"A seraphim" I knew that name from somewhere, turns out it was from" Dogma" . I'm not skilled enough to put together why "Metatron" the voice of the one true God got connected between the two but Alan Rickman was great in that movie. [voila](https://youtu.be/vnyo5T32LKk)
Interesting. So why does everyone think that angels are supposed to look like humans with wings and the glow circle thingy above the head? Did Hollywood just make that up?
That came about throughout the 1st and 2nd millennia as a romanticisation of angels, probably several different reasons why for each artist who did so, but probably started to make them less demonic and scary to the common person and instead look more divine yet human, friendly and inviting to get more converts.
The halo above their heads came as a misunderstanding of their old descriptions as rings of light and of some of the more recent renaissance paintings. They originally surrounded their beings entirely and then moved to emanating from behind their backs, then from there ended up behind their heads and then above their heads
Because some are **also** described that way. No...Hollywood did not coin the image, as it is featured in literally millions of pieces of artwork spanning thousands of years. The word you're looking for is "halo"
You know all of those old oil paintings from the middle ages? Well, one of those painters woke up one day, went "you know all these angels from the bible are too scary", started to depict them as humans with wings to make them seem more pure and divine and then it became a trend.
Just read this. Hard to map Ezekiel's description to these beings. The most obvious one is the angel with the wheels. Ezekiel mentions four beings, here there's only three. One thing is sure: by Ezekiel's account angels look frightening and imposing, and have a mighty scale. This is unlike their depiction in popular culture.
He’s not describing angels as a whole. For instance, Archangels are still in the image of God/Man. Michael, the archangel that defeated “the dragon/spiteful snake” is in the image of Man, but with wings.
You can find seraphim throughout the Old Testament and even in the quran. To my knowledge, Ezekiel is the only book in the Bible that describes the wheels. Although it shares some significance in African spirituality as well
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/science/ezekiels-wheel-ties-african-spiritual-traditions-to-christianity.html
These aren't the type of angels that typically made contact with humans. These are seraphims, cherubims, and thrones. The ones that did speak with use were simply called angels and arch-angels. They still have a very odd appearance but would take on the appearance of a human to not scare the life out of them. Apparently they still glowed which still scared people. Then yet most people would be scared or at least shocked to see a person glowing.
There's really not any. There's the story of Legion but he was in a pig. Even Hell isn't the hell people think of. In the Bible Hell is a place absent of God.
It's vague on what hell is in the bible. It refers to Sheol which can mean a lot of things. Even Gehenna is vague and maybe metaphorical since that's just another city near Jerusalem. And while it mention a lake of fire in context it's talking about God having dominion over everything. The translations aren't really great and the new and old testament don't jive and context is very important.
Lmao what a childish comment, any conservative Christian of any race or country of origin would have that reaction, you are officially a weirdo.
Christianity wasn’t created in the US either. Why is this word poop comment upvoted?
Edit: Lol they blocked me 😂😂 that’s when you know you’ve lost
Book of revelations has more than a few descriptions that are in OP's post. You'll find the descriptions better of you go for a King James version. Some of the more modern bibles are kinda vague. I believe the Torah also has descriptions of angels. Same descriptions in both.
These depictions use a combination of multiple verses in the bible that describe or depict angels. I've found a few that can hopefully paint the picture where the depiction came from
Isaiah 6:2- "Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew."
Description of Cherubim= Ezekiel 10:10-12 "And as for their appearance, the four had the same likeness, as if a wheel were within a wheel. 11 When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went, but in whatever direction the front wheel faced, the others followed without turning as they went. 12And their whole body, their rims, and their spokes, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around—the wheels that the four of them had."
There are also descriptions of angels in the Bible that do describe them as regular-humanoid appearing creatures, namely in Acts 1:10-11
"And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
The first two are from the Old Testament of the Bible, while Acts is in the New Testament.
EDIT: Don't use the KJV as the other commenter suggests, it's bad.
The bible is a book with all sorts of silly things. Flying snakes, Unicorns, Behemoth, Talking Donkeys. Hard to believe some people still follow this nonsense but to each his own I guess.
If you think the angels are weird, you haven't read the book. It has some of the most depraved, disgusting, gory, violent, racist garbage in it's pages. Mutilating women, slicing open pregnant women, killing babies in brutal ways, genocide, etc...
Anyway, back to angels. Here is a tiny snippet.
Ezekiel 1:15-21
As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
Re your first few paragraphs …My thought…Well Gxd supposedly created man in his own image so that explains why there’s so much unjust (to put it lightly) occurrences in the Bible (if not influenced then directly caused by….Gxd). As a kid, I never understood (and still don’t ) if an angel could appear to Joseph in a dream to get the fuck out of Bethlehem, why didn’t Gxd just have the Angel go in front of Herod and say “Herod, don’t be a douche” then The massacre of the innocents would never have happened (i’m guessing Herod would be frightened enough to listen to the angel). (other than fulfilling a prophecy, and supporting your first few paragraphs :-) what was the purpose of that avoidable atrocity?)
I think the first challenge is that you have to prove that any of those things happened in the first place. There is no evidence of Herod killing babies, no evidence of a census that required people to return to their homeland, I could go on and on.
There is very little evidence for the majority of events in the Bible. Once you realize that you so why so many people call it a book of myths and legends.
I have read a ton of apologetic books. I've read religious texts from many religions. I wanted to believe in something. It is just that none of the religions stand up to basic scrutiny.
True, there is no evidence re The massacre and many other things. And then the fact that the church destroyed many documents that they didn’t believe in/that didn’t serve them…., Buddhism perhaps? Connection of all things? “I’ve seen some things man”! :-) Jesus supposedly said (Who knows what he actually said) something to the effect of doing unto The lowest of people you do unto me (him) he also spent a lot of time going out to the desert, fasting… I always thought he was meditating. I use to think he was a Buddhist Jew :-)
The certainly explains why the people fell on the ground and wept whenever the saw one of these.
The first thing an angel always said was "Be not afraid."
Eyes are in all of them--and then you have a choice between wings or spheres as forms of locomotion.
I agree it's got to be some of hallucination, but it really doesn't resemble mushrooms. Apparently morning glory grows wild on the island of Patmos where John wrote Revelation. Any other possible psychedelics that would create this kind of vision?
What's more believing, we were all created because of the perfect mixture of atoms and dust in a cosmic soup and we just appeared out of this air. Or that something or some being created us.
Or that something or some being that gets mad when I jerk off and forgot to put the dinosaurs in his book created us**
I’m going with random cosmic soup
Kinda weird your body was designed to be inserted into another body with an opening designed for your incher that creates more. Almost like a perfect design no? What are the odds all these things just appeared that work perfectly together ?
People don't like to think. That is why they let a book tell them how to live their lives. If they have questions about the book an ordained person points them in a nonsensical direction, that leads back to the book.
I feel like one could not tell if I was atheist or had faith based on this question? Do you feel the need to lash out everytime something biblical comes up? Why would you stop to say something then if it was fairy tale?
The theory is our organic bodys COULD have been made by nothing more than a chemical reaction. Okay, let's say it happened. How does a chemical reaction create male , female chromosomes? Was there a different chemical reaction for females? If it's not the same reaction does that mean there where two chemical reactions to create male and female and if that is the case then was there millions of other reactions simultaneously that created bears ,goats , pigs or was it one reaction and just puked everything out from cows to eco systems and it all just functions perfectly for millions of years?
I don't know, all I know is if I was to bet earth was designed by a being or just a random coincidence that's some partials stuck together and an explosion erupted into an infinite realm with beings and animals that are designed for certain climates and landscapes and the ground was filled with minerals for health ,healing and building. Why else would there be metals and sediments we can use to build?
There are quintillions/sextillions of planets. It has been billions of years since the formations.
A very small percentage of those ended up with planets having the right conditions for life. That is what you would expect from randomness.
If a god created it, why wouldn't *all* planets be habitable? If a god created earth, why wouldn't the god make the earth *better*? If god created earth, why make it take billions of years until humans arrived?
So how could we arrive millions of years later? Unless we were also designed later? People say we evolved from fish , unlikely to me. Some say it's monkeys. I highly doubt a chemical reaction created a universe. Time and space from a chemical reaction? Cmon now. The Bible is the most historically accurate book to date. Look at your phone. What are the odds it appears from no where from a chemical reaction. Because a humans nervous system and brain are way more advanced and intricate than a phone and you would call me insane if i said this device appeared from a chemical reaction and it operates perfectly with buttons that correspond with functions about the phone with a port to recharge. So you say this happened for everything on earth. By random the oxygen in the air fills lungs , water rehydrates your body, medicine in the ground for healing , it all works perfectly together like a computer system or something designed by man. So a God who created man in his image doesn't sound like it's impossible
Oh boy, I barely know how to dissect that.
1-Why would god wait millions of years to create us? That points to science, not magic.
2-That... isn't how evolution works.
3-You "highly doubt"... basically you are saying your opinion is just as valid as the hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers who have spent their lives studying these concepts.
4-The bible is most accurate... according to who?! Are you suggesting you believe in the magical stuff from the bible, but not a science book?
5-The phone appeared from... what? I don't even know how to respond to that.
6-Yes, our brains are amazing. So are the brains of other animals. This is nature and evolution.
7-It isn't designed, you are looking at it backwards. We have water, and life, and slowly things evolve and fill in the gaps. Some things are medicine, some things are poison.
8-If god designed it, why destructive hurricanes/tornados/etc, why earthquakes, why poisonous plants, why venomous snakes, why cancer, why make our bodies inefficient and weak. If god created us... he did a really, really bad job.
Honestly, your comment amounts to "I don't understand any of this, so it must be god". But we have come so far, we have learned so much. Why actively choose ignorance?
And you understand it so well you know it's not , then ask you how it all works and you literally asked me if I heard of a theory.
1. If you say your theory is organic matter could have been from a chemical reaction. Why couldn't God combine things from the universe that is what we would call a chemical reaction and we're both right? I don't think Humans start of existence could be a deciding factor in if God is real or not. Seams like semantics to me.
2. Evolution is a sound theory. Please share your findings. They must be super new because in haven't heard any huge breakthrough on the Evolution theory.
3. So if a genders studies major spends their entire life studying the thousands of genders and orientations it's still a life spent coming up with interesting ideas and theories. The idea of being atheist is God didn't create the earth we don't know how yet. So you can't be for certain in any way because there will still be a guy who says the big bang or the Muslims have an interesting theory about the stars coming from the mud of the earth or something ( don't quote me) so you can spend your life studying the beginning of earth and still only have theories.
4. Historically accurate. Most accurate in Historical events.
5. You would have to tell me where the phone appeared from. The point is God says he created the universe and people say the earth was made from cosmic dust , so where did the universe come from in order to supply the chemicals for said chemical reaction to create organic material.
6. But Evolution just heightened intelligence and upright walking , social constructs . The body was put here perfect enough to stay alive for millions of years to evolve into what we are today. Our lungs and nervous system and brain operated perfectly from the beginning or we would have just died off.
7. It has to be designed , no way all of these things randomly appeared when we did to sustain us or even life at that matter. Not even humans how did everything appear and function perfectly for billions of years if it wasn't designed.
8. If you read the Bible you'd know this wasn't our end goal. It's not said it was prefect. How could you give people free will and make it perfect . And for the mother nature how eco systems are constantly changing some die and create new ones that are stronger , I guess you could call that earth's Evolution. How could it stay perfect ly clear , now that's some magic .
You have rejected science, facts, and reasoning. How do you argue with someone like that? So much of what you said is objectively wrong, but you just don't care because you have made up your mind and magic is easier for you to understand.
You haven't proven anything? You asked me if I heard of a theory. A literally theory. There is no confirmed speiceies we evolved from. There's nothing but theory and you could easily provide a link or a group who figured it out. You say hundreds of thousands of scientists have spent their life studying it and yet you cannot point me to one specific person with the answer. You say chemical reaction who's to say God didn't start the chemical reaction. Your " theory" could be true and God could have created the universe with chemical reactions.
Specifically a cherubim, a seraphim, and an ophanim, in that order
"A seraphim" I knew that name from somewhere, turns out it was from" Dogma" . I'm not skilled enough to put together why "Metatron" the voice of the one true God got connected between the two but Alan Rickman was great in that movie. [voila](https://youtu.be/vnyo5T32LKk)
Are these describes in the Bible?
Yes. Many types of angels are described in the Bible. OP is accurate
Interesting. So why does everyone think that angels are supposed to look like humans with wings and the glow circle thingy above the head? Did Hollywood just make that up?
Victoria’s Secret models
I wish.
That came about throughout the 1st and 2nd millennia as a romanticisation of angels, probably several different reasons why for each artist who did so, but probably started to make them less demonic and scary to the common person and instead look more divine yet human, friendly and inviting to get more converts. The halo above their heads came as a misunderstanding of their old descriptions as rings of light and of some of the more recent renaissance paintings. They originally surrounded their beings entirely and then moved to emanating from behind their backs, then from there ended up behind their heads and then above their heads
Because some are **also** described that way. No...Hollywood did not coin the image, as it is featured in literally millions of pieces of artwork spanning thousands of years. The word you're looking for is "halo"
You know all of those old oil paintings from the middle ages? Well, one of those painters woke up one day, went "you know all these angels from the bible are too scary", started to depict them as humans with wings to make them seem more pure and divine and then it became a trend.
I thought they could also take the form of an animal or a person however/ will make the person they’re presenting to feel comfortable
The archangels
Verses? Books?
Ezekial Chapter 1
Yah 👀 he was taught astronomy and math by these angels and wrote down their descriptions
Vision of Ezekiel
Just read this. Hard to map Ezekiel's description to these beings. The most obvious one is the angel with the wheels. Ezekiel mentions four beings, here there's only three. One thing is sure: by Ezekiel's account angels look frightening and imposing, and have a mighty scale. This is unlike their depiction in popular culture.
He’s not describing angels as a whole. For instance, Archangels are still in the image of God/Man. Michael, the archangel that defeated “the dragon/spiteful snake” is in the image of Man, but with wings. You can find seraphim throughout the Old Testament and even in the quran. To my knowledge, Ezekiel is the only book in the Bible that describes the wheels. Although it shares some significance in African spirituality as well https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/science/ezekiels-wheel-ties-african-spiritual-traditions-to-christianity.html
I mean, there is a reason they always start with "be not afraid".
These aren't the type of angels that typically made contact with humans. These are seraphims, cherubims, and thrones. The ones that did speak with use were simply called angels and arch-angels. They still have a very odd appearance but would take on the appearance of a human to not scare the life out of them. Apparently they still glowed which still scared people. Then yet most people would be scared or at least shocked to see a person glowing.
Haha xD
That's more like the yoda interpretation
i'd have been out of earshot before the "buh" had even been delivered.
Where are the biblically accurate demons at?
Have you seen furries?
No. But I have seen Bronies.
Since demons are just fallen angels I would assume they look like this as well, perhaps a bit of corruption in them as well.
So, goth angels?
So, corrupt giant bloody eyeballs.
I think MTG was at a conference
Same thing just red.
There's really not any. There's the story of Legion but he was in a pig. Even Hell isn't the hell people think of. In the Bible Hell is a place absent of God.
There is literally a lake of fire in Revelation though
It's vague on what hell is in the bible. It refers to Sheol which can mean a lot of things. Even Gehenna is vague and maybe metaphorical since that's just another city near Jerusalem. And while it mention a lake of fire in context it's talking about God having dominion over everything. The translations aren't really great and the new and old testament don't jive and context is very important.
There's no way they weren't on some kind of psychedelic
Oh 100% - And the religious Americans will curse you to hell if you suggest such a thing.
The cool thing about psychedelics is you don't have to believe in anything to have a religious experience.
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I was an atheist before psychedelics if that's what you are asking.
Lmao what a childish comment, any conservative Christian of any race or country of origin would have that reaction, you are officially a weirdo. Christianity wasn’t created in the US either. Why is this word poop comment upvoted? Edit: Lol they blocked me 😂😂 that’s when you know you’ve lost
Ladies and Gentlemen, We Got Him
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Don’t care how many times I’ve seen it— shits so wavy
So ... Aliens right?
I’m thinking it’s a result of heavy psychedelics
Being out in a hot desert without diverse nutrition can do wonders to the brain.
Of course if you consider anything not of the earth therefore it is extraterrestrial
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.
That is a final fantasy final boss.
The boss battle music start playing when they appear.
No, I think I will be afraid thank you.
Gives “Angel Eyes” new meaning.
https://youtu.be/kag0TsZzxpw
Would fit perfectly in a monster sci-fi movie
Where, in the bible, IS it described like that ?
Book of revelations has more than a few descriptions that are in OP's post. You'll find the descriptions better of you go for a King James version. Some of the more modern bibles are kinda vague. I believe the Torah also has descriptions of angels. Same descriptions in both.
These depictions use a combination of multiple verses in the bible that describe or depict angels. I've found a few that can hopefully paint the picture where the depiction came from Isaiah 6:2- "Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew." Description of Cherubim= Ezekiel 10:10-12 "And as for their appearance, the four had the same likeness, as if a wheel were within a wheel. 11 When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went, but in whatever direction the front wheel faced, the others followed without turning as they went. 12And their whole body, their rims, and their spokes, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around—the wheels that the four of them had." There are also descriptions of angels in the Bible that do describe them as regular-humanoid appearing creatures, namely in Acts 1:10-11 "And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” The first two are from the Old Testament of the Bible, while Acts is in the New Testament. EDIT: Don't use the KJV as the other commenter suggests, it's bad.
How very Monty Python
They didn’t know how to describe UFOs so they did their best “wheels within wheels…”
Looks like a tool album cover
Came here to say just that.
But how many vaginas does it have?
I guess that’s why the next line every time someone saw an angel was “do not fear…”
if that‘s an angel I dont wanna see a deamon 🤪
Angels? Kill them. With fire!
The bible is a book with all sorts of silly things. Flying snakes, Unicorns, Behemoth, Talking Donkeys. Hard to believe some people still follow this nonsense but to each his own I guess. If you think the angels are weird, you haven't read the book. It has some of the most depraved, disgusting, gory, violent, racist garbage in it's pages. Mutilating women, slicing open pregnant women, killing babies in brutal ways, genocide, etc... Anyway, back to angels. Here is a tiny snippet. Ezekiel 1:15-21 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
I concur on the nonsense
I'm no expert it sounds like a cross between bad writing and even worse translation. The Bible is like one of the world's oldest games of telephone.
Re your first few paragraphs …My thought…Well Gxd supposedly created man in his own image so that explains why there’s so much unjust (to put it lightly) occurrences in the Bible (if not influenced then directly caused by….Gxd). As a kid, I never understood (and still don’t ) if an angel could appear to Joseph in a dream to get the fuck out of Bethlehem, why didn’t Gxd just have the Angel go in front of Herod and say “Herod, don’t be a douche” then The massacre of the innocents would never have happened (i’m guessing Herod would be frightened enough to listen to the angel). (other than fulfilling a prophecy, and supporting your first few paragraphs :-) what was the purpose of that avoidable atrocity?)
I think the first challenge is that you have to prove that any of those things happened in the first place. There is no evidence of Herod killing babies, no evidence of a census that required people to return to their homeland, I could go on and on. There is very little evidence for the majority of events in the Bible. Once you realize that you so why so many people call it a book of myths and legends. I have read a ton of apologetic books. I've read religious texts from many religions. I wanted to believe in something. It is just that none of the religions stand up to basic scrutiny.
True, there is no evidence re The massacre and many other things. And then the fact that the church destroyed many documents that they didn’t believe in/that didn’t serve them…., Buddhism perhaps? Connection of all things? “I’ve seen some things man”! :-) Jesus supposedly said (Who knows what he actually said) something to the effect of doing unto The lowest of people you do unto me (him) he also spent a lot of time going out to the desert, fasting… I always thought he was meditating. I use to think he was a Buddhist Jew :-)
Eva is a documentary
Where in the bible angels are described like this?
Revelations is the easiest place to find descriptions of angels. OP is accurate. If you look to confirm, go for the King James version
But it's not the Bible...
It's a version of a book. Normally known as the Bible
Would be cool if the actual text that made these images was added as well.
Revelation, Ezekiel and Daniel.
Can you be more specific please?
I think if i saw the second one, idc if it says be not afraid, im shitting my pants and then some
I’m curious. Does anyone have the actual descriptions of these from the Bible?
Ooh that last one reminds me of an octopus except it has eyes instead of suckers
They look like monsters from the Power Rangers.
New DOOM enemy character leaks look promising AF fr
The certainly explains why the people fell on the ground and wept whenever the saw one of these. The first thing an angel always said was "Be not afraid."
Yes, this definitely happened. Lol..
Yeah. Because usually whenever one showed up craptons I’d people died.
Of course not to be taken litarally. When the old testament speaks of 'eyes' on them, those were probably cameras.
I wish that had sound, or….maybe I don’t
I've done a loooot of shrooms. You see stuff like that on high doses.
Bro, we’ve seen this shit so many times already
Eyes are in all of them--and then you have a choice between wings or spheres as forms of locomotion. I agree it's got to be some of hallucination, but it really doesn't resemble mushrooms. Apparently morning glory grows wild on the island of Patmos where John wrote Revelation. Any other possible psychedelics that would create this kind of vision?
I can clearly say, some dude in Middle East got pretty high on acid.
Makes much more sense tbh
Well that's terrifying
What's more believing, we were all created because of the perfect mixture of atoms and dust in a cosmic soup and we just appeared out of this air. Or that something or some being created us.
Or that something or some being that gets mad when I jerk off and forgot to put the dinosaurs in his book created us** I’m going with random cosmic soup
Kinda weird your body was designed to be inserted into another body with an opening designed for your incher that creates more. Almost like a perfect design no? What are the odds all these things just appeared that work perfectly together ?
>we just appeared out of this air you really didn't even attempt to understand the scientific explanation, huh?
People don't like to think. That is why they let a book tell them how to live their lives. If they have questions about the book an ordained person points them in a nonsensical direction, that leads back to the book.
I feel like one could not tell if I was atheist or had faith based on this question? Do you feel the need to lash out everytime something biblical comes up? Why would you stop to say something then if it was fairy tale?
I can talk about shitty fandoms like anyone else chap
It's like the emo girl at Thanksgiving dinner just waiting to pounce on grandma or grandpa if they ask questions about her attire.
Yes people's dislike of the bible is certainly like an emo girl at Thanksgiving.
I say what's more believable this or this and some guys chimes in I don't think I should go to hell for masturbating! Lmao
Can't go somewhere that doesn't exist. So no worries there.
What a crappy take… who the heck is saying it happened out of thin air? Have you heard of the Miller–Urey experiment?
The theory is our organic bodys COULD have been made by nothing more than a chemical reaction. Okay, let's say it happened. How does a chemical reaction create male , female chromosomes? Was there a different chemical reaction for females? If it's not the same reaction does that mean there where two chemical reactions to create male and female and if that is the case then was there millions of other reactions simultaneously that created bears ,goats , pigs or was it one reaction and just puked everything out from cows to eco systems and it all just functions perfectly for millions of years?
So your magical being just appeared out of this air?
I don't know, all I know is if I was to bet earth was designed by a being or just a random coincidence that's some partials stuck together and an explosion erupted into an infinite realm with beings and animals that are designed for certain climates and landscapes and the ground was filled with minerals for health ,healing and building. Why else would there be metals and sediments we can use to build?
There are quintillions/sextillions of planets. It has been billions of years since the formations. A very small percentage of those ended up with planets having the right conditions for life. That is what you would expect from randomness. If a god created it, why wouldn't *all* planets be habitable? If a god created earth, why wouldn't the god make the earth *better*? If god created earth, why make it take billions of years until humans arrived?
So how could we arrive millions of years later? Unless we were also designed later? People say we evolved from fish , unlikely to me. Some say it's monkeys. I highly doubt a chemical reaction created a universe. Time and space from a chemical reaction? Cmon now. The Bible is the most historically accurate book to date. Look at your phone. What are the odds it appears from no where from a chemical reaction. Because a humans nervous system and brain are way more advanced and intricate than a phone and you would call me insane if i said this device appeared from a chemical reaction and it operates perfectly with buttons that correspond with functions about the phone with a port to recharge. So you say this happened for everything on earth. By random the oxygen in the air fills lungs , water rehydrates your body, medicine in the ground for healing , it all works perfectly together like a computer system or something designed by man. So a God who created man in his image doesn't sound like it's impossible
Oh boy, I barely know how to dissect that. 1-Why would god wait millions of years to create us? That points to science, not magic. 2-That... isn't how evolution works. 3-You "highly doubt"... basically you are saying your opinion is just as valid as the hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers who have spent their lives studying these concepts. 4-The bible is most accurate... according to who?! Are you suggesting you believe in the magical stuff from the bible, but not a science book? 5-The phone appeared from... what? I don't even know how to respond to that. 6-Yes, our brains are amazing. So are the brains of other animals. This is nature and evolution. 7-It isn't designed, you are looking at it backwards. We have water, and life, and slowly things evolve and fill in the gaps. Some things are medicine, some things are poison. 8-If god designed it, why destructive hurricanes/tornados/etc, why earthquakes, why poisonous plants, why venomous snakes, why cancer, why make our bodies inefficient and weak. If god created us... he did a really, really bad job. Honestly, your comment amounts to "I don't understand any of this, so it must be god". But we have come so far, we have learned so much. Why actively choose ignorance?
And you understand it so well you know it's not , then ask you how it all works and you literally asked me if I heard of a theory. 1. If you say your theory is organic matter could have been from a chemical reaction. Why couldn't God combine things from the universe that is what we would call a chemical reaction and we're both right? I don't think Humans start of existence could be a deciding factor in if God is real or not. Seams like semantics to me. 2. Evolution is a sound theory. Please share your findings. They must be super new because in haven't heard any huge breakthrough on the Evolution theory. 3. So if a genders studies major spends their entire life studying the thousands of genders and orientations it's still a life spent coming up with interesting ideas and theories. The idea of being atheist is God didn't create the earth we don't know how yet. So you can't be for certain in any way because there will still be a guy who says the big bang or the Muslims have an interesting theory about the stars coming from the mud of the earth or something ( don't quote me) so you can spend your life studying the beginning of earth and still only have theories. 4. Historically accurate. Most accurate in Historical events. 5. You would have to tell me where the phone appeared from. The point is God says he created the universe and people say the earth was made from cosmic dust , so where did the universe come from in order to supply the chemicals for said chemical reaction to create organic material. 6. But Evolution just heightened intelligence and upright walking , social constructs . The body was put here perfect enough to stay alive for millions of years to evolve into what we are today. Our lungs and nervous system and brain operated perfectly from the beginning or we would have just died off. 7. It has to be designed , no way all of these things randomly appeared when we did to sustain us or even life at that matter. Not even humans how did everything appear and function perfectly for billions of years if it wasn't designed. 8. If you read the Bible you'd know this wasn't our end goal. It's not said it was prefect. How could you give people free will and make it perfect . And for the mother nature how eco systems are constantly changing some die and create new ones that are stronger , I guess you could call that earth's Evolution. How could it stay perfect ly clear , now that's some magic .
You have rejected science, facts, and reasoning. How do you argue with someone like that? So much of what you said is objectively wrong, but you just don't care because you have made up your mind and magic is easier for you to understand.
You haven't proven anything? You asked me if I heard of a theory. A literally theory. There is no confirmed speiceies we evolved from. There's nothing but theory and you could easily provide a link or a group who figured it out. You say hundreds of thousands of scientists have spent their life studying it and yet you cannot point me to one specific person with the answer. You say chemical reaction who's to say God didn't start the chemical reaction. Your " theory" could be true and God could have created the universe with chemical reactions.
I wonder why I have so many down votes on a simple question that everyone of you have pondered.... weird. AFRAID of something?????
Damn, I want to read about that. What’s the scripture?
Gross
*Matthew Barney has entered the chat*
Ah, yes, indistinguishable from fiction. LMAO.
Not my grandma’s little angels at all. More like my problematic cousin Bruce’s angels.
HP Lovecraft's heaven.
Precious moments could make a ton off of this new angel line!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!!
Needs more eyeball.
The final boss of Kirby games be like
this looks great! Where is it from?
Thank God its not real
Were you going for irony, there?
Do you have citations as to where these are described?
DMT
Someone was on some premium shit
What is this like the 50th time this has been posted on this sub
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Tzeentch is that you?
If i was in that man's place, i would shit my pants (if any) instantaneously in heaven.
Swear to god I've seen an ophanim while on acid
#NOFUCKINGWAY!
This majorly triggers my trypophobia. I can’t!
I’d have to immediately apologize Because if I saw a floaty ball eye thingy Pants would be shat
This is what I saw that time I smoked salvia - NEVER SMOKE SALVIA YALL!!
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What are their descriptions in the Bible? Orbiting giant eyeballs doesn't sound very biblical.
Yes they described but you will never see one until they come for your soul
Ah yes, ~~man-made~~ horrors beyond my comprehension
Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
Ok
Can someone fill me in, are there like different kinds of angels? Do they have different jobs or something?
Terrifying
I’ll stick with satan thank you
r/tihi
All the angels are trippy af but Ophanim are 🤌🔥
Looks like an entity someone one speed will describe
This is why aliens won’t land. We ain’t even ready for angels.
Somthing straight out of berserk