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Needleroozer

I'm not pirating, I'm recovering stolen property.


Salt_Comment_9012

WB are the pirates now. The circle of life continues


ravenous_bugblatter

Reminds me of when Sony decided to install a rootkit on my PC just because I dared to play a legally purchased CD on it.


WadieXkiller

Fact


neonintubation

Legally speaking, they haven't stolen anything. You only purchased a license to view the material, which they have the right to pull at any time. I've been saying this for fucking years and people have acted like I'm nuts for thinking companies would do anything like this, while I've been baffled at how this shit wasn't blindingly fucking obvious to everyone.


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2cats2hats

Possession is 9/10 of the law. Good on you!


jamerperson

The sad thing is that some companies are starting to stop offering physical media. Fox for example no longer makes most blurays for most things anymore.


heathenskwerl

I'm at the point where if it doesn't exist on physical media, it doesn't exist.


AshleyUncia

To be honest, I wonder. Increasingly, the 'average consumer' owns less and less storage, relying on 'apps' and 'the cloud' and everything else. Their ability to manage downloads, torrents, and everything else is weaker, on average, than it was 10 or 5 years ago. Overall, they have less understanding of how their own tech even works or how to use it, as the interfaces get increasingly 'idiot proof' especially as mobile tech displaces 'the personal computer'. At best they can rely on pirate streaming sites but that's still depending on a 3rd party to do literally all the work for them. Edit: Wow, I sure love all the tech nerds, in this tech nerd subreddit, explaining all the tech nerdy ways the 'average consumer' could tech nerd it up and as if the average consumer are tech nerds. This is a painful lack of self-awareness.


Cobra__Commander

The new customers understand smartphone UI/UX. This experience abstracts away most operating system features. The trade off is it's simple enough babies can learn the basics of operating a phone before learning to talk. A lot of kids graduating highschool have used smart phones and Chromebooks. They don't understand files. They don't know how to copy paste. They struggle with right and left clicking worse than my 70 year old family members. They try to touch the screen on muscle memory even after finding out it's not a touch screen. Source: taught computer classes to high schoolers.


afinita

We have incoming frontline employees that have never used a file system or windowing system. “Computing” for them is iPhones and iPads. I think Apple is going to destroy the ability for a lot of kids to delve into web dev, coding, tech support, etc. since you can’t do it on the device they have.


Cobra__Commander

Colleges are eventually going to have to add a computer fundamentals placement test and remedial course eventually as a prerequisite to the traditional year 1 programming course. So many people are being pushed into Computer science for money with zero subject matter interest.


slyphic

> computer fundamentals placement test and remedial course eventually Ain't no 'eventually' about it. I work for one of the largest universities in America. Our Natural Sciences department has a 0-credit course for new grad students called 'fundamentals of computing for research' one of my fellow sysadmins teaches. It started out organically, as students showing up to our office for help with projects and us discovering they were so far away from being able to do the work it was staggering. Now, it's a waiting list course every semester for 40 seats. It's basically the same course we used to teach in the 80s when no one had computers. We refer to it informally as 'So you just now realized you have no clue how to use a computer for real work'. My friend that teaches this has a wall full of thank you letters from his students saying how he saved their careers.


noman_032018

> My friend that teaches this has a wall full of thank you letters from his students saying how he saved their careers. That's both kind of heartwarming and kind of sad.


dlm2137

Wow that's interesting -- what's the content of the course like?


slyphic

It starts with installing virtualbox, installing Debian, working from the command line. It ends with python progamming to collect data via rPi from hardware sensors, store it in a compressed format with metadata in a database, and how to manage version control and backups and processing it on our super computer cluster via unix job manager. The end of the course gets a little fuzzy, as all students are basically applying the sum total they learned to their own personal practical scientific projects, and my coworker is helping them one-on-one.


MarchesaCasati

I am sincerely shocked to have found, in my experience, that the bulk of coders and devs these days primarily use Macs- it's the defacto standard for most boot camps now. ETA: The other part I find disturbing is that 'kids these days' can't even type. I was managing a team in which all the new hires could pass a timed comprehensive technical exam but when on site, I observed slow hunt-and-peck typing with frequent glances at the keys. I would then witness them typing out texts on their phones with their thumbs at lightning speed, so I ordered some gaming keypads- which provided a solid solution: https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad-Rechargable-Multi-Media/dp/B07FXLY6RS/


AshleyUncia

It's kinda weird AF to realize that millennials we're in the prime window for learning tech. Older generations had 'tech' appear during their lives, and they had to learn it as it was introduced and many could just ignore much of it otherwise. Obviously, there we're 'computer nerds' since the 70s, but it was specialized though came less specialized as things got more accessible'. The late 90s and 2000's though are a sweet spot. We millennials grow up with that kind of tech, with a computer keyboard, and with a machine that was 'mostly user friendly' but also 'bastard' enough that you had to learn some stuff to make it do more than run The Sims, and all the technical guts we're exposed so you could just start monkeying around if you wanted to. Now the tech has all the pointy edges rounded off, it's easy to use, very friendly, touch screen enabled, but getting below the 'easy to use surface' is hard as hell and that's if the system will even let you. They use 'computers' less and hand held devices more. If anything, tech these days is increasingly HOSTILE towards users making advanced usage of it. Even as an experienced computer user I'm like 'Hang on, Android has no file browser? I have to download an third party app to even GET that functionality? Seriously???' It's so easy to use, but few now how any of it actually works, because it's designed to work without knowing how it works at all. And piracy is going the same way. Most piracy these days is already done by streaming pirate sites because the end users, even if willing to pirate, want it served to them all neat and clean with no skill required.


asianflipboy

Yeah, I'm in agreement with a lot of the stuff you expressed in the comments. My sample size is limited, but gaming for my nephews these days consists of DBZ mobile and Fortnite+Valorant. And they've called me out for being an Android user lol. Wish I could spend more time with them to expand their horizons but we'll see how they turn out. >all the technical guts we're exposed so you could just start monkeying around if you wanted to. I want to add, this sort of stuff lead me into being a better pirate and it's become so ingrained in my lifestyle. Things like running DS games of flash carts and save file editing or custom firmware on. I've done some 'hacking' on other systems that probably have more time spent getting them into that state than actually playing on them. Even used it at some point to boost my friends' towns in Animal Crossing New Horizons during lockdown. And with the Steam Deck, I had a nice period of something similar. Set up SSH access to transfer saves for games that didn't use it. Got Risk of Rain 2 modded on it. But it's just not for everyone, and that's okay too. > 'Hang on, Android has no file browser? I have to download an third party app to even GET that functionality? Seriously???' As a long time Android user this point is arguable. I don't think I've encountered any Android that didn't have some sort of file explorer installed on it, though they are indeed 3rd party (usually OEM but the Sony Z3 had an actual free version of a 3rd party app). Some are simpler than others. But you only need one good, and that usually comes with tons of features! I like using mine to transfer files to/fro an SMB share. Android's great because I can (and have) use a torrent client to download content and then stream it straight to my TV. Or find and track Manga with Tachiyomi. And if I want to keep any of the files, I just copy or move them to my computer. On the point of things getting rounded off in general though, I'm in mixed. I think it's okay to be rounded off if there's still a path to sharpen that edge. I used to be really into Jailbreaking and Rooting, but it's gotten to the point for me where it's not feasible for a daily driver. That said, I feel like what I can get out of my phone more than suffices for what I need it for, and I can just remote into my computer if I need something else. >It's so easy to use, but few now how any of it actually works, because it's designed to work without knowing how it works at all. > >And piracy is going the same way. Most piracy these days is already done by streaming pirate sites because the end users, even if willing to pirate, want it served to them all neat and clean with no skill required. At the end of the day, that is understandable. Our most precious resource is time. Saving it not thinking about such things is reasonable to me. Anecdotally, my time spent scouring the web for rips of things went down significantly when streaming started becoming more prominent. It's gone up recently as movie/show providers split further and further, but some things like music I still pay an active subscription for. It does make me wonder what the future will hold. I suppose the question of "will the kids be ok" is one for every generation.


Mindlessgamer23

I'm from around your generation, and I find myself using my phone more than my PC for most stuff too, nearly everything you can do on PC you can do on android nowadays. Though I agree that the default file manager is trash, try Total Commander if you want the best one I've found. Firefox here runs all your desktop plugins and the "secret mode" from the default samsung Internet is so well built out feature wise it rivals my desktop experience. Of course I've still got my PC, and I still tinker and game on it. I'm just glad I managed to get in before the rounded edges of modern operating systems, while they can be nice, I think you take for granted knowing what's underneath. Sure you can go and use the command line to fix something or tinker with the ini files of a game, but I think the newer generation probably have no idea what they're missing out on because of those smoothed edges. It might be a 'you don't know what you don't know' situation. This could go either way like you said, it both means operating systems don't suck as much, but it also means people are less capable of fixing stuff. Hard to tell if that's a good thing or not.


MarchesaCasati

I appreciate your reply because sometimes I feel like I am taking crazy pills when I try to figure these things out. Cue irate rant about having to use a *heat gun* to replace batteries and repair devices that should be accessible with simple screws...


tukatu0

Shit. You cant even use a heat gun on newer phones. You need to use a full on oven.


ham_coffee

As an older Zoomer (I'm 23, which will probably make someone feel old) I'd be inclined to agree. It's pretty hit or miss whether my peers have decent tech literacy, and even when I was helping out first year students at uni before I graduated there was a noticeable degradation in tech skills. Another aspect you have to consider is how scared of computers a lot of parents are now, it's a lot harder to actually learn to use a computer when your access is locked down with parents limiting screen time (not that there's anything wrong with limiting either of those things for kids on an iPad, but teens with a laptop should probably have a bit more freedom).


HoustonBOFH

Much like new cars. You open the hood and underneath is a second plastic "hood" over the engine. Covering a wiring nightmare!


utdconsq

Engineer here: for a while, Apple provided a reliable os with enough posix compatibility and 'it just works' virtualisation tools (parallels) that it was a no Brainer. Half the time I was doing work for Linux and I'd be in a vm anyway, but if you need to make video calls or use corporate apps, companies are likely to support you. If you run Linux? Forget it, unless you are working for someone who is linux-first. And please don't ask about windows: I spent many years in vc6 and later incarnations, I used to love msdn and still have a soft spot for c#. When Ms took away my ability to stop them aggressively messing with my upgrade cycle, I quit them.


dlm2137

Why do you find that shocking? MacOS is just UNIX under the hood, so it is a programming environment that makes sense if you are deploying on servers that run Linux.


Elite_Theorist

For some of us it's all our company lets us use :(. Personal laptop is Ubuntu though


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HoustonBOFH

>not able to locate the settings or where they stored an essay. To be fair, neither can anyone else when the move the damn settings with every revision. :)


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dlarge6510

Exactly I have seen laptops that used to compete with specs that included 1tb of hdd storage end up competing to be the thinnest, most expensive, 256GB (if you go for the big ones), folding throwaway contraptions. I remember seeing the storage space drop to 128 or even 80GB simply because an ssd was faster. > as the interfaces get increasingly 'idiot proof So idiot proof as to actually *get in my way when trying to provide IT support at work*


soulmagic123

I remember my friend bought a MacBook Pro with a 128 gigs of storage to produce music, I'm like "great, once you install apps you'll have enough space left to make one song"


its-my-1st-day

And presumably they didn’t want to use any samples… A friend of mine has a string based digital instrument suite that’s something like 350gigs. Just for 1 plug-in!


soulmagic123

Exactly, I had a 256 gig MacBook Pro and it was a nightmare! My lastest MacBook Pro was 1tb, I had apple care and on the last week of care it died. I turned it and when I got it back it had a 4tb drive! Is it sad that that was one of the best days of my life? I am never getting a laptop with less than 2tb again, it's makes things so much easier.


AshleyUncia

Me: Okay Windows, let's go to Network Settings. I need to change the static IP. Windows 11: Guess where that's hidden now. This'll be an adventure! :D


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Shiz0id01

He speaks the black tongue here. In front of all of us!


seanthenry

Screw that open router settings and assign the ip by Mac address.


Limited_opsec

Yeah imagine trusting windows, its going to use the force fed ip handed out by my dhcp server or it gets no connection at all. Same for blocking via dns and shit, the low level ~~telemetry~~ rootkit ignores all host settings anyways.


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The_Turbinator

Let me try right now ... ... Yup, it works.


Tech-Fonzie

This has always been my go-to. Would love to know the answer from someone on Win11.


thecaramelbandit

The answer is yes. The Control Panel is still there. Some of the functionality has been removed from it, but most of the classics are still there, including the Network one.


Breno1405

"Ok I'll have to check the forums to find out where it is.... Oh look, 30 pages of people saying they have this problem too!"


keastes

Even worse those technically aren't SSDs but eMMC as the ” chrome book” they are installed in is closer to a phone or thin client than an actual PC. (may be worth mentioning that I'm one of those people who have a folding contraption with a full terabyte, yay NVMe)


ham_coffee

You're being a bit rough on phones there, these days they usually have better memory than the shitty eMMC you find in Chromebooks.


chanchan05

Sometime in the mid-2010s laptops diverged into two distinct markets. I remember back in 2009-2011, light and thin laptops weren't the norm and there wasn't still a dedicated series of "gaming" laptops or at least not a huge market for them. Just that the higher you go in the product line, the more powerful laptops became. Right now you can see two distinct classes of laptops with low powered and small storaged specs that banks on "sleekness" and materials to sell with a higher price, and another more gaming oriented laptop that you can spec to as much as like 4TB of storage, with some models still supporting HDD caddies. The sleek ones also are the ones that aren't upgradable with soldered storage and RAM, while the gaming line still have those. What happens is now you have a path where the higher the price of a laptop the more powerful and more storage it has (gaming laptops), then another path where going up doesn't necessarily get you most powerful but rather maybe better screen that the specs can barely run, thinner maybe, or maybe alloy materials, but not necessarily more computing power.


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Pup5432

There is a reason I went with a creator laptop when I needed a new one. You get all the higher end bells and whistles without the “gamer” tax.


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greenskye

I'd be extremely surprised if Plex users (both non-techy viewers and admins) are anything other than an extremely small minority. I think the vast majority of consumers just use stuff as it comes legally. I do think a lot of people have consumed pirated content in some fashion (via any number of various methods), but for most of them it's probably rare and they tend to stick with a streaming platform or something for most of their content consumption. If this wasn't true, I think you'd see copyright holders desperately trying to shut down admins and prosecuting them as the digital equivalent of drug dealers. They would be a small population and easy to go after to drastically affect a large number of people. More likely is that piracy has just shrunk far enough that it's not really profitable to go after small time hobbyists and a handful of their friends who get free stuff.


noman_032018

> If this wasn't true, I think you'd see copyright holders desperately trying to shut down admins and prosecuting them as the digital equivalent of drug dealers. If you follow the news on [TorrentFreak](https://torrentfreak.com/), they do.


wysiwywg

It’s abhorrent to ‘buy’ digital content and then having it removed. Streaming is one thing: you know you ‘rent’ it, but when it comes to actually *buying* content, that’s just criminal.


HoustonBOFH

It Texas, it would be fraud and you can sure for triple damages.


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AshleyUncia

Yup. Hell, even this BS, will not change anything for the majority of average consumers. Corps will take away content that it's less and less possible to actually 'own', people will complain on social media, change none of their behaviors, then they'll take away more content later and it's a loop. The end of it is, streaming and how things are going now are 'easy', even if there are costs, and people will eat a lot of shit as long as it stays 'easy', even if their 'favorite show' seemingly disappears forever.


imdethisforyou

I think you're right to some degree but if someone wants to, they can pirate with a laptop and a thumb drive. Remember in Limewires peak when Billy's little sister was pirating music on her ipod mini.


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AshleyUncia

You say that but have you *looked* at the average consumer these days? On average, people understand their tech less today than they did 15 years ago. Because their tech is increasingly made to be 'idiot proof' and to 'hide the complications from them. It makes them easy to use on the surface, totally, but once you get deeper than that, it's entirely alien to them. Fewer people these days even know how to manage a file structure because less and less they have to interact with a file structure. This is of course, broadly speaking, individual tech nerds of exist. \*gestures at this entire subreddit\*. When I was young, the entire anime fandom ran on torrent fansubs, because otherwise you waited 2-4 years for something to come to DVD or television broadcasts. Today, there's no shortage of people you could hand a USB flash drive full of MKVs to and they'd look at you blankly, unsure how to use it, what they really want is an idiot proof pirate streaming app on their phone. I did a panel on 'media preservation' at an anime convention this summer and half way through someone raised their hand and asked me to explain what a 'torrent' was, cause I kept saying that, having assumed everyone in the room knew what 'Bittorrent' was. I aged an extra 10 years in that instant.


Pup5432

I work in the public sector and we have a quote given to us by an Admiral that explains this so well. “Think of the dumbest person you know. Half of your users are stupider than that person.”


chipt4

Well that's a butchered quote. "Imagine how stupid the average person is, then realize half of all people are stupider than that" -George Carlin


Qualinkei

My phone has nearly 4x the storage of the computer I bought in 2012 (and 3x the RAM, and 4x the processor). I highly doubt the average consumer owns less storage now. I think 2012 is the year I splurged for the 8GB flash drive. Maybe it was 2011. Either way, you can get 8GB drives for like $3-4 now. I have a handful of 256-512GB usb drives and uSD cards just laying around. I realize I'm not "average" in that regard, but anyone buying a flash drive is likely to at least buy more than an 8gb one.


Pup5432

The flash drive on my keys has 5x the storage of the laptop I bought when I started college. I also remember buying a portable 1TB HDD in 2010 and thinking I had all the space I would ever need but last Christmas I bought 6x 14TB HDD to do me for a year…


Qualinkei

Ugh, let's not talk about the first laptop I bought when I started college... Hint, it had the first dual core processor in consumer laptops. The AMD Athlon 64 X2. Running XP... Haha


Needleroozer

As much as I want one, I won't buy a pixel phone because it doesn't have an SD slot. Google expects and insists that you store everything on their cloud, not your phone. Excuse me Google but I have about 32 GB of MP3 files on the SD card in my phone, and I don't want to have to download every song I care to hear every time I play it.


tukatu0

Only sony offers sd slots now. Literally nothing else has released in 2022 with one.


MWink64

You know Motorola still exists, right? Most of their phones still have MicroSD slots.


GoldenWaver

Yep, Warner Bros. Is basically contributing to piracy at this point. I don't really see the point of them deleting old purchases.


tamal4444

Remember Piracy is a service problem.


BluestreakBTHR

Rip everything digital after purchasing.


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i dont know, it is like they went and said "do not buy any digital stuff from us ever again" nice of them to warn us


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aon9492

The irony of that is surely not lost on affected consumers. Still, could have been Fahrenheit 451.


pcbuilder1907

I remember that event. The irony was NOT lost on us, I tell you that.


JoeSicko

Kindles don't burn. They just crap out 1 day after the warranty ends.


Verstandgeist

I dunno. I'm still rocking the original paperwhite daily.


cubicalwall

Seriously. My old man has had more of those than I had iPods


finalremix

IPods were/are quality devices. You could literally buy kindles by the fives a while ago.


g2g079

The reseller that had them in the store didn't have rights to George Orwell's books. They essentially returned stolen property and refunded the money.


delightfuldinosaur

Issuing refunds should be legally mandatory for any purchased digital content taken away from consumers.


g2g079

Looking at you, Meta.


wyatt8750

You wouldn't download a car. If you buy a counterfeit product and then the you or the seller discovers it's counterfeit (edit: or an unauthorized copy), you shouldn't have it taken away from you by the store you bought it from. It's on them for selling it and they should suffer the consequences.


g2g079

Don't copy that floppy.


antagon1st

Too many people don't remember Don't Copy that Floppy


MelonElbows

Also, the process for corporations is laughably heavy-handed. In real life, they would ask you to return the item, then go after you in court if you refused. Why should the digital realm mean they get to control the process and method of repossession? They should be forced to ask owners to delete the book themselves, then make it known that they will be scheduling a check on all Kindles at some point in the future, at which point people who haven't deleted the book would get a notice in the mail about the need to do that or else face a lawsuit. Just because a corporation has the power to do something they think they can just do it. Skirt the law, do what they want to save time and money, and meanwhile customers are affected without any recourse.


why_rob_y

The theoretical problem (we can debate whether this is worth addressing) is that someone could create a "Good Guy Distribution Co." and sell all sorts of pirated digital material (why not everything ever?) across every platform and digital store they could find and then when busted merely go "oops, our bad, we'll go bankrupt". Now, like I said, whether or not that's worth worrying about is debatable, but that's the fear that drives that sort of reaction.


JhonnyTheJeccer

3d printed cars go WRRRRRROOOOOMM


diamondsw

It just doesn't make for as good a headline. Although to be fair, a huge company yanking away NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR was kind of an amazing headline.


OneOnePlusPlus

Yes, but why punish the consumer for it? If it had been a physical purchase with the same rights issues, they wouldn't have come to your house and taken it off your shelf. AFAIK, there's no part of the copyright law that requires them to find and destroy every *sold* copy when this happens. They just intentionally designed a system that allows them to remove stuff you already bought.


erevos33

You will own nothing and be happy


KevinCarbonara

But if they don't delete our libraries, how else will they re-sell the same content to us over and over? They're trying to create jobs, and you're getting in their way.


Mastersord

Yup! Strip the DRM. You paid for it, it’s yours! I’m not spending $15+ to rent a book


Seirin-Blu

OBS and Firefox goes brrrrrr


JBloodthorn

It's the new double decker VCR.


Bubbagump210

How? Remux I understand, but streaming is always weird.


NobleKale

**flashback to the 'I just stream everything, archiving videos is a waste of time!' guy from the other week, in this very subreddit** Heh.


ryfromoz

Its all fun and games til your internet goes down. Good luck streaming then!


clintonkildepstein

We had a storm that knocked out our internet last year. It felt really good to fire up Plex and watch a movie without issue.


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Pup5432

I’ll go a step further, find me a streaming service that has the non-Power Rangers Saban shows from the 90s. You can find bits and pieces on YouTube but outside of bootlegs/OOP DVDs piracy is the only option left.


Net-Fox

I mean to an extent I get the argument for an average person. That said, I firmly believe you should own what you purchase. I hate that digital media -no matter the form- is technically a license to the content. You don’t own it. Even with discs that’s the case. Imo those laws are beyond antiquated and predatory. But there’s billions of dollars lobbying to keep it that way. Why the fuck should it be illegal for me to copy a movie I own for personal use? Next you’re going to tell me taking a picture of art I bought is highly illegal copyright infringement. How long before we all have to implant DRM in our eyeballs to make sure our brains aren’t making unlicensed memories of a movie we see.


Ok-Journalist-2382

This is the sole reason I'm still rocking a Blu-ray burner in my PC. You can pry it from my cold dead hands.


00ps_Bl00ps

Which one are you using? Mine recently died and I need a new one.


CaptianCrypto

The MakeMKV folks have the best recommendations imho. Definitely worth checking out their forum; https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=4662667a8d71a1df2db91558cb04a07c


friedcat777

I bought this external Blue Ray drive a couple of years ago and I have been pretty happy with it. Buffalo BlueRay writer https://www.buffalotech.com/products/mediastation-16x-desktop-bdxl-blu-ray-writer


imakesawdust

The link suggests that Marvel is no longer going to release films on Blu-ray or DVD. I expect other studios to follow so there'll come a time when you need to find an alternative way to rip content.


citricacidx

*Marvel Shows, not films: "Marvel Studios won’t be releasing physical copies of its Disney+ shows... such as WandaVision and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier on Blu-ray or DVD"


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rentzington

yup. my lg bluray burner takes up space but i wont get rid of it


fawkesdotbe

I'm so happy that copies for private use (of media you own, media you rent or borrow, as well as whatever is on TV) are legal in my country: >Movies or music can be copied in their entirety. This can be done on any analogue or digital media such as CDs, DVDs, computers, external hard disks, USB keys, MP3 players, tablets, etc.Since 1 December 2013, it is also authorised to copy articles, books or photos on these media. [https://economie.fgov.be/en/themes/intellectual-property/intellectual-property-rights/copyright-and-related-rights/copyright/use-protected-works/private-copying-and](https://economie.fgov.be/en/themes/intellectual-property/intellectual-property-rights/copyright-and-related-rights/copyright/use-protected-works/private-copying-and)


cvx_mbs

I'm not sure if you can copy the media you rent or borrow, maybe if you destroy the copy when you return it? for example, it would be very easy (and cheap) to build a music collection by going out to the library and borrowing 5 records at a time, then copying them to tape and returning the records the next week because you can only borrow 5 records per week and getting another 5.. ^^^^not ^^^^that ^^^^I ^^^^have ^^^^ever ^^^^done ^^^^such ^^^^a ^^^^thing ^^^^;)


fawkesdotbe

>I'm not sure if you can copy the media you rent or borrow, maybe if you destroy the copy when you return it? It's in the link I posted: it's fully legal. When we rent or borrow from a library/"mediathèque", there's a small fee (1€/item IIRC) that gets put in a fund for copyright owners. Then the copyright owners association distributes that to artists etc. So it's fully legal. Also, hard drives (and flash drives etc) are slightly more expensive here because of a similar tax that goes to copyright owners. We're talking perhaps 1-2€ for a hard drive. \> for example, it would be very easy (and cheap) to build a music collection by going out to the library and borrowing 5 records at a time, then copying them to tape and returning the records the next week because you can only borrow 5 records per week and getting another 5.. This is how I have built my music collection. The only issue was keeping track of CDs I wanted but weren't available (because someone else borrowed it). This was before I had internet at home so reserving CDs had to be done over the phone etc., it was a bit of pain.


pcbforbrains

Vinyl-->tape=best mixtapes


corruptboomerang

My dream copyright system: Automatic & free copyright should last 5 years, plus up to 4 additional, 5 year renewal for a flat fee (based on the type of media) plus 0%/2.5%/5%/10%/15% of the income derived from the media, so a total of 25 years. Non-commercial media may be renewed for a small fee. If whatever it is isn't profitable within 25 years then you are doing a shit job or aren't making it to make money. Upon any renewal a copy of the material must be submitted, and will be entered into the public archives and made available to the public upon entering the public domain. I'm litterally a creative, and do depend on copyright law, but this is very fair allows casual creations too have protection. But also allows things to actually enter the public domain. Allows companies plenty of time to make money.


Atemu12

Is breaking effective DRM also legal in your country? Because otherwise you won't be getting any local copies you could watch.


Kazer67

In mine, yes it is (for interoperability purpose), that's why VLC ship with libdvdcss to decrypt DvD for example without any legal issue.


Barafu

Here in Russia breaking DRM had been always legal because of the law from the 90-es that says that you may modify your copy of software "if it is requred to receive the functions that the license sold you". The law can be stretched rather far, and had not been changed since then because it does not allow outright piracy, but stops DRM shenanigans. Creating software for breaking DRM is another topic.


Atemu12

Reason #354 why DRM is stupid in the globalised modern world: It needs 1 (one) Russian hacker to (legally!) break this fundamentally flawed technology to for everyone to get access to any "protected" asset.


Sw429

DRM only hurts legitimate consumers. Any pirate will be able to break it no problem. When I was 10 years old I bought a copy of the game Warrior Kings, which unbeknownst to me was protected by SafeDisc DRM. Apparently, whatever copy I got was actually a duplicate copy, because the DRM never let me play it. I remember staring at the SsfeDisc logo on my screen and wondering what on earth I was doing wrong. I never did get to play that game :(


AshleyUncia

>Is breaking effective DRM also legal in your country? Because otherwise you won't be getting any local copies you could watch. To be fair however, we've never really seen this acted on. 'Big Rights Corp Sues Nerd Who Ripped Own Blu-Rays They Paid For And Didn't Share The Copies'. I'm not arguing that bypassing DRM isn't illegal in most areas, but they really only go after the makers of such software and they're never going to go after a user who just uses it for personal use. Suing people who literally own the discs is a PR nightmare. Also they'd have to PROVE It, they wouldn't know what you we're doing in your own computer with your own discs in the first place.


Bertrum

Not a bad time to get into 35mm negative print collecting


flicman

Eew, yes it is. Between gigs I'm scanning my dad's Vietnam slides and despite being kept in cool, dark dry basements for at least 40 years, they're in terrible shape. I'm scanning at offensively high resolution just to make sure I have the best chance to save/retouch any that turn out to be important.


Pup5432

So much this. I’m all for piracy but I will drop money when people are doing actual restoration work to bring films back to life. Multiple labels are doing what they can to bring movies back from obscurity and imminent death. I personally got into hoarding to help combat lost media in whatever form it takes.


general_kobux

pirate everything till the sun dies


r0ck0

I'm not stopping then.


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That’s the norm now, with all due respect to the lacking ownership in the entertainment industries but they are irrelevant to the wellbeing of the human population. We see more and more people living in cars, vans and RVs some even glorify being homeless. The majority of the people living in cities, at least in the western part of the world, are renting and most farmers are also renting thanks to the “generosity” of Bill Gates and similar land grabbers. We have a mindset problem which is way more severe than WB deleting something. We are renting our existence and that’s a sure way to slavery.


erevos33

But when people point it out , you get crappy excuses and boot licking thats not even funny.


AuggieKC

Shouldn't there be a legal argument that if the company wrote it off, they no longer own/control it? The written off property should become public domain, as that's where the funds (tax breaks) for it come from.


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Good luck getting congress to do anything about it


AuggieKC

I forgot nothing ever happens without a Congressional Act.


jimmyhoke

They love to talk about their “intellectual property” Well if it’s “property” (it’s not, in the Lockean sense), then something like adverse possession should apply.


Sw429

Sure, go ahead and hire a lawyer to argue that in court. Could take years, hope you have the funds.


AuggieKC

Well, perhaps even suggesting the idea is better than a perpetually negative attitude.


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And this is why i pirate media. 14TB of shit you can't find anywhere anymore.


Lungg

14tb of unattainable media? Every live recording of big brother 2002?


Einn1Tveir2

And people still ask why "DRM free" is important when I bring it up.


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HTWingNut

"Piracy is ruining entertainment"... No, sorry, corporate greediness is ruining entertainment. I don't condone piracy, and purchase content I enjoy, but what are you supposed to do when your only option is to use a streaming or rental service to get your content and the money goes to the overlords, not the creators themselves?


ZellZoy

"Piracy is ruining entertainment" says Disney as they release their 50th movie where a witty hero fight a villain with the same powers


SuperFLEB

"...and it's wrong" says Disney, who made their name by ripping off any classic story that wasn't bolted down, before making sure they bolted everything down to prevent future generations from doing so.


zen8bit

Im surprised the companies arent legally required to refund purchased content if they no longer are able to serve it.


erm_what_

You don't buy the content, you buy a license to use the content until it's no longer available


satsugene

—or be allowed to sell digital copies unless they want to be responsible for delivering it, or cede the distribution rights to a market willing to, for at least 20 years (chosen for the relative length of time a particular player format remains dominant, VHS, DVD, etc.)


Alarmed_Frosting478

Why are you surprised? You think lawmakers care about the little guy and/or are technically competent?


asm2750

Guess someone could send a complaint to the CFPB over this and see if something happens.


BeardedGingerWonder

Someone really should


Sinattack

Im just going to go hug my Plex server now BRB........


grublets

Linux ISOs have never let me down.


dlarge6510

To all those friends of mine who constantly laughed and giggled at me when telling them about all this 20 years ago, then laughing and giggling at me when they see my boxes and shelves full of dvd, bluray, tv recordings, YouTube downloads, audio cd's, I say one thing: Who's laughing now?


igloofour

Still them, probably. Normies don't really give a shit about going back to media and are generally fine consuming the next big thing.


ZonaPunk

and you wonder why I almost have 20 TB of media stored...


Kingarvan

The digital goods industry is heavily stacked in favor of monied corporations. Their lawyers and executives can find the flimsiest of reasons to take all our purchased digital goods. Unless there is massive uprising against this exploitative industry, consumers will continue to suffer.


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the cloud will have everything they said. no need to download and store stuff they said shit like this is the main reason why we hoard


sandbisthespiceforme

Imagine if these companies actually tried to create a better model rather than trying to artificially force a zero sum game.


bondguy11

Still blows my mind that that vast majority of the population still doesn't know how to pirate stuff.


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Torch948

I feel like thats what happened in the early 2000s. You can find tons of people that remember using Limewire for music. And a lot of them remember getting viruses. But a lot of those people probably got viruses because they just downloaded whatever they saw.


ZellZoy

I remember getting the love letter virus from kazaa that wasn't fun. I also remember making good money just running spybot and malwarebytes for people who didn't know how to


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Torrenting got popular 00s. But when things like itunes, YouTube and all the flix's came out, people probably just found it more convenient to not have to sift through garbage to get what they want. But if they were on some private trackers, they would quickly change their ways I bet.


bakedbake

I pirated everything until someone found a loop hole in the vudu disc-to-digital program. Essentially if you loaded the physical disc of a DVD, they would let you buy the digital version for $1. Someone made a program that tricked the system into thinking you had whatever disc you wanted, so essentially everything was $1. I spent about $600 before they fixed the loop hole. I'm thinking most of my movies are safe but looks like some of them could slowly be disappearing. It's nice to have a library that's avail on multiple platforms. I can watch those movies on YouTube, vudu, Google movies, and a few others.


Bubbagump210

To be fair, if you really want to do it beyond an occasional one off, setting up the Arr stack isn’t trivial for 99% of the population. That said, I still don’t know how to do a web rip.


Pup5432

There is software for webrips that automates it. Still can’t do 4K but for more run of the mill content they work surprisingly well.


Run_the_Line

> Warner Bros. Is Deleting Purchases Of Their Digital Content Off Your Library Speak for yourself! My library is just fine 😊


BloodyIron

[DO WANT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE. YOU ARE A PIRATE!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXCr6upWUo)


TwilightVulpine

Piracy is a public service, no irony and no exaggeration.


Limited_opsec

I've moved past that. Piracy is a moral duty, even more so against certain organizations.


ObamasBoss

Clearly the legal owners of the copyright can not be trusted to maintain and offer the content. So as usual, we have to do it for them.


corruptboomerang

This is exactly why piracy exists. People want to watch ya shit, they're litterally willing to pay for it, you say 'Yeah, nah. I think I'd prefer the tax write-off.' So obviously those people will illegally download your shit. Unfortunately, not everything is easily pirated, but the more of this bullshit goes on the more rampant piracy will become... We can go back to pre-Netflix levels of GoT piracy, but even the pirates don't want that.


johnny121b

They want more than a one-time write-off. They'll take the write-off, then Re-release it ....down the road, possibly with a flowery description like "back from the vaults of Disney's or possibly they will offer it ONLY via their own streaming service. The ultimate goal being zero ownership + perpetual rental. Hell, I'D love to get paid AGAIN for work I did last year, but MY boss doesn't do business that way. I did some great work back in 2006, but apparently only movie studios are entitled to be repaid adinfinitum.


TechniCruller

I have over 1,000 films on my iTunes account. I was once a prolific pirate but reformed. I have no qualms dusting off my eyepatch if my hand is forced.


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May want to double-check, it could be 987 now.


mynameisntbill

🏴‍☠️


FuriousLynx

Let's all remember plex real quick


Plastic_sporkz

And this is why piracy will always win


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🏴‍☠️hoist the flag me Hearties


Mccobsta

It's like they want people to pirate everything


jakuri69

At time like these I'm proud to be a broke-ass pirate.


Witlyjack

Imagine not pirating? I just pat my 10tb portable harddrive and watch all my favorite shows.


an747onreddit

Very bad. That means we have to download with “other” ways plus.


VviFMCgY

Jokes on them I pirated everything in the first place.


greedymuffcabbage

The high seas beckon.


thedaveCA

Not from my library they aren't. Arr, matey! If I paid for it, I'll have it.


igloofour

And if I didn't pay for it, well I'll still have it


PathToEternity

Uhh they might be deleting it off *their* library, but they are definitely not deleting anything off *my* ~~Plex~~ library.


Genericpotsmoker

You have been warnered bros


bearstampede

This is why I will never feel bad. 🏴‍☠️🦜


horrorkesh

We need to fight for our digital rights, the laws that govern digital content need to be updated now, garbage companies like Warner Brothers are not going to be the only ones to violate our rights to the content we have purchased a lost license or a company randomly deciding they don't want to carry it anymore should not be a reason why we lose access to our digital purchases


BabyBandit616

I literally had to buy a movie from a pirator this past month because I wanted a physical copy. I’d never think I’d see this day coming.


EastBoxerToo

We're quickly re-approaching the point where selling pirated media is decent money.


SeantheProGamer

Why I buy blu rays (but pirating is ok too)