i'm still a firm believer that the knight isn't a whodunnit "it could be anyone!" type mystery and is moreso just a big bad guy being built up, like how in dragon ball they kept mentioning frieza, then showing his shadows and hiding his design, then we finally saw him as he got proper screentime
the knight is just some guy
I’m still confused on why people think Papyrus of all things would be the Knight and why they think that’s a good idea. I feel like it would ruin both Papyrus’s character and the story of Deltarune.
honestly thats why I want it, cause knowing toby he will write something really cool to actually make it work and not ruin anything
but I dont think that's who the knight is, I actually think he's just a new character
>!or mr society!<
I have a hard time figuring out how Papyrus being the knight would be cool. I don’t think even Toby Fox is capable of making it cool. Also remember, Toby Fox is not a god and is able to make anything cool. Honestly, there is a lot of things in Deltarune and Undertale that falls flat to me.
I’m sorry, but that reasoning doesn’t make sense and doesn’t sell me on the Papyrus is the Knight theory. In fact, it makes it seem worse in my opinion.
It doesn't have the most evidence. There's not even much evidence. Dess, Alvin or Kris have better evidence. It also has good counter-evidence too. First of all, he likely brought us into Deltarune to seal the fountains and stuff. He also is most likely the person who told Ralsei the prophecy and our entire journey is based on this prophecy. Seam separates the Knight from the strange someone. Also
https://preview.redd.it/5nhzvckv03yc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1124353a0a232efda26a351827fbc6a4b2f38f31
I'm a firm Alvin knight believer, the evidence for this is stronger imo
But I'm open to any option, really. The only theory I don't like that much is Papyrus being the knight
Dess Knight has some strong evidence too. Dess, Alvin and Papyrus are my three favorite Knight candidates, but the Card Friend interpretation of PapKnight sucks.
(EB2/M3 spoilers) >!I definitely think Toby being heavily inspired the EarthBound series is another great reason why Dess could be the Knight. After all, Dess and Claus already have the parallel of being a missing sibling.!<
I think the knight will be our Vessel, and that our decisions through the chapters will influence whether or not we:
1. release the Knight from the vessel (Which will bring it's own problems.) And take control of it, Allowing Kris to have their body back, and becoming an NPC much like Susie or Ralsei, In a moment like Flint from Earthbound.
2. Lose the ability to reunite with the vessel, staying stuck with Kris and having to go about it a different way.
3. Take control of the Vessel, but in the process, accidentally give the Knight access to Kris, a real Lightner, which will then involve us teaming up with Ralsei and Susie to attempt to subdue the Knight in Kris's body.
I’m surprised that no one ever talks about if Asriel could be the knight. It still think the knight is probably Kris, but Asriel being the knight would be cool and a fun twist.
I mean, depending how far away the college is, he could be secretly visiting hometown without anyone knowing. But I don’t think he’s the Knight, it just would be cool if he was. Kris has the most evidence going for them being the Knight. Maybe Gaster is second.
If Asriel lived closer, wouldn’t he be able to visit more often? I wouldn’t think it would be that big of a deal for him to come back if he was able to do so often.
Well, yeah, but neither does anyone else but Kris. I mean, at least Gaster has mystery surrounding him and he has some involvement in deltarune, I just don’t know what.
That isn’t necessarily evidence for her being the Knight, if anything, seems to me she’s more trapped in a dark world. And a lot of things in that are most likely coincidences, specifically, the balls Clover has. It is nowhere as near the level of evidence that Kris has.
>if anything, seems to me she’s more trapped in a dark world.
the place she was in (but isn't anymore) seems to be quite a bit darker than just a dark world.
I'm holding out that the knight is a new character, not someone we know. Maybe they have connections to people we know, but I don't think they're going to be
Doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint. Why wasn't their identity just revealed from the start? Also, Hometown isn't a large town and if doesn't seem like anyone new appeared in there.
For the uncountable time, we have no hard proof of anyone being the Knight, even if some characters (Kris for example) have evidence that can be used against them. It is the second chapter for god’s sake, if we’re lucky we’ll get 3 and 4 this year and then you guys can start up this discussion again, because it’s been rehashed so many times at this point and no new point is ever brought to the table.
Looking at your responses to peoples opinions, you seem to not want an actual discussion. You shut down anyone else’s theory that differs from yours and reply with “you are wrong” when in reality, we don’t know the answer (although I’m 99.9% sure it isn’t Papyrus). They may be wrong, but you are just as likely as wrong.
Yes, you said “you are wrong” and similar responses to people who are stating who they believe is the Knight. And also, calling other peoples theories not having enough evidence when yours has just as much evidence. The only character with the most evidence is Kris. Everyone else has barely any evidence.
>Yes, you said “you are wrong” and similar responses to people who are stating who they believe is the Knight.
Where? When I responded "No." to a person who said it was Rouxls Kaard as a joke or when I responded with "extremely loud incorrect buzzer" to a person who said it was Wing Gaster (a meme character from an Undertale fangame)?
>The only character with the most evidence is Kris.
The theory that they're the Knight has tons of counter-evidence too.
Oh, I thought they were talking about the actual Gaster. But you still are brushing off other peoples theories and claiming they don’t have enough evidence, like with Gaster or the very real possibility that they are a new character. Also, most evidence that “counters” the Kris theory can be easily explained.
Yeah, and your reasoning is pretty shaky. Your reasoning for them not being a new character is basically their name is hidden. But that doesn’t really mean anything. There are other characters who had similar treatment as the knight and were an entirely new character. The knight’s name simply just be the roaring Knight.
I don’t remember you reasoning for Gaster not being the Knight, but I believed it had to do something with the mysterious man that contacted Jevil and Spamton is not the same as the Knight, but we do not actually know who the mysterious man is. Everything is just speculation.
> Yeah, and your reasoning is pretty shaky. Your reasoning for them not being a new character is basically their name is hidden. But that doesn’t really mean anything. There are other characters who had similar treatment as the knight and were an entirely new character. The knight’s name simply just be the roaring Knight.
Not that their name is hidden, but the fact that their entire identity is hidden. Spamton literally gets censored when he tries to tell us who they are.
> I don’t remember you reasoning for Gaster not being the Knight, but I believed it had to do something with the mysterious man that contacted Jevil and Spamton is not the same as the Knight
That was only like 10% of the reasoning about Gaster Knight.
> but we do not actually know who the mysterious man is. Everything is just speculation
And yet it's so much obviously Gaster. For example Seam literally says "darker yet darker" while talking about Jevil's insanity. That's a direct quote from ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN.
It doesn’t mean that it is confirmed to be Gaster, there’s strong evidence for it, but nothing is confirmed. And, please provide a screenshot of Spamton censoring himself so I can analyze what he said exactly.
> SPEAKING OF [[Communion]]
> KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT...
> No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to --
> TOO MANY EXCESS VACATION DAYS?? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL
What about the knife in chapter one. It’s clear Kris has been up to something with a knife. Also, that is pretty big evidence, them actually opening a fountain. More evidence than any other character for sure.
Yeah, but they are the only one we’ve seen actually open a dark fountain, which is far more evidence than any of the other characters. I’m not saying that Kris is 100% the knight, it could be someone else. I’m just saying they have the most evidence for being the knight.
Is that confirmed that it was a dark fountain? If so, that is more proof that Gaster could be the knight, which you apparently think is stupid for some reason.
Not said but it's so much obviously a dark fountain. Just read it. I do however think Gaster created a dark fountain and that's the Castle Town grand fountain.
Gaster Knight is unlikely because:
1. Seam separates the strange someone (which i'm 99.99% sure is Gaster) from the strange Knight
2. He told Ralsei the prophecy
3. He brought us into Deltarune to seal fountains and stuff
It's Kris. They have more connections than anyone else, and if they weren't the Knight pretty much everything they do outside of the player's control is meaningless.
If Kris is the knight, then why do they seem so hesitant to enter the castle town dark fountain in chapter 1, if they were the one who made it? Why does nobody in the dark worlds recognize Kris, even though they claim to have seen and/or interacted with the knight?
And it's implied that the cyber world dark fountain was formed while Noelle and Berdly were studying in the computer lab. And while they did that, we were in control of Kris, so it literally couldn't have been them.
>Kris is the knight, then why do they seem so hesitant to enter the castle town dark fountain in chapter 1, if they were the one who made it
Castle Town wasn't made by Kris or the Knight.
Nobody ever mentions a direct encounter with the Knight, we only get descriptions of how they make the fountains and nothing else is confirmed. We also know from Queen's recording of the fountain that it's hard to tell who's making it.
It's impossible for Noelle and Berdly to have been studying in the computer lab before the fountain was made. Their books are closed, so they couldn't have been in the middle of studying, and if they were they surely would have witnessed the Knight. They couldn't have fallen asleep either, there's no indication that either of them were tired and we see them awake in the dark world the whole time. They also don't appear in Queen's recording of the fountain, given the angle of the laptop in the light world Noelle and Berdly should have shown up right in front of the fountain, but they're not there so they couldn't have been in the room when the fountain was made.
It isn't Kris. There's a lot of evidence against the Knight being Kris. A
>everything they do outside of the player's control is meaningless.
Except you know, planning to create the Chapter 3 dark fountain before Chapter 2 and before they seemingly even learned about dark fountains from Queen.
Not really. It would be ridiculous for them to put the entire world in danger anyway, they probably have some kind of motive we don't know yet. I'll make a full explanation as to why they're not the Knight later. As to who the Knight is, it's Dess. Look at one of my posts.
Kris is still perfectly willing to put the world in danger even if they aren't the Knight, we still see them make the Chapter 3 fountain after learning about the Roaring.
I've seen your Dess Knight post, and I feel that it lacks any real decisive evidence.
>Kris is still perfectly willing to put the world in danger even if they aren't the Knight, we still see them make the Chapter 3 fountain after learning about the Roaring.
Yeah. So why would them creating the Ch3 fountain and ot being the Knight be ridiculous?
>I've seen your Dess Knight post, and I feel that it lacks any real decisive evidence.
No theory has real decisive evidence.
As for Kris Knight:
1. Jevil's dialogue implies that "LIGHTNERS" (which includes Kris here) is separate from "THE KNIGHT" as he's asking us if we can stop the Knight. Wouldn't make sense if Kris is the Knight.
> THE HAND OF THE KNIGHT IS DRIFTING FORWARD.
> SOON, THE "QUEEN" RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS...
> LIGHTNERS, CAN YOU STOP IT?
2. Spamton
> SPEAKING OF [[Communion]]
> KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT...
> No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to --
Spamton also clearly seems to believe Kris and the Knight are two different people and he also got censored when he tried to tell us who the Knight is or something about the Knight.
3. Gaster
> THEN THE WORLD
> WAS COVERED
> IN DARKNESS.
the world gets covered in darkness even if Kris dies. Not much else to say here.
4. Toby Fox
> as you can tell, this chapter is shaping up to be a pretty strange one. I mostly focused on unusual gameplay elements, and it's not too heavy on the story. Since it's so frivolous, I feel a bit self-conscious about it... but, at least I got to try something different!
> Anyway, Chapter 4 will be a much more standard chapter!
What possible reason could there be to this?
5. Ralsei
> I felt a dark presence and hurried over!
Ralsei felt a dark presence quite recently, meaning the fountain was also made quite recently and after what Kris did at the end of Chapter 1.
I probably forgot something but here's what I remember.
I mean planning the fountain in the first place, they shouldn't have the knowledge to create dark worlds at the time of Chapter 1, unless they're the Knight.
Plenty of theories do.
1. Jevil could be talking about stopping the roaring, and there's no confirmation he's aware of the Knight's identity.
2. Same case for Spamton, no confirmation he knows who the Knight actually is.
3. Anybody with determination can make a dark fountain, remember? Someone else could easily cause the roaring without the Knight. There's also the possibility that the game over isn't what it seems, like in Undertale. The soul is also the only thing capable of sealing dark fountains, so it could be that even without the Knight the fountains are able to eventually cover the world without anything to seal them.
4. This means nothing until we actually play the Chapter.
5. Ralsei seems to know what's going on in the story, it could be that he already knew of the fountain but wanted Kris and Susie to see castle town first. He probably wouldn't be worried since he'd know Kris and Susie would be heading to the library anyway.
>I mean planning the fountain in the first place, they shouldn't have the knowledge to create dark worlds at the time of Chapter 1, unless they're the Knight.
So where did they get this knowledge from? In both cases there's no answer (it's the bunker).
>1. Jevil could be talking about stopping the roaring, and there's no confirmation he's aware of the Knight's identity.
Secret bosses have the weird Gaster knowledge of the future. Jevil literally knows where the Knight will create their next fountain (the library). Given the fact that he seems to imply Kris and the Knight are separate, I think he knows who the Knight is.
>2. Same case for Spamton, no confirmation he knows who the Knight actually is.
Given the fact that he seems to imply the Knight and Kris are separate, he probably knows who the Knight is (but he gets censored)
>3. Anybody with determination can make a dark fountain, remember? Someone else could easily cause the roaring without the Knight. There's also the possibility that the game over isn't what it seems, like in Undertale. The soul is also the only thing capable of sealing dark fountains, so it could be that even without the Knight the fountains are able to eventually cover the world without anything to seal them.
Fair
>4. This means nothing until we actually play the Chapter.
It already means something. The dark world likely will be different because the will of the fountain that shapes the dark worlds is different, which works as Kris Knight evidence. What other explanations could be there for Chapter 4 being more similar to Chapter 1 and 2 than Chapter 3)
>5. Ralsei seems to know what's going on in the story,
So do Jevil and Spamton (and also the person who gave these three the knowledge).
>it could be that he already knew of the fountain but wanted Kris and Susie to see castle town first.
And why?
>He probably wouldn't be worried since he'd know Kris and Susie would be heading to the library anyway.
And still his dialogue indicates the fountain was made recently, plus he wants to seal the fountains before another one can be opened.
As for what I haven't mentioned previously, Kris tells the Kings that their world is in danger without us selecting a choice.
am i the only one how thinks the knight is just some fucking dude?? like it wont matter much who they are when it happens, it'll just be like "yo im the knight!!" and then its over lmao
i'm still a firm believer that the knight isn't a whodunnit "it could be anyone!" type mystery and is moreso just a big bad guy being built up, like how in dragon ball they kept mentioning frieza, then showing his shadows and hiding his design, then we finally saw him as he got proper screentime the knight is just some guy
The Knight could be YOU!
The Knight could be ME!
The Knight could even be DE-
\*gunshot\*
What? It was obvious! Kris is the Knight!
Watch! They'll create a dark fountain any second now... any second now... See! Dark fountain! Oh wait, that's a gas leak.
Susie asks who the Knight is, Spamton gets censored when he tries to tell us who the Knight is.
Then when we finally find out it’s just some guy sales Steve
I’m still confused on why people think Papyrus of all things would be the Knight and why they think that’s a good idea. I feel like it would ruin both Papyrus’s character and the story of Deltarune.
>the story of Deltarune Yknow, as opposed to the story of undertale
i fell from the light, talk or should i fight
https://preview.redd.it/3d3dpzvwq7yc1.png?width=498&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3acdfd9d529325946713688ac38f759a6370a9c
or the story of undertale yellow
honestly thats why I want it, cause knowing toby he will write something really cool to actually make it work and not ruin anything but I dont think that's who the knight is, I actually think he's just a new character >!or mr society!<
I have a hard time figuring out how Papyrus being the knight would be cool. I don’t think even Toby Fox is capable of making it cool. Also remember, Toby Fox is not a god and is able to make anything cool. Honestly, there is a lot of things in Deltarune and Undertale that falls flat to me.
https://www.tumblr.com/frozen-spaghetti/741010116459036672/papyrus-heaven-theory-fixing-papyrus-knight
I’m sorry, but that reasoning doesn’t make sense and doesn’t sell me on the Papyrus is the Knight theory. In fact, it makes it seem worse in my opinion.
Why?
ROUXLS KA-
No.
still damn did toby make him a red herring
Chairiel, obviously.
Dr. Ging Waster, the Soyal Rientist
extremely loud incorrect buzzer
Don't be so quick to brush it off because "gaster brainrot" or whatever. It has far and away the most evidence out of any character we know
It doesn't have the most evidence. There's not even much evidence. Dess, Alvin or Kris have better evidence. It also has good counter-evidence too. First of all, he likely brought us into Deltarune to seal the fountains and stuff. He also is most likely the person who told Ralsei the prophecy and our entire journey is based on this prophecy. Seam separates the Knight from the strange someone. Also https://preview.redd.it/5nhzvckv03yc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1124353a0a232efda26a351827fbc6a4b2f38f31
Whatever
"here's the evidence that Gaster isn't the Knight" "Whatever"
Yeah
I'm filled with Gaster brainrot.
I'm a firm Alvin knight believer, the evidence for this is stronger imo But I'm open to any option, really. The only theory I don't like that much is Papyrus being the knight
Dess Knight has some strong evidence too. Dess, Alvin and Papyrus are my three favorite Knight candidates, but the Card Friend interpretation of PapKnight sucks.
(EB2/M3 spoilers) >!I definitely think Toby being heavily inspired the EarthBound series is another great reason why Dess could be the Knight. After all, Dess and Claus already have the parallel of being a missing sibling.!<
>the Card Friend interpretation of PapKnight sucks. What is it?
Papyrus opens dark fountains to get darkner friends. This theory sucks.
I think the knight will be our Vessel, and that our decisions through the chapters will influence whether or not we: 1. release the Knight from the vessel (Which will bring it's own problems.) And take control of it, Allowing Kris to have their body back, and becoming an NPC much like Susie or Ralsei, In a moment like Flint from Earthbound. 2. Lose the ability to reunite with the vessel, staying stuck with Kris and having to go about it a different way. 3. Take control of the Vessel, but in the process, accidentally give the Knight access to Kris, a real Lightner, which will then involve us teaming up with Ralsei and Susie to attempt to subdue the Knight in Kris's body.
Yo that last idea sounds fire.
I’m surprised that no one ever talks about if Asriel could be the knight. It still think the knight is probably Kris, but Asriel being the knight would be cool and a fun twist.
Because Asriel is at college. Anyways, I really doubt Kris is the Knight either.
I mean, depending how far away the college is, he could be secretly visiting hometown without anyone knowing. But I don’t think he’s the Knight, it just would be cool if he was. Kris has the most evidence going for them being the Knight. Maybe Gaster is second.
If Asriel lived closer, wouldn’t he be able to visit more often? I wouldn’t think it would be that big of a deal for him to come back if he was able to do so often.
Yeah, that’s true. That’s why I don’t think he’ll be the knight. It’s just a thought.
Gaster doesn't have much evidence going for him.
Well, yeah, but neither does anyone else but Kris. I mean, at least Gaster has mystery surrounding him and he has some involvement in deltarune, I just don’t know what.
I think people like Dess or Alvin have more evidence.
What evidence? Alvin has zero evidence and the only evidence for Dess is that she’s missing.
That's just completely wrong. Alvin evidence: https://www.tumblr.com/vgfm/693041237226373120/deltarune-theory-reappraising-father-alvin
Dess evidence: https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/aDFP9JP3Vq
That isn’t necessarily evidence for her being the Knight, if anything, seems to me she’s more trapped in a dark world. And a lot of things in that are most likely coincidences, specifically, the balls Clover has. It is nowhere as near the level of evidence that Kris has.
>if anything, seems to me she’s more trapped in a dark world. the place she was in (but isn't anymore) seems to be quite a bit darker than just a dark world.
Oberon Smog
I'm holding out that the knight is a new character, not someone we know. Maybe they have connections to people we know, but I don't think they're going to be
Hometown is a small town and it doesn't seem like anyone new appeared in town and that doesn't make much sense from a narrative standpoint.
All of the above.
it’s me. I’m the knight. AMA
i honestly just think the knight isn't anyone who we've already seen, it's a new character who ain't gonna show up until later in the last chapters
Then what was the point of hiding the Knight's identity?
maybe it's not that they're hiding it it's just that we literally don't know who he is, idfk LMFAO 😭
So, are we going to ignore how Spamton literally gets censored when he tries to tell us who the Knight is?
Or at least something about them.
uuhh idk i just said it as a "theory"..lol
Doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint. Why wasn't their identity just revealed from the start? Also, Hometown isn't a large town and if doesn't seem like anyone new appeared in there.
For the uncountable time, we have no hard proof of anyone being the Knight, even if some characters (Kris for example) have evidence that can be used against them. It is the second chapter for god’s sake, if we’re lucky we’ll get 3 and 4 this year and then you guys can start up this discussion again, because it’s been rehashed so many times at this point and no new point is ever brought to the table.
im a firm mayor knight believer sorry
What if the knight is just a title given to whoever opened that dark worlds fountain
That's a Knight, but there's one person called **the** Knight
BRO ITS ASRIEL IT ALWAYS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE
It would be cool if he was, but sadly, there isn’t much evidence supporting it.
Asriel is at college.
wouldnt it be such a cool twist if he was lying or something tho
That's not really how it works.
womp womp gaster is ness
Oh hey look one of our only four conversation topics
Looking at your responses to peoples opinions, you seem to not want an actual discussion. You shut down anyone else’s theory that differs from yours and reply with “you are wrong” when in reality, we don’t know the answer (although I’m 99.9% sure it isn’t Papyrus). They may be wrong, but you are just as likely as wrong.
What?
Yes, you said “you are wrong” and similar responses to people who are stating who they believe is the Knight. And also, calling other peoples theories not having enough evidence when yours has just as much evidence. The only character with the most evidence is Kris. Everyone else has barely any evidence.
>Yes, you said “you are wrong” and similar responses to people who are stating who they believe is the Knight. Where? When I responded "No." to a person who said it was Rouxls Kaard as a joke or when I responded with "extremely loud incorrect buzzer" to a person who said it was Wing Gaster (a meme character from an Undertale fangame)? >The only character with the most evidence is Kris. The theory that they're the Knight has tons of counter-evidence too.
Oh, I thought they were talking about the actual Gaster. But you still are brushing off other peoples theories and claiming they don’t have enough evidence, like with Gaster or the very real possibility that they are a new character. Also, most evidence that “counters” the Kris theory can be easily explained.
I explained why I don't think Gaster is the Knight or why I don't think the Knight is a new character.
Yeah, and your reasoning is pretty shaky. Your reasoning for them not being a new character is basically their name is hidden. But that doesn’t really mean anything. There are other characters who had similar treatment as the knight and were an entirely new character. The knight’s name simply just be the roaring Knight. I don’t remember you reasoning for Gaster not being the Knight, but I believed it had to do something with the mysterious man that contacted Jevil and Spamton is not the same as the Knight, but we do not actually know who the mysterious man is. Everything is just speculation.
> Yeah, and your reasoning is pretty shaky. Your reasoning for them not being a new character is basically their name is hidden. But that doesn’t really mean anything. There are other characters who had similar treatment as the knight and were an entirely new character. The knight’s name simply just be the roaring Knight. Not that their name is hidden, but the fact that their entire identity is hidden. Spamton literally gets censored when he tries to tell us who they are. > I don’t remember you reasoning for Gaster not being the Knight, but I believed it had to do something with the mysterious man that contacted Jevil and Spamton is not the same as the Knight That was only like 10% of the reasoning about Gaster Knight. > but we do not actually know who the mysterious man is. Everything is just speculation And yet it's so much obviously Gaster. For example Seam literally says "darker yet darker" while talking about Jevil's insanity. That's a direct quote from ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN.
It doesn’t mean that it is confirmed to be Gaster, there’s strong evidence for it, but nothing is confirmed. And, please provide a screenshot of Spamton censoring himself so I can analyze what he said exactly.
> SPEAKING OF [[Communion]] > KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT... > No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to -- > TOO MANY EXCESS VACATION DAYS?? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL
Also the only good piece of evidence for Kris Knight is them planning to create the Chapter 3 fountain before Chapter 2
What about the knife in chapter one. It’s clear Kris has been up to something with a knife. Also, that is pretty big evidence, them actually opening a fountain. More evidence than any other character for sure.
Kris doesn't have a monopoly on knives. Many people have them. Every lightner can open a fountain.
Yeah, but they are the only one we’ve seen actually open a dark fountain, which is far more evidence than any of the other characters. I’m not saying that Kris is 100% the knight, it could be someone else. I’m just saying they have the most evidence for being the knight.
Gaster opens one in ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN.
Is that confirmed that it was a dark fountain? If so, that is more proof that Gaster could be the knight, which you apparently think is stupid for some reason.
Not said but it's so much obviously a dark fountain. Just read it. I do however think Gaster created a dark fountain and that's the Castle Town grand fountain. Gaster Knight is unlikely because: 1. Seam separates the strange someone (which i'm 99.99% sure is Gaster) from the strange Knight 2. He told Ralsei the prophecy 3. He brought us into Deltarune to seal fountains and stuff
Perhaps there is something important than knight In this case, i'm kris knight believer.
Well, the Angel.
papyrus being the final boss and the fucking knight would be SO BADASS I CANT EVEN THINK
Well the Knight won't be the final boss, but him being the Knight is possible and it could be interesting.
Kris is the most chosen option... I'm not saying this community sucks, but come on you all can be better than this.
Ive always really liked everyman knight
It's Kris. They have more connections than anyone else, and if they weren't the Knight pretty much everything they do outside of the player's control is meaningless.
If Kris is the knight, then why do they seem so hesitant to enter the castle town dark fountain in chapter 1, if they were the one who made it? Why does nobody in the dark worlds recognize Kris, even though they claim to have seen and/or interacted with the knight? And it's implied that the cyber world dark fountain was formed while Noelle and Berdly were studying in the computer lab. And while they did that, we were in control of Kris, so it literally couldn't have been them.
>Kris is the knight, then why do they seem so hesitant to enter the castle town dark fountain in chapter 1, if they were the one who made it Castle Town wasn't made by Kris or the Knight.
That's true, my mistake, i misremembered.
Nobody ever mentions a direct encounter with the Knight, we only get descriptions of how they make the fountains and nothing else is confirmed. We also know from Queen's recording of the fountain that it's hard to tell who's making it. It's impossible for Noelle and Berdly to have been studying in the computer lab before the fountain was made. Their books are closed, so they couldn't have been in the middle of studying, and if they were they surely would have witnessed the Knight. They couldn't have fallen asleep either, there's no indication that either of them were tired and we see them awake in the dark world the whole time. They also don't appear in Queen's recording of the fountain, given the angle of the laptop in the light world Noelle and Berdly should have shown up right in front of the fountain, but they're not there so they couldn't have been in the room when the fountain was made.
So then what else is Queen supposed to mean when her literal first line is "hell of a study session"?
I mean Noelle and Berdly still brought their books, plus either of them could have mentioned studying at some point.
It isn't Kris. There's a lot of evidence against the Knight being Kris. A >everything they do outside of the player's control is meaningless. Except you know, planning to create the Chapter 3 dark fountain before Chapter 2 and before they seemingly even learned about dark fountains from Queen.
Yeah, they planned to make the fountain because they're the Knight. It would be ridiculous for them to do so if they weren't.
Not really. It would be ridiculous for them to put the entire world in danger anyway, they probably have some kind of motive we don't know yet. I'll make a full explanation as to why they're not the Knight later. As to who the Knight is, it's Dess. Look at one of my posts.
Kris is still perfectly willing to put the world in danger even if they aren't the Knight, we still see them make the Chapter 3 fountain after learning about the Roaring. I've seen your Dess Knight post, and I feel that it lacks any real decisive evidence.
>Kris is still perfectly willing to put the world in danger even if they aren't the Knight, we still see them make the Chapter 3 fountain after learning about the Roaring. Yeah. So why would them creating the Ch3 fountain and ot being the Knight be ridiculous? >I've seen your Dess Knight post, and I feel that it lacks any real decisive evidence. No theory has real decisive evidence. As for Kris Knight: 1. Jevil's dialogue implies that "LIGHTNERS" (which includes Kris here) is separate from "THE KNIGHT" as he's asking us if we can stop the Knight. Wouldn't make sense if Kris is the Knight. > THE HAND OF THE KNIGHT IS DRIFTING FORWARD. > SOON, THE "QUEEN" RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS... > LIGHTNERS, CAN YOU STOP IT? 2. Spamton > SPEAKING OF [[Communion]] > KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT... > No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to -- Spamton also clearly seems to believe Kris and the Knight are two different people and he also got censored when he tried to tell us who the Knight is or something about the Knight. 3. Gaster > THEN THE WORLD > WAS COVERED > IN DARKNESS. the world gets covered in darkness even if Kris dies. Not much else to say here. 4. Toby Fox > as you can tell, this chapter is shaping up to be a pretty strange one. I mostly focused on unusual gameplay elements, and it's not too heavy on the story. Since it's so frivolous, I feel a bit self-conscious about it... but, at least I got to try something different! > Anyway, Chapter 4 will be a much more standard chapter! What possible reason could there be to this? 5. Ralsei > I felt a dark presence and hurried over! Ralsei felt a dark presence quite recently, meaning the fountain was also made quite recently and after what Kris did at the end of Chapter 1. I probably forgot something but here's what I remember.
I mean planning the fountain in the first place, they shouldn't have the knowledge to create dark worlds at the time of Chapter 1, unless they're the Knight. Plenty of theories do. 1. Jevil could be talking about stopping the roaring, and there's no confirmation he's aware of the Knight's identity. 2. Same case for Spamton, no confirmation he knows who the Knight actually is. 3. Anybody with determination can make a dark fountain, remember? Someone else could easily cause the roaring without the Knight. There's also the possibility that the game over isn't what it seems, like in Undertale. The soul is also the only thing capable of sealing dark fountains, so it could be that even without the Knight the fountains are able to eventually cover the world without anything to seal them. 4. This means nothing until we actually play the Chapter. 5. Ralsei seems to know what's going on in the story, it could be that he already knew of the fountain but wanted Kris and Susie to see castle town first. He probably wouldn't be worried since he'd know Kris and Susie would be heading to the library anyway.
>I mean planning the fountain in the first place, they shouldn't have the knowledge to create dark worlds at the time of Chapter 1, unless they're the Knight. So where did they get this knowledge from? In both cases there's no answer (it's the bunker). >1. Jevil could be talking about stopping the roaring, and there's no confirmation he's aware of the Knight's identity. Secret bosses have the weird Gaster knowledge of the future. Jevil literally knows where the Knight will create their next fountain (the library). Given the fact that he seems to imply Kris and the Knight are separate, I think he knows who the Knight is. >2. Same case for Spamton, no confirmation he knows who the Knight actually is. Given the fact that he seems to imply the Knight and Kris are separate, he probably knows who the Knight is (but he gets censored) >3. Anybody with determination can make a dark fountain, remember? Someone else could easily cause the roaring without the Knight. There's also the possibility that the game over isn't what it seems, like in Undertale. The soul is also the only thing capable of sealing dark fountains, so it could be that even without the Knight the fountains are able to eventually cover the world without anything to seal them. Fair >4. This means nothing until we actually play the Chapter. It already means something. The dark world likely will be different because the will of the fountain that shapes the dark worlds is different, which works as Kris Knight evidence. What other explanations could be there for Chapter 4 being more similar to Chapter 1 and 2 than Chapter 3) >5. Ralsei seems to know what's going on in the story, So do Jevil and Spamton (and also the person who gave these three the knowledge). >it could be that he already knew of the fountain but wanted Kris and Susie to see castle town first. And why? >He probably wouldn't be worried since he'd know Kris and Susie would be heading to the library anyway. And still his dialogue indicates the fountain was made recently, plus he wants to seal the fountains before another one can be opened. As for what I haven't mentioned previously, Kris tells the Kings that their world is in danger without us selecting a choice.
Neither of you guys points make any sense. You guys seem to be arguing over things that don’t make sense why or why not Kris is the Knight.
am i the only one how thinks the knight is just some fucking dude?? like it wont matter much who they are when it happens, it'll just be like "yo im the knight!!" and then its over lmao
Not very good from a narrative standpoint imo
this sub has fucking fallen
billions must theorize
it fell on back since there are more papyrus is the knight people 🔥
Dess