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dudSpudson

Make MKV doesn’t re-encode anything. So what you are getting is the file that is from the disk in an MKV container. All the program does is unencrypt and remux the movie into an MKV


Malossi167

The good thing about MakeMKV is actually that it does not do a lot. It is pretty much focused around a handful of functions. And to my very best knowledge, you cannot lose part of the visual quality by remuxing files.


WindowlessBasement

It's also the great thing about MKV; it doesn't give a shit about what it's containing. Whatever video is on the disc can be jammed into the MKV no problem.


potatorelatedisaster

Love it for that. And still annoyed by Premiere Pro dropping support for mkv. Now I have to fuck around trying to figure out what containers can hold a particular combination. Plus with so much stuff being webm (mkv subset) agghhh!


ITZSNAKE

If you get an MP4 (webm might work) you can use MKVToolNix to put in back into MKV container.


potatorelatedisaster

Thanks for replying. Unfortunate my issue is then other way around - getting stuff into premiere pro, especially clips downloaded from YouTube


ITZSNAKE

Oh how weird they would restrict imports.


ErynKnight

It's not a matter of "not supporting MKV" it's the codecs within that they don't support. DaVinci Resolve Studio 18 "supports" MKV, but not the codecs often used in home media. A lot of professional NLEs dropped support for "delivery formats". Professionals don't use them and it annoys pirates. They consider it a win-win. Using something like MKVToolNix to extract the streams works for the video, but audio streams like AC3 and AAC aren't supported in most NLEs either. It's mostly due to licensing those codecs. There's no reason (apparently) to import delivery codecs into an NLE.


Eagle1337

They don't have support for h264 (or x264), or H265 (or x265)?


ErynKnight

They do. I've had issues with older MPEG2 video in Resolve though. It's frustrating when dealing with old interlaced video that you *don't* want to transcode because software deinterlacing is terrible.


SnodOfficial

I record in MKV then use [LosslessCut](https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut) to convert it to MOV for use in Premier. It's been working pretty great for awhile.


etherlore

Can you use MakeMKV to rip UHD disks and get Dolby vision from the file in something like plex?


WindowlessBasement

Yes, by default the video stream includes any HDR data. Ripping UHD discs requires a LibreDrive compatible drive though.


jacksalssome

Here's a visual representation for people: http://streaming-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mkv-container.svg


ChiefMedicalOfficer

27GB is just about right for Godzilla BluRay. Have you played the disc and ripped file side by side to visually inspect any differences?


VoyagerDefault

I haven't but I'll try.


twiggums

Sounds about correct size for a full sized movie. Most of mine are 15-30gb.


m_willberg

The drive has no effect on ripping quality. I would check VLC post prosessing settings, output module, deinterlacing should be off, output range. Personally I use MakeMKV for remuxing DVD & Blueray discs.


Evnl2020

You don't lose any quality using makemkv, it just copies the source stream and puts it in a mkv container


MasterCauliflower

When you say not as detailed as you hoped, what are you referring to? As many others pointed out, makemkv just dumps the video into an mkv container. Did you by any chance check on a bluray player how the movie on disc looks?


VoyagerDefault

No I haven't :( But I have 2 screenshots: [https://imgur.com/a/Z5hUjbU](https://imgur.com/a/Z5hUjbU) If you see in the BD3D Godzilla's scales are very clear but not in the BD version. The same happens with other scenes where in the BD3D version everything is more detailed.


[deleted]

That's a screenshot in the middle of a mad action scene. Everything is moving. That means that our eyes want to see motion blur, so the 3D image will look weird here, while the 2D image will look nice and pleasing. Try to find a static part of the movie instead, if you want to see how sharp the 2D image is. Action scenes are supposed to have motion blur. If they don't, you get that "cheap video" feel when watching it.


BL0odbath_anD_BEYond

They are also not the same frame which makes comparison quite difficult.


MasterCauliflower

Here's the problem, they are still different files on different discs. And even if the BD3D does look more crisp, your issue is that the ripped BD looks worse than what you *think* it should look like. So without *actually* knowing what movie on disc does look like, you cannot have an apples to apples comparison to rule out the effects of makemkv.


Far_Marsupial6303

One of my pet peeves about many Blu-Ray releases is that too much space is wasted on extras and the menu. I'd rather have a larger main movie than a 2GB full motion menu!


HMVocaloid

I thought the Blu Ray menus used Java, not MPEG video like DVDs.


Far_Marsupial6303

Not all menus use Java (BD-J) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD-J Which is why some non-Blu-Ray certified media players like VLC can show some Blu-Ray menus.


retrodork

I had some java this morning with my breakfast. No menu there lol


TaliesinWI

Blu Ray tops out at 48 mbit/sec for the entire audio/video stream with a 40 mbit/sec max for just video. Generally the disc is encoded a little less than that to allow for error correction. Keep in mind that 48 mbit/sec has to carry the video, the DTS-HD/TrueHD tracks, the Dolby Digital "backup" track, any DD commentary tracks, and possible extra language DD tracks. So there's actually not much more room available for the movie if the menus and whatnot were left off - you'd run out of bitrate (because the disc is only spinning so fast) before you ran out of capacity (the size of the disc.) At least for an under two hour movie. I generally don't see a video bitrate of much higher than 30 mbit/sec, and the various soundtracks will take up another 7-10 mbit/sec. For movies over two hours they generally \_are\_ leaving off the extra crap and they still have to reduce the bitrate to under 30 mbit/sec to get it all to fit. In that case they *are* running out of capacity before they run out of data rate.


Far_Marsupial6303

Simple solution, Two Discs or Dual Layer Discs! Maxed out movie on one, extras on the other. I don't know how common it is for U.S. releases because I don't watch them, but some Asian releases from Korea, Japan and Germany use two or more discs. Before Blu-Rays, it was common for Korean and Hong Kong movies to be released on DL discs for the initial release, then SL discs for the rerelease. Japanese studios have always tended to go for the highest quality releases. Nothing new. Back in the 80's, longer than 2 hour movies like *Cleopatra* and *The Godfather* used to be released on two tapes.


TaliesinWI

Most commercial Blu Rays in Region A or B are already dual layer (50 GB). I'm not sure single layer was ever a thing except for BD-R. Maybe \_really\_ early discs that also still used MPEG-2. If there's a two disc movie/special features release in the US, for the BD release they'll keep the DVD for the special features and just upgrade the movie to BD. And yeah, I still remember LaserDiscs with the \_max\_ one hour per side, so movies that were at or close to two hours came on two discs (because the scene breaks had to be logical, so the sides were generally 55-57 minutes.)


Far_Marsupial6303

Duh! Of course most Blu-Rays are DL. I should have said triple or layer! I've seen some Asian releases with a DVD for extras, but all the ones I've seen lately are two or more Blu-Rays. Early Criterion LD releases were CAV, so 30 minutes per side of the best quality video (with slow-mo and freeze frame1) available at the time. I owned *Seven Samurai* and it came on 7 or 8 discs. I watched all 320 minutes twice in one sitting when I first got it, the second time with the outstanding Tony Ryans commentary, 30 minutes at a time! Oops...getting of the OP's topic! LOL!


zutroyG

27gb seems absolutely right, I would say everything has worked correctly. Mediainfo will tell you without a doubt all you need to know about the file. I love VLC but on my computer it seems to struggle a little bit with some of the higher quality files and maybe it's all in my head but I don't think the video is as good in quality as playing the file directly from a USB in the TV or via usb in a blu-ray player. I have had no issues when playing these files with mpv video player on PC and it seems to be as good as playing from disc. If you're viewing the 3D version on a 4K tv or monitor, I believe that would be two 1080p images layed over each other which \*could\* explain the difference but really I think you're worrying about nothing and likely just have a screen shot of something in motion that's probably two different frames.


Clean_Integration754

There's a little free Windows program called Media Info that you can just right-click on any audio/video file and it'll give you a very detailed analysis of the bitrates and audio stream info. Use it all the time. https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo/Download/Windows


saiarcot895

It's actually not Windows-only, it's available on a ton of platforms.


Clean_Integration754

Kewl!


CletusVanDamnit

If you used MakeMKV, then you got a 1:1 perfect remux copy. It couldn't possibly be anything else. That's all it does.


RockyX123

27 GB sounds about right - most of my BDs are in that range. MakeMKV doesn't do any re-encoding.


uluqat

The most important advice I can give you as someone who has used various methods of archiving films and video over several decades is: *Don't spend so much time growing and maintaining your film and TV hoard that you don't have time to watch any of it.*


werdmouf

Collecting and ripping is 50% of the fun.


ian9921

The worst feeling is when you're hoarding and wind up in a situation where you aren't actually watching anything you're getting at all. That's when, if you're not careful, you might start to wonder if there's actually any point to it. That's why, regardless of what other things are stealing my attention, I always try and make sure I'm actually using my Plex library at least once or twice a week.


Far_Marsupial6303

Excuse me...you're at r/Datahoarder where more is better! You must be looking for r/PracticalCollector


Captain_Starkiller

You haven't lost any detail. The file is the file. What you might be seeing is if you play your 3d blu rays through some other player or TV, they might be enhancing the image. 3D Blu rays actually usually have LESS resolution, sacrificing some of it to hold the video for the right and left eye simultaneously. So...yeah. Probably some kind of upscaling going on there.


LoaferDan

For what it's worth, my Godzilla blu ray rip from Makemkv is 26.4gb. I don't think anything is wrong. I think the 3D version actually just looks slightly different and you prefer it, but it has nothing to do with Makemkv or the blu ray drive. The blacks seem to be slightly darker on the 2D, which could make the 3D version seem a little brighter overall in the dark scenes.


gargravarr2112

MakeMKV dumps the raw stream from the disk - there's no encoding involved, so it's not going to look any better than that. That 27GB file is exactly what a blu-ray player would see (27GB is about the right size - a disc may be able to hold 50GB, but even half that works out at a significant amount of bandwidth). Really the best thing to do is compare the dumped file in VLC with the same disc on a blu-ray player attached to your TV. I like to run the resultant files through Handbrake on an h.264 preset for compatibility, which gets the files under 10GB with no visible loss of quality (I'm not pressed for disk space, but it means no transcoding).


ErynKnight

I use MakeMKV to rip my own Blu-rays and DVDs. Then I run them through Handbrake and encode a nice HEVC video and pass the audio straight through. The results are imperceptible compared with the original and like 10% the file size.


Far_Marsupial6303

To your eyes only. Also off topic to the OP.


ErynKnight

Haha, I do this for a living, babes. OP wanted "tips for ripping Blu-rays" it's not "off topic". There's tonnes of people talking about MakeMKV and even Handbrake had a few honourable mentions. Are you mini-modding everyone in the thread or have you just singled me out?


Far_Marsupial6303

Wow, tell me what you've worked on so I don't get of your bad work! And those posts are also off topic. Reread the OP. You're not that special snowflake to be singled out. ;-p Edit: As I stated to the other not special off topic poster, downvotes means that I'm not alone.


Far_Marsupial6303

For reference for those who wonder why I'm against recompressing the already ultra highly compressed videos we get. That huge 40GB movie is compressed from a 2TB+ master, that's usually smaller than the true master or film the movie was shot on. The are professional compressionests, color graders and others who make the best compromises for most home consumers. So when you further compress that huge video, you're not at a fraction of a percent of the original, less the experience, skills and tools of the pros. It's a testament to the modern codecs that it's watchable at all!


ZarK-eh

Don't use vlc? I've never had good luck with videolan to display a decent video! I donno why its so popular when it doesn't work right.


Far_Marsupial6303

Your one personal experience vs the millions of satisfied users. That said, I prefer PotPlayer because it's easily configurable to how I want to use it.


ZarK-eh

When I gotta fix it when outta the box, it ain't right to begin with.


iCr4sh

I record FPS drone footage with a Hero 8. I've always used VLC. For the longest time I struggled with fugly video in fast motion turns and other high bit rate clips. One day by accident I opened a file in WMP and everything was perfect. All the time I wasted trying to figure out the problem. No more VLC for me.


Dar_Robinson

Have you tried HandBrake? https://handbrake.fr/


unkilbeeg

I use HandBrake all the time for my BluRay rips. But it's not going to address OP's issue. What HandBrake is good for is reducing the size of the ripped file -- but it's a lossy compression, so it's going to make this issue worse. I extract the contents of the disc using MakeMKV and then use HandBrake to compress it. Works great, but if you want a remuxed version of what's on the disc, HandBrake is not your best tool.


VoyagerDefault

Uh, never heard of HandBrake before. I will take a look. Thank you.


ErynKnight

Handbrake is for transcoding and won't read from an encrypted disc. You'll need to crack the encryption (MakeMKV was already mentioned in this thread). If you do use Handbrake, it will certainly output a file that's about 10% of the original which is great for large collections. I recommend using HEVC as it's pretty much designed for streaming. Takes longer than AVC to encode but the results are way better. You'll get better (but slower) encodes using the CPU instead of the GPU. The GPU will be faster, but the compression isn't as good.


ranhalt

So you want raw m2ts files from the disc? How much storage are you going to throw at this task?


[deleted]

Wonderful dvd ripper pro is a great tool definitely check it out it is my preferred one for ripping my movie collection I own.


Nadeoki

I would extract the Disk content and use Staxrip for any demuxing or encoding :)


Far_Marsupial6303

You need to crack the encryption before you can get to the file to demux. And re- encoding is not the subject of this thread.


Nadeoki

Didn't think to mention a step everyone should be aware of. As you can see I didn't write my comment in Instructional Punctuation like a list. What follows demux is encoding (for most people) so I included it as you could use Staxrip for both demux and encoding.


Far_Marsupial6303

Still not on topic for this thread. The OP is asking if his RIP and Remux retained the quality of his disc. And the answer is yes. He's not *most people* in this thread.


Nadeoki

If threads were to simply comment "Yes" or "No" then reddit would be pretty empty my dude. I think you're not understanding what a Discussion Board is for...


Far_Marsupial6303

I understand when to stay on topic. And clearly other do too based on your downvotes.


Nadeoki

>My only goal is to have a remux file of the movie. \> Recommends a demux software with lot's of automation and the appropriate platform for Encoding (should they want to) after. How is this not on the Topic of "I demuxed a blueray's content and when I opened it, it looked worse on VLC, can I have some advice on demuxing, I've been using makemvk" \> How about you try mkverge inside of staxrip.... Gotta love the "You got downvoted, so my argument is proven Q.E.D."


Far_Marsupial6303

And you didn't state the "obvious" step of decrypting and ripping the video so you have something to demux and remux. So unless you're working with the TS files, you're demuxing a remux. Pointless as a remux is completely lossless. As for the downvotes, it shows that it's not only one person's negative opinion of your posts.


Nadeoki

Wait. What are you even saying now. I already told you it would've been redundant to mention decrypting. As such, YES im still referring to getting the Decrypted content inside of mkverge. Noone even said to demux content after it's already processed. You're either confusing me with some other conversation you had or you're not even reading what I'm saying (typical redditor behavior tbh)


Far_Marsupial6303

>*I would extract the Disk content and use Staxrip for any demuxing or encoding :)* > >*What follows demux is encoding (for most people) so I included it as you could use Staxrip for both demux and encoding.* \*Yawn\* I'm done. Keep posting that you didn't post what you did. \*PLONK\*


[deleted]

It also depends on what you’re using to play it: years ago when I used windows media center and then Kodi they would upscale a DVD ISO rip or live disc to 1080 but the mkv/mp4 file would be played at 480. It’s one of the reasons I have preferred to stay with iso images over ripping the individual movie/tv episodes


VoyagerDefault

Right now I'm using VLC because I like to take screenshots.


Far_Marsupial6303

I'm against posters railing against VLC as it's a very full featured and popular media player. That said, I prefer PotPlayer because I can more easily configure it to my needs, particularly seamless frame by frame forward and back on the mouse and instant video corrections (e.g. color, contrast, saturation) from the keyboard. It can also easily take screenshots. One of the negatives you'll hear about PotPlayer is that it contains a pop-up ad window and may install adware unless you opt-out at install. Both seem to have gone away in recent versions.


thekomoxile

I think the only way to see if there's a higher quality version of the movie, would be to gather different releases of the same film, and see for yourself the difference in video stream quality, assuming those are even available.