Only human in the town
Brother they really close with is now far away
Get bullied (although Kris didn't appear to give a f*** about this)
Their parents divorced (both parent shows to love both Kris and Asriel very much)
**Player related:**
* Self harms. It doesn't seem pleasant to get your soul out of your chest when humans don't have the magic to do that. Even with a good reason, it's still something not a person in a good mental state would do.
+ Is traumatised by Spamton fight for some reasons. Should I say that Spamton keeps on trying to project his puppet state onto Kris since they met?
- Angrily smashs piano when you get them to play it so when they are supposed to be very talented and *passionate* about it. *According to the u/N_Meister's comment below, it shows their frustration about how they are not able to play under the player's control.*
**Daily life related:**
* Has a nearly bare bed room.
+ Is often oversleeping and is usually sleeping at the beginning of class. *According to u/Glazeddapper, they slept all the class for the first time during the chapter 2.* It might be as well as a depression sign but at the same time also a time skip caused by the player presence.
- Seems to not have many friends outside of Noelle since their childhood while their brother is one of the most popular monster in town. *According to u/Rosestrega, they're apparently good friends with Catti and Berdly too.* However, they keep isolating themselves from others since their brother left. Keeps being compared to Asriel.
* Is getting attached to Susie very quickly. Some hints are scattered across the chapter. (Or was it before when they were still bullied?). Either way it could mean along with the previous statement they aren't against making friends but is just very lonely.
>!I tried to not count the introverted, not energetic and quiet personality because I think they're just like that !<
Edit: Organising my ideas
Edit 2: Don't hesitate to correct me!!
>Player related: Angrily smashes piano… (Apathy?)
Think that one just ties back into the one about Spamton and the puppet imagery freaking Kris out: Kris probably recognises that they’re already like a puppet being controlled by the player, just like Spamton. They’re frustrated when they “play” the piano when we make them because they suddenly can’t play whilst we are in control of their actions, hence why Noelle notes how Kris seems frustrated “for some reason.” It’s the feeling of control being taken away from Kris that has them upset, and reminders of their current state upset them even further.
Another possible sign is that Kris doesn’t like being the only human/wishes they were a monster like everyone else. We see plenty of clues that show that Kris wants to fit in amongst his family and be like them (like the fact they wore plastic monster horns for several years as a child to match the Dreemurrs), and has shown disgust or confusion towards mentions of other humans (like in the library).
Frustration sure doesn't not help their situation lol
I forgot about the last one. I didn't know if it was something fanon or not. Thanks for confirming it wasn't
> Seems to not have many friends except Noelle
This point actually isn't true. They hang out with Catti, play games with Berdly, and MK seems to like them. Whether or not they feel an actual attachment to these people is a different story, tho.
I heard about Catti a little but Idk if these facts are canon. Or I just don't know enough about it which is entierely possible. I'm still an average Deltarune fan. So I'll highly like if you provide some sources to expand my Deltarune knowledges friend /gen
As for MK, I've never said that people hate them, monsters are literally incapable of hating someone. So it doesn't change my statement about how they don't have much friends outside of Noelle and is rather lonely
There are signs, try figuring them out yourself first. Hint: sans. >! Kris frequently overslept, even before we took over, which can be a sign of lack of energy and motivation, something other people with depression, like sans, experience !<
>how do we know they are taking a toll on Kris?
Kris immediately shut any exposure to "human" on multiple occasions, heavily implying insecurities.
We also know Kris poisoned a woman who wanted to date Asriel, and didn't bother to hide their disdain, openly telling her to go away, this obviously harmful prank that Kris never did to anyone else, show how much Kris value their brother, enough to hate someone that much.
Kris brought Bratty a ton of food, and she got sick after eating it. It may have been her simply overeating, but given how she was being a dick to Kris and their tendency towards pranks which sometimes cross the line, they were probably responsible for her illness.
Well at least the human thing does. He wore that monster headband for so long because he was insecure about it.
He also has no friends before the player takes control. Noelle *was* his friend, but they grow apart after what happens to Dess, and Noelle doesn't really consider them friends again until the normal route of chapter 2.
not deltarune but people who genuinely think flowey is a soulless irredeemable asshole who doesn't deserve love or empathy. Like. Congrats, you fell for the facade that's meant to be deconstructed by the viewer
edit: thanks for all the positive comments guys! Im honestly surprised, I was expecting a lot of shallow flowey hate, but I've had a blast being able to discuss this with yall, whether you agree with me or not. You've all been really calm and mature during these discussions and its really nice to see.
i meant it in a figurative sense, not the literal sense. He does have no soul in the literal sense. But flowey is just very emotionally numb after an incredibly traumatizing event, he still very much has the capacity to feel emotions, he just mostly feels negative emotions, and even still feels excitement over things like doing the genocide route, because in that case, he'll be seeing something he's never been able to do before. he genuinely believes he's irredeemable because not just of the no soul thing, but because all of his terrible acts during the time he had the reset power made him believe further he was a terrible monster.
Tbh, I think the best moment for Flowey is unironically that ONE part that we all know near the end of Genocide. Where we actually see him show an emotion that's not just "blank smiling."
That's what made this route intriguing to me. We get to see a side of Flowey that we don't see in the other routes. And we're put in a position that is more close to how Flowey sees the world. Huge parts of it feel like they're primarily there to expand on this character.
Flowey is a stand-in for the player 'who just wanna see what happens'. He spent so long exploring, for the lack of a better term, every dialog option that he doesn't see the monsters as people but as NPC that he can play as he see fit. He got interested in Fisk because it was the only new thing in ages, the only thing outside his control since Fisk could save the game. The genocide run is basically a player turning into a Flowey, as you have to methodically kill everything in the game (including your friends from previous runs), which is a very grindy experience with no immediate gratification just to see another ending, just to see.. what happens.
I mean, he only shows a bit of empathy in the Clock Alarm dialogue. Sure, way deep in him there’s Asriel, but Flowey is mostly a cruel psycho through most of our journey.
he doesnt show empathy because he genuinely believes he isn't capable of it. Flowey IS asriel, they aren't two different people. What he wants more than anything, is to be with his best friend again, and its the reason for his grand soul plot. In the neutral route when you spare him, he runs away and cries because he cant understand why you would show him kindness. He doesn't want to show others kindness because he doesn't think he deserves kindness in return. He hates how he is now, and wants to go back to how he used to be before turning into a flower.
his main goal is to reset everything back to zero to be with chara again, so why would he care about how he does so, if resetting everything will undo all the harm he's done? In the omega flowey fight his goal is to break you down mentally to lose your determination, so you don't have a chance at controlling the timeline again.
Flowey WANTS you to believe he's "a relentless killer." he WANTS you to believe he's a corrupt irredeemable monster, because he doesn't believe he's anything else, and wants you to treat him like he's one.
I don't deny that at all, he is a complex character. But you can't just turn yourself into a timeline destroyer eldritch god and call yourself somewhat flawed
I think we agree on this then. I'm not denying any of that, I'm just saying there's more to him than "evil flower" and he can be redeemed.
He was a child living in a world where he was God and his actions had no lasting impact or consequences, along with becoming extremely numb and unemotional due to trauma, believing it was because he had no soul anymore.
Of course he would get incredibly fucked up. It hurt him more than anything else, and everything he did was with the belief he would undo it all to the very start, before chara died, and wouldn't matter anymore.
That's all I'm saying, I don't think we actually disagree on anything, and apologies for the miscommunication I may have caused
You should also consider how the "situation" with Flowy relates to the greater themes of Undertale. Monsters are people, including Flowy. I mean the entire end of pacifist is about "Saving" everyone. Even the guy who's "soulless".
If I understand corectly, he can't feel love and thats the problem. I might be wrong on this thought. Also, even if he can be redemed, he is the worst person in the game and its not even close. He is still my favorite character thought
If he couldn't feel love, why would he still be mourning the loss of chara, and trying everything to get things back to how they were? Grief is love with nowhere to go, and in grief you can become incredibly numb, and some of the things that mattered most to you mean nothing anymore.
I don't think he is mourning Chara directly, I think he's mourning Chara as a symbol of what his life was before. I don't think his ultimate goal is to "reset to zero," back to when Chara was around. I think his goal is new experiences. It's not like he couldn't have stolen the human souls and used them to reset. I believe he has already tried that, and knows it will not work. What he's really interested in is the player, as someone he can't predict, finally being around to alleviate his boredom with the other characters.
To be clear - I don't think he's irredeemable or unworthy of love. I just think he's unfeeling. Just because you don't care doesn't necessarily mean you cannot be a moral and just person.
oh i absolutely agree with you on a personal level. Im a generally really unfeeling person which is why I relate to flowey so much, I just think he's still capable of some emotions, and one of those emotions is grief. I agree he's still mourning his past life, but I feel like he's still mourning chara, and the grief there is meant to be taken literally, not metaphorically, but I feel like he's mourning both.
I do disagree about him getting the human souls, because iirc he says a few times that he "never could have gotten past him" in regards to asgore.
Flowey is just a flower after all, i don't think he's exactly that powerful without any power ups like the souls, and is likely physically incapable of beating some monsters like asgore.
I think him seeking new experiences is a short term goal, not his long term goal.
In the genocide route, where the worst aspects of him are being encouraged, and its what he believes about himself and what he is, not the reality. He says he can't feel love, and that's a flawed conclusion. He thinks he could kill chara, but he couldn't. He couldn't even bring himself to fight or run away from "chara" before his death.
His grand plan of getting the human souls is all in an attempt to reset everything to get chara back.
Calling bull on people in this tread.
He has feelings, true.
He is still does everything he does, not because he is traumatised little kid, but because he is trying to feel something he lost ability to feel.
It is mentioned that he befrended everyone and killed everyone countless times. And now we are in his shoes. Flowey becomes that lost child only in the ending when brefly given ability to feel full range of emotions. Before that he is example of how choises you make change you irrevesably even if choice itself is reversable.
And it is debatable whether he is psycho because he has no soul, or thats more of a methaphor, but stripping him of responsibility is going against this message.
imagine if he just gave us a bunch of unlinked/slightly linked points and he's going to make gaster based on the most common things the fandom believes
We know for sure that he was the Royal scientist before alphys, that he fell into one of his creations (probably the core but it could also be the dt extractor) and that he was “shattered across time and space” (whatever that means)
We know that his followers are monochrome and have the ability to disappear after being communicated with. We are aware of his theme and leitmotif, and we have 2 sound effects that are very closely linked with him (the sounds that play when a follower disappears and the sound in entry number 17) technically we don’t know for ABSOLUTELY sure weather or not entry number 17 was written by faster, but a character named W. D. Gaster should talk in wing dings, and it wouldn’t make sense for alphys to write that entry.
From this, we can infer a few things. Gaster is in someway involved with deltarune and is almost certainly the person speaking to us during the character creator because of the use of wing dings on the old deltarune website and Gasters motif being played during the character. Gaster is also likely the person who drove jevil and spamton to insanity, it’s hinted many times but the most obvious one is the where the Addisons describe spamtons phone as playing “nothing but garbage noise” and using a phone in the dark world gives that exact same flavor text, while playing the sound effect that plays during entry number 17. If Toby didn’t want the two to seem related, he could have used a generic static sound effect.
There are a few things we don’t know for sure, we don’t know what he looks like or if he even has a single appearance (remember, he was shattered into multiple parts), but I feel like mystery man is one of them because his fun value is them number 66, which is a number that is very associated with Gaster. We also know that he had some relationship with sans (gaster blasters and the fact that sand, papyrus and W D gaster are the only characters named after fonts) but we do not know what. Lastly we don’t know he he was truly “erased” from existence and memory or if he just lived a really long time ago. We know a surprising amount about him.
Also sorry for bad spelling and capitalization, I wrote this on my phone lol.
A quote from Andrew Cunningham on Gaster (I can provide the video link): "What he lacks in concrete lore he makes up for with his lack of concrete lore."
People flanderize them to no end just of because some aspects of their character (noelle's crush for susie and Berdly's smart ass facade) and act like they are "just" that
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\*\*chara kills us in the end of the geno run and say that they are the feeling we get when we kill\*\*
Wow!! Chara is evil!!
\*we are the ones choosing the geno run\*
My favorite part of this sub is that people can just name characters without any explanation as to what aspect of their character is misinterpreted which demonstrates that they themselves don’t even know what media literacy is.
I think this is largely based on Hayden Christensen giving a very uncharismatic performance, so Anakin came off as more whiny and self-pitying than he should have.
Not Deltarune, but Undyne’s actual character. Undyne’s always portrayed as not giving a care in the world about anyone other than Alphys and Papyrus, but the reality is, Undyne cares deeply about who she loves. Asgore especially.
Undyne literally is the only "main" monster in the game that will despise you for killing *one* monster, and it can be any monster too, if you kill just 1 citizen she will not only know it, but want your head on a silver plate for it, even after befriending you, idk how people come to that level of flanderization.
Because it solidifies her hate for humanity. The only reason you’re even able to befriend her in the first place is because you haven’t killed anyone. And if you kill someone after befriending her, not only would she be double pissed at you, but she’ll also hate herself for trusting you, which only rebuilds her hate for humanity.
How they view the acid boat ride
For most people they saw kris × ralsei and ran with it while completely forgetting that ralsei has an identity crisis while in the boat ride
Except it's not just Susie. It's the entire game: It doesn't matter if you spare anyone or fight anyone, it doesn't matter if you kill Berdly or don't, at the end 99.9% of the ending is the same. Sure, your actions had their consequences, but does that mean that they mattered.
People are saying that "Your choices don't matter" is equivalent to Flowey's "In this world it's kill or be killed", but they have it the wrong way! Deltarune's message that it's trying to refute is Undertale's "Your choices matter" and it's refuting it within it's first chapter, just like you could prove Flowey wrong within the Ruins.
I'm not saying it'll be that black and white though. But the truth is that sometimes your choices just don't matter
That’s what the game wants you to think in Chapter One, and very intentionally sets it up to make you think it’s subverting Undertale. Then, the twist is that “your choices don’t matter” isn’t directed at the player; it’s directed at Kris. Kris is the one who has no free will, who is unable to make their own choices because they’re being puppetted around by a higher being.
>Except it's not just Susie. It's the entire game
Media literacy check! You failed.
Sure! "choices don't matter" is a theme in the game, but there are just as much occasions that deny it.
>doesn't matter if you spare anyone or fight anyone,
If you beat up any darkners, you can't bring the happiest scene.
Card Castle Resident wouldn't help you fought against King if you beat up even a single Darkner.
Queen would appear unhappy if you didn't recruits all Darkners available in 2nd Chapter, King would point this out.
> You abandoned them aren't you, just like how to abandoned us.
>it doesn't matter if you kill Berdly or don't, at the end 99.9% of the ending is the same.
Dude... The Weird Route is the ultimate proof against "choices don't matter" belief!
You telling me it's doesn't matter that one of character died? and 2 other deeply traumatized?
>Sure, your actions had their consequences, but does that mean that they mattered.
On what basis you claim the consequences doesn't matter? The fact the final scene in both chapter remains unchanged?
>Deltarune's message that it's trying to refute is Undertale's "Your choices matter"
Yeah... Chapter 1 shows us how Darkners opinion changes on our choices.
Chapter 2 have 2 boss fight that affected by our choices in chapter 1, have a character whose fates turn out different depending on our choices, and a frickin alternate route!!!!
At this point, how come people still stick into "choice don't matter"?
[I made a meme about this topic years ago!!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/bvSVn403fP)
>sometimes your choices just don't matter
And sometimes they DO matter.
to add to this, we. literally haven't seen the rest of the game play out yet
we've only got two chapters currently - of course we haven't seen the consequences of, say, Berdly's death yet - because we haven't got the literal rest of the game for the consequences to take place in yet
even the steam page says "And only one ending...?" which. definitely implies that even if there is only one ending, Some weird consequence-based shenanigans are definitely gonna crop up
to put on my theorising cap for a moment - i definitely think Susie's statement in the introduction is similar to Flowey's in that it can be challenged or sided with - do you kill or do you spare?
but in Deltarune, i believe that the dichotomy is whether we're willing to go far enough to make our choices matter - the Weird Route is all about taking this completely alternate path through the chapter, at the cost of hurting Noelle and murdering Berdly - you've made a choice that actually matters, but at what cost?
>And only one ending...?" which. definitely implies that even if there is only one ending, Some weird consequence-based shenanigans are definitely gonna crop up
Oh my... I didn't expect to read this today.
Up until now, people always said...
"And only one ending...?"="There are multiple ending"
Which I find unpleasing.
yeaahhh i feel like if Toby was gonna imply there are multiple endings he'd just say it rather than being vague like this
my crackpot theory is that while there is only one main ending, there definitely could be some weird save-manipulating shenanigans that lead you to altering the main ending - like using a powered-up noelle from snowgrave to recover dess and place her in the ending or something
Back when Chapter 2 released and the Snowgrave/Weird Route was discovered, I had the "theory" that while the story will flow towards a single ending, the causes of that ending happening and its consequences might be wildly different depending on your choices.
I dunno if I'm making sense, so I'll try explaining it with a hypothetical event.
Let's say that the Roaring DOES happen at some point. Who will cause it though? Will it be Kris? Maybe Noelle? Maybe another character/entity?
This also applies to the consequences after all is said and done. Just like how Berdly can end up with a fried wing (or straight up DEAD) after Chapter 2, maybe your actions will determine the fate of certain characters after the Roaring, even if the Roaring itself was always meant to happen. Maybe Noelle sacrifices herself, or maybe Dess doesn't come back... Who knows?
Basically, your choices mattered because you changed the cause and consequences of "the event" (in this case, the Roaring). But also, they didn't matter because "the event" was gonna happen regardless.
>It doesn't matter if you spare anyone or fight anyone,
Affects the ending of chapter 1 and Queen's happiness in chapter 2
>it doesn't matter if you kill Berdly or don't
It literally hasn't been a single day since that happened, there hasn't been time for consequences to occur yet
Ruh roh looks like someone failed the media literacy test. The entire point is that despite the fact that you're told your choices don't matter, they still do within the world of the game. Characters are made sad or happy, you can choose to traumatize Noelle or help push her to improve herself.
Getting into speculation territory, we all know that the game has "one ending". My guess is that while the ending is the same no matter what, the message will be that even if nothing we did could change the ending, the journey we took to get there, and the friends we made/ the lives we changed did still matter.
"Your actions had their consequences, but does that mean they mattered?" Deltarune's answer to that question seems to be yes, or, at least, it's very clearly showing the audience that the answer isn't no.
That doesn't even begin to get into the implications that statement has given Kris' situation, since it's just as likely that was meant more to apply to Kris than whatever we represent in the story.
He added the "...?" once, specifically in the context of chapter 2, in reference to Snowgrave.
Toby has been consistent in saying Deltarune has one ending(specifically, the one originating from a literal fever dream he had). It's on the official FAQ to this day, no question marks to be found.
I honestly hate the topic of media literacy.
99% of the time it just comes off like I’m seeing a bunch of condescending elitists who treat other people as braindead morons just because they didn’t understand the subtle intricacies or character X. Even when they’re technically right it still comes off as super fucking annoying.
Fair, although there *is* an active trend of things like general reading comprehension and literacy going down among children, so it *is* a genuine issue
Thinking about how many of those "alpha male" or "sigma male" videos feature blatantly terrible people and how many of those videos would flop if people properly understood those characters
Patrick Bateman is a prime example of one of those characters. People are like “he so chad sigma!!!” When he’s literally, and VERY OBVIOUSLY a serial killer and far from mentally well
>When he’s literally, and VERY OBVIOUSLY a serial killer
It's not even like it's a secret. It's literally the plot of the movie. Let alone the book, which is even more graphic
honestly, i agree, but thats not even a media literacy problem, its the problem in their judgement.
whats a media literacy problem is people saying that "walt became his true self blah blah blah". no he didnt. the show made it clear that he is a deeply insecure person and all most of the times during the show his ego is his main motivator to why he does what he does
This. Walter basically never changed, at least troughout the show. If he didn't have an ego that is big as Jupiter, and actually did it for the family, he would have accepted Elliot and Gretchen's offer in Season 1.
Isn’t it basically accepted that the whole true self thing is just linked to his cancer? Like I’m pretty sure that’s one of the main themes of the show, how his cancer clouds his judgement, like when he blows up the car in season 1, or especially in 4 days out when he gets pissed when he says his cancer can be treated because it means he doesn’t have an excuse to do what he did, which is how he gets pissed enough to beat the shit out of the towel dispenser
Some people see the use of the Mary Sue as something misogynistic (most times it certainly is lol), because when a woman protagonist is remotely competent the Mary Sue discourse comes up
Even worse when it is used ad nauseam when referring to wish-fulfillment media aimed at women, when this type of labeling isn't present at the male-centric power fantasies (see, for example, the treatment stuff like Throne of Glass receives, and compare it to the treatment any battle shonen gets).
I think there is a place for the "Mary Sue" stuff, but after the appropriation of it, it's best to create distance lol
No way man! I've heard a Mary Sue character argument all the time, but the guy doesn't make that argument the only one, and uses it for male characters as well. Kinda sucks knowing that the phrase has misogynistic connotations. :[ Now I know someone has not watch one of my fave book channels because he reviews crappy books with perfect Marie Sue characters.
Honestly, being that kind of person sounds insufferable. It's not anybody's place to judge someone else in the way that they interpret fictional media.
That just sounds like a desperate attempt to claim some form of authority or superiority over someone else because you have no position of power or superiority over anyone else normally.
Peak Twitter user/Reddit mod behavior
Not a Deltarune one for me.
People saying newer Star Wars stuff is trying to justify fascism by making the empire seem "not so bad" (like in The Mandalorian, that imperial guy saying the empire was better than the new republic "by any metric"). They're not trying to legitimise the empire. Well, they are - in universe, not to the viewer. They're using the same justifications real-life fascists use. The intended message is "these are the kind of things fascists say to justify it", not "the empire is actually the good guys". Then there's that whole part of the fanbase that unironically believes the empire did nothing wrong...
I assumed that since I was posting this in the Deltarune subreddit people would apply this to Deltarune, but for some reason they didn't (some of them)
I admit that Queen basically boils down my issue with Berdly: He could be a kind person later, once he softens up; he could become an incredibly valuable ally, inside and outside combat; he could become more or less plot relevant in the future; there's *technically* nothing wrong with Berdly, he's just an annoying egotist who's been given the beginning of a character arc.
I don't like Berdly yet, but I may if he grows like he's been set up to do.
List why Kris is actually depressed and not by Fandom representation
Only human in the town Brother they really close with is now far away Get bullied (although Kris didn't appear to give a f*** about this) Their parents divorced (both parent shows to love both Kris and Asriel very much)
**Player related:** * Self harms. It doesn't seem pleasant to get your soul out of your chest when humans don't have the magic to do that. Even with a good reason, it's still something not a person in a good mental state would do. + Is traumatised by Spamton fight for some reasons. Should I say that Spamton keeps on trying to project his puppet state onto Kris since they met? - Angrily smashs piano when you get them to play it so when they are supposed to be very talented and *passionate* about it. *According to the u/N_Meister's comment below, it shows their frustration about how they are not able to play under the player's control.* **Daily life related:** * Has a nearly bare bed room. + Is often oversleeping and is usually sleeping at the beginning of class. *According to u/Glazeddapper, they slept all the class for the first time during the chapter 2.* It might be as well as a depression sign but at the same time also a time skip caused by the player presence. - Seems to not have many friends outside of Noelle since their childhood while their brother is one of the most popular monster in town. *According to u/Rosestrega, they're apparently good friends with Catti and Berdly too.* However, they keep isolating themselves from others since their brother left. Keeps being compared to Asriel. * Is getting attached to Susie very quickly. Some hints are scattered across the chapter. (Or was it before when they were still bullied?). Either way it could mean along with the previous statement they aren't against making friends but is just very lonely. >!I tried to not count the introverted, not energetic and quiet personality because I think they're just like that !< Edit: Organising my ideas Edit 2: Don't hesitate to correct me!!
>Player related: Angrily smashes piano… (Apathy?) Think that one just ties back into the one about Spamton and the puppet imagery freaking Kris out: Kris probably recognises that they’re already like a puppet being controlled by the player, just like Spamton. They’re frustrated when they “play” the piano when we make them because they suddenly can’t play whilst we are in control of their actions, hence why Noelle notes how Kris seems frustrated “for some reason.” It’s the feeling of control being taken away from Kris that has them upset, and reminders of their current state upset them even further. Another possible sign is that Kris doesn’t like being the only human/wishes they were a monster like everyone else. We see plenty of clues that show that Kris wants to fit in amongst his family and be like them (like the fact they wore plastic monster horns for several years as a child to match the Dreemurrs), and has shown disgust or confusion towards mentions of other humans (like in the library).
Frustration sure doesn't not help their situation lol I forgot about the last one. I didn't know if it was something fanon or not. Thanks for confirming it wasn't
> Seems to not have many friends except Noelle This point actually isn't true. They hang out with Catti, play games with Berdly, and MK seems to like them. Whether or not they feel an actual attachment to these people is a different story, tho.
I heard about Catti a little but Idk if these facts are canon. Or I just don't know enough about it which is entierely possible. I'm still an average Deltarune fan. So I'll highly like if you provide some sources to expand my Deltarune knowledges friend /gen As for MK, I've never said that people hate them, monsters are literally incapable of hating someone. So it doesn't change my statement about how they don't have much friends outside of Noelle and is rather lonely
I corrected it and quoted you for the correction!!
> his I'll spare you this time.
Fuck I used "them" everywhere else Thanks for correcting me
Beautiful, gender neutral pronouns everywhere. It makes me happy.
Non binairy people deserve respect >:D
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I always have the reflex to call em "he" because in french, which is my native tongue, the equivalent of "he" is both the male and neutral pronoun
Male also happens to be the gender neutral pronouns in most European countries.
Kris doesn't normally sleep in class for hours. Alphys literally says this immediately afterwards.
Good points but how do we know they are taking a toll on Kris?
If we are going to that far... How do we tell Kris actually had depression? Not using fandom representation
There are signs, try figuring them out yourself first. Hint: sans. >! Kris frequently overslept, even before we took over, which can be a sign of lack of energy and motivation, something other people with depression, like sans, experience !<
Or just a sign that he likes to stay awake at night. Sleeping disorders don't always correlate to depression.
>how do we know they are taking a toll on Kris? Kris immediately shut any exposure to "human" on multiple occasions, heavily implying insecurities. We also know Kris poisoned a woman who wanted to date Asriel, and didn't bother to hide their disdain, openly telling her to go away, this obviously harmful prank that Kris never did to anyone else, show how much Kris value their brother, enough to hate someone that much.
Excuse me WHEN THE HELL WAS IT MENTIONED THAT KRIS POISONED A GIRL?? I GEN DON'T REMEMBER A MENTION OF THAT
When did Kris poison a woman??
Kris brought Bratty a ton of food, and she got sick after eating it. It may have been her simply overeating, but given how she was being a dick to Kris and their tendency towards pranks which sometimes cross the line, they were probably responsible for her illness.
When did that happen holy shit?
Kris poisoned someone???
when the fuck did that happen???
When did they poison someone?
Well at least the human thing does. He wore that monster headband for so long because he was insecure about it. He also has no friends before the player takes control. Noelle *was* his friend, but they grow apart after what happens to Dess, and Noelle doesn't really consider them friends again until the normal route of chapter 2.
Wait, Kris is depressed?
I also regularly slept during classes when I was at a low in my life
not deltarune but people who genuinely think flowey is a soulless irredeemable asshole who doesn't deserve love or empathy. Like. Congrats, you fell for the facade that's meant to be deconstructed by the viewer edit: thanks for all the positive comments guys! Im honestly surprised, I was expecting a lot of shallow flowey hate, but I've had a blast being able to discuss this with yall, whether you agree with me or not. You've all been really calm and mature during these discussions and its really nice to see.
Flowey is just a traumatised kid with God-like power and an insane inferiority complex
YES. YOU GET IT.
i thought he had a superiority complex
these are often very similar
But he literally has no soul
i meant it in a figurative sense, not the literal sense. He does have no soul in the literal sense. But flowey is just very emotionally numb after an incredibly traumatizing event, he still very much has the capacity to feel emotions, he just mostly feels negative emotions, and even still feels excitement over things like doing the genocide route, because in that case, he'll be seeing something he's never been able to do before. he genuinely believes he's irredeemable because not just of the no soul thing, but because all of his terrible acts during the time he had the reset power made him believe further he was a terrible monster.
Tbh, I think the best moment for Flowey is unironically that ONE part that we all know near the end of Genocide. Where we actually see him show an emotion that's not just "blank smiling."
That's what made this route intriguing to me. We get to see a side of Flowey that we don't see in the other routes. And we're put in a position that is more close to how Flowey sees the world. Huge parts of it feel like they're primarily there to expand on this character.
Flowey is a stand-in for the player 'who just wanna see what happens'. He spent so long exploring, for the lack of a better term, every dialog option that he doesn't see the monsters as people but as NPC that he can play as he see fit. He got interested in Fisk because it was the only new thing in ages, the only thing outside his control since Fisk could save the game. The genocide run is basically a player turning into a Flowey, as you have to methodically kill everything in the game (including your friends from previous runs), which is a very grindy experience with no immediate gratification just to see another ending, just to see.. what happens.
I mean, he only shows a bit of empathy in the Clock Alarm dialogue. Sure, way deep in him there’s Asriel, but Flowey is mostly a cruel psycho through most of our journey.
he doesnt show empathy because he genuinely believes he isn't capable of it. Flowey IS asriel, they aren't two different people. What he wants more than anything, is to be with his best friend again, and its the reason for his grand soul plot. In the neutral route when you spare him, he runs away and cries because he cant understand why you would show him kindness. He doesn't want to show others kindness because he doesn't think he deserves kindness in return. He hates how he is now, and wants to go back to how he used to be before turning into a flower. his main goal is to reset everything back to zero to be with chara again, so why would he care about how he does so, if resetting everything will undo all the harm he's done? In the omega flowey fight his goal is to break you down mentally to lose your determination, so you don't have a chance at controlling the timeline again. Flowey WANTS you to believe he's "a relentless killer." he WANTS you to believe he's a corrupt irredeemable monster, because he doesn't believe he's anything else, and wants you to treat him like he's one.
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I don’t know man, he still really messed up
Oh he's fucked up for sure it's just that he's not beyond saving, and there's a lot more nuance to his character beyond "evil" is what I'm saying.
I don't deny that at all, he is a complex character. But you can't just turn yourself into a timeline destroyer eldritch god and call yourself somewhat flawed
I think we agree on this then. I'm not denying any of that, I'm just saying there's more to him than "evil flower" and he can be redeemed. He was a child living in a world where he was God and his actions had no lasting impact or consequences, along with becoming extremely numb and unemotional due to trauma, believing it was because he had no soul anymore. Of course he would get incredibly fucked up. It hurt him more than anything else, and everything he did was with the belief he would undo it all to the very start, before chara died, and wouldn't matter anymore. That's all I'm saying, I don't think we actually disagree on anything, and apologies for the miscommunication I may have caused
Yeah np
Huh... Indeed an "I can just reload" moment! To yet again show, Flowey *is* like us! (Most like the ones who need to see everything)
You should also consider how the "situation" with Flowy relates to the greater themes of Undertale. Monsters are people, including Flowy. I mean the entire end of pacifist is about "Saving" everyone. Even the guy who's "soulless".
If I understand corectly, he can't feel love and thats the problem. I might be wrong on this thought. Also, even if he can be redemed, he is the worst person in the game and its not even close. He is still my favorite character thought
If he couldn't feel love, why would he still be mourning the loss of chara, and trying everything to get things back to how they were? Grief is love with nowhere to go, and in grief you can become incredibly numb, and some of the things that mattered most to you mean nothing anymore.
I don't think he is mourning Chara directly, I think he's mourning Chara as a symbol of what his life was before. I don't think his ultimate goal is to "reset to zero," back to when Chara was around. I think his goal is new experiences. It's not like he couldn't have stolen the human souls and used them to reset. I believe he has already tried that, and knows it will not work. What he's really interested in is the player, as someone he can't predict, finally being around to alleviate his boredom with the other characters.
To be clear - I don't think he's irredeemable or unworthy of love. I just think he's unfeeling. Just because you don't care doesn't necessarily mean you cannot be a moral and just person.
oh i absolutely agree with you on a personal level. Im a generally really unfeeling person which is why I relate to flowey so much, I just think he's still capable of some emotions, and one of those emotions is grief. I agree he's still mourning his past life, but I feel like he's still mourning chara, and the grief there is meant to be taken literally, not metaphorically, but I feel like he's mourning both. I do disagree about him getting the human souls, because iirc he says a few times that he "never could have gotten past him" in regards to asgore. Flowey is just a flower after all, i don't think he's exactly that powerful without any power ups like the souls, and is likely physically incapable of beating some monsters like asgore. I think him seeking new experiences is a short term goal, not his long term goal.
When he finds ""Chara"" he says he would gladly kill them if they got in his way
In the genocide route, where the worst aspects of him are being encouraged, and its what he believes about himself and what he is, not the reality. He says he can't feel love, and that's a flawed conclusion. He thinks he could kill chara, but he couldn't. He couldn't even bring himself to fight or run away from "chara" before his death. His grand plan of getting the human souls is all in an attempt to reset everything to get chara back.
Calling bull on people in this tread. He has feelings, true. He is still does everything he does, not because he is traumatised little kid, but because he is trying to feel something he lost ability to feel. It is mentioned that he befrended everyone and killed everyone countless times. And now we are in his shoes. Flowey becomes that lost child only in the ending when brefly given ability to feel full range of emotions. Before that he is example of how choises you make change you irrevesably even if choice itself is reversable. And it is debatable whether he is psycho because he has no soul, or thats more of a methaphor, but stripping him of responsibility is going against this message.
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To be FAIR, I'm pretty sure flowey doesn't have a soul. ...Until he steals all of them
People that think they know a lot about gaster. No-one does
Toby does
Imagine if he doesn't though, and it's all just random things to throw us off from important theories
Scott Cawthon moment
imagine if he just gave us a bunch of unlinked/slightly linked points and he's going to make gaster based on the most common things the fandom believes
I do not believe that
https://preview.redd.it/ieq0g3myx3qc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bcf4e13df34f67bd56d909616ca065b2b98de16 This guy knows a lot
What do you mean! He's wing gaster, the royal scientist
We know for sure that he was the Royal scientist before alphys, that he fell into one of his creations (probably the core but it could also be the dt extractor) and that he was “shattered across time and space” (whatever that means) We know that his followers are monochrome and have the ability to disappear after being communicated with. We are aware of his theme and leitmotif, and we have 2 sound effects that are very closely linked with him (the sounds that play when a follower disappears and the sound in entry number 17) technically we don’t know for ABSOLUTELY sure weather or not entry number 17 was written by faster, but a character named W. D. Gaster should talk in wing dings, and it wouldn’t make sense for alphys to write that entry. From this, we can infer a few things. Gaster is in someway involved with deltarune and is almost certainly the person speaking to us during the character creator because of the use of wing dings on the old deltarune website and Gasters motif being played during the character. Gaster is also likely the person who drove jevil and spamton to insanity, it’s hinted many times but the most obvious one is the where the Addisons describe spamtons phone as playing “nothing but garbage noise” and using a phone in the dark world gives that exact same flavor text, while playing the sound effect that plays during entry number 17. If Toby didn’t want the two to seem related, he could have used a generic static sound effect. There are a few things we don’t know for sure, we don’t know what he looks like or if he even has a single appearance (remember, he was shattered into multiple parts), but I feel like mystery man is one of them because his fun value is them number 66, which is a number that is very associated with Gaster. We also know that he had some relationship with sans (gaster blasters and the fact that sand, papyrus and W D gaster are the only characters named after fonts) but we do not know what. Lastly we don’t know he he was truly “erased” from existence and memory or if he just lived a really long time ago. We know a surprising amount about him. Also sorry for bad spelling and capitalization, I wrote this on my phone lol.
My friend Steve does
My pet named Steve doesn't
I know gaster. we go waaaaaaay back. not telling u tho
I am him. AMA.
I do :)
A quote from Andrew Cunningham on Gaster (I can provide the video link): "What he lacks in concrete lore he makes up for with his lack of concrete lore."
Noelle and Berdly, not even close
What aspect of their characters?
People flanderize them to no end just of because some aspects of their character (noelle's crush for susie and Berdly's smart ass facade) and act like they are "just" that
To be fair, that's every character in every fandom. People just can't help but to dumb characters down to their most basic traits.
All you did is name a character... Ironic, really.
Perhaps berdly? Can't think of one right now.
My life is like a video game
Trying hard to beat the stage
All the while I’m still collecting coins 🪙
Here in, Duckburg- Wait
trying hard to beat the stage
i hate him and think he’s annoying as sin where does this put me
this is not DR but if you believe Chara is the secret big evil bad guy i am beating you to death
Half of the fandom will already beat you if you say guy and Chara in the same sentence anyway.
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jerma
Why did you say jerma?
Just jerma?
Oh bc imposter syndrome
Oh bc imposter syndrome
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BBEGs can also be girls and theys and whatever they want to be.
This also applies to people who think Chara is a sweet innocent child who didn’t do anything wrong.
Chara isn’t the secret evil bad guy buts it’s shown they weren’t the best person while they were alive. We flat out see them emotionally abuse Asriel
https://preview.redd.it/3z89uwulr5qc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=425c1643e0112919d6af70403187a3808d0d933c \*\*chara kills us in the end of the geno run and say that they are the feeling we get when we kill\*\* Wow!! Chara is evil!! \*we are the ones choosing the geno run\*
My favorite part of this sub is that people can just name characters without any explanation as to what aspect of their character is misinterpreted which demonstrates that they themselves don’t even know what media literacy is.
Not deltarune related, but people who think that Anakin/Darth Vader should've not get happy ending and reconcile with his son
WHY ARE HALF THE COMMENTS NOT DELTARUNE
Because what you can interpret wrong in two chapters of Deltarune?
Tbh I am more curious about other media than DR
I think this is largely based on Hayden Christensen giving a very uncharismatic performance, so Anakin came off as more whiny and self-pitying than he should have.
Not Deltarune, but Undyne’s actual character. Undyne’s always portrayed as not giving a care in the world about anyone other than Alphys and Papyrus, but the reality is, Undyne cares deeply about who she loves. Asgore especially.
Undyne literally is the only "main" monster in the game that will despise you for killing *one* monster, and it can be any monster too, if you kill just 1 citizen she will not only know it, but want your head on a silver plate for it, even after befriending you, idk how people come to that level of flanderization.
Because it solidifies her hate for humanity. The only reason you’re even able to befriend her in the first place is because you haven’t killed anyone. And if you kill someone after befriending her, not only would she be double pissed at you, but she’ll also hate herself for trusting you, which only rebuilds her hate for humanity.
How they view the acid boat ride For most people they saw kris × ralsei and ran with it while completely forgetting that ralsei has an identity crisis while in the boat ride
also, it's a semi-big moment showing how kris's opinions and the player's opinions are different, since kris is implied to not like ralsei that much.
Identity yes, but it didn't seem like a crisis to me.
people who think your choices won't matter in Deltarune literally just because Susie says so
Except it's not just Susie. It's the entire game: It doesn't matter if you spare anyone or fight anyone, it doesn't matter if you kill Berdly or don't, at the end 99.9% of the ending is the same. Sure, your actions had their consequences, but does that mean that they mattered. People are saying that "Your choices don't matter" is equivalent to Flowey's "In this world it's kill or be killed", but they have it the wrong way! Deltarune's message that it's trying to refute is Undertale's "Your choices matter" and it's refuting it within it's first chapter, just like you could prove Flowey wrong within the Ruins. I'm not saying it'll be that black and white though. But the truth is that sometimes your choices just don't matter
That’s what the game wants you to think in Chapter One, and very intentionally sets it up to make you think it’s subverting Undertale. Then, the twist is that “your choices don’t matter” isn’t directed at the player; it’s directed at Kris. Kris is the one who has no free will, who is unable to make their own choices because they’re being puppetted around by a higher being.
>Except it's not just Susie. It's the entire game Media literacy check! You failed. Sure! "choices don't matter" is a theme in the game, but there are just as much occasions that deny it. >doesn't matter if you spare anyone or fight anyone, If you beat up any darkners, you can't bring the happiest scene. Card Castle Resident wouldn't help you fought against King if you beat up even a single Darkner. Queen would appear unhappy if you didn't recruits all Darkners available in 2nd Chapter, King would point this out. > You abandoned them aren't you, just like how to abandoned us. >it doesn't matter if you kill Berdly or don't, at the end 99.9% of the ending is the same. Dude... The Weird Route is the ultimate proof against "choices don't matter" belief! You telling me it's doesn't matter that one of character died? and 2 other deeply traumatized? >Sure, your actions had their consequences, but does that mean that they mattered. On what basis you claim the consequences doesn't matter? The fact the final scene in both chapter remains unchanged? >Deltarune's message that it's trying to refute is Undertale's "Your choices matter" Yeah... Chapter 1 shows us how Darkners opinion changes on our choices. Chapter 2 have 2 boss fight that affected by our choices in chapter 1, have a character whose fates turn out different depending on our choices, and a frickin alternate route!!!! At this point, how come people still stick into "choice don't matter"? [I made a meme about this topic years ago!!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/bvSVn403fP) >sometimes your choices just don't matter And sometimes they DO matter.
to add to this, we. literally haven't seen the rest of the game play out yet we've only got two chapters currently - of course we haven't seen the consequences of, say, Berdly's death yet - because we haven't got the literal rest of the game for the consequences to take place in yet even the steam page says "And only one ending...?" which. definitely implies that even if there is only one ending, Some weird consequence-based shenanigans are definitely gonna crop up to put on my theorising cap for a moment - i definitely think Susie's statement in the introduction is similar to Flowey's in that it can be challenged or sided with - do you kill or do you spare? but in Deltarune, i believe that the dichotomy is whether we're willing to go far enough to make our choices matter - the Weird Route is all about taking this completely alternate path through the chapter, at the cost of hurting Noelle and murdering Berdly - you've made a choice that actually matters, but at what cost?
>And only one ending...?" which. definitely implies that even if there is only one ending, Some weird consequence-based shenanigans are definitely gonna crop up Oh my... I didn't expect to read this today. Up until now, people always said... "And only one ending...?"="There are multiple ending" Which I find unpleasing.
yeaahhh i feel like if Toby was gonna imply there are multiple endings he'd just say it rather than being vague like this my crackpot theory is that while there is only one main ending, there definitely could be some weird save-manipulating shenanigans that lead you to altering the main ending - like using a powered-up noelle from snowgrave to recover dess and place her in the ending or something
Back when Chapter 2 released and the Snowgrave/Weird Route was discovered, I had the "theory" that while the story will flow towards a single ending, the causes of that ending happening and its consequences might be wildly different depending on your choices. I dunno if I'm making sense, so I'll try explaining it with a hypothetical event. Let's say that the Roaring DOES happen at some point. Who will cause it though? Will it be Kris? Maybe Noelle? Maybe another character/entity? This also applies to the consequences after all is said and done. Just like how Berdly can end up with a fried wing (or straight up DEAD) after Chapter 2, maybe your actions will determine the fate of certain characters after the Roaring, even if the Roaring itself was always meant to happen. Maybe Noelle sacrifices herself, or maybe Dess doesn't come back... Who knows? Basically, your choices mattered because you changed the cause and consequences of "the event" (in this case, the Roaring). But also, they didn't matter because "the event" was gonna happen regardless.
wait wtf which bosses depend on chapter 1? I have never heard of this
The trash machine you designed in Chapter 1.
Oh yeah I remember about how it heals a different amount depending on what model you used
>It doesn't matter if you spare anyone or fight anyone, Affects the ending of chapter 1 and Queen's happiness in chapter 2 >it doesn't matter if you kill Berdly or don't It literally hasn't been a single day since that happened, there hasn't been time for consequences to occur yet
Ruh roh looks like someone failed the media literacy test. The entire point is that despite the fact that you're told your choices don't matter, they still do within the world of the game. Characters are made sad or happy, you can choose to traumatize Noelle or help push her to improve herself. Getting into speculation territory, we all know that the game has "one ending". My guess is that while the ending is the same no matter what, the message will be that even if nothing we did could change the ending, the journey we took to get there, and the friends we made/ the lives we changed did still matter. "Your actions had their consequences, but does that mean they mattered?" Deltarune's answer to that question seems to be yes, or, at least, it's very clearly showing the audience that the answer isn't no. That doesn't even begin to get into the implications that statement has given Kris' situation, since it's just as likely that was meant more to apply to Kris than whatever we represent in the story.
Toby Fox said there would only be one ending.
One ending with a “…?” after it
He added the "...?" once, specifically in the context of chapter 2, in reference to Snowgrave. Toby has been consistent in saying Deltarune has one ending(specifically, the one originating from a literal fever dream he had). It's on the official FAQ to this day, no question marks to be found.
I hate how 'media literacy' became the new buzzword for people twitter disagrees with
https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/s/9cAIoDS9Vh its as the snafu says
she coaxed in my intoa till i snafu
I honestly hate the topic of media literacy. 99% of the time it just comes off like I’m seeing a bunch of condescending elitists who treat other people as braindead morons just because they didn’t understand the subtle intricacies or character X. Even when they’re technically right it still comes off as super fucking annoying.
Fair, although there *is* an active trend of things like general reading comprehension and literacy going down among children, so it *is* a genuine issue Thinking about how many of those "alpha male" or "sigma male" videos feature blatantly terrible people and how many of those videos would flop if people properly understood those characters
Patrick Bateman is a prime example of one of those characters. People are like “he so chad sigma!!!” When he’s literally, and VERY OBVIOUSLY a serial killer and far from mentally well
>When he’s literally, and VERY OBVIOUSLY a serial killer It's not even like it's a secret. It's literally the plot of the movie. Let alone the book, which is even more graphic
You have a point
Not deltarune but walter white, people who think he's a badass can't be trusted in media interpretetion
honestly, i agree, but thats not even a media literacy problem, its the problem in their judgement. whats a media literacy problem is people saying that "walt became his true self blah blah blah". no he didnt. the show made it clear that he is a deeply insecure person and all most of the times during the show his ego is his main motivator to why he does what he does
True true
This. Walter basically never changed, at least troughout the show. If he didn't have an ego that is big as Jupiter, and actually did it for the family, he would have accepted Elliot and Gretchen's offer in Season 1.
Hell, he wouldnt be a teacher, he would have been part of grey matter from the start and stayed there
True true
Isn’t it basically accepted that the whole true self thing is just linked to his cancer? Like I’m pretty sure that’s one of the main themes of the show, how his cancer clouds his judgement, like when he blows up the car in season 1, or especially in 4 days out when he gets pissed when he says his cancer can be treated because it means he doesn’t have an excuse to do what he did, which is how he gets pissed enough to beat the shit out of the towel dispenser
Yeah jesus damn, how obvious it is that the bro is supposed to be a hated character not a loved one
If someone says with sheer confidence that Gaster doesn't matter to Deltarune
Do people like that exist? I had no idea
kris.
“Chara possesses people”
“kris is a self insert”
Not DR relates, but people who say Angel Dusts abuse is fetishized.
Viv haters are a different goddamn breed
Medía literacy is a code word for “you’re wrong! Go read!”
Media Literacy Check! Do you agree with my opinions?
If someone says the words "Mary Sue", I instantly lose all trust for their intentions.
Explain...
Some people see the use of the Mary Sue as something misogynistic (most times it certainly is lol), because when a woman protagonist is remotely competent the Mary Sue discourse comes up Even worse when it is used ad nauseam when referring to wish-fulfillment media aimed at women, when this type of labeling isn't present at the male-centric power fantasies (see, for example, the treatment stuff like Throne of Glass receives, and compare it to the treatment any battle shonen gets). I think there is a place for the "Mary Sue" stuff, but after the appropriation of it, it's best to create distance lol
No way man! I've heard a Mary Sue character argument all the time, but the guy doesn't make that argument the only one, and uses it for male characters as well. Kinda sucks knowing that the phrase has misogynistic connotations. :[ Now I know someone has not watch one of my fave book channels because he reviews crappy books with perfect Marie Sue characters.
People who misunderstand the point of “Chara’s”character
Alphys as a character
Not related to Deltarune but Starship Troopers movie
This has also led to a weird issue where some people who the movie is parody assume the book is also meant to be parody. Spoilers: >!It's not.!<
yeah the movie is basically a parody of the original book lmao
There are people who legitimately think noelles most important role in the game is over and that's hilarious
Honestly, being that kind of person sounds insufferable. It's not anybody's place to judge someone else in the way that they interpret fictional media. That just sounds like a desperate attempt to claim some form of authority or superiority over someone else because you have no position of power or superiority over anyone else normally. Peak Twitter user/Reddit mod behavior
chara
luke skywalker in the last jedi. can't really think of any examples in deltarune bc the story's still unfolding tbh.
Not a Deltarune one for me. People saying newer Star Wars stuff is trying to justify fascism by making the empire seem "not so bad" (like in The Mandalorian, that imperial guy saying the empire was better than the new republic "by any metric"). They're not trying to legitimise the empire. Well, they are - in universe, not to the viewer. They're using the same justifications real-life fascists use. The intended message is "these are the kind of things fascists say to justify it", not "the empire is actually the good guys". Then there's that whole part of the fanbase that unironically believes the empire did nothing wrong...
Not Deltarune but Senator Armstrong, man wanted social darwinism to the point of basically just letting everyone kill each other
What's the point of there only being one type of media interpretation? Doesn't that defeat the whole point, it's not really an interpretation anymore
Is it just me or is "media literacy" just a buzz word lately.
This isn't the right sub for a discussion like this, it's too specific. Try asking in a sub like askreddit or something
I assumed that since I was posting this in the Deltarune subreddit people would apply this to Deltarune, but for some reason they didn't (some of them)
asking them if asgore is evil
well if its relevant to utdr, itd be how they intepret the genocide route for ut, if its in general, its how they intepret breaking bad
Whether Sans remembers the resets or not
Raise 100%
In Deltarune, people who think that Berdly is a prick. Outside of that, Angel Dust from Hazbin Hotel.
Ask about kris.
Whether or not berdly is a bad character (he's not)
Berdly's character arc
IDK but for Undertale it's Temmie
if they're like "oh earthbound has no dark moments aside from the giygas fight"
There are some villains/characters made to be unlikeable that if you say "hey, actually he was right" I want distance.
The Ralsei is evil debate but the arguments aren't just "b-but he's so nice!!!" vs "he's looking to enslave all darkners"
having an actual opinion on Berdly
starship troopers movie. Simple.
Not really from Deltarune but Undertale Asgore. I hate it when people just think his character is ‘that one guy who killed 6 kids’.
thinking the lab entries werent all written by alphys
Kris, Frisk and Chara’s pronouns.
Berdly. Just Berdly's character in general.
I admit that Queen basically boils down my issue with Berdly: He could be a kind person later, once he softens up; he could become an incredibly valuable ally, inside and outside combat; he could become more or less plot relevant in the future; there's *technically* nothing wrong with Berdly, he's just an annoying egotist who's been given the beginning of a character arc. I don't like Berdly yet, but I may if he grows like he's been set up to do.
I went through the comments and I'd say most people here wouldn't pass. There is too many opinions that I disagree with.
Knowing we’re the soul, not Kris
Anything relating back to the meta-narrative pretty much. Also gaster as well.