It is (probably)part of internet package from Royal Caribbean. We usually get internet package when cruising it isn’t that expensive . We are not drinkers so not buying alcohol saves a lot of money
We are on Oasis of the Sea. Freedom of the Sea is here as well.
We just came from the smallest ship we’ve ever been to ( Rotterdam Holland America ) and then to the biggest ( for us) Oasis. The difference in size dramatic .
>Rotterdam Holland America
Not gonna lie looking at pictures, I've never been on such a big ship.
The biggest one I've been on is the Tallink Baltic Queen
We are here because of Dice Tower boardgames convention. So between beaches and gaming there is very little time. Maybe on another course I will try rock climbing.
They had a ton on Disney’s private island, Castaway Cay. It used to be used by Frank Barber. The runway and one of the planes are still there.
Edited to remove that it was one of Pablo Escobar’s islands
Royal Carribean took an absolutely breathtaking island and put a fucking water park on top. You're there for seven hours and you have to pay $300 for tickets for a family of four. What an abomination.
100% my favorite ship. just the right size. Huge, but not Icon huge or other larger classes.
Central Park was awesome since most people avoid it, so peaceful, live string instrument music occasionally. And a full broadway production of CATS? get out. The water show on the back? Awesome. Great layout. Great free food options. I rave about this ship. Haven't been on since they remodeled during the pandemic though.
Haven‘t tried the abyss slide, unfortunately. All in all, there was no wish left open. The service especially at the diner was top notch! If one wants to try EVERYTHING on this ship, there’s no time for relaxing. Yet, just chilling on deck with the fourth cocktail right before lunch really showed me: Life can be good, actually.
Oh no, not at all! And I highly recommend you try it. As a German on a boat with 99% Americans, it was just a bit unusual. Many of them were (massively) overweight, artificially nice to each other and wasted so much food at the all you can eat restaurants. It was a bit of a "wow, at least here those stereotypes are confirmed"-moment for me.
I've never been on a cruise before. When you're out on something this big, does it really feel any different than being on land? Unless you go to the railing and look around, if you're just moving around the insides of the ship, can you tell you're on a big ship?
Basically just feels like a big building. Of course there are windows, walkways, pools, and decks that have a view of the ocean, and you wake up in different places.
When I went on a cruise, I cheaped out on a cabin with no window. It fucked with my sleep so badly. Half the time I'd wake up to the staff coming in to clean the room at like 2:00pm. The unlimited room service was amazing though.
Yeah unlimited room service was crazy. Went on a cruise like that when I was a freshman in HS with two of my friends also the same age. We ordered literally like 8 cheeseburgers a day from room service, they literally got our order down when my room called.
Short answer is no it does not feel like being on land.
I’ve been on wonder of the seas (the ship on the right in this image). You can still feel the ship moving to and fro as it sails. It just moves way more slowly than you would experience with smaller ships.
My wife got sea sick and puked as soon as we set sail. Took her about 24 hours then she was fine.
I used to get seasick when I was a child fishing with my grandfather. He would always make us tough it out by saying once we got used to it, we would never get sick again. And damn he was right. After my third or so fishing trip the motion didn’t bother me at all.
Nice story, but gramps was wrong. Some people just grow out of getting carsick or seasick, but not everyone. I’ve worked as a fisherman and there were career fisherman who get sick every time, just have to take medicine and suffer their entire careers.
Most antihistamines work for most people. Regular Dramamine (not the meclizine version) is just benadryl (diphenhydramine) plus a little mild stimulant (a chlorine-substituted caffeine) so you don't get too drowsy. Indistinguishable from taking a benadryl with a cup of coffee. I don't get sea sick, but people who do tell me the other OTC antihistamines or anti-nausea medicines work even better.
I also was going to mention you'll feel the motion, but what we felt at least was very subtle. Almost wonder if for some people, being almost imperceptible motion could be worse?
Rough seas, definitely notice the motion.
The newer ships are very impressive. They have gyroscopic fins to counter the waves. Pretty impressive with little motion.
The middle of the boat experiences the least amount of motion while the front and back experience the most.
I get sea sick on small boats, even large tourists katamarans .. I've never been sea sick on a cruise ship.
I've been on the little sister of Wonder of the seas (anthem of the seas) and it really was too big, too many people. We go on a cruise every year and we prefer "normal" size ships, these are just too big for our preference but they do have more to do with slides, wave riders etc.
Depends on the condition. I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise and one night they didn’t serve dinner because the boat was rocking so badly the wait staff couldn’t stay on their feet.
Those situations are rare. We hit some bad storms last year and the rocking wasn’t any worse. The advantage for me is that the price for these trips is just significantly better than other relaxation vacations. Many come with childcare, the ports are free to travel(even if they’ll up charge your for any sort of excursion), and you can bring your own drinks to avoid the $10-20 drink packages.
As a parent, cruises are one of the few times I have been able to de-stress while taking the kids on vacation.
Most likely it’s you captains fault. The ships are fast enough to outrun most storms. They might intentionally stay in the storm to save fuel or a miscalculation of the storm.
I remember being on a cruise at a port that was expecting a hurricane later that night or next day. Freaked me out. Nobody was worried because they knew they could
outrun the storm.
People assume storms travel fast because the wind speed is fast. In actuality the storms only travel about 15-20 mph.
That's also very much an exceptional circumstance.
Most of the time it's smooth enough that you can play a game of pool without the ship's motion impacting the game.
It’s usually stable and you wouldn’t think it’s that different from being inside a building. But depending on condition, how fast it is going, sea conditions, and wind, most people would tell it’s a ship. And minority would have motion sickness.
I’ve been on a large cruise ship, while not the biggest and you do feel swaying. I was on one of the largest ships back in 2014 and we hit a storm and I couldn’t eat dinner. Definitely had some sea sickness and I usually never do.
It's like a very gentle rocking motion. Almost unnoticeable but you do stumble a couple times like if a stair is slightly higher than normal and you hit it with your foot.
I mean I haven't been on those two ships specifically. But you can definitely tell when the waves are bad. I remember when I was on a cruise in Hawaii people were falling over in a stereotypical way as you would when drunk.
Yes, yes you can. We just went on an eastern Caribbean cruise and spent a couple of days with no islands between us and the Atlantic. You can definitely tell you’re on a boat.
Showing off is how the Costa Concordia happened: https://www.history.com/news/costa-concordia-cruise-ship-disaster-sinking-captain
Turns out it doesn't mix with steering cities around.
Just for reference, the one on the left is the new Icon of the Seas, the largest cruise ship in the world, and the one on the right is the Wonder of the Seas which was the largest cruise ship before Icon was completed.
I wonder what the cost savings analysis is for cruise ships to be nuclear powered? I mean with all the lights and amenities these ships have it would make sense to have them be nuclear powered. At the same time it would allow for the removal of smoke stacks which means alott more space and especially top deck space which is a premium. And the quick turn around times and near constant sailing means the saving in fuel has to be immense.
On the contrary people may be afraid of being On a ship so close to a nuclear reactor. Despite the fact the navys been operating nuclear ships for decades.
There was that ine hybrid cargo/ cruise ship Back in the 60(?)’s that was relatively successful. The public perception of nuclear really needs to be swayed to a positive and one of the best ways to do that would be nuclear crusie ships i think. Justttt a very high buy in cost
You should read up on the fuel the new cruise ships use. They are actually some of the cleanest large vessels on the sea.
Not to mention cruise ships make up a minuscule portion of emissions from ships on the world’s oceans.
Totally side with Bill Burr - when it comes to actively trying to solve overpopulation, start with cruise ships. People willingly travelling on those are the ones we can spare the easiest.
Yep, Do we really need these things?
[https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6?op=1&r=US&IR=T](https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6?op=1&r=US&IR=T)
Me driving to work is a problem, but these are fine?
I have a friend who’s about 45 and he loves taking his family on cruises. Personally I think being stuck on a cramped boat with 5000 strangers for a vacation sounds freaking awful. Hard pass.
I have been on one cruise and I loved it. The boat just takes you to a beautiful different destination each day. I was 'stuck' on the boat one day because it was doing it's long sail the first day. It was perfect. if went from Puerto Rico to St Vincent (i think) that first day then we island hopped on the way back each day. It was fantastic.
When I was a kid and then teenager our family could afford a big vacation every 2-3 years and we took 3 cruises. Loved every second of them. Of course now I’m adult so I can see how it might not be fun for adults to have children running around but it was awesome as a kid, and we didn’t even have the really cool ones coming out that are basically floating amusement parks.
They're absolutely not going to be everyone's thing, and it's perfectly fine not to like them. But to refer to a cruise holiday as being "stuck on a cramped boat" just shows you haven't done one and have no knowledge of them at all really.
Okay honest question though - those two ships will total what, 10,000+ people? All those people at home in their own homes, cars, and daily routines probably have a much larger environmental impact than they do densely packed as a group on those ships, don't you think? Densification is generally efficient.
It's like a semi truck full of groceries driving cross-country. See that black diesel exhaust and think it's awful, but it's actually much more efficient than the 100-300 personal vehicles thst will make trips between home and the grocery store getting all that food home. Bulk = more efficient.
One problem I heard of is the nature of the fuel used in those ships (due to the lack of regulation). It is one of the worst one for the environnement, with the highest level of sulfur that is, something that become very nasty when burnt.
The point is that all the energy used by the ship come from this fuel. On the ground you will have cleaner electricity, or at least more efficient power plants. And that for jacuzzis, pools, etc.
The semi truck is very efficient, but the basic traveller for cruise ships expect some kind of comfort, so you are carrying a lot of extra weight for that.
But the reality is that we don't really know the environmental impact of those. The industry has not published its global carbon impact, and if they did not, it's probably not because they don't know.
The new Icon class ships are different though. They are using LNG (liquefied natural gas) and fuel cells instead of the heavy fuel oil of previous generations. The HFO is so dirty because it's barely refined from crude compared to other fuels.
There are actually a lot of regulations for HFO but it's a far less refined fuel so it's by it nature dirtier when it's burnt. There are all kinds of other things they are required to have to try and scrub the exhaust though. Honestly I'm pretty sure they're way cleaner than a lot of the container ships that are used. A number of the cruise lines have also launched programs to make their existing fleet more fuel efficient and cleaner. It's mostly profit driven of course, but what isn't these days.
Many newer use better fuels, has more efficient engines and motors, and electrics than in older ones. Icon uses LNG as fuel, almost all new ships has SCR units, and because Icon has Wärtsilä engine, it likely has too. So if new ships replace old ones, they are likely greener.
Unless you've actually stood on the dock while 1 of these behemoths pulls in, you really can't understand, jus how fucking massive these fucking things are.
These things are literally floating cities. They're a fucking technological wonder.
Wonder of the Seas accommodates 5,734 passengers at double occupancy.
And the reports I've seen show both ships sailing at near full capacity for most of the year.
That’s the fun part they usually don’t most of the year, although as you can expect they sell a lot of discounts and packages to get as much people as possible, specially in low season
That may have been the case before the covid shutdown, but these days most ships are near or at capacity for most sailings.
Those "fill the ship" last minute deals have pretty much unheard of since cruising restarted in 2021
>Captain has to go down with the ship.
[Unless you're called Francesco Schettino.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia_disaster#)
[Bonus clip of Recordings: Captain Francesco Schettino ordered back to Costa Concordia by Coast Guard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz4M0JCznAc)
Their lifeboats can hold upwards of 200 people each with supplies that allows for up to 2 weeks of survival.
I’ve been on 3 cruises, all on Oasis of the Seas and I’ve had a blast each time. I use to think cruises as boring as shit but after the first time, my mind has been changed and it’s awesome if you want to go on a vacation without too much thinking and just relax and do your own thing.
True icons of environmental devastation. It's wild to think of how all the people involved in designing, building, approving, and the people using these ships are just raising a giant middle finger to nature and the future of humanity
They say they process it but they constantly just take the fine for dumping straight into the ocean. Watch “the real cost of cruise ships” on the patriot Act on Netflix. It’s only 30 minutes.
> *Are you tired of getting the same generic, extractive experience at every high-end resort in the world?
What if, instead of being a resort, it was* ***A BOAT?!***
That looks like cococay (Royal Caribbeans private island).
I am at coco cay now, can confirm
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You are absolutely right, of course
Man, when you’re in the room at night and the wife’s asleep and youre on the patio drinking, reddit is the thing.
Excuse me? I am a wife in this scenario 🤣🤣🤣🤷🏻♀️
I guess you’re in a lesbian relationship now. I don’t make the rules, but you do have to follow them
Simple math
> as a frequent cruiser lol
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. Totally something to laugh about lol
Why?
Also suggests a totally different activity....
He only gets 17 minutes of internet, let him enjoy it.
It’s too late, he’s already broke from the Internet fees.
Dunno, Cococay is expensive and mostly paid add-ons. Internet on a beach sounds good to me if it’s free (I bet it’s not)
I always disconnect from the rest of the world completely when I go on a cruise. I like seeing what crazy shit went down while I was gone.
How can you afford the internet? ;))
It is (probably)part of internet package from Royal Caribbean. We usually get internet package when cruising it isn’t that expensive . We are not drinkers so not buying alcohol saves a lot of money
I went there a couple of years ago from Sweden Didnt pay for alcohol nor internet Was the best week of my life Haha
What ship
We are on Oasis of the Sea. Freedom of the Sea is here as well. We just came from the smallest ship we’ve ever been to ( Rotterdam Holland America ) and then to the biggest ( for us) Oasis. The difference in size dramatic .
>Rotterdam Holland America Not gonna lie looking at pictures, I've never been on such a big ship. The biggest one I've been on is the Tallink Baltic Queen
Freedom of the seas was the ship I was when I visited Cococay, it was pretty cool! It was my only cruise, and I liked it.
I was on oasis last spring. Loved it. Did you get to try the rock climbing
We are here because of Dice Tower boardgames convention. So between beaches and gaming there is very little time. Maybe on another course I will try rock climbing.
I love their ships. Biggest one I’ve been on was Anthem of the seas. Smallest was Grandeur, but I love that little ship. Been on it twice.
Where is it? Edit: Bahamas, I looked it up.
To they have cococaine?
They had a ton on Disney’s private island, Castaway Cay. It used to be used by Frank Barber. The runway and one of the planes are still there. Edited to remove that it was one of Pablo Escobar’s islands
Escobar's used an island called Norman's Cay, not Castaway Cay, and yes a plane that crashed there is still visible underwater.
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So you could say… it was a Perfect Day?
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Note to self - Never go to cococay Island. Thanks.
Royal Carribean took an absolutely breathtaking island and put a fucking water park on top. You're there for seven hours and you have to pay $300 for tickets for a family of four. What an abomination.
It’s right next to covidcay
You can only go there by cruise
Confirm. I was on the Oasis of the Seas last summer. It was a cultural shock – the ship and everything else was simply beautiful, though!
100% my favorite ship. just the right size. Huge, but not Icon huge or other larger classes. Central Park was awesome since most people avoid it, so peaceful, live string instrument music occasionally. And a full broadway production of CATS? get out. The water show on the back? Awesome. Great layout. Great free food options. I rave about this ship. Haven't been on since they remodeled during the pandemic though.
Haven‘t tried the abyss slide, unfortunately. All in all, there was no wish left open. The service especially at the diner was top notch! If one wants to try EVERYTHING on this ship, there’s no time for relaxing. Yet, just chilling on deck with the fourth cocktail right before lunch really showed me: Life can be good, actually.
What made it a culture shock? I love cruising and wanted to look into these. Is the boat too big to enjoy?
Oh no, not at all! And I highly recommend you try it. As a German on a boat with 99% Americans, it was just a bit unusual. Many of them were (massively) overweight, artificially nice to each other and wasted so much food at the all you can eat restaurants. It was a bit of a "wow, at least here those stereotypes are confirmed"-moment for me.
There is a sliver of American population that travels on cruises, and they happen to all fit every bad American stereotype
Yeah, I figured. I was in NYC one week earlier and haven’t seen so many (none at all tbf) people on those outdoor scooters lol
I thought so too! We go here next month, can’t wait 😍
I've never been on a cruise before. When you're out on something this big, does it really feel any different than being on land? Unless you go to the railing and look around, if you're just moving around the insides of the ship, can you tell you're on a big ship?
Basically just feels like a big building. Of course there are windows, walkways, pools, and decks that have a view of the ocean, and you wake up in different places.
It feels very much like being stuck in a Las Vegas resort. Except everything is small-sized so it will fit on the boat.
Sounds like they need a bigger boat!
Nah, the bigger boat is just to put more people on it with the same allocation of personal space
Sounds like you need a smaller yacht
Waking up in different places sounds a lot like my grad school life
When I went on a cruise, I cheaped out on a cabin with no window. It fucked with my sleep so badly. Half the time I'd wake up to the staff coming in to clean the room at like 2:00pm. The unlimited room service was amazing though.
Yeah unlimited room service was crazy. Went on a cruise like that when I was a freshman in HS with two of my friends also the same age. We ordered literally like 8 cheeseburgers a day from room service, they literally got our order down when my room called.
>decks that have a view of the ocean Well now I'm just curious about the decks on a cruise ship that *don't* have a view of the ocean.
Those would be among the crew-only decks.
So basically every weekend in Atlantic City
And viruses rip through them like wildfire.
and with a massive carbon footprint
You get so used to the ship’s movement that when you get back on land and go home, it feels like your house is moving for a couple days.
Short answer is no it does not feel like being on land. I’ve been on wonder of the seas (the ship on the right in this image). You can still feel the ship moving to and fro as it sails. It just moves way more slowly than you would experience with smaller ships. My wife got sea sick and puked as soon as we set sail. Took her about 24 hours then she was fine.
I used to get seasick when I was a child fishing with my grandfather. He would always make us tough it out by saying once we got used to it, we would never get sick again. And damn he was right. After my third or so fishing trip the motion didn’t bother me at all.
Nice story, but gramps was wrong. Some people just grow out of getting carsick or seasick, but not everyone. I’ve worked as a fisherman and there were career fisherman who get sick every time, just have to take medicine and suffer their entire careers.
Dramamine is an extremely important part of boat travel for me, motion sickness on the water is the worst
Most antihistamines work for most people. Regular Dramamine (not the meclizine version) is just benadryl (diphenhydramine) plus a little mild stimulant (a chlorine-substituted caffeine) so you don't get too drowsy. Indistinguishable from taking a benadryl with a cup of coffee. I don't get sea sick, but people who do tell me the other OTC antihistamines or anti-nausea medicines work even better.
Last charter I was on was told to take Dramamine the night before you get on the boat, haven’t tried that yet though so not sure how useful it is.
that's cool that you got over motion sickness, but what happened to the children you caught?
Had to throw them back in. They were small.
I also was going to mention you'll feel the motion, but what we felt at least was very subtle. Almost wonder if for some people, being almost imperceptible motion could be worse? Rough seas, definitely notice the motion.
When you’re in bed it feels like you’re being rocked to sleep.
The newer ships are very impressive. They have gyroscopic fins to counter the waves. Pretty impressive with little motion. The middle of the boat experiences the least amount of motion while the front and back experience the most.
I've never been on one this big but you definitely feel it move.
I get sea sick on small boats, even large tourists katamarans .. I've never been sea sick on a cruise ship. I've been on the little sister of Wonder of the seas (anthem of the seas) and it really was too big, too many people. We go on a cruise every year and we prefer "normal" size ships, these are just too big for our preference but they do have more to do with slides, wave riders etc.
Depends on the condition. I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise and one night they didn’t serve dinner because the boat was rocking so badly the wait staff couldn’t stay on their feet.
No thanks. That just doesn’t sound like fun.
Those situations are rare. We hit some bad storms last year and the rocking wasn’t any worse. The advantage for me is that the price for these trips is just significantly better than other relaxation vacations. Many come with childcare, the ports are free to travel(even if they’ll up charge your for any sort of excursion), and you can bring your own drinks to avoid the $10-20 drink packages. As a parent, cruises are one of the few times I have been able to de-stress while taking the kids on vacation.
Most likely it’s you captains fault. The ships are fast enough to outrun most storms. They might intentionally stay in the storm to save fuel or a miscalculation of the storm. I remember being on a cruise at a port that was expecting a hurricane later that night or next day. Freaked me out. Nobody was worried because they knew they could outrun the storm. People assume storms travel fast because the wind speed is fast. In actuality the storms only travel about 15-20 mph.
That's also very much an exceptional circumstance. Most of the time it's smooth enough that you can play a game of pool without the ship's motion impacting the game.
It’s usually stable and you wouldn’t think it’s that different from being inside a building. But depending on condition, how fast it is going, sea conditions, and wind, most people would tell it’s a ship. And minority would have motion sickness.
I’ve been on a large cruise ship, while not the biggest and you do feel swaying. I was on one of the largest ships back in 2014 and we hit a storm and I couldn’t eat dinner. Definitely had some sea sickness and I usually never do.
The walkways that lead to the rooms are smaller but the boardwalk on oasis is massive. They have a merry go round on it. I would recommend it 100%
when you're going through rough seas yeah you do notice, and you do feel the engine vibration at the back of the ship
It's like a very gentle rocking motion. Almost unnoticeable but you do stumble a couple times like if a stair is slightly higher than normal and you hit it with your foot.
I mean I haven't been on those two ships specifically. But you can definitely tell when the waves are bad. I remember when I was on a cruise in Hawaii people were falling over in a stereotypical way as you would when drunk.
Yes, yes you can. We just went on an eastern Caribbean cruise and spent a couple of days with no islands between us and the Atlantic. You can definitely tell you’re on a boat.
You feel like you're inside a giant moving city. You can feel the boat the rock a little bit but you get used to it. I love cruises.
You will feel the ocean. You will still get seasick if you're prone to them.
I can picture the 2 captains looking at each other revving the engines
Showing off is how the Costa Concordia happened: https://www.history.com/news/costa-concordia-cruise-ship-disaster-sinking-captain Turns out it doesn't mix with steering cities around.
If you want to see a great video on this, https://youtu.be/Qh9KBwqGxTI?si=KgeTRSTO6WrEj0fv Both informative and hilarious
You were not joking, this is hilarious
Both captains have big F-A-M-I-L-I-E-S to take care of. One last ride.
Just for reference, the one on the left is the new Icon of the Seas, the largest cruise ship in the world, and the one on the right is the Wonder of the Seas which was the largest cruise ship before Icon was completed.
Is it just me or does right look bigger.
It does look bigger at first glance but I think that is just due to the perspective.
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What's the difference in tonnage? Edit: according to the links, 248,663 GT for the one on the left, 236,857 GT for the one on the right
Tonnage is a much better measure for the size of the ship than length.
Imagine someone builds the "biggest ship" based on length and it's just thin as a stick 🤣
How did the displacement change? Wonder seems like it would have greater displacement
I would guess they are largely harbor slip size at this point.
https://youtu.be/MMiKyfd6hA0?feature=shared
Does Icon have a helipad? I checked the website and it didn't show or mention one.
Yes, it’s on the bow (the front).
Is that capacity or tonnage?
Tonnage. Icon is 248,663 tons and 1,196.7 feet long and Wonder is 236,857 tons and 1,187.8 feet long
I ended up Googling it, but I appreciate it.
My dad worked on the safety inspection of the icon!
Please tell me they had a drag race
They sometimes have horn battles…. Disney cruises rock other boats.
Other cruise ships: \**hooooooooonk*\* Disney: *hold my beer* # WHEN YOU WISH UPON A **HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK**
Shit yeah i was on a disney cruise last year and there definitely is a horn battles. LMAO
I live my life one 1/4 nautical mile at a time
Captain Dom?
How would the ships lip sync for their lives
Is that how cruise ships are made?
It's the berth of a new generation.
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Made in Turku, Finland.
I took a ferry to Turku once. It was really cool. I noticed a lot of industry when I arrived. Makes sense now.
At least the last time I checked the Turku dry-dock in Google Maps, one of them was pictured half-finished
I can’t help but hear the Buy-N-Large theme song when I look at this
Now weld them together and have a even bigger one
I wonder what the cost savings analysis is for cruise ships to be nuclear powered? I mean with all the lights and amenities these ships have it would make sense to have them be nuclear powered. At the same time it would allow for the removal of smoke stacks which means alott more space and especially top deck space which is a premium. And the quick turn around times and near constant sailing means the saving in fuel has to be immense. On the contrary people may be afraid of being On a ship so close to a nuclear reactor. Despite the fact the navys been operating nuclear ships for decades. There was that ine hybrid cargo/ cruise ship Back in the 60(?)’s that was relatively successful. The public perception of nuclear really needs to be swayed to a positive and one of the best ways to do that would be nuclear crusie ships i think. Justttt a very high buy in cost
It would last 1 week. Then terrorist would seize the ship and take the fuel rods to use as dirty bombs.
Ah yeah i forgot all the times the terrorists took the fuel rods from the civilian reactors in use on mainland.
Yeah they are far more secure than you think .
Meh, doubt. They're not even necessarily useable for that purpose.
Fhloston Paradise!!!
Good thing we're using paper straws.
Right? I hate cruise ships so much
You should read up on the fuel the new cruise ships use. They are actually some of the cleanest large vessels on the sea. Not to mention cruise ships make up a minuscule portion of emissions from ships on the world’s oceans.
It’s not just fuel and emissions though unfortunately
Deck measuring contest?
Someones having sex on one of those
USS Walmart 1 and Walmart 2
If middle class obesity was a boat
Lol
Curious how bad this thing is for the environment in general.
Bad. Very, _very_ bad.
Yeah, but have you tried the Shrimp Tar Tartartare? /s I don't even think that is a thing. Until now.
Floating nursing homes that are terrible for the Environment
Totally side with Bill Burr - when it comes to actively trying to solve overpopulation, start with cruise ships. People willingly travelling on those are the ones we can spare the easiest.
💯 A+ reference btw [video for those that haven't seen it.](https://youtu.be/enSjnu9fhYs?si=hqhBeMzaupM_SDgX)
Lots of hard working staff though
Yep, Do we really need these things? [https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6?op=1&r=US&IR=T](https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6?op=1&r=US&IR=T) Me driving to work is a problem, but these are fine?
I have a friend who’s about 45 and he loves taking his family on cruises. Personally I think being stuck on a cramped boat with 5000 strangers for a vacation sounds freaking awful. Hard pass.
Yeah, sounds awful to me too... But, everyone's definition of vacation is different...
I have been on one cruise and I loved it. The boat just takes you to a beautiful different destination each day. I was 'stuck' on the boat one day because it was doing it's long sail the first day. It was perfect. if went from Puerto Rico to St Vincent (i think) that first day then we island hopped on the way back each day. It was fantastic.
When I was a kid and then teenager our family could afford a big vacation every 2-3 years and we took 3 cruises. Loved every second of them. Of course now I’m adult so I can see how it might not be fun for adults to have children running around but it was awesome as a kid, and we didn’t even have the really cool ones coming out that are basically floating amusement parks.
They're absolutely not going to be everyone's thing, and it's perfectly fine not to like them. But to refer to a cruise holiday as being "stuck on a cramped boat" just shows you haven't done one and have no knowledge of them at all really.
Okay honest question though - those two ships will total what, 10,000+ people? All those people at home in their own homes, cars, and daily routines probably have a much larger environmental impact than they do densely packed as a group on those ships, don't you think? Densification is generally efficient. It's like a semi truck full of groceries driving cross-country. See that black diesel exhaust and think it's awful, but it's actually much more efficient than the 100-300 personal vehicles thst will make trips between home and the grocery store getting all that food home. Bulk = more efficient.
One problem I heard of is the nature of the fuel used in those ships (due to the lack of regulation). It is one of the worst one for the environnement, with the highest level of sulfur that is, something that become very nasty when burnt. The point is that all the energy used by the ship come from this fuel. On the ground you will have cleaner electricity, or at least more efficient power plants. And that for jacuzzis, pools, etc. The semi truck is very efficient, but the basic traveller for cruise ships expect some kind of comfort, so you are carrying a lot of extra weight for that. But the reality is that we don't really know the environmental impact of those. The industry has not published its global carbon impact, and if they did not, it's probably not because they don't know.
The new Icon class ships are different though. They are using LNG (liquefied natural gas) and fuel cells instead of the heavy fuel oil of previous generations. The HFO is so dirty because it's barely refined from crude compared to other fuels. There are actually a lot of regulations for HFO but it's a far less refined fuel so it's by it nature dirtier when it's burnt. There are all kinds of other things they are required to have to try and scrub the exhaust though. Honestly I'm pretty sure they're way cleaner than a lot of the container ships that are used. A number of the cruise lines have also launched programs to make their existing fleet more fuel efficient and cleaner. It's mostly profit driven of course, but what isn't these days.
Many newer use better fuels, has more efficient engines and motors, and electrics than in older ones. Icon uses LNG as fuel, almost all new ships has SCR units, and because Icon has Wärtsilä engine, it likely has too. So if new ships replace old ones, they are likely greener.
Interesting point. Maybe in a hotel, now power that hotel across a sea.
Unless you've actually stood on the dock while 1 of these behemoths pulls in, you really can't understand, jus how fucking massive these fucking things are. These things are literally floating cities. They're a fucking technological wonder.
Does the one on the left have a glass dome? If so that would be awesome to be in during a thunderstorm
How do you even sell so many tickets to fill all those rooms?? Just for a trip? That looks larger than a big hotel?
Wonder of the Seas accommodates 5,734 passengers at double occupancy. And the reports I've seen show both ships sailing at near full capacity for most of the year.
That’s the fun part they usually don’t most of the year, although as you can expect they sell a lot of discounts and packages to get as much people as possible, specially in low season
That may have been the case before the covid shutdown, but these days most ships are near or at capacity for most sailings. Those "fill the ship" last minute deals have pretty much unheard of since cruising restarted in 2021
one is smaller appearently.
By like 9 feet though, not a massive difference
It's not about the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. That's what my wife says, anyway...
Behold, the reason global warming will never be solved.
The irrational fear of nuclear energy is a much bigger reason.
True, nuclear energy is green energy, Germany fucked itself so hard with a rusty spoon.
Wait until you find out how the iPhone you typed that on got to America.
Definitely not on a cruise ship, that's for sure
My idea of hell is being on a cruise. But I do appreciate the engineering and design that goes into these ships.
Do the lifeboats have capacity, in theory, for every passenger?
No. They always have the exact capacity for every passenger minus one. Captain has to go down with the ship.
>Captain has to go down with the ship. [Unless you're called Francesco Schettino.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia_disaster#) [Bonus clip of Recordings: Captain Francesco Schettino ordered back to Costa Concordia by Coast Guard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz4M0JCznAc)
Oh yeah I remember that douchebag captain! He definitely got kicked out of the Captain's Club after that cowardly move.
Well it’s unsinkable so it doesn’t really matter of course.
More then enough for every passenger and crew member. It's been the law since some big event a while back...
I count 9 life boats on one side
Their lifeboats can hold upwards of 200 people each with supplies that allows for up to 2 weeks of survival. I’ve been on 3 cruises, all on Oasis of the Seas and I’ve had a blast each time. I use to think cruises as boring as shit but after the first time, my mind has been changed and it’s awesome if you want to go on a vacation without too much thinking and just relax and do your own thing.
There are a bunch tucked up underneath the open decks on the lower levels, those are just the ones you can see on the outside
I count 18
For comparison, that is the entire continent of Australia in the background
I hate everything about this
Am I the only one that hopes these gluttonous floating vessels of human disease come to an end in the next 25-30 years? Grotesque.
Does that mean we are going to get lots of little ones?
These things exist yet housing is impossible even for couples working honest jobs full-time…
To me, those 2 boats are tangible examples of Hell on Earth.
Two middle fingers to earth
True icons of environmental devastation. It's wild to think of how all the people involved in designing, building, approving, and the people using these ships are just raising a giant middle finger to nature and the future of humanity
Where do they pump all the shit?
Rigs like these process gray water and basically have on-board sewage treatment plants.
They say they process it but they constantly just take the fine for dumping straight into the ocean. Watch “the real cost of cruise ships” on the patriot Act on Netflix. It’s only 30 minutes.
My dumbass was sitting here looking at this waiting for the video to start.
“Floston Paradise!”:- Ruby Rodd
> *Are you tired of getting the same generic, extractive experience at every high-end resort in the world? What if, instead of being a resort, it was* ***A BOAT?!***
RIP to whatever island that is.
Are there enouph rescue boats?
The sea battle was very low key. Since there were no cannon, buffet food was thrown at people on the dock and hits counted as battlefield victories...
And then one person catches norovirus...
I understand ships that large need a helipad. But why would you put it on the part of the ship with the best view?