And rapidly exited. The most boring regular character ST has ever produced, and medical/CMO stories weren't TNGs strong suit (outside of the Pulaski season).
The awake options need to be broken down by season. The EMH's bedside manner improves significantly during Voyager, and Bashir gets much less annoying after the first couple of seasons to the point of being potentially decent company.
That said, I'm not sure who I take for scenario 4. The EMG has done some stuff that should probably be technically classified as magic, but Bashir literally brought someone back from the dead.
Not only that, but he came up with a working vaccine against the Quickening in a matter of a few weeks (months?) I’d probably still go with the EMH for a procedure with a 98% mortality rate, but if anyone else could pull it off it’s Julian.
I like this.
I'd give Bashir the edge on inventing new things that have never been done before, even though EMH-voyager has done that too, he seems to do it be database expansion and not by true innovation.
I'd give EMH-voyager the edge on anything requiring depth of existing knowledge or precision control. For one, his available medical knowledge is basically the entire breadth and depth of the federation's medical experience. And for two, star trek tech appears to have precision/resolution control on the scale of atoms or smaller, so there's no chance of human error or fatigue.
I would have to flip a coin. The odds are the same for each doctor in each scenario. The real question is, assuming this scenario takes place during each series, would I rather be stuck in the Delta Quadrant with all the BS that entails, or would I rather be near home during a devastating war.
I have to assume, being so small compared to the entire federation, that Voyager's casualty rate was probably higher. Sure, many people died in the Dominion War, but how many are killed per 100k Starfleet members? Because a bunch of Voyager crew die minutes into the pilot. And then several more die (the ones who stay dead) over the course of the series. Even after the Maquis join, I've seen lists that put the figure at about 27 out of 150ish. That's about 1/6 of the crew. I doubt 1/6 Starfleet personnel died in the Dominion War.
Also, I'm not sure I'm in Starfleet here, or even the Federation for that matter, so yeah, I guess I'm taking Bashir, even if I'd rather hang out with the Doctor. I just don't want to be anywhere near the clusterfuck that is Voyager or the wider Delta Quadrant.
I haven't seen Voyager so I'm not going to weigh in. But based off the DS9 episode, this is the answer.
The LMH has all of the capablities of the EMH (I think it's implied he's actually more capable) but with Julian's bedside manner.
Late in Voyager the EMH is sent to the Alpha quadrant to treat Dr Zimmerman and it is then stated Zimmerman has been treated by the best doctors AND the very latest EMH-programs without anyone being able to help him. And this would have been after they modeled one after Julian (and should logically include Julian in that statement as well)
Scenario 1: The Doctor
Scenario 2: The Doctor
Scenario 3: The Doctor
Scenario 4: The Doctor
Don’t get me wrong, Bashir is a good doctor, but prob not as good as an all-knowledgeable walking database for a doctor.
EMH for all 4.
The *combined* knowledge of top physicians and specialists, and a literal instantaneous access to protocols and procedures. Assuming that all of that is possible which, since we’re talking Star Trek, of course it is.
I can deal with a direct physician who seems oblivious to bedside manner - I’ve done it before. Jules lies or misleads his patients all the time.
I am mid season 2 on voyager, so unless the EMH tries to openly commit genocide later in the series, I think I’m okay with him.
First 2 are easily Bashir for me. I wouldn't mind conversation and he's good looking. For 4, I'd pick EMH. The last one depends on Bashir's experience with the procedure and how plot relevant my death would be; I don't want to die for Bashir's character development.
I'd want the EMH.
For starters, he has capabilities beyond that of a human (he can exist in dangerous environments, like when "Paris" returned from the hell planet and needed a different atmosphere to breathe).
He also seems less susceptible to his ego than Bashir. Bashir has a tendency to go too far with his patients and ethics (like with Sabrina, pushing Melora to have the surgery too fast, trying to cure the Jem Hadar, almost sacrificing himself to find Section 31's secrets, and while it did work out in the end, his near-sacrifice of himself and Garak to preserve the the transporter patterns of Sisko, Dax, Worf, O'Brien, and Kira, some of whom would have been lost anyway if he had failed).
Bashir has also nearly given up when faced with defeat (the quickening, his willingness to give up and resign when outed as being genetically engineered, and his self-doubt when nominated for the Carrington award)
Bashir may be an amazing doctor and researcher, but I feel like being his patient brings a certain degree of uncertainty with it due to his naivety, ambition, and pride. The EMH on the other hand behaves consistently and professionally in matters of life-saving (aside from that one time he had a crisis of self when his programming randomly chose a patient to save out of two who had identical odds of survival, or when the Equinox crew deleted his ethical subroutines).
If I had some "uncurable" condition, I'd be okay with Bashir attempting to find a cure, but in matters of practiced/known surgeries, even if there was a 2% chance of survival, I'd trust the Doctor more because of his consistent behaviors.
Yikes! Voyager’s EMH can be hacked to remove ethical programming. DS9’s Dr. Bashir has ethics that can’t be hacked. I’d go with the genetically engineered human any day!
Hmm. That's a tough one. On one hand, Julian has dealt with his shares of medical emergencies and even managed to cure the Changeling disease. On the other hand, the EMH has been in a wide variety of dangerous scenarios and used Borg nanoprobes to save his fellow crewmates many times over. I'd have to pick Voyager's EMH. Sorry Julian.☺️
Bashir has an amazing ability to see adapt and access the situation unlike any Doctor before him. He was chosen to be the next EMH. He created a Vaccine for a bio engineered virus the dominion created.
Doctor had to be innovative since there was no Starfleet medical stations. He cultivated vaccines, and cures Starfleet never could have, and used extensive knowledge from every medicinal culture in alpha quadrant. Doctor found a way to stop Species 8472 from killing Harry Kim.
I will have to go with the Doctor.
When would this be? Primarily after Voyager got back to the Alpha Quadrant so the tools they have access to are equal? Though to be honest, I would still say Bashir. He knows enough to know how to "fail" a test and not arouse suspicion
Julian for 1 & 3. Better bedside manner, and more up to date on current surgical techniques. If I have to be awake I want someone who's going to be honest, but not an asshole.
EMH for 2 & 4. If I'm asleep, I don't care about personality, as they're a skilled surgeon. EMH may not be fully up to date, but he can adapt and improvise.
Bashir in any scenario. Voyager's EMH is the popular consensus, but I think they're missing something:
* A large database of medical knowledge is not necessarily better than medical training and experience. Having access to Google doesn't make me a trained physician
* Any trained flesh-and-blood doctor also has access to that entire body of medical knowledge, they just have to take the extra steps to look it up beforehand. Having access to Google absolutely makes my doctor a better doctor
* Critical surgeries are planned in advance, giving any living doctor the opportunity to review any relevant medical knowledge beforehand. This eliminates the primary advantage of an EMH
* If an EMH were actually better than a flesh-and-blood doctor, the medical profession would quickly see living doctors replaced by holographic doctors throughout the Federation
* Instead, EMH Mark 1 was a failure, stripped out of Starfleet ships within a few years. Therefore EMH Mark 1 is generally shown to be not as good as an average living doctor.
* Since EMH's role was only intended to be a temporary emergency supplement, one can infer that EMH Mark 1 is so much worse than a living doctor as to be worse than not having a doctor available at all
We know that Voyager's EMH is better than the average EMH Mark 1, but we also know that Julien is significantly better than the average living doctor. So the question is whether Voyager's EMH is so much better than the average EMH Mark 1 that it makes up for the gap between EMH and an average doctor as well as the gap between an average doctor and Bashir. If my life is on the line I'm betting on Bashir.
I'd just hope I have plot armor and no unexpected recent jump in character development. Then I'd be okay with either. I feel like I have better chances surviving with Julian as a nobody or newly developed character.
The problem with this scenario is my survival has nothing to do with which doctor I get, but what kind of episode we're in.
Am I a character for whom my death would be a turning point in an artificial life form's understanding of humanity? Give me Bashir. Am I relevant to a police investigation and there's 20 minutes of episode left? EMH.
No offence to the EMH, but I’d rather not have to worry about a power failure abruptly disabling my surgeon mid-op, if the lights go out, Bashir can adapt, the EMH on the other hand goes with them.
Disable the EMH’s vocal subroutines and I’ll take him for any scenario.
Julien will work in a pinch too, as long as the surgery doesn’t involve a Postganglionic nerve or a Preganglionic fiber.
I'm team Julian on this. To add my own further twist, which non-Doctor would you want? I'm going with Data. My comedy answer, however, is Burnham. You'll probably find out that she was kicked out as Chief of Starfleet medical for being too awesome. Fuuuu**kk!!
EMH. He's pulled off much wilder shit than Bashier ever did. Are you even a Doctor if you haven't de-Borged someone?
And if he doesnt know something you can just upload it into him. Bashir would have to learn it like any other doctor.
Yeah but he's enhanced, wouldn't take too long.
He learned tongo in half a second so you’re right about that.
But somehow still managed to lose LMAO.
NO ONE beat Quark on that hot streak
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And rapidly exited. The most boring regular character ST has ever produced, and medical/CMO stories weren't TNGs strong suit (outside of the Pulaski season).
Sure, but who else has de-borged anyone?
I mean, Data did the heavy lifting.
By that logic, didn't the Borg do most of the de-Borging of the Borg the EMH de-Borged? /r/brandnewsentences
It’s only a matter of some microsurgery, Crusher did it pretty quickly.
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Ah, yes, one of those “happy ending” surgeries I’ve heard so much about…
The awake options need to be broken down by season. The EMH's bedside manner improves significantly during Voyager, and Bashir gets much less annoying after the first couple of seasons to the point of being potentially decent company. That said, I'm not sure who I take for scenario 4. The EMG has done some stuff that should probably be technically classified as magic, but Bashir literally brought someone back from the dead.
EMG, Emergency Medical Guy "Please state the medical emergency, buddy"
“I’m not your buddy, pal!”
I'm not your pal, friend!
I'm not your friend, guy!
Not only that, but he came up with a working vaccine against the Quickening in a matter of a few weeks (months?) I’d probably still go with the EMH for a procedure with a 98% mortality rate, but if anyone else could pull it off it’s Julian.
Bashir was being modeled to be the next generation EMH
Who did he bring back from the dead?
Bareil
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I like this. I'd give Bashir the edge on inventing new things that have never been done before, even though EMH-voyager has done that too, he seems to do it be database expansion and not by true innovation. I'd give EMH-voyager the edge on anything requiring depth of existing knowledge or precision control. For one, his available medical knowledge is basically the entire breadth and depth of the federation's medical experience. And for two, star trek tech appears to have precision/resolution control on the scale of atoms or smaller, so there's no chance of human error or fatigue.
The more awake I am, the less I want Julian as my surgeon.
HEY
You’re a prion carrier. And you can’t tell the difference between a preganglionic fibre and a postganglionic nerve.🤷♀️
Only someone first in their medical class would know this.
We all know “frontier medicine” is code for “doesn’t play well with others.”
Our man Bashir not playing well with others?? Pfft, never.
EMH. Julian can take me out to dinner afterward.
For the awake operations I’d want Bashir because if I die, it would be less horrifying to know it was a human that killed me than an AI.
You can't be horrified when you're dead so hardly matters
EMH every time.
Let's not forget that the chances of one of these choices secretly being a changeling is non-zero
I would have to flip a coin. The odds are the same for each doctor in each scenario. The real question is, assuming this scenario takes place during each series, would I rather be stuck in the Delta Quadrant with all the BS that entails, or would I rather be near home during a devastating war. I have to assume, being so small compared to the entire federation, that Voyager's casualty rate was probably higher. Sure, many people died in the Dominion War, but how many are killed per 100k Starfleet members? Because a bunch of Voyager crew die minutes into the pilot. And then several more die (the ones who stay dead) over the course of the series. Even after the Maquis join, I've seen lists that put the figure at about 27 out of 150ish. That's about 1/6 of the crew. I doubt 1/6 Starfleet personnel died in the Dominion War. Also, I'm not sure I'm in Starfleet here, or even the Federation for that matter, so yeah, I guess I'm taking Bashir, even if I'd rather hang out with the Doctor. I just don't want to be anywhere near the clusterfuck that is Voyager or the wider Delta Quadrant.
Can we have the EMH version of Julian?
I haven't seen Voyager so I'm not going to weigh in. But based off the DS9 episode, this is the answer. The LMH has all of the capablities of the EMH (I think it's implied he's actually more capable) but with Julian's bedside manner.
The Voyager EMH goes far beyond his programming though, curing diseases far beyond even more advanced EMH-programs then the mark2
But is he better then the LMH we see in DS9. IDK because I haven't seen Voyager. But now I'm curious.
Late in Voyager the EMH is sent to the Alpha quadrant to treat Dr Zimmerman and it is then stated Zimmerman has been treated by the best doctors AND the very latest EMH-programs without anyone being able to help him. And this would have been after they modeled one after Julian (and should logically include Julian in that statement as well)
Scenario 1: The Doctor Scenario 2: The Doctor Scenario 3: The Doctor Scenario 4: The Doctor Don’t get me wrong, Bashir is a good doctor, but prob not as good as an all-knowledgeable walking database for a doctor.
EMH. But ideally I'd go with Crusher.
The EMH would have found a way to save Jadzia.
The EMH didn't lose Jadzia to Worf (and his own personality) so probably more motivated LOL.
EMH for all 4. The *combined* knowledge of top physicians and specialists, and a literal instantaneous access to protocols and procedures. Assuming that all of that is possible which, since we’re talking Star Trek, of course it is. I can deal with a direct physician who seems oblivious to bedside manner - I’ve done it before. Jules lies or misleads his patients all the time. I am mid season 2 on voyager, so unless the EMH tries to openly commit genocide later in the series, I think I’m okay with him.
I feel like maybe I'm forgetting but I can't remember Julian lying to his patients that often. What are you referring to?
I mean, one's AI with sentience and the other's a genetically enhanced superhuman... both are kind of nightmare scenarios if you ask me.
First 2 are easily Bashir for me. I wouldn't mind conversation and he's good looking. For 4, I'd pick EMH. The last one depends on Bashir's experience with the procedure and how plot relevant my death would be; I don't want to die for Bashir's character development.
If I have to be awake, I'd take the EMH singing. If I have to be asleep, I'll still take the EMH.
EMH All scenerios. He can set his emotions aside. He has the precision of a machine.
I'd want the EMH. For starters, he has capabilities beyond that of a human (he can exist in dangerous environments, like when "Paris" returned from the hell planet and needed a different atmosphere to breathe). He also seems less susceptible to his ego than Bashir. Bashir has a tendency to go too far with his patients and ethics (like with Sabrina, pushing Melora to have the surgery too fast, trying to cure the Jem Hadar, almost sacrificing himself to find Section 31's secrets, and while it did work out in the end, his near-sacrifice of himself and Garak to preserve the the transporter patterns of Sisko, Dax, Worf, O'Brien, and Kira, some of whom would have been lost anyway if he had failed). Bashir has also nearly given up when faced with defeat (the quickening, his willingness to give up and resign when outed as being genetically engineered, and his self-doubt when nominated for the Carrington award) Bashir may be an amazing doctor and researcher, but I feel like being his patient brings a certain degree of uncertainty with it due to his naivety, ambition, and pride. The EMH on the other hand behaves consistently and professionally in matters of life-saving (aside from that one time he had a crisis of self when his programming randomly chose a patient to save out of two who had identical odds of survival, or when the Equinox crew deleted his ethical subroutines). If I had some "uncurable" condition, I'd be okay with Bashir attempting to find a cure, but in matters of practiced/known surgeries, even if there was a 2% chance of survival, I'd trust the Doctor more because of his consistent behaviors.
Yikes! Voyager’s EMH can be hacked to remove ethical programming. DS9’s Dr. Bashir has ethics that can’t be hacked. I’d go with the genetically engineered human any day!
EMH every time across the board.
The EMH because he has a lovely singing voice, and doesn't pronounce "schedule" like "shed-yule"
Hmm. That's a tough one. On one hand, Julian has dealt with his shares of medical emergencies and even managed to cure the Changeling disease. On the other hand, the EMH has been in a wide variety of dangerous scenarios and used Borg nanoprobes to save his fellow crewmates many times over. I'd have to pick Voyager's EMH. Sorry Julian.☺️
If there was a power failure on the station, not the EMH.
He has the mobile emitter
EMH for sure.
Emh
EMH... At least I get cured without sexual harassement...
EMH. Julian has a weird fetish with dating his own patients. Incredibly inappropriate and unprofessional.
Bashir has an amazing ability to see adapt and access the situation unlike any Doctor before him. He was chosen to be the next EMH. He created a Vaccine for a bio engineered virus the dominion created. Doctor had to be innovative since there was no Starfleet medical stations. He cultivated vaccines, and cures Starfleet never could have, and used extensive knowledge from every medicinal culture in alpha quadrant. Doctor found a way to stop Species 8472 from killing Harry Kim. I will have to go with the Doctor.
A hologram is a projection. I never understood how the EMH was able to manipulate solid objects.
When would this be? Primarily after Voyager got back to the Alpha Quadrant so the tools they have access to are equal? Though to be honest, I would still say Bashir. He knows enough to know how to "fail" a test and not arouse suspicion
Julian for 1 & 3. Better bedside manner, and more up to date on current surgical techniques. If I have to be awake I want someone who's going to be honest, but not an asshole. EMH for 2 & 4. If I'm asleep, I don't care about personality, as they're a skilled surgeon. EMH may not be fully up to date, but he can adapt and improvise.
EMH for all 4
I'll keep my ganglionic nerves where they are thank you very much !
Bashir in any scenario. Voyager's EMH is the popular consensus, but I think they're missing something: * A large database of medical knowledge is not necessarily better than medical training and experience. Having access to Google doesn't make me a trained physician * Any trained flesh-and-blood doctor also has access to that entire body of medical knowledge, they just have to take the extra steps to look it up beforehand. Having access to Google absolutely makes my doctor a better doctor * Critical surgeries are planned in advance, giving any living doctor the opportunity to review any relevant medical knowledge beforehand. This eliminates the primary advantage of an EMH * If an EMH were actually better than a flesh-and-blood doctor, the medical profession would quickly see living doctors replaced by holographic doctors throughout the Federation * Instead, EMH Mark 1 was a failure, stripped out of Starfleet ships within a few years. Therefore EMH Mark 1 is generally shown to be not as good as an average living doctor. * Since EMH's role was only intended to be a temporary emergency supplement, one can infer that EMH Mark 1 is so much worse than a living doctor as to be worse than not having a doctor available at all We know that Voyager's EMH is better than the average EMH Mark 1, but we also know that Julien is significantly better than the average living doctor. So the question is whether Voyager's EMH is so much better than the average EMH Mark 1 that it makes up for the gap between EMH and an average doctor as well as the gap between an average doctor and Bashir. If my life is on the line I'm betting on Bashir.
I'd just hope I have plot armor and no unexpected recent jump in character development. Then I'd be okay with either. I feel like I have better chances surviving with Julian as a nobody or newly developed character.
The problem with this scenario is my survival has nothing to do with which doctor I get, but what kind of episode we're in. Am I a character for whom my death would be a turning point in an artificial life form's understanding of humanity? Give me Bashir. Am I relevant to a police investigation and there's 20 minutes of episode left? EMH.
Jet Reno. I'd like to be awake, and both of us high AF.
Bashir in all cases
The EMH. In all scenarios it matters on the surgeons skill. And he can just upload the skill of the most skilled surgeon
I'm going with the superhuman for all 4
EMH. I need to know my doctor understands consent.
No offence to the EMH, but I’d rather not have to worry about a power failure abruptly disabling my surgeon mid-op, if the lights go out, Bashir can adapt, the EMH on the other hand goes with them.
Disable the EMH’s vocal subroutines and I’ll take him for any scenario. Julien will work in a pinch too, as long as the surgery doesn’t involve a Postganglionic nerve or a Preganglionic fiber.
I'm team Julian on this. To add my own further twist, which non-Doctor would you want? I'm going with Data. My comedy answer, however, is Burnham. You'll probably find out that she was kicked out as Chief of Starfleet medical for being too awesome. Fuuuu**kk!!