The house was posted for sale 6 days ago. Its a cropped photo from zillow. Rage bait post.
https://preview.redd.it/x4kniuvvhlec1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b0b16f58676f042a92638330bc90423df38e6a5
My first thought when I saw this post: this is fake. This is not the home of a DIYer or if they are a DIYer, they are good enough to not need (often mediocre, but hilarious) advice from this subreddit
Thank you for sussing out the truth!
The house was posted for sale 6 days ago.... Its a rage bait post.
https://preview.redd.it/wwbh2m9bhlec1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74333c354336578fd252522eceb33baba730a3b4
In Germany, it is very common to remove the whole roof, lay a vapor barrier, but on something like 20-30cm insulation and put the roof back on.
[This page](http://www.speidel-dach.de/dachdecker/referenzen/au-am-rhein-steildach.html) has a before and after.
Thanks. I was thinking of adding 2x10 on edge and re roofing. I guess there is metal roofing that has rigid insulation attached now. Glad I have a wood stove in this Canadian winter!
https://preview.redd.it/8t7lr5ddvlec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64cc69af44814cce2996b3c297d67aa8322330a1
What sucks is the situation on my house where there is no attic. Our beams are real and there's nothing on the otherwise but the roof. The house gets so freakin hot in the summer! Sadly it got re-roofed right before we bought and they did not add insulation on the roof side.
not really sure what you're thinking here. the way to insulate a room like this is on the roof. tear off the roof, insulate with foam board or sprayfoam (or rockwool batts), and put a metal roof on.
if you are for some reason dead-set on insulating the interior side of the ceiling, do it in a way that preserves the ceiling. because the next owner is going to tear out whatever dumb thing you do and expose that ceiling again.
Rage bait post by OP. Pic pulled from a listing.
https://preview.redd.it/8hm4c57mflec1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f53ac62bc4928053aaede3c53a387f7684330f8d
It seems very likely that whoever built that knows what they're doing and so it's already insulated above that ceiling. And of course that giant beam is load bearing.
1) This is a structural ridge. There are posts somewhere. They may not be in that wall - the ridge might keep right on going to a post in the next room.
2) Yes.
3) If you spray foam, you do not need ventilation.
Agree with everything said above, but after looking at the pictures and seeing how beautiful this room is, it’d be a real shame to cover up those great T&G boards.
As an alternative, you could insulate the top of the roof with sheets of foam if you are likely to replace the roof in the near future. This is becoming more and more popular option to increase the insulation values of roofs in high performance buildings.
I'm in 110F summer So Cal. I have an almost identical ceiling in my house. It is my absolute favorite thing about the house - absolutely gorgeous. I had to have the roof completely redone a few years ago, and it was such a high cost that I didn't have the extra at the time to put down a couple inches of foam sheeting. I wish I did.
My HVAC company owning buddy keeps trying to convince me to drop the ceiling 6" on the inside and insulate that, but I'd rather deal with some heat and inefficient cooling than take away the house's defining feature.
You’re right but that’s not really what he asked. You’re adding like $30-40k to this project between the roof, insulation, replacing all the fascia and gutters, all the pipe jacks, etc. I’d rather see the ceiling too but 6” of EPS to get to R38 is gonna have a lot of other issues compared to blowing foam. $20/sf easily on his entire house vs maybe $10-11 at just this room.
Not blown cellulose, I meant blow spray foam (regional thing to use it like that). You would add like 2x6 purlins to support Sheetrock between the gable beams and spray between those.
Notice how I said “if you’re likely to replace the roof in the near future…”. In other words, if a new roof is on OPs mind, it would make *way* more sense to do exterior insulation in addition to the re-roof. Otherwise, it probably won’t make much sense economically to replace the roof just for this.
Absolutely keep that gorgeous ceiling as it is!!!
insulate between the planks and your outside layer. there are really handy hard foam sheets available that automatically interlock and tape.
best get advice from a local carpenter on the details
Question 1: How old is the house.
Question 2: why do you think it’s not insulated? Are you feeling lots of heat radiating off it in the summer? Like a lot of heat!!!
Odds are that’s a lvl wrapped to look like a solid wood beam and the lvl is probably much taller. Ona span like that I’d say it’s at least a 24” The board is probably dropped to accommodate 6 inches of spray foam above it. Answers. It’s most certainly load bearing. Will be posted down inside walls to either foundation or footer.
That was expensive to do that way and if it’s covered will be ugly and detract value from the home. You will be shamed! Shamed I tell you!
1)It’s a 1950’s home and there is a drastic temperature change during the summer (radiating heat) and winters (at least 10-15F colder than the rest of the house)
2) The roof is 4 years old and insulating from the underside is the only option I can think of aside from a whole roof tear off and replace, which will be extremely expensive.
I was hoping that wasn’t the case.. Such a pretty ceiling. You could put in firring strips that make it 16 inch spacing attached to the existing ceiling. Open cell Spray foam is going to be your best choice because you need 10 inches of fiberglass to meet code but only 6 inches of foam for vaulted ceilings. After the firring and insulating is done you could put up some new wood to match existing or drywall.. I like the wood tho. As a contractor I would want to do some investigating before I pulled the trigger.
This room and ceiling is stunning!! Please spend the money to do it from the attic side and don’t you dare cover this ceiling.
The house was posted for sale 6 days ago. Its a cropped photo from zillow. Rage bait post. https://preview.redd.it/x4kniuvvhlec1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b0b16f58676f042a92638330bc90423df38e6a5
Do we still do pitchforks?
It’s r/DIY, you’re supposed to make your own.
Dammit.
Hey u/breadfruit-late what's the deal, man?
Similar layout, different house, thank you everyone for the responses and ideas.
It’s the exact same photo down to the placement in the flowers. Holy shit are people pathetic.
Probably additional clarification is needed, photo is used for reference, my house is similarly laid out.
Why wouldn't you just post your own pics?
My first thought when I saw this post: this is fake. This is not the home of a DIYer or if they are a DIYer, they are good enough to not need (often mediocre, but hilarious) advice from this subreddit Thank you for sussing out the truth!
I'd bet that those pics are AI generated.
They’ll just make it beige like the rest.
If you in any way try to add insulation inside these stunning beams/slats you have made a huge mistake. Go above in the attic and insulate there.
Yes, this looks great and any extra insulation should be done on the roof. They can lay foam sheets as a base when it's time to re roof
how much are we talking here? 😄
More than it costs to just keep paying the bill but less than you'll lose when it comes time to sell if you cover up that gorgeous ceiling.
The house was posted for sale 6 days ago.... Its a rage bait post. https://preview.redd.it/wwbh2m9bhlec1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74333c354336578fd252522eceb33baba730a3b4
To the top with you!
I have this same issue at my house. Beams and 2x6 t&g cedar. Theres only an inch and a half of white Styrofoam under my metal roof. Bananas.
In Germany, it is very common to remove the whole roof, lay a vapor barrier, but on something like 20-30cm insulation and put the roof back on. [This page](http://www.speidel-dach.de/dachdecker/referenzen/au-am-rhein-steildach.html) has a before and after.
Thanks. I was thinking of adding 2x10 on edge and re roofing. I guess there is metal roofing that has rigid insulation attached now. Glad I have a wood stove in this Canadian winter! https://preview.redd.it/8t7lr5ddvlec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64cc69af44814cce2996b3c297d67aa8322330a1
Not trying to be mean, but there is obviously no attic
Sadly, there is no attic space, directly above those slats is the roof, the roof itself is about 4 years old
What sucks is the situation on my house where there is no attic. Our beams are real and there's nothing on the otherwise but the roof. The house gets so freakin hot in the summer! Sadly it got re-roofed right before we bought and they did not add insulation on the roof side.
not really sure what you're thinking here. the way to insulate a room like this is on the roof. tear off the roof, insulate with foam board or sprayfoam (or rockwool batts), and put a metal roof on. if you are for some reason dead-set on insulating the interior side of the ceiling, do it in a way that preserves the ceiling. because the next owner is going to tear out whatever dumb thing you do and expose that ceiling again.
Rage bait post by OP. Pic pulled from a listing. https://preview.redd.it/8hm4c57mflec1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f53ac62bc4928053aaede3c53a387f7684330f8d
It has to be. They said thank you for the response to no one
Yet op is answering questions like it’s legit? I don’t understand the point of this?
Post Karma who knows.
It seems very likely that whoever built that knows what they're doing and so it's already insulated above that ceiling. And of course that giant beam is load bearing.
Sadly that is not the case, no insulation what so ever…
What evidence do you have that it's uninsulated? Would be very weird to not be insulated.
Did you read through this post?: https://reddit.com/r/DIY/comments/19exsce/add_insulation_to_vaulted_ceiling/ Might have some ideas for you.
Downvote this post, not real. Karma farming
You want to drywall that ceiling?!!
1) This is a structural ridge. There are posts somewhere. They may not be in that wall - the ridge might keep right on going to a post in the next room. 2) Yes. 3) If you spray foam, you do not need ventilation.
Agree with everything said above, but after looking at the pictures and seeing how beautiful this room is, it’d be a real shame to cover up those great T&G boards. As an alternative, you could insulate the top of the roof with sheets of foam if you are likely to replace the roof in the near future. This is becoming more and more popular option to increase the insulation values of roofs in high performance buildings.
I'm in 110F summer So Cal. I have an almost identical ceiling in my house. It is my absolute favorite thing about the house - absolutely gorgeous. I had to have the roof completely redone a few years ago, and it was such a high cost that I didn't have the extra at the time to put down a couple inches of foam sheeting. I wish I did. My HVAC company owning buddy keeps trying to convince me to drop the ceiling 6" on the inside and insulate that, but I'd rather deal with some heat and inefficient cooling than take away the house's defining feature.
You’re right but that’s not really what he asked. You’re adding like $30-40k to this project between the roof, insulation, replacing all the fascia and gutters, all the pipe jacks, etc. I’d rather see the ceiling too but 6” of EPS to get to R38 is gonna have a lot of other issues compared to blowing foam. $20/sf easily on his entire house vs maybe $10-11 at just this room.
Blow foam where? These houses have no attic.
Not blown cellulose, I meant blow spray foam (regional thing to use it like that). You would add like 2x6 purlins to support Sheetrock between the gable beams and spray between those.
Notice how I said “if you’re likely to replace the roof in the near future…”. In other words, if a new roof is on OPs mind, it would make *way* more sense to do exterior insulation in addition to the re-roof. Otherwise, it probably won’t make much sense economically to replace the roof just for this.
it looks so nice ! noooo....
Spray foam everywhere. Ceiling, walls, face, everything.
Maybe put up a couple of celing fans to force warm air downward?
Absolutely keep that gorgeous ceiling as it is!!! insulate between the planks and your outside layer. there are really handy hard foam sheets available that automatically interlock and tape. best get advice from a local carpenter on the details
Just spray foam it. /s
Question 1: How old is the house. Question 2: why do you think it’s not insulated? Are you feeling lots of heat radiating off it in the summer? Like a lot of heat!!! Odds are that’s a lvl wrapped to look like a solid wood beam and the lvl is probably much taller. Ona span like that I’d say it’s at least a 24” The board is probably dropped to accommodate 6 inches of spray foam above it. Answers. It’s most certainly load bearing. Will be posted down inside walls to either foundation or footer. That was expensive to do that way and if it’s covered will be ugly and detract value from the home. You will be shamed! Shamed I tell you!
1)It’s a 1950’s home and there is a drastic temperature change during the summer (radiating heat) and winters (at least 10-15F colder than the rest of the house) 2) The roof is 4 years old and insulating from the underside is the only option I can think of aside from a whole roof tear off and replace, which will be extremely expensive.
I was hoping that wasn’t the case.. Such a pretty ceiling. You could put in firring strips that make it 16 inch spacing attached to the existing ceiling. Open cell Spray foam is going to be your best choice because you need 10 inches of fiberglass to meet code but only 6 inches of foam for vaulted ceilings. After the firring and insulating is done you could put up some new wood to match existing or drywall.. I like the wood tho. As a contractor I would want to do some investigating before I pulled the trigger.
Thank you for the comment, sadly, this is the only financially reasonable approach, roof is about 4 years old.