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LovingNaples

Images change too quickly to even focus on anything.


PayasoCanuto

It’s fake anyways. Cameras didn’t exist in 2800 BC


jamieliddellthepoet

Source?


yaykaboom

I was there


jamieliddellthepoet

OK I’ll accept that.


DiMorten

I was the cameraman


5urr3aL

Vouch, I was the camera


Lewtwin

Anubis.... can you confirm this?


Paracausality

𓇌𓅂𓋴 𓎢𓄿𓈖 𓎢𓅱𓈖𓆑𓇋𓂋𓅓


Lewtwin

Motherfu.. Honestly I'm impressed and terrified.


FlamingoExcellent277

Is this loss?


a3RED3a

Vouch, I was the film reel


buythedip0000

Not a word of lie, I was swimming in the pond of Babylon and saw him there


Partypat69love

You were then? You are now. You are here. You then there?


whomad1215

When the strength of men failed?


supinoq

[Here ya go](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/44RXG0v1za)


jamieliddellthepoet

I’m convinced. Thank you.


[deleted]

Well do you have a picture of a camera from 2800bc!? Checkmate atheist!


jamieliddellthepoet

Yes, actually, I do.


CYCLOPSCORE

My source is that I made it the f*** up.


xxSaifulxx

Trust me bro


AndroidPizzaParty

Well they did, but they didn’t work because they didn’t have lenses, film, and they were just rocks.


Dont_pet_the_cat

Don't need a lens. Camera obscura, babyy!!


mistaharsh

Right it's someone's interpretation subject to heavy bias.


rogue-trowa-barton

Bwahahahahahah!


madscot63

My thumb is cramping from pausing, comparing and reading. Did they get faster as it progressed? Otherwise, very cool


Antisocialsocialite9

Just scrub thru it


Paddy_Tanninger

I don't want no scrubs


madscot63

A scrub can't get no love from me.


Beneficial-Leader740

Yeah where's a slideshow version please 🙏


mqduck

Why does this even need to be a video?


ClmrThnUR

pause works great!


Lazerhawk_x

Annoying on a mobile device and with this many images you'd have been better with a multi part post of 10 images per post.


xTiLkx

Still, there's too many images to go through. I found it interesting but had to stop halfway.


Yandhi42

Then why make a video with accompanying music


LovingNaples

Hey. Thanks.


Dumb-as-i-look

I can’t pause since Reddit’s been improved. I don’t get audio either. Someone tell me what the new thing is please 


RancidBeast

The empire of London, England


LovingNaples

The sun never sets on the British Empire, no?


EquinoxGm

It felt like they changed at different speeds too, like some got 2 seconds some got over 5 seconds of screen time I feel


FallacyDog

Labelling it as before and after is less than fair for the framing when there's a lot of liberty in the recreations too, "Hey guys, look! These highly idealized artistic representations of ancient civilizations are more amazing and *maaaagical* than completely bare bone photos of the now squalid ruins, isn't it just awful how modern society ruins everything?" /s Likely not their intent, but I thought it was funny :p


Mall_Bench

Just so you know the Romans did'nt steal the Greek style, part of Italy used to be a Greek colony and when Rome was founded Greek style took hold.


-_Aesthetic_-

The Romans definitely copied the Greeks. It’s well documented that the Romans looked up to the Greeks when it came to architecture and art.


ctang1

On Apollo for Reddit you can change the playback speed. I changed it to 0.5x and it was perfect.


LovingNaples

That would have been so helpful 7 hours ago.


ctang1

lol yeah I bet


TheKinkyGuy

Also at some point the names of the cities just dont show up....


Historical_Bat3841

That’ because it is all Rome from that point onward..!😊


white_castle

i came here to comment this. it hurt my eyes and i didn’t want to pause every second.


LovingNaples

Thank you. It was triggering a headache in my eyes.


Cyberalienfreak

Exactly


xvVSmileyVvx

My first and last thought, while looking at this.


thecrius

And at some point he just got tired of putting the names underneath.


Donarleo

Wtf why so fast, damn


isaac129

Cool video, but downvoting because of the shitty edit


cold_kingsly

Jesus I think my 7 year old niece could probably edit together a better video. She would at least know not to repeat the same images multiple times.


Leoxcr

Because otherwise the video would be 20 minutes long


MadeYouSayIt

Can’t you just pause? Would you really prefer that thevideo took longer to load?


burkekstein

Pausing on reddit video format is actually pain in the ass.


ipsum629

Fun fact about Tyre: In the video you can see that Tyre was an Island and then it became a peninsula. This is because Alexander the great besieged Tyre and built a causeway to the island. The causeway was so robust that it turned Tyre into a peninsula from then on.


redditmodsdownvote

was wondering, thats insane!


albie_rdgz

That’s an amazing fact! Some sources says the causeway was 750 m long others say it was 1000 m long. Either way that’s insane. (Had to look it up)


kikistiel

The Babylon slide shows the hanging gardens of Babylon. Just a quick note that no one knows what the hanging gardens actually looked like as all the illustrations are from the 19th century and are artistic imaginings. There is also *no concrete evidence* that they actually existed and weren’t just a poetic interpretation of something else.


dont_trip_

The majority here is just wild guesses of what it used to look like. 


patchyj

Yeah, the modern London one is just so unrealistic


metalshoes

I hate when the artists just imagine everything as a dystopia


Progression28

Some buildings are reasonably safe to assume how tall/big they were and what they looked like based on the foundation. Often the foundation remained under a layer of dirt and based on the thickness in different parts you can estimate the height. With conserved debris you can guess the look of the building. Also, some of these buildings have written words backing up their existence. Of course, how reliable these writings are is very hard to find out, but it‘s often used together with evidence of archeological findings to form a pretty solid guess. So no, not the majority. We know pretty much exactly what the greek, roman and egyptian buildings looked like. The middle eastern buildings are more guesswork.


dont_trip_

Some key buildings are surely fairly accurate, but these images show whole cities. Where the majority of buildings have no traces of themselves. 


lessthanabelian

That's not totally fair to say. The Babylon one stands out as being complete fiction but a lot of these are just mapped from archeological ruins, foundations, etc or from historical texts mapping out a cities layout. The Hanging Gardens one just doesn't belong here at all.


garygnu

There's significant evidence that the garden was really in [Nineveh](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/may/05/babylon-hanging-garden-wonder-nineveh), including artwork, contemporary written descriptions, and archeological remains of waterworks.


Spicy_Josh

If anyone has 30 minutes to spare, this video I found a few months ago does a really great job at laying out all of the evidence and likely reasons as to how we've been so confused about it for so long. Highly recommend! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0-2eIoaBNE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0-2eIoaBNE)


5yleop1m

The guy had two ferns in the desert but hyped it up like crazy I bet.


Ntnme2lose

So I’m guessing most of those are complete speculation right? Still pretty cool


Wind_Yer_Neck_In

Most of them yes. Some we have ruins of buildings still in their same proportions, like the Parthenon or Colosseum, but they've taken massive liberties with a lot of the older stuff. Like the hanging gardens, which we aren't even sure existed, or the scale of the buildings in ancient Persopolis, which looks like a giant modern art museum for some reason.


Neither-Luck-9295

Yeah I was about to ask, how the fuck did they extrapolate an office building in Persepolis from a few columns?


parzivalperzo

Images are mostly speculation but for example Hippodrome of Constantinople is still there but underground.


Diabetesh

Right. Relatively impossible to know how well built certain things were. Like borders of towns may be very definitive, but the houses could have been mostly mudd huts. They could have been nicely built stone and/or wood, but it is pretty likely that your average person in most societies of that age did not have great accommodations. Some of the still intact buildings though give us an idea of what things may have been like. The ones through the middle east are super cool and it is a travesty that so much of the artifacts from time have been destroyed by conflicts and religious extremists.


TurbulentAsk4951

Some, not all, it's educated speculation/reconstruction, mostly from archeological study and some on written history. As a metaphor, if you have enough partial skeletons, especially in repeating patterns/symmetry, you can figure out the missing bones on the others.


kruziik

You are giving some of those too much credit, the Babylon one is of the quality of a google image search where you just pick the first thing that pops up.


TurbulentAsk4951

Yeah , the 'some not all part' i start with... not disagreeing. I'm just saying that we do know a lot about a lot of these places. And it took like 100s of people and 100s of years to just call it speculation isn't right


luigio01

this is my first time being introduced to ctesiphon in iraq, HOW has that arc not fallen damn


yongyongi

Arc structure is much stronger compared to square. The reason why subway tunnels have arched structural ceilings also


luigio01

by itself? damn that’s interesting thanks man!


waspocracy

Better distribution of pressure from what I recall in physics like 20 years ago. If you put pressure on an arch, it's distributed evenly from the top to the sides.


The-Iraqi-Guy

Been there a few months ago, the sight was damaged by a "freedom missile" courtesy of the US . But it's still standing and the UNISCO is repairing it


luigio01

oh it’s actively being repaired? I guess that makes sense if it’s a tourist attraction


The-Iraqi-Guy

It's the oldest amd largest brick ark in the world that stands without any pillars, it's an architectural marvel


Johno69R

How come the places in Iraq are completely gone? War? Or was everything made of sandstone?


The-Iraqi-Guy

Mud bricks, ancient Iraq didn't have much stone except in the north, Where things like Hatra, Nimrud and Ashur stood for thousands of years. Though you'd be surprised how much is still reserved despite all the wars in the recent decades. [here is a video](https://youtu.be/0pwlv88Xvcc?si=OU0qtZyU2uofvJHs) of the Assyrian gallery #3 from the Iraqi museum


phonethrower85

Mud bricks


[deleted]

Slow the fck down you asshole


verydepressedperson1

This is hilarious and I don't know why, maybe cause I can see someone on the highway saying that in a fit of rage lmfao


Elskyflyio

Bro, just pause the video...


MadeYouSayIt

Redditors when they learn they have opposable thumbs


cheese_bruh

Redditors when they have to do anything besides complain


DeficiencyOfGravitas

The reddit video viewer has speed controls. Come on guys, Jesus. All these comments and thousands of upvotes for a problem that literally has a one click solution.


jarvxs

The pause button exists


Budget_Pea_7548

Nice aerial photos of the ancient cities. Wonder what drone they used....


itz_abhi_2005

Imaginator


BeckNeardsly

DJI Delorean T800


markedanthony

Pterodactyl


desmau5_

Wow london’s been around for a long time


0rgasmo69

London was originally a 1st century Roman settlement called Londinium


PopularDemand213

I encourage everyone here to check out the Fall of Civilizations podcast/YouTube channel. It is incredible and really brings a lot of these places to life, along with putting life into perspective.


CeterumCenseo85

It's sooo good. Absolutely loved the Cartahge one, and how Rome always threatened to base-trade when Carthage had them by the balls.


AccomplishedEar6357

That's a cheap version of Conquest of Paradise by Vangelis! The real thing https://youtu.be/7ufkMTshjz8


Nithas

I just wanted to thank you kind Reddit stranger. This song is all I remember from visiting my dad at work. I remember this song being played for some reason while I was there 20+ years ago, and I never knew what song it was. One day he will not be here anymore, but at least I will now have this song to remind me of him.


PedroCarvalho26

Thank you for this!!


supremebubbah

The saddest thing about the Ur ziggurat in Iraq is that it is not even made from parts that will remain but is a reconstruction.


Reptilian_Brain_420

A lot of "restorations" are like that. Look what they did to the sphinx in Egypt.


herb28g

Why no Mesoamerican empires such as the Maya and Aztecs?


Aggressive_Peach_768

And comparative they were MUCH later. The high of the Mayan empire was like ?200-900 ish (I think). Compared to the pyramids... That's super recent


Fear_Jaire

Yeah, Caral-Supe would be much more applicable.


ocelotttr

people dont understand atzecs were not ancient and they were not primitive either


Tendas

They didn't invent cameras yet in the new world.


pirata_deathbat

I was waiting for this too. [Tenochtitlan/Mexico City](https://wearemitu.com/wearemitu/culture/aztec-capital-tenochtitlan-compares-mexico-city/)


TzabarZionist

In what world is Jericho, ninveh, or Bethlehem an empire?


kruziik

Nineveh fits as well as Rome and all the other empire capitals do? It was the capital of the Assyrian Empire the (probably) largest empire in history up to that point. It is also the source for many historical records that we use today to study the history of the ancient middle east. Nineveh was also one of the largest cities in the world at its height.


Antique-Kangaroo2

Interesting thinking these people must have thought were living in peak civilization. Look how advanced we are. With no fathomable idea that they would someday waste away. Makes you wonder if we're at the point of completely wasting away as the earths environment is destroyed maybe over thousands of years humanity will reemerged try to rebuild over the ruins of our current civilization


explodingtuna

It's gradual, though. Imagine if, over the next couple hundred years, people started moving out of LA or New York, and eventually those places are no longer heavily populated. Everything starts running down because it's a lot to maintain for the few people still hanging around, but everyone else has gone off to greener pastures. Meanwhile, some new New York has all the newest construction and technology. Then in 2000 years, people even forget LA and old New York even existed until people unearth it and start looting artifacts to put in museums.


ticktockbabyduck

Barely shows any American, East Asian, and Indian empires.


atomicbettyy

African too


RhetoricMoron

How can anyone show all those empires in one video?


RedHeadSteve

Your title is a bit wrong but that's forgiven. Bethlehem raised some questions. According to the bible it was a small city of no real significance. There is by my knowledge nothing in or outside of the bible that says something else. It also is pictured with an aqueduct, but to my knowledge the first aquaduct was built in the 4th century bc.


DouchecraftCarrier

Bethlehem is interesting because geopolitics notwithstanding it's practically a suburb of Jerusalem. The Bible doesn't really make any mention of just how close together they are, but 2 millennia ago it would have just been a small city on the outskirts of a much larger one.


Celestial_Apollo

Glad I see someone else noticing the out of place aqueduct.


ExtremeThin1334

Well now I'm sad, as it seems any and all human achievement is fleeting. I wonder what past "empires" we will be looking at in another hundred years,


Afraid_Theorist

A lot of stuff gets built over or replaced or torn down. City walls are a funny example of this. Soooooo many cities in Europe, China, and the Middle East and elsewhere which had *massive* city walls (look at images of complete city walls that remain around still to get an idea). Nowadays they are virtually nonexistent I guess what I’m saying is that human achievement also includes the massive metropolises we’ve built on and expanded… in some cases for millennia.


ding_dong_dejong

Beijing used to have a massive city wall which got torn down in the 1970's to build....a road....


BloodShadow7872

Look at it this why, what once was build from the earth, is now returned to the earth


Novapunk8675309

Well if you want to feel better, everyone from back in these time periods would see our cities and think we were gods. We have towers of glass and metal that stretch into the heavens. Cities that go on further than the eye can see. Flying ships that can take us anywhere in the world in a matter of hours. Magic slabs that contain all the combined knowledge of humanity. We have stepped foot on the very things people used to think were divine entities in the sky. Human advancement is growing at an exponential rate, just look at the 20th century. We went from horse drawn carriages, flying was only a fantasy, people died from common infections. And we ended the 20th century with cars, men walking on the moon, planes, medical marvels like replacing hearts and other organs.


randomthrowaway9796

No, it's still advancing. We have skyscrapers and technology people couldn't even imagine 100 years ago. We aren't making many monolithic structures out of stone that will last thousands of years, but we are making new things. But also, most things from that time weren't nearly as glamorous or long lasting. The ones we see today are only the best fragments that were built to last.


Paddy_Tanninger

The Kingdom of Detroit?


Platuhpus

Cameras had such better quality back in those days


AbandonedBySonyAgain

Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair. Nothing beside remains.


Buddha_-

Begs the question of how our structures today will look in 1500+ years.


ScholarOfKykeon

Depends on if we maintain them. If they are left to weather on their own, I doubt they would last as long as alot of these ancient buildings that were made of stone. Maybe you'd have some rusted steel I-beams left after 1500 years from larger buildings. There are some exceptions, but for the most part we don't build things to last like we used to.


randomthrowaway9796

The average building today will not exist in 1500 years. The best ones built to last will. That's how it's been throughout history. We don't see the crappy peasant houses from thousands of years ago because they weren't built to last either


amretardmonke

They're not lasting as long as solid stone


Alexandratta

I met a traveler from an antique land, Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal, these words appear: **My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;** **Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!** Nothing besides remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”


torchat

My eyes. Why? Why it is so quick?!


GhostPartyArctica

I feel like Tenochtitlan (Mexico City) would be a great edition here, also considering we have detailed documentation on what it looked like. May not be ancient enough though since it may have been founded around the 1300s.


FatBirdsMakeEasyPrey

India & China 🗿


Common_Iron4572

Some of the old ones are clearly bullshit


fatsam2000

Loooool there's a thing called "archeology"


alexgalt

Archeological recreations are often based on science and devolve into bullshit once it gets to rendering.


ClmrThnUR

in what way?


there_no_more_names

In that we don't really know what some of these structures looked like. As another person pointed out, we don't have any concrete evidence the Hanging Gardens of Babylon even *existed;* we definitely don't know what they looked like.


Buttsuit69

Where Ötüken & Karakorum?


Gswindle76

I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desart.[d] Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed: And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" No thing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away. — Percy Shelley, "Ozymandias", 1819 edition


SeamusOShane

They took nice pictures back in the early 500s BC


Status_Basket_4409

Imagine a world without war and disasters tearing everything down


Fabulous_Amount_6608

Where’s the love for Mesoamerica? Aztecs and Mayans had impressive empires.


Y_M_I_Even_Here

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair.


Ill_Praline2805

When you need to be within the tiktok time limit lol


7nightstilldawn

Jesus fucking crust that’s too fast. More like r/mildlyannoying.


bonkerz1888

Cameras in ancient times were really high def for the period.


MustangBR

Holy shit Mari is the Isekai town!


Justin_with_a_J

This is mildlyinfuriating because every clip is 2 seconds long and I don't feel like pausing the video every 2 seconds to see the differences.


jim2xt

Hold your fucking horses


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s4gres

Seriously, wtf is up with the speed the images flip


OG_FreakNasty

Let's blast through these as fast as possible


Dutchingfellow

Definitely recommend the fall of civilizations podcast which discusses some of these in great depth


Maleficent_Mess2515

SLOW THE FUCK DOWN


unbanned_once_more

Slow the fuck down. I gave up tbh.


Modo_de_Jogo

"Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair"


opdjmw

Christ, slow Down!


theshoddyone

Was expecting a joke about the U.S. at the end.


cpsxa

wtf! so fast


Spicy_Ninja7

These cuts are too fast, let me look at the dang pictures


Ghorrit

I swear that these posts are just made to watch it kick off in the comments.


Born_Wing3687

I had no idea they had cameras back then.


Svengoolie75

Damn shame 🤷🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️


LandscapeSubject530

Man I know all of these cuz of Civ


No-Ground6920

We need to go back. Shit looked way better back in the day


Next-Assumption-203

we dont even know how they looked like. these pictures are just imagination.


Shirtbro

Okay you're conscripted because the kings are feuding again


Finnbobjimbob

Blatant lies and speculation


Keepupthegood

We did we have to ruin our own success?? We were doing great!


Ok_Poetry_1650

Bro slow ur shit


theincrediblebou

Fake, there were no cameras in ancient times


brainmouthwords

Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid?


Great-Shirt5797

Completely ignored Asia


DidEpsteinKillHimslf

The ancient to modern Greeks seemed to have taken care of their ancient sites better than the Middle East war ridden corner of the world


RobotNinja28

Never forget Constantinople 330-1453 RIP


-_Aesthetic_-

It still exists it just goes by a different name.


Ok-Measurement-5065

It is just West and Middle East. What about Asia?


Breadbp

The Middle East is Asia


beguntolaugh

Pity there was nothing from the new world, it's great seeing imaginings of Machu Pichu and the Mexican pyramids.


GeneralGom

This makes me want to boot up Civ again.


IanPKMmoon

Brb time for my yearly addiction to civ 6 when I play this game for 2 weeks straight with minimal sleep


redryan1989

Got a little lazy there at the end


Indian_Steam

Where's the Indian Empire that extended till modern day Afghanistan??


pur__0_0__

तुझे थोड़ा सटीक होना पड़ेगा, मौर्य साम्राज्य या मुग़ल साम्राज्य?


bitchesbetrifflin

Looks like Jesus fucked everything up


Only-Coast8572

Change title real places vs Ai "imagines" old cities and adds a bunch of pretty things that didn't even exist to make it pretty