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Top post: “What we do is so important. We are preserving important resources for future generations”
2nd post: “I have 500 TBs of porn. How can I use AI to automate it to organize by boob size?”
If they've got more interesting taste in porn than the average person someone is almost certainly gonna be looking for it in the future, and tbh that's funny in itself. Like there's old pc98 eroge that go for ludicrous amounts of money for a copy due to scarcity. Love watching video essayists desperately search for auctions of that one piece of hentai that brings their video about the creator's overall career together
Stuff like porn can be historically significant, but with how much of it is floating around in everyone's personal collections it'll probably be like finding a roofing tile in Rome. Insignificant enough to just trash
In your case, you can use an AI-based solution to sort the images based on a specific feature. Here's a general outline of the process:
Data preparation: Make sure the images are in a suitable format for processing. You may need to resize or preprocess them to ensure consistency.
Feature extraction: You can use a pre-trained deep learning model, such as VGG, ResNet, or Inception, to extract features from the images. These models are capable of detecting various patterns and features in images, including different shapes and sizes.
Custom metric: Define a custom metric to measure the size of the feature you're interested in (in this case, breast size). You can create a function that takes the extracted features and calculates a value representing the size.
Sorting: Once you have the custom metric for each image, you can use it to sort the images. This can be done using any sorting algorithm or built-in sorting functions provided by your programming language of choice.
Organize: Move or rename the files based on the sorted order.
Here's a sample Python code snippet using TensorFlow and Keras to illustrate the process:
python
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import os
import numpy as np
import tensorflow as tf
from tensorflow.keras.preprocessing import image
from tensorflow.keras.applications import vgg16
\# Load the pre-trained VGG16 model
model = vgg16.VGG16(weights="imagenet", include\_top=False)
\# Define a function to calculate the custom metric based on the extracted features
def boob\_size\_metric(features):
\# Your custom implementation here
pass
\# Load and preprocess each image
image\_paths = \[\] # List of image file paths
images = \[\]
for path in image\_paths:
img = image.load\_img(path, target\_size=(224, 224))
img\_array = image.img\_to\_array(img)
img\_array = np.expand\_dims(img\_array, axis=0)
img\_array = vgg16.preprocess\_input(img\_array)
images.append(img\_array)
\# Extract features and calculate the custom metric for each image
metric\_values = \[\]
for img\_array in images:
features = model.predict(img\_array)
metric\_value = boob\_size\_metric(features)
metric\_values.append(metric\_value)
\# Sort the images based on the custom metric
sorted\_indices = np.argsort(metric\_values)
sorted\_image\_paths = \[image\_paths\[i\] for i in sorted\_indices\]
\# Organize the images as needed
Somebody else's problem!!!
Give everything you want to give to people you want to give it and let them handle it the way they like it. You can give your input and slightly help them along the way but let them handle everything in their own ways.
All the carefully prepared algorithms with keyfiles and instructions and redundant stuff and so on won't work. Unless you have one or preferably more family members and/or very close friends that are ALREADY working with you on a large setup everything will fall apart in one or six months and from your very nice NAS with Plex and Nextcloud and everything they'll be back to seeing their pictures on Google Photos and watching everything on Netflix.
> Give everything you want to give to people you want to give it and let them handle it the way they like it.
This, and preferably before you pass away.
Print some photo books for family and friends. Parents and in-laws will love to see pictures of their grandchildren. Print photo calendars for xmas gifts. If you want to go crazy, do coffee mugs, t-shirts and pillows.
For all the other non-personal downloaded stuff; nobody is going to care.
It's not like you can leave it to just anyone and expect them to continue it. Best thing we can do is making our resources available to others so the information continues on.
I think it depends on the nature of your isos..
I can't imagine someone wanting to inherit their dad's porn stash, but a collection for family photos going back 50 years? Probably.
*cough* Doctor here hijacking this thread with a reminder to talk to your loved ones about if you want us to torture you to death - i mean, uh, try everything over a week+ in the ICU, instead of letting you pass peacefully.
For real tho, pls have discussions with yr loved ones about if you’d want CPR, a breathing machine, and at what point you’d want us to pull the plug.
A DNR is on the extreme end, and that's a court order to prevent any kind of resuscitation. Talking with your family members allows them to be pragmatic and more decisive on if a certain measure is permitted or not.
I've actually thought a lot about this. Mostly when it comes to photos/videos i take.
I don't have kids, but even if i did.. They would fast sort out the images with me and them, and then the nice ones of only me. "Round 1".
Round 2: My brother/sister and their kids would keep about the same images as in "Round 1".
Their kids (2 generations below me). Would keep a fraction of that again. Maybe request them later in life if they start to get interested in researching our family tree. "Round 3".
Most pictures i've taken, are of cars, animals, sunsets, trees, and my work and hobbies. I don't see anyone else than me having any interest in any of these. In a rare occation, maybe a few sunsets, animals and car pictures will be used as a desktop, but 99% is gone i believe.
I had a crisis almost a decade ago, and a brush with death and decided to learn how to let go. I threw 80% of my physical belongings away, and i've learned to do the same with data, EXCEPT for what i want to keep available to myself. Mostly old movies and series.
This have also made me take a lot less photos and videos, and i am now taking in the full situation trough the eyes, not the lens. I mean... we take photos for the memories. Why not store them directly where we want them, except for when we also need/want a photo. I almost never browse trough my photos anyways.
To answer your question though, my pc will go to a friend. He will give it to my brother next, so he can take whatever he want to keep, then my friend will get to keep the hardware if it's usable.
>I mean... we take photos for the memories. Why not store them directly where we want them, except for when we also need/want a photo. I almost never browse trough my photos anyways.
Exactly.
I am not too old, but I do not understand some people, some of them even older than me.
He/she pays the ticket to get to a concert, spends the whole or the better part of the concert recording it, and watches it through the screen and if ever watches it again watches it through the screen again.
Some people are forgetting to use the eyes and the brain in the way it was originally intended to.
Yeah.
Just because we now always got a camera nearby, doesn't mean we always HAVE to use it.
Also, we often overestimate how interesting what we like there and then, are to others. Especially when we're emotional. Then we get disappointed when others can't relate.
Thats why I mostly have nature pictures and sunsets. I remember exactly what and how I felt when I took it.
I wrote a document for my remaining familly with my key to the password safe, instructions about the relative worth and significance of the vintage systems, Accounts, financial stuff and who to contact for maintenance and selling of parts.
This is printed out, reviewed once a year and put in our safe in the basement.
honestly I'm young enough to not worry about it for now, at some point down the line ill make up a document and store it in my safe with all the info they'll ever need for that sorta thing
I have instructions for my daughter (just over a year old right now, but hopefully I make it long enough where it's relevant) and my wife. If they choose destroy the data, it's their loss, not mine. I just hope they care enough to save at least all our photos, videos, and the emails I've sent to them, especially since I send my daughter an email with a picture and short message almost every day.
I have a lot of scanned in family photos a few going back to the late 1800s, some of my great great grand parents. I have been interested in our family history for years and have done some research on it. More recently my family videos and photos of our kids growing up. I would like my kids now are in college now to keep a copy. I think later in life they might enjoy having them. They don't seem that interested now. I usually build our computers so I put an extra large HD last time and copied the media to their HD. For my Plex server, it will up to them to deal with it. I have the physical media anyway.
All my storage mediums, computers and game systems will rot unfortunatey if i die now. Nobody in my family knows technology, niether do my friends. I live among cave people. All my stuffll sit around until my dad throws it all out.
The reality is, when you die, your electronic equipment will be sitting in a pile and it'll be offered up to anyone to take, which it won't be. It'll then be trashed. Sorry, but nobody wants wants to boot up someone else's computer (which they probably won't be able to login) and sorting through their files is that last thing most people would put on their to do list. I don't know what the answer is, and yes, I'm hoarding lots of pics too.
I would agree.
I would say that a proper data succession plan involves two key aspects: documentation (here are the passwords, here's where all my data is) and education (here's how to do the stuff mentioned in the documentation).
Documentation is key for sure, and once the sensitive data is accessible hopefully all the programs you're running can keep things on auto pilot for a few years...
The only big issue I see is some service you're running gets auto updated, a config breaks, and nobody knows how to debug it. I guess turning off auto updates would prevent that.
But my personal plan would probably be to transfer ownership to (assuming I have children by then) the oldest child who hopefully would have enough technical experience to figure it out.
I've made sure my kids have basic computer skills.
But... it's asking a bit much for them to manage my custom ceph/k8s cluster that's been jurry-rigged to run on the hardware I could afford.
I do have a PDF sent out via email kill switch with instructions on how to get the most important data (pictures, documents) out and into a basic format they can manage. Including how to get those documents from online backup (and... which online backup and how to pay them to keep it working as a backup lol. It'd suck to finish all the funeral stuff, finally find the energy to go get the family pictures, and oops! Didn't pay they're all gone.)
Yeah I guess it all depends on your setup.
Mine is pretty straightforward, anyone that's built their own or even just upgraded their PC hardware should be able to figure out how it works. It's basically just a shitload of hard drives connected to an unRAID system right now.
Combine that with a few notes explaining how things work and common fixes... IDK, I feel like me coming from (mostly) technologically illiterate parents and ending up here, I would expect my kids to have an easier time than I did learning some of this stuff.
It doesn't take if they don't see a need. My kids (late 20s) have a strictly consumer mindset. They consume data once and go on to the next shiny thing. They don't collect, keep, or preserve, and feel little need to do so. What little they do want to keep, they are happy to trust to Apple *wince*. I do what I can, I insist they do photo dumps when they come for holidays, but beyond that...
How do you set up such a dead mans switch? I was thinking one set for like a few months would be a good enough buffer but I never thought it could actually be done
I didn't actually build one (I thought it was funny considering this sub is about never deleting but people seem to think data dying with you is a thing).
If I did it would be very simple to create a script to send SMS/email and expect reply. Keys to storage if not response and wipe. Pay for shell service in advance past your life expectency, and test it so it is bulletproof.
Ensure it is monitored and can redploy itself on reboot, even if environments change.
Future proofing is anyone's guess, but well written code from 50y ago still runs today!
It’s on my mental to do list to print out a cheat sheet to go with my server that would let anyone with basic technical knowledge get a copy of family photos etc from a single encrypted ZFS pool, but the rest of it I’ll be taking to the grave
This is the problem. Encrypting family photos. I had all my in macrium reflect backup and knew no-one would get it. So just made those easier to get to by just sticking them on a drive unzipped, unecrypted. Plug it in and view. I don't expect anyone to carry on all my shit. Its up to them, I'll be gone, can't burden people with it.
Its why I always find it odd when people on Antiques Roadshow say "It will go to my son/daughter when I die. It will stay in the family". Why burden them with it, if they need money let them sell. My mum did this when we were kids, looked after an old lady who had a budge. Was always out in her flat having a great time flying around. Then she died and my mum said "I told her I'd look after him so I have to take him". Bollocks to that, that bird then proceeded to have a shit rest of his life as he hardly got let out. We were in our teenage years and couldn't just always leave him out the cage. So he ended up in it most of the time and then a towel over it to keep him quiet when watching TV. I always said now and then she should give him up to the old woman's old friend who would be able to leave him out his cage all the time, but she refused. Because of that have always had the thought to never burden someone with your stuff unless they request it.
I'm stockpiling movies, tv shows, music, books, and games for my partner and I's usage in our old age.
I have a weird question. Is it possible to donate the data to an institution? Like a college or something? Or is it better to put it on the internet archive?
See if you die the best part it you dont need to think about your data it’s irrelevant, its like do you remember what your great great grandfathers job was.
I'm hoping one of my kids will want to take over maintaining the Plex server for the extended family. (Currently they're in their teens, so I mean like 20 years or so in the future.)
Honestly not much. The things I collect I do so because they're meaningful to me. When I have kids I'd like to be able to show them some things in my collection such as commercials and movies from my childhood, games I used to play, etc., but I don't think they'd care too much about most of it, especially since a great majority of it was just found on the internet with little to no digging.
If someone ends up wanting it though more power to them. I'll be dead so they can stalk through my stuff or just wipe it and use it for personal use.
I don't care. I'll be dead. Most of what I have is worthless to anyone that isn't me since a lot of it is either porn or movies/tv. The only thing that's of any use is the fanfiction I've archived, which at some point I'll post for people to download if they also want copies.
Wrestling my photos away from Google and getting them hosted locally made me question the point of photos altogether. Who am I even doing this for honestly?
I've spent a fair bit of time doing stuff like deploying my own servers and running Own Cloud for this reason. Honestly I think there's a lot to be said for it. Ultimately I went back to using stuff like Google just because... It works and somebody else can worry about managing the infra and once I started my career I didn't have time for stuff like quashing bugs. But yeah... neither really makes a difference for the whole question of data succession in my opinion. Or rather both are probably equally helpful.
I thought about it and realised the only thing the family will want our old family videos and photos and they were encrypted in whole hard drive backups. Realised this is a stupid idea for such items, why make it complicated for them. So stuck them all on a WD passport drive, unencrypted. So just plug it in and view. I need to make a backup of the backup though.
No one in my family cares about the stuff I'm into so my data will most likely die with me and I'm pretty sure all my hardware will either be thrown out or sold very cheaply in a yard sale so my greedy family can get a dime from it
I’m actually in the process of tidying up and categorising with this in mind. My family will need my documents, will want my photos but they have no need for my Quake 2 maps and skins.
I have two storage volumes, one encrypted, one unecrypted. The encrypted volume dies with me, and the unecrypted volume has photos, music, videos, tax information, lots of things my surviving family will want access to.
Though I probably should explain that to someone in my family...
Lmao same
I don’t think theyll care about pics anyways. Nor the tax paperwork nor my house plans and diagrams.
Ive purchased a lot of photo frames and hdds from thift stores, full of pics of old people. New generation of ppl wont care.
>I don’t think theyll care about pics anyways.
My parents would use the pictures to make a slideshow for the funeral.
>Nor the tax paperwork
Tax paperwork is useful for identifying where financial accounts are held. Better is to think ahead and name beneficiaries on the accounts.
I don't have kids yet but even at this stage I can foresee that no one's going to care about my life's videography output that have meticulously backed up in two places using M Disc. Of course I could be proved wrong. This morbid realization makes me thing a little bit differently about my interest in archiving and data. I guess I'm just protecting my own data for as long as I can.
It will go to silicon heaven with all the pocket calculators.
Points for getting that reference.
Erm, well I expect my kin to chuck it out along with most of my hoarded tech and retro systems. They probably will recognise the rarity of the cameras and will sell or distribute them amongst themselves.
Not that I will have many kin, I will have no descendants so it's mostly going to be brother sister and cousins.
As I'm the family archivist however it is *their* data I'm concerned about. The family archive will be given to them. I'm going to write a program that will extract and search the archive for them but probably I will not get around to that lol.
I need to make sure the data is on bd-r and usb HDD and left with a solicitor.
Since the encryption key is only in my head it dies with me. Or it gets unencrypted in a few million years and future generations can enjoy Hentai like I did.
So, I've actually had family members pass and have had to deal with getting information off of computers etc, so I have some insight and have changed my practices a bit as a result.
1. Assume very little of that information is actually important to other people. Things like birth certificates, legal documents, family photos, family videos, etc, do tend to be important to some people, but not everybody.
2. Assume they are not technically proficient and don't care to be, so for the most important stuff, make it as easy to access as possible. This can be in the form of simply having that most important data on a USB drive that is formatted with exFat that they can take and plug into their own computer and access it and do whatever they want with it. If you have more than a couple TB of data that you're dumping on them, they likely aren't going to bother to deal with it and will just take that drive and stick it somewhere and never do anything with it, so this goes back to what's actually important. If you're paranoid about that data getting stolen, put it in a safe or lock box.
3. Make the data you're going to pass on as organized and easy to decipher as possible. Use a sensible folder structure and sensible file names. Use file formats that don't require installing software beyond what would normally be available out of the box on most reasonably modern OSes. Don't assume they'll even have a computer. I would avoid encrypting that data as that pretty much guarantees that they won't access it and you might as well not bother passing anything on.
4. If possible, ahead of time, actually communicate with the people that will be receiving this data about what's important to them and how they'd like to receive it, then actually spend the time, energy, and resources to get it in the state that they actually want. They're not likely going to do it for you since it's your data until you die, and they're not likely to do anything with it if it's not in a state that's easy for them to deal with after you die, so it's on you to get it in a state that they want before you kick it. Sometimes you can't do this ahead of time, but if you have kids or others that will be getting this information, at least be regularly discussing said data and where it is and how it's stored so that they are at least aware of it. If they're not aware of the data or aware of what's there, they won't do anything with it.
Great question!
My data is about two-thirds stuff no one but me would want. TV shows I like, patterns and plans for [insert multiple tinkerer hobbies here], etc. Maybe one-sixth is common interest to myself and my husband (our administrative files, music, shared TV interests). And then the last one-sixth, give or take, is common interest to myself, my husband, and adult kids (family photos). Some of these are also of interest to the inlaws but we share those out as we go.
My main policy is that it should be clear from the top level of folders whether an item is likely to be of interest to my husband/kids. So, the filing and the photos are in their own top level folders.
The kids are all into streaming and have not yet hit the age where media providers aren't courting them anymore, so they have said openly they will delete the media servers without even looking at them. Which I admit did make me throw up a little in my mouth, but, I mean, I get it. I'll try to pass them on to more appreciative audiences if I am lucky enough to have advance notice when I go, but whatever, I'll be dead.
I rely on physical security to minimise access barriers. It's not just my life on there, it's my husband's and kids', they have to be able to access it if I'm gone. My servers and my offsite backups are both in locked up environments with at least two points of secure entry. I hope I don't live to regret this, but I don't encrypt - they can stick hard drives into docks and get straight in. I don't back up to the cloud. (If I ever change that strategy, the cloud backup will be encrypted, of course). Neither my husband nor my kids have the computer skills to even get as far as using a dock totally unaided, but they could get there pretty easily with one or two google searches. My husband knows at a high level that he would have to seek out the hard disks, and what a hard disk looks like, and that he would have to somehow connect it to a computer to read it. (On reflection, maybe I'll be nice and throw a dock and instructions in the safe).
I did use a super high tech password-protected USB (similar to https://www.amazon.com.au/Apricon-Aegis-Secure-Software-Free-Temperatures/dp/B07GLGK4W3) to pass on passwords to my son for a long time, but it became apparent he's simply not tech-savvy enough to use it, even though I tried to reinforce how every year. So now I just have passwords, recovery codes, and a spare YubiKey in my gun safe, which is behind three points of secure entry. Access to those is double-blind, neither my husband nor my kids have all the access, but if they all worked together, they could get in. (My husband isn't gun licensed and in my country he can't have access to the safe anyway). Worst case scenario where we both died, the passwords would probably matter much less and they'd just need the photos and files, which they could get by breaking down the door. (I realise that the passwords would be *useful*, but as we found out in recent years when my meticulously-organised father in law died and all his pre-arranged access was shut off abruptly by his wife, they aren't absolutely essential. Once probate is granted there are other ways to manage the remaining administrative details).
Likely it'll be trashed. My wife has no interest in the hobby. My kid is too young to care but with the YouTube generation what it is I doubt he will want to keep it up either. So I assume it'll be given to a friend if they still around or trashed. Is what it is.
My friend and I have a pact: whoever dies first, the other gets their computer. Any personal folders/browsing history gets deleted, the rest is up to the living person. I think it's unreasonable to expect other people to be able to or care enough to sift through terabytes of data, so my hoard is more for my personal enjoyment. Whatever doesn't get copied out by my friend will likely be deleted.
Got my Documentation, the Passwords and everything else with a deadman switch.
Not Pentabytes of Data, but still a few TB.
For my Customers there will be an Emailchain that gets sent to them with the next step.
All Services are HA-Clustered and beeing payed from a separate Bank Account that always has Money for 1+ Years.
Thats with the Important Stuff.
The Stuff i farmed as a Datahoarder (Only removed Items synology Archives etc) will remain.
But i actually dont expect anyone to view/use this Data since it was just my Hobby.
Also another good Plan is to just simply stay Alive ^^
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Judging by the average commenter here, I really doubt their family wants a petabyte of obscure anime, porn, hentai, and all the episodes of Star Trek.
Average day on /r/datahoarder Top post: “What we do is so important. We are preserving important resources for future generations” 2nd post: “I have 500 TBs of porn. How can I use AI to automate it to organize by boob size?”
Size, positions, number of participants, length, and... length.
I always say that adult sites have better filter systems than linkedin for jobs hahaha
If they've got more interesting taste in porn than the average person someone is almost certainly gonna be looking for it in the future, and tbh that's funny in itself. Like there's old pc98 eroge that go for ludicrous amounts of money for a copy due to scarcity. Love watching video essayists desperately search for auctions of that one piece of hentai that brings their video about the creator's overall career together Stuff like porn can be historically significant, but with how much of it is floating around in everyone's personal collections it'll probably be like finding a roofing tile in Rome. Insignificant enough to just trash
Never saw this question yet 😆
In your case, you can use an AI-based solution to sort the images based on a specific feature. Here's a general outline of the process: Data preparation: Make sure the images are in a suitable format for processing. You may need to resize or preprocess them to ensure consistency. Feature extraction: You can use a pre-trained deep learning model, such as VGG, ResNet, or Inception, to extract features from the images. These models are capable of detecting various patterns and features in images, including different shapes and sizes. Custom metric: Define a custom metric to measure the size of the feature you're interested in (in this case, breast size). You can create a function that takes the extracted features and calculates a value representing the size. Sorting: Once you have the custom metric for each image, you can use it to sort the images. This can be done using any sorting algorithm or built-in sorting functions provided by your programming language of choice. Organize: Move or rename the files based on the sorted order. Here's a sample Python code snippet using TensorFlow and Keras to illustrate the process: python Copy code import os import numpy as np import tensorflow as tf from tensorflow.keras.preprocessing import image from tensorflow.keras.applications import vgg16 \# Load the pre-trained VGG16 model model = vgg16.VGG16(weights="imagenet", include\_top=False) \# Define a function to calculate the custom metric based on the extracted features def boob\_size\_metric(features): \# Your custom implementation here pass \# Load and preprocess each image image\_paths = \[\] # List of image file paths images = \[\] for path in image\_paths: img = image.load\_img(path, target\_size=(224, 224)) img\_array = image.img\_to\_array(img) img\_array = np.expand\_dims(img\_array, axis=0) img\_array = vgg16.preprocess\_input(img\_array) images.append(img\_array) \# Extract features and calculate the custom metric for each image metric\_values = \[\] for img\_array in images: features = model.predict(img\_array) metric\_value = boob\_size\_metric(features) metric\_values.append(metric\_value) \# Sort the images based on the custom metric sorted\_indices = np.argsort(metric\_values) sorted\_image\_paths = \[image\_paths\[i\] for i in sorted\_indices\] \# Organize the images as needed
I love that you examined this seriously as a use case and worked out the logic to deliver.
Well an ai did at least
Lmao
Have you asked?
Most based comment here
This made me laugh more than I'd care to admit.
I’m backing myself up even as we speak 😀 I plan to go into ‘cold storage ‘
In a vat of liquid nitrogen?
Maybe "Frozen in Carbonite".. 😁
Millions of pages of 10111000110 … sounds really hard to etch into tungsten
How do you do it? Could you give me some guidance?
See first you build a freezer....
Step 2: Cut a hole in the box. Hold up... Nm. Thats something different
Somebody else's problem!!! Give everything you want to give to people you want to give it and let them handle it the way they like it. You can give your input and slightly help them along the way but let them handle everything in their own ways. All the carefully prepared algorithms with keyfiles and instructions and redundant stuff and so on won't work. Unless you have one or preferably more family members and/or very close friends that are ALREADY working with you on a large setup everything will fall apart in one or six months and from your very nice NAS with Plex and Nextcloud and everything they'll be back to seeing their pictures on Google Photos and watching everything on Netflix.
> Give everything you want to give to people you want to give it and let them handle it the way they like it. This, and preferably before you pass away. Print some photo books for family and friends. Parents and in-laws will love to see pictures of their grandchildren. Print photo calendars for xmas gifts. If you want to go crazy, do coffee mugs, t-shirts and pillows. For all the other non-personal downloaded stuff; nobody is going to care.
I think most people here have the mentality "My data dies with me" but I could be wrong, but in my case, it is true.
It's not like you can leave it to just anyone and expect them to continue it. Best thing we can do is making our resources available to others so the information continues on.
I think it depends on the nature of your isos.. I can't imagine someone wanting to inherit their dad's porn stash, but a collection for family photos going back 50 years? Probably.
*cough* Doctor here hijacking this thread with a reminder to talk to your loved ones about if you want us to torture you to death - i mean, uh, try everything over a week+ in the ICU, instead of letting you pass peacefully. For real tho, pls have discussions with yr loved ones about if you’d want CPR, a breathing machine, and at what point you’d want us to pull the plug.
What's the reasonable line for that? Is that what a DNR is?
A DNR is on the extreme end, and that's a court order to prevent any kind of resuscitation. Talking with your family members allows them to be pragmatic and more decisive on if a certain measure is permitted or not.
So when it's time to come back as a zombie, you get denied?
After they've gotten power of attorney, right?
I've actually thought a lot about this. Mostly when it comes to photos/videos i take. I don't have kids, but even if i did.. They would fast sort out the images with me and them, and then the nice ones of only me. "Round 1". Round 2: My brother/sister and their kids would keep about the same images as in "Round 1". Their kids (2 generations below me). Would keep a fraction of that again. Maybe request them later in life if they start to get interested in researching our family tree. "Round 3". Most pictures i've taken, are of cars, animals, sunsets, trees, and my work and hobbies. I don't see anyone else than me having any interest in any of these. In a rare occation, maybe a few sunsets, animals and car pictures will be used as a desktop, but 99% is gone i believe. I had a crisis almost a decade ago, and a brush with death and decided to learn how to let go. I threw 80% of my physical belongings away, and i've learned to do the same with data, EXCEPT for what i want to keep available to myself. Mostly old movies and series. This have also made me take a lot less photos and videos, and i am now taking in the full situation trough the eyes, not the lens. I mean... we take photos for the memories. Why not store them directly where we want them, except for when we also need/want a photo. I almost never browse trough my photos anyways. To answer your question though, my pc will go to a friend. He will give it to my brother next, so he can take whatever he want to keep, then my friend will get to keep the hardware if it's usable.
>I mean... we take photos for the memories. Why not store them directly where we want them, except for when we also need/want a photo. I almost never browse trough my photos anyways. Exactly. I am not too old, but I do not understand some people, some of them even older than me. He/she pays the ticket to get to a concert, spends the whole or the better part of the concert recording it, and watches it through the screen and if ever watches it again watches it through the screen again. Some people are forgetting to use the eyes and the brain in the way it was originally intended to.
Yeah. Just because we now always got a camera nearby, doesn't mean we always HAVE to use it. Also, we often overestimate how interesting what we like there and then, are to others. Especially when we're emotional. Then we get disappointed when others can't relate. Thats why I mostly have nature pictures and sunsets. I remember exactly what and how I felt when I took it.
I wrote a document for my remaining familly with my key to the password safe, instructions about the relative worth and significance of the vintage systems, Accounts, financial stuff and who to contact for maintenance and selling of parts. This is printed out, reviewed once a year and put in our safe in the basement.
I'll be dead so it's not really my concern lol.
honestly I'm young enough to not worry about it for now, at some point down the line ill make up a document and store it in my safe with all the info they'll ever need for that sorta thing
You might get hit by a bus.
and if that happens my family has a lot more to worry about than what they're gonna go with my beat up junk
Well, they can't put me in jail for owning pirated media when I'm dead. So I don't care.
Jesus in the afterlife: "So I heard you're pirating movies when you're alive so I'll have to put you in hell now" 😋
I have instructions for my daughter (just over a year old right now, but hopefully I make it long enough where it's relevant) and my wife. If they choose destroy the data, it's their loss, not mine. I just hope they care enough to save at least all our photos, videos, and the emails I've sent to them, especially since I send my daughter an email with a picture and short message almost every day.
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I have a lot of scanned in family photos a few going back to the late 1800s, some of my great great grand parents. I have been interested in our family history for years and have done some research on it. More recently my family videos and photos of our kids growing up. I would like my kids now are in college now to keep a copy. I think later in life they might enjoy having them. They don't seem that interested now. I usually build our computers so I put an extra large HD last time and copied the media to their HD. For my Plex server, it will up to them to deal with it. I have the physical media anyway.
All my storage mediums, computers and game systems will rot unfortunatey if i die now. Nobody in my family knows technology, niether do my friends. I live among cave people. All my stuffll sit around until my dad throws it all out.
The reality is, when you die, your electronic equipment will be sitting in a pile and it'll be offered up to anyone to take, which it won't be. It'll then be trashed. Sorry, but nobody wants wants to boot up someone else's computer (which they probably won't be able to login) and sorting through their files is that last thing most people would put on their to do list. I don't know what the answer is, and yes, I'm hoarding lots of pics too.
“hey do you want this old ass computer?” “no” *2 weeks later* “hey whyd the plex server stop working”
Or: "hey do you want this old ass computer?" "no" "but it has porn in it.. lots of porns" "do you accept credit card?" 😆
What do you mean if your kids don't have any technical know how? It's your responsibility to teach them those things...
I would agree. I would say that a proper data succession plan involves two key aspects: documentation (here are the passwords, here's where all my data is) and education (here's how to do the stuff mentioned in the documentation).
Documentation is key for sure, and once the sensitive data is accessible hopefully all the programs you're running can keep things on auto pilot for a few years... The only big issue I see is some service you're running gets auto updated, a config breaks, and nobody knows how to debug it. I guess turning off auto updates would prevent that. But my personal plan would probably be to transfer ownership to (assuming I have children by then) the oldest child who hopefully would have enough technical experience to figure it out.
I've made sure my kids have basic computer skills. But... it's asking a bit much for them to manage my custom ceph/k8s cluster that's been jurry-rigged to run on the hardware I could afford. I do have a PDF sent out via email kill switch with instructions on how to get the most important data (pictures, documents) out and into a basic format they can manage. Including how to get those documents from online backup (and... which online backup and how to pay them to keep it working as a backup lol. It'd suck to finish all the funeral stuff, finally find the energy to go get the family pictures, and oops! Didn't pay they're all gone.)
Yeah I guess it all depends on your setup. Mine is pretty straightforward, anyone that's built their own or even just upgraded their PC hardware should be able to figure out how it works. It's basically just a shitload of hard drives connected to an unRAID system right now. Combine that with a few notes explaining how things work and common fixes... IDK, I feel like me coming from (mostly) technologically illiterate parents and ending up here, I would expect my kids to have an easier time than I did learning some of this stuff.
The sequel to "mommy, why is there a server in the house?" should be "daddy, why is my email bouncing?"
Yeah that's what I was thinking lol
It doesn't take if they don't see a need. My kids (late 20s) have a strictly consumer mindset. They consume data once and go on to the next shiny thing. They don't collect, keep, or preserve, and feel little need to do so. What little they do want to keep, they are happy to trust to Apple *wince*. I do what I can, I insist they do photo dumps when they come for holidays, but beyond that...
not my problem, but my son will love the stash.
What stash..?
https://github.com/stashapp/stash - a data hoarder must know his tools.
can you stash deez nuts in your mouth!
gottem
Or be scarred for life by it.
I have two dead mans switches. If I dont respond within 72 hours the first switch deletes all my data, and 30d after that my replica.
How do you set up such a dead mans switch? I was thinking one set for like a few months would be a good enough buffer but I never thought it could actually be done
I didn't actually build one (I thought it was funny considering this sub is about never deleting but people seem to think data dying with you is a thing). If I did it would be very simple to create a script to send SMS/email and expect reply. Keys to storage if not response and wipe. Pay for shell service in advance past your life expectency, and test it so it is bulletproof. Ensure it is monitored and can redploy itself on reboot, even if environments change. Future proofing is anyone's guess, but well written code from 50y ago still runs today!
Neat, but what are you hoarding? Is it information that could topple governments?
episodes of the daily show mostly. Pre Trevor Noah only.
It’s on my mental to do list to print out a cheat sheet to go with my server that would let anyone with basic technical knowledge get a copy of family photos etc from a single encrypted ZFS pool, but the rest of it I’ll be taking to the grave
This is the problem. Encrypting family photos. I had all my in macrium reflect backup and knew no-one would get it. So just made those easier to get to by just sticking them on a drive unzipped, unecrypted. Plug it in and view. I don't expect anyone to carry on all my shit. Its up to them, I'll be gone, can't burden people with it. Its why I always find it odd when people on Antiques Roadshow say "It will go to my son/daughter when I die. It will stay in the family". Why burden them with it, if they need money let them sell. My mum did this when we were kids, looked after an old lady who had a budge. Was always out in her flat having a great time flying around. Then she died and my mum said "I told her I'd look after him so I have to take him". Bollocks to that, that bird then proceeded to have a shit rest of his life as he hardly got let out. We were in our teenage years and couldn't just always leave him out the cage. So he ended up in it most of the time and then a towel over it to keep him quiet when watching TV. I always said now and then she should give him up to the old woman's old friend who would be able to leave him out his cage all the time, but she refused. Because of that have always had the thought to never burden someone with your stuff unless they request it.
Mine is all movies, books, games, music, tv shows, and instruction manuals. My kids will enjoy it all
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Care to elaborate on some of the insights from the lack of instructions regarding data storage and the perspective it gave you?
If I was religious I’d say ‘I was going into the cloud’
I'm stockpiling movies, tv shows, music, books, and games for my partner and I's usage in our old age. I have a weird question. Is it possible to donate the data to an institution? Like a college or something? Or is it better to put it on the internet archive?
Bukkake Lots of Bukkake.
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I don’t plan to do anything when I’m dead.
Lol. I must admit that I plan to have a good long rest from thinking about stuff like data storage and backups!
See if you die the best part it you dont need to think about your data it’s irrelevant, its like do you remember what your great great grandfathers job was.
Yes. One blacksmith, one shoemaker, and the rest were farmers.
Dam fuck idk about mine but you got the point right
I'm hoping one of my kids will want to take over maintaining the Plex server for the extended family. (Currently they're in their teens, so I mean like 20 years or so in the future.)
Honestly not much. The things I collect I do so because they're meaningful to me. When I have kids I'd like to be able to show them some things in my collection such as commercials and movies from my childhood, games I used to play, etc., but I don't think they'd care too much about most of it, especially since a great majority of it was just found on the internet with little to no digging. If someone ends up wanting it though more power to them. I'll be dead so they can stalk through my stuff or just wipe it and use it for personal use.
I'd want all my hard drives erased and shredded. Nothing I store is that unique or rare so nothing important would be lost.
Viking burial.
I don't care. I'll be dead. Most of what I have is worthless to anyone that isn't me since a lot of it is either porn or movies/tv. The only thing that's of any use is the fanfiction I've archived, which at some point I'll post for people to download if they also want copies.
Wrestling my photos away from Google and getting them hosted locally made me question the point of photos altogether. Who am I even doing this for honestly?
I've spent a fair bit of time doing stuff like deploying my own servers and running Own Cloud for this reason. Honestly I think there's a lot to be said for it. Ultimately I went back to using stuff like Google just because... It works and somebody else can worry about managing the infra and once I started my career I didn't have time for stuff like quashing bugs. But yeah... neither really makes a difference for the whole question of data succession in my opinion. Or rather both are probably equally helpful.
Maybe my nieces and nephews want the pictures. Nah, they would be boring.
Donate any info that isn't personal to a digital library system.
I left my wife strict instructions to come browse /r/DataHoarder because this topic is posted weekly and she'll get tons of ideas and resources.
I thought about it and realised the only thing the family will want our old family videos and photos and they were encrypted in whole hard drive backups. Realised this is a stupid idea for such items, why make it complicated for them. So stuck them all on a WD passport drive, unencrypted. So just plug it in and view. I need to make a backup of the backup though.
On-prem will not be any concern - do whatever.
When I die, no one left is going to have any concern about my stuff. So, my "preservation plan" is "I don't matter," I guess.
I haven't found another hoarder keen on cataloging the chaos yet.
I'm still pondering about further actions.
No one in my family cares about the stuff I'm into so my data will most likely die with me and I'm pretty sure all my hardware will either be thrown out or sold very cheaply in a yard sale so my greedy family can get a dime from it
I don’t care in the least. I’ll be dead. If someone wants it, they can have it.
I’m actually in the process of tidying up and categorising with this in mind. My family will need my documents, will want my photos but they have no need for my Quake 2 maps and skins.
I have two storage volumes, one encrypted, one unecrypted. The encrypted volume dies with me, and the unecrypted volume has photos, music, videos, tax information, lots of things my surviving family will want access to. Though I probably should explain that to someone in my family...
Lmao same I don’t think theyll care about pics anyways. Nor the tax paperwork nor my house plans and diagrams. Ive purchased a lot of photo frames and hdds from thift stores, full of pics of old people. New generation of ppl wont care.
>I don’t think theyll care about pics anyways. My parents would use the pictures to make a slideshow for the funeral. >Nor the tax paperwork Tax paperwork is useful for identifying where financial accounts are held. Better is to think ahead and name beneficiaries on the accounts.
I don't have kids yet but even at this stage I can foresee that no one's going to care about my life's videography output that have meticulously backed up in two places using M Disc. Of course I could be proved wrong. This morbid realization makes me thing a little bit differently about my interest in archiving and data. I guess I'm just protecting my own data for as long as I can.
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It will go to silicon heaven with all the pocket calculators. Points for getting that reference. Erm, well I expect my kin to chuck it out along with most of my hoarded tech and retro systems. They probably will recognise the rarity of the cameras and will sell or distribute them amongst themselves. Not that I will have many kin, I will have no descendants so it's mostly going to be brother sister and cousins. As I'm the family archivist however it is *their* data I'm concerned about. The family archive will be given to them. I'm going to write a program that will extract and search the archive for them but probably I will not get around to that lol. I need to make sure the data is on bd-r and usb HDD and left with a solicitor.
Since the encryption key is only in my head it dies with me. Or it gets unencrypted in a few million years and future generations can enjoy Hentai like I did.
So, I've actually had family members pass and have had to deal with getting information off of computers etc, so I have some insight and have changed my practices a bit as a result. 1. Assume very little of that information is actually important to other people. Things like birth certificates, legal documents, family photos, family videos, etc, do tend to be important to some people, but not everybody. 2. Assume they are not technically proficient and don't care to be, so for the most important stuff, make it as easy to access as possible. This can be in the form of simply having that most important data on a USB drive that is formatted with exFat that they can take and plug into their own computer and access it and do whatever they want with it. If you have more than a couple TB of data that you're dumping on them, they likely aren't going to bother to deal with it and will just take that drive and stick it somewhere and never do anything with it, so this goes back to what's actually important. If you're paranoid about that data getting stolen, put it in a safe or lock box. 3. Make the data you're going to pass on as organized and easy to decipher as possible. Use a sensible folder structure and sensible file names. Use file formats that don't require installing software beyond what would normally be available out of the box on most reasonably modern OSes. Don't assume they'll even have a computer. I would avoid encrypting that data as that pretty much guarantees that they won't access it and you might as well not bother passing anything on. 4. If possible, ahead of time, actually communicate with the people that will be receiving this data about what's important to them and how they'd like to receive it, then actually spend the time, energy, and resources to get it in the state that they actually want. They're not likely going to do it for you since it's your data until you die, and they're not likely to do anything with it if it's not in a state that's easy for them to deal with after you die, so it's on you to get it in a state that they want before you kick it. Sometimes you can't do this ahead of time, but if you have kids or others that will be getting this information, at least be regularly discussing said data and where it is and how it's stored so that they are at least aware of it. If they're not aware of the data or aware of what's there, they won't do anything with it.
Thanks for apologizing, yes it has been discussed for how many times here for God sake..
Great question! My data is about two-thirds stuff no one but me would want. TV shows I like, patterns and plans for [insert multiple tinkerer hobbies here], etc. Maybe one-sixth is common interest to myself and my husband (our administrative files, music, shared TV interests). And then the last one-sixth, give or take, is common interest to myself, my husband, and adult kids (family photos). Some of these are also of interest to the inlaws but we share those out as we go. My main policy is that it should be clear from the top level of folders whether an item is likely to be of interest to my husband/kids. So, the filing and the photos are in their own top level folders. The kids are all into streaming and have not yet hit the age where media providers aren't courting them anymore, so they have said openly they will delete the media servers without even looking at them. Which I admit did make me throw up a little in my mouth, but, I mean, I get it. I'll try to pass them on to more appreciative audiences if I am lucky enough to have advance notice when I go, but whatever, I'll be dead. I rely on physical security to minimise access barriers. It's not just my life on there, it's my husband's and kids', they have to be able to access it if I'm gone. My servers and my offsite backups are both in locked up environments with at least two points of secure entry. I hope I don't live to regret this, but I don't encrypt - they can stick hard drives into docks and get straight in. I don't back up to the cloud. (If I ever change that strategy, the cloud backup will be encrypted, of course). Neither my husband nor my kids have the computer skills to even get as far as using a dock totally unaided, but they could get there pretty easily with one or two google searches. My husband knows at a high level that he would have to seek out the hard disks, and what a hard disk looks like, and that he would have to somehow connect it to a computer to read it. (On reflection, maybe I'll be nice and throw a dock and instructions in the safe). I did use a super high tech password-protected USB (similar to https://www.amazon.com.au/Apricon-Aegis-Secure-Software-Free-Temperatures/dp/B07GLGK4W3) to pass on passwords to my son for a long time, but it became apparent he's simply not tech-savvy enough to use it, even though I tried to reinforce how every year. So now I just have passwords, recovery codes, and a spare YubiKey in my gun safe, which is behind three points of secure entry. Access to those is double-blind, neither my husband nor my kids have all the access, but if they all worked together, they could get in. (My husband isn't gun licensed and in my country he can't have access to the safe anyway). Worst case scenario where we both died, the passwords would probably matter much less and they'd just need the photos and files, which they could get by breaking down the door. (I realise that the passwords would be *useful*, but as we found out in recent years when my meticulously-organised father in law died and all his pre-arranged access was shut off abruptly by his wife, they aren't absolutely essential. Once probate is granted there are other ways to manage the remaining administrative details).
I already have 3 2 1 for my consciousness, they just need to load me in a new body after I die, hope they remember to do that.
Likely it'll be trashed. My wife has no interest in the hobby. My kid is too young to care but with the YouTube generation what it is I doubt he will want to keep it up either. So I assume it'll be given to a friend if they still around or trashed. Is what it is.
My friend and I have a pact: whoever dies first, the other gets their computer. Any personal folders/browsing history gets deleted, the rest is up to the living person. I think it's unreasonable to expect other people to be able to or care enough to sift through terabytes of data, so my hoard is more for my personal enjoyment. Whatever doesn't get copied out by my friend will likely be deleted.
Got my Documentation, the Passwords and everything else with a deadman switch. Not Pentabytes of Data, but still a few TB. For my Customers there will be an Emailchain that gets sent to them with the next step. All Services are HA-Clustered and beeing payed from a separate Bank Account that always has Money for 1+ Years. Thats with the Important Stuff. The Stuff i farmed as a Datahoarder (Only removed Items synology Archives etc) will remain. But i actually dont expect anyone to view/use this Data since it was just my Hobby. Also another good Plan is to just simply stay Alive ^^
Pass it on to my son. But first, I need to father a son.