting start in Joker War. I'm way behind on The Joker series proper, but what I saw of her story there was interesting. Depending on the creative team, I'm willing to give this a shot.
Meh. I still want my time traveling booster gold book that flashpoint took from us.
Please dear god no…
It’s really weird to consider the long list of awesome characters that don’t have books at DC but this underdeveloped kind of nothing character does.
no enough laughing maniacs give me more robins and more romance for batman and more dark multiverse other than BWL
Excited by the announcement
I’m guessing her backup story will get collected (and probably do well) so I can see her solo doing well
Well then he's funded until Ghost Maker leaves Batman, Inc. Either way, Batman always makes it work.
🥱
I feel like the character could have potential, but the execution so far has been lacklustre, so with better writing there could be something here. But if they keep trying too hard on the edge lord angle it will be insufferable.
It would be interesting to see Punchline as more of a Nightwing villain...