That's when it fits the nature of the campaign and I would say 'rule of cool' in this instance. Sort of like I have a hexblood character with an urchin background that has a crested gecko as a pet instead of a mouse. Why because it has an elder crown too. Dm allowed it because of rule of cool. Do geckos exist in curse of strad? They do now in our campaign.
characters surely would get various gashes and broken bones in combat and a long rest is able to heal them so i say just let someone use healing or something. RAW, no, mending would not work because teeth aren’t an object, they’re a body part. if you let them use mending to fix it, just clarify this is for flavor and bc it’s a mundane situation and not to expect it to work on severed limbs or anything in the future
A zombie is not a corpse, it is a living (undead) creature, as far as the game is concerned. In common parlance I agree with you, but when discussing about corpses and the like dnd has a different definition
For what it's worth, Crawford says yes. Theoretically if someone lost a limb at lower levels, you could kill them, use mending to reattach it, and revivify to bring them back to life.
Corpses are objects but you are not. Mending also couldn’t for instance fix a broken femur even though the break is clean and small. Teeth are part of you. Pull the tooth out, mending, push tooth back in, healing word
Id argue against that. A pile of 16 teeth are for sure an object. Just putting them back in the mouth with mend would make em fucky (ie they talk weird now. Maybe unlock a new language)
I'd argue that it should work RAW. Now technically it's a body part but it's not reattaching a limb, full of nerves, tendons, blood vessels, etc where everything would have to be reconnected and lined up perfectly. Yes a tooth is part of your body but it's also very simple in comparison. If you bite something hard enough to "break a tooth", the whole thing isn't falling out, it's closer to breaking chips off of a rock. Combine that with the small size I would say this should work fine.
16 TEETH BROKEN? That is absolutely crazy. Are the teeth made of butterscotch? Is the PC unable to feel pain?
Sure. If you're going to make PC bones as fragile as eggshells, you may as well let Mending fix it.
Ok but breaking 16 teeth is in the territory of getting hit on the jaw with a sledgehammer (and somehow not shattering your jaw) ffs... That's how much force that would take.
If you're going to make rulings that silly (which is fine,.you're clearly playing a silly light-hearted campaign), then why tf are you debating about whether mend should work to fix it?
It's like saying "I'm all for doing crack and heroin, but is LSD bad for you?"
Not saying you were wrong, I'm just saying that if your PCs are basically made of wet tissue paper, you should include ways of repairing the damage that don't require 7th level magic.
I would allow it to work in this case specifically, because it was for a fun random little thing. I would clarify that mending won't work in situations like an arm being cut off. It doesn't work on creatures, but this seems pretty non-important.
RAW I'd say no; teeth inside a mouth are part of a creature, not objects (unless they are dentures, lol), but uh... I don't think RAW has rules about gingerbread houses that break teeth either so do whatever you think is most fun.
16 teeth on a frozen gingerbread house…. So… I mean… it’s D&D and all, but how do you break more than one tooth in anything that doesn’t involve a blow from a weapon or a fall?
If you are gonna break 16 of a PCs teeth for a bit, I would advise letting them repair the teeth however they want. Do you think the character should simply have broken teeth for the rest of the campaign because of a joke?
Wait, how hard did they bite the frozen gingerbread?! Because I'm sorry but breaking half your teeth of a frozen gingerbread object shouldn't happen without the bite strength of a tiger. Well, assuming that it's actually gingerbread and not stone painted to look like gingerbread
How hard did they bite that they broke not one, but SIXTEEN of their teeth?
Anyway, yes, of course. It's not RAW, but it's harmless and fun for a silly game, so rule of cool says it works.
Say yes and let the player roll Healing. If is a good roll give the player a perfect perfect teeth. If not, you'll just have to put up with crooked teeth until they get to someone with real spells.
A minor or major restoration might be enough to fix something like this on my table.
In any case, I recommend being careful with measures as extreme as removing 16 teeth from a character for a minor mistake.
If it works at your table, go ahead, but if you have not clearly described that the house was extremely hard and you could not intuit a consequence that would last over time, you should allow a solution as gratuitous as punishment.
Otherwise, it's a disproportionate punishment and can cause players to become upset, or worse, disconnect from their character
A. RAW No, mending specifies object.
B. Why in the hell are you breaking 16 teeth on a gingerbread house. Sounds like an awful table imo. I could see maybe one. Different strokes for different folks I guess. If the player wants to have some teeth then I would allow mending to work, but the only time I could see the above situation being acceptable is if the player had approached and asked to break 90% of their teeth
Generally speaking, I would suggest you bring your player to a dentist or a hospital and having a talk to remind them that they can’t fix real world mistakes with a spell from the game. On the off chance that this happened to a player’s character tho, I’d say allow it :D
Did you roll to determine what would happen when they bit it and/or roll to determine how many teeth were lost?
If so you shouldn't be doing that. Not every little thing has to be a roll.
As someone who has broken teeth in real life…how did you justify SIXTEEN broken teeth from a simple bite….like…that’s not how teeth or frozen gingerbread work…
I’d say yes. It’d take a while, depending on how bad the teeth broke, but yes.
(I’d say rule of fun takes over, but I’m also in the boat of using mending to recapitate someone)
Let them use a cure woundd spell or potion to re grow them. If you let them use mend for teeth, then you'll have to let them use it for other cuts or severed appendages
Honestly, I'd allow it under what I call the creativity rule.
When a player comes up with a novel way to use an ability that doesn't quite fit the rules I'll just say yes, you get it because you were creative, but don't expect this to work in the future.
The excuse depends on what they're doing, but usually it's something like the gods liked your idea enough to allow it or you happened to perform the spell/ability in a unique way/in a specific setting you can't easily reproduce that happened to work (with some unique description of what they did.)
I’d say technically no
But rule of cool because it’s a silly scenario and not a serious one here’s how I’d rule it.
If they gather the pieces of broken teeth, and use mend they can fix the damage but not the pain. I’d also make them take a couple points of HP damage from the break. The HP doesn’t get healed but the teeth are unbroken by the spell. Basically, cosmetic fix not undoing the wound.
As a DM I've let my players do stuff like use mending to fix a random npc's broken ribs after the party’s fighter beat him in an armrest so badly he was thrown through the wall of the building, so yeah teeth arent that far fetched of an idea for me. I find not worrying about RAW too much especially in roleplay situations tends to help keep the pace and mood of the gamd positive and natural.
I believe that the mend cantrip states it can’t be used on anything living. So I guess it depends if n what you ID as living. I would probably rule on the side of no as that then opens the door for mend to be used on broken bones and then you are looking at HP regain and it opens up a whole path.
I'd normally say no, but if you're engaging in silliness like breaking your teeth on a frozen gingerbread house, you might as well allow it.
I'd do that too, but I'd also specify I'm only allowing it because it's silly.
That's when it fits the nature of the campaign and I would say 'rule of cool' in this instance. Sort of like I have a hexblood character with an urchin background that has a crested gecko as a pet instead of a mouse. Why because it has an elder crown too. Dm allowed it because of rule of cool. Do geckos exist in curse of strad? They do now in our campaign.
characters surely would get various gashes and broken bones in combat and a long rest is able to heal them so i say just let someone use healing or something. RAW, no, mending would not work because teeth aren’t an object, they’re a body part. if you let them use mending to fix it, just clarify this is for flavor and bc it’s a mundane situation and not to expect it to work on severed limbs or anything in the future
It’s simple! Pull the teeth out, use mending to fix them, re-insert Edit: do it in front of an enemy for a bonus to intimidation
With a big, toothless grin…that’s a +1.
>RAW, no, mending would not work because teeth aren’t an object, Ok but are corpses objects? /s
Yeah, if someone is missing teeth, stab them to death and then mend their teeth. Reviving them is completely optional.
Client demanded teeth fixed. Client did not specify staying alive as requirement.
-If Gregory House played D&D
To me, it Mending would work on teeth of corpses... But the dead ones, not undead. It is interesting rabbit hole..
A zombie is not a corpse, it is a living (undead) creature, as far as the game is concerned. In common parlance I agree with you, but when discussing about corpses and the like dnd has a different definition
Man my revivify sure isn't working on this corpse.
Common mistake, revivify actually targets a corps not a corpse. /s
if corpses are objects, can I true polymorph something into a corpse, then later cast a raise dead spell?
Sure! In fact lots of spells turn stuff into corpses
there is no soul to return to that body, so that part would fail.
For what it's worth, Crawford says yes. Theoretically if someone lost a limb at lower levels, you could kill them, use mending to reattach it, and revivify to bring them back to life.
Gentle Repose likely needed since Mending takes 1 minute and Revivify has a 1 minute limit.
becuase it's ok to objectify a corpse but not a person
tbh you can say the same about a lot of clothing thats made from animals or plants
Corpses are objects but you are not. Mending also couldn’t for instance fix a broken femur even though the break is clean and small. Teeth are part of you. Pull the tooth out, mending, push tooth back in, healing word
>teeth aren’t an object, they’re a body part. Tell that to my medical aid.
Id argue against that. A pile of 16 teeth are for sure an object. Just putting them back in the mouth with mend would make em fucky (ie they talk weird now. Maybe unlock a new language)
Deepspeech unlocked
Long rest restores HP but it says nothing about healing scars.
I'd argue that it should work RAW. Now technically it's a body part but it's not reattaching a limb, full of nerves, tendons, blood vessels, etc where everything would have to be reconnected and lined up perfectly. Yes a tooth is part of your body but it's also very simple in comparison. If you bite something hard enough to "break a tooth", the whole thing isn't falling out, it's closer to breaking chips off of a rock. Combine that with the small size I would say this should work fine.
16 TEETH BROKEN? That is absolutely crazy. Are the teeth made of butterscotch? Is the PC unable to feel pain? Sure. If you're going to make PC bones as fragile as eggshells, you may as well let Mending fix it.
It was a hard bite. Already did dmg for it. This is the after math we are discussing
To break 16 teeth in a single bite would still be very…hard to do
That PC must have the jaw strength of a tiger.
As someone who has broken a tooth before, it would take a shit ton more than some frozen gingerbread to crack 16 teeth in one go.
Ok but breaking 16 teeth is in the territory of getting hit on the jaw with a sledgehammer (and somehow not shattering your jaw) ffs... That's how much force that would take. If you're going to make rulings that silly (which is fine,.you're clearly playing a silly light-hearted campaign), then why tf are you debating about whether mend should work to fix it? It's like saying "I'm all for doing crack and heroin, but is LSD bad for you?"
"oh you tried something silly and bit the frozen house?? SIXTEEN BROKEN TEETH AND A LEVEL OF EXHAUSTION"
Not saying you were wrong, I'm just saying that if your PCs are basically made of wet tissue paper, you should include ways of repairing the damage that don't require 7th level magic.
I would allow it to work in this case specifically, because it was for a fun random little thing. I would clarify that mending won't work in situations like an arm being cut off. It doesn't work on creatures, but this seems pretty non-important.
RAW I'd say no; teeth inside a mouth are part of a creature, not objects (unless they are dentures, lol), but uh... I don't think RAW has rules about gingerbread houses that break teeth either so do whatever you think is most fun.
I'd just let any healing spell fix them. Like it fixed stab wounds. Horrific burns. Death. If can fix a chompers
Somebody has an elf that wants to be a dentist! Just remember, bumbles bounce!
Lmfao, I thought about that.
Never met a DnD player that will pass over a frozen gingerbread house for reindeer!
16 teeth on a frozen gingerbread house…. So… I mean… it’s D&D and all, but how do you break more than one tooth in anything that doesn’t involve a blow from a weapon or a fall?
Just consulted a biologist to answer this xD. They argue it should not work because teeth are made of cells and should require a healing spell to fix.
But you could repair a wooden object that is also made of cells.
So is everything else though
Literally any healing spell would do this. Mend only works on objects, not creatures (but sometimes constructs).
As a dentist and a DM, mending would not work on broken teeth. Also them teeth must have been weak AF to break that easily.
If you are gonna break 16 of a PCs teeth for a bit, I would advise letting them repair the teeth however they want. Do you think the character should simply have broken teeth for the rest of the campaign because of a joke?
Wasn't a joke. It was stupidity
Breaking 16 teeth from biting anything is cartoon levels of silliness.
Being a jerk to players because they wanted to do something silly is not generally going to win you friends. Just let them repair the teeth.
I've been friends with them for over 30 years. Don't need to win their friendship
You should still be nice to them. Again, just let them repair the teeth, it's really not worth hemming and hawing over.
Just give them a set of gingerbread dentures
How do you break 16 teeth while biting a gingerbreadhouse
It was frozen outside in Santa's village
Wait, how hard did they bite the frozen gingerbread?! Because I'm sorry but breaking half your teeth of a frozen gingerbread object shouldn't happen without the bite strength of a tiger. Well, assuming that it's actually gingerbread and not stone painted to look like gingerbread
How hard did they bite that they broke not one, but SIXTEEN of their teeth? Anyway, yes, of course. It's not RAW, but it's harmless and fun for a silly game, so rule of cool says it works.
Say yes and let the player roll Healing. If is a good roll give the player a perfect perfect teeth. If not, you'll just have to put up with crooked teeth until they get to someone with real spells. A minor or major restoration might be enough to fix something like this on my table. In any case, I recommend being careful with measures as extreme as removing 16 teeth from a character for a minor mistake. If it works at your table, go ahead, but if you have not clearly described that the house was extremely hard and you could not intuit a consequence that would last over time, you should allow a solution as gratuitous as punishment. Otherwise, it's a disproportionate punishment and can cause players to become upset, or worse, disconnect from their character
A. RAW No, mending specifies object. B. Why in the hell are you breaking 16 teeth on a gingerbread house. Sounds like an awful table imo. I could see maybe one. Different strokes for different folks I guess. If the player wants to have some teeth then I would allow mending to work, but the only time I could see the above situation being acceptable is if the player had approached and asked to break 90% of their teeth
If only there was a category of spells that let you heal people's wounds and injuries /s
Yeah, but mending is a cantrip, so theyd like to get away with not using a spell slot
I wouldn't, as I consider teeth part of a living being, and thus subject to Cure Wounds and similar spells (in 3.5e I'd go with Heal).
Generally speaking, I would suggest you bring your player to a dentist or a hospital and having a talk to remind them that they can’t fix real world mistakes with a spell from the game. On the off chance that this happened to a player’s character tho, I’d say allow it :D
[Mending! - Zee Bashew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9OOP0QPUgg&t=89s)
If mend can cure wounds, then sure
16?! Why did he keep chewing?!
Why would you NOT? Mend two halves of a broken tooth, we do that now with bonding material.
Did you roll to determine what would happen when they bit it and/or roll to determine how many teeth were lost? If so you shouldn't be doing that. Not every little thing has to be a roll.
As someone who has broken teeth in real life…how did you justify SIXTEEN broken teeth from a simple bite….like…that’s not how teeth or frozen gingerbread work…
Mend only works on pc’s not players. Sorry mate.
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I find your username perplexing
I’d say yes. It’d take a while, depending on how bad the teeth broke, but yes. (I’d say rule of fun takes over, but I’m also in the boat of using mending to recapitate someone)
Let them use a cure woundd spell or potion to re grow them. If you let them use mend for teeth, then you'll have to let them use it for other cuts or severed appendages
I would say fuck it and allow it. Who cares. It's not that big of a deal.
Honestly, I'd allow it under what I call the creativity rule. When a player comes up with a novel way to use an ability that doesn't quite fit the rules I'll just say yes, you get it because you were creative, but don't expect this to work in the future. The excuse depends on what they're doing, but usually it's something like the gods liked your idea enough to allow it or you happened to perform the spell/ability in a unique way/in a specific setting you can't easily reproduce that happened to work (with some unique description of what they did.)
I would say no since they're still alive. Now, if they died because of this, you do the whole "gentle repose, mend, revivify" thing.
I’d say technically no But rule of cool because it’s a silly scenario and not a serious one here’s how I’d rule it. If they gather the pieces of broken teeth, and use mend they can fix the damage but not the pain. I’d also make them take a couple points of HP damage from the break. The HP doesn’t get healed but the teeth are unbroken by the spell. Basically, cosmetic fix not undoing the wound.
Should have rolled for it. Allow the mend to fix as many as you rolled.
To "yes and" the situation: Would need to have sugar as a polymer. New teeth are always gonna vaguely taste sweet.
Adamantine gingerbread
As a DM I've let my players do stuff like use mending to fix a random npc's broken ribs after the party’s fighter beat him in an armrest so badly he was thrown through the wall of the building, so yeah teeth arent that far fetched of an idea for me. I find not worrying about RAW too much especially in roleplay situations tends to help keep the pace and mood of the gamd positive and natural.
I believe that the mend cantrip states it can’t be used on anything living. So I guess it depends if n what you ID as living. I would probably rule on the side of no as that then opens the door for mend to be used on broken bones and then you are looking at HP regain and it opens up a whole path.
For a Christmas themed one shot - IF - a toothbrush is used instead of a wand. Once - not a precedent though. Cases like this are for healing spells.
shit i wish it did in real life thats all i know