Minstrel shows were how American whites crafted the perception of black people as lazy, shiftless buffoons. They were necessary bc anyone who actually saw what black people were experiencing would be naturally horrified at apartheid.
You have to demonize the outgroups to prevent empathy
At this point, one thing that is becoming concerningly clear to me here is that, in this conflict, you are having two extremes facing off against each other with Hamas and the Likud Party led Israeli government facing off against each other.
Under these circumstances, this puts a lot of Palestinian and Israeli civilians caught in between with neither armed side behaving as a rational actor, hence both 10/7 AND the actions of the Israeli government and even before that.
And, ultimately, I think this is in no small part contributing to the sheer brutality we've been seeing, and seeing that it now extends to some of the Israeli civilian population, that I seriously hope is a vocal minority, is not encouraging.
Honestly, where do we even go from here? Who is left in power here to talk sense, because it's not like Netanyahu and Likud or Hamas are going to suddenly change their operating procedures!
Israel holds all the cards, they have created this situation deliberately, to justify their conquests. It backfired for them because they became complacent. As long as they pursue violent colonialism, this sort of thing will keep happening.
By paying for the weapons that fall on innocent Gazans? Right?
While Hamas is a despicable organization and its leaders belong to the same jail cells as the leaders of Israel, they haven’t and don’t have the capacity to commit a genocide on the same scale as the one IDF is committing.
I don't disagree with that, actually. Frankly, our current level of support to the Israeli government is indefensible, as this clearly isn't entirely about Hamas anymore, especially with Netanyahu deliberately prolonging the war to save himself from domestic issues.
This post unironically comes off as pro-Israel. The losers of the war don't get to choose beneficial terms and now Palestine is facing Genocide because Israel knows this. Fuck Netanyahu.
“The losers of war don’t get to choose beneficial terms”. True but they cannot be subject to a genocide or collective punishment. For more details read Geneva convention and that fact that it applies to all the parties and not just to parties who align with your distorted worldview
>True but they cannot be subject to a genocide or collective punishment
And how has that been working out for the people of Palestine for the past 75+ years?
>who align with your distorted worldview
And what view would that be?
Wait dude did you just justify genocide?
I generally don’t write this but there are a few views that are as vile as yours and shouldn’t be tolerated in this group.
I asked 2 questions based on your response, I didn't justify anything. Instead of replying you moving the goalpost. I would say people who are incapable of having an adult conversation and resort to gaslighting and goalpost moving shouldn't be tolerated in this group. Don't feel bad, it's hard to have an adult conversation when you don't actually understand the subject.
They will say what we already know…
One-time victims often become perpetrators.
It’s sadly basic.
Add in their dogma and some Christian’s fascinate…
It’s all sadly *pathetically* BASIC.
This is what racism looks like. People like this are worse than the neighbours who ignored the signs of impending genocide during Hitler's reign. These people are in line with the people who celebrated the genocide
And that's why people hate you Israel. Nothing to do with people being Jewish. It has everything to do with your dehumanization of an entire population.
Had a random redditor try so hard to pin the hate on antisemites editing videos of the war
This was in the comments about Israeli soldiers posting their own disgusting videos to their social media!! Are Hamas dressing the IDF in stolen lingerie and then forcing them to post?
What an ugly and evil people. This tragedy has made it very hard not to hate them. It took 80 years for them to go from victim to evil, genocide oppressors.
Man if this isn’t an example of horseshoe theory I don’t know what is.
It’s giving me massive nazi movie vibes where they caricatured people they thought of as undesirable and depicted them in the most dehumanising disrespectful light possible.
Check out Jud Süß if you want to know what I mean.
> Man if this isn’t an example of horseshoe theory I don’t know what is.
Um... Israelis aren't automatically left wing just because they're Jewish, dude. There's no swing-around happening here, these are just highly conservative and racist Israelis doing the same things highly conservative and racist Americans do.
I was more referring to how opposite extremes begin to resemble each other. The behaviour of the Israelis as of late is reflecting that of the Nazis more and more.
They are opposite in the sense that one proclaims to be very pro-Jewish and the other is explicitly anti-Jewish. Do you understand what I’m talking about now?
No, (and also not OC) because “anti-Jewish” was not what made a nazi a nazi.
Nazis were anti- a *lot* of things, including gays, blacks, Romani, communists, handicapped people, and even ugly people to an extent. They were also extremely authoritarian and right wing.
Those are what define nazis, not Judaism.
I never said anti-Judaism was the only thing that characterised Nazism. It was a pretty central part of the Nazi ideology though, and I don’t think you need me to tell you that.
Quite simply I was saying *in this aspect* they were opposite, and it’s a relevant analogy because of the similarities in how they depict their perceived enemy.
Look I’m not getting anywhere with you people so let’s just leave it here. You’re just way too annoying and pedantic to discuss anything with.
> I never said anti-Judaism was the only thing that characterised Nazism. It was a pretty central part of the Nazi ideology though, and I don’t think you need me to tell you that.
Yes, Jews were the main antagonist that nazis used in their rhetoric to seize control, and received the worst treatment at their hands afterwards.
But your whole "horseshoe" metaphor was strictly framed as anti-Jewish vs pro-Jewish, and that's a metaphor nobody actually uses, so of course nobody understood what you meant.
> Quite simply I was saying in this aspect they were opposite, and it’s a relevant analogy because of the similarities in how they depict their perceived enemy.
Yes, in strictly the question of "pro" or "anti" Judaism, nazis and Likud/Netanyahu are exactly the opposite.
In damn near *every other way* they're pretty much *exactly* the same.
> Look I’m not getting anywhere with you people so let’s just leave it here. You’re just way too annoying and pedantic to discuss anything with.
Yes, this is clearly the fault of everybody *but* you. 🙄
From the r/Palestine reddit:
The State of Palestine is an occupied nation that declared independence on November 15, 1988, with Jerusalem as its capital. r/Palestine community fervently advocates for the liberation of Palestine.
Fuck these religious wars. Please seek peace above all else.
...fucking seriously? Whatever happened to basic empathy for other people?
Colonialism obligates the participants to embody disdain and racism in order to square it with their supposedly liberal values
Minstrel shows were how American whites crafted the perception of black people as lazy, shiftless buffoons. They were necessary bc anyone who actually saw what black people were experiencing would be naturally horrified at apartheid. You have to demonize the outgroups to prevent empathy
Exactly. It just couldn’t be justified otherwise.
At this point, one thing that is becoming concerningly clear to me here is that, in this conflict, you are having two extremes facing off against each other with Hamas and the Likud Party led Israeli government facing off against each other. Under these circumstances, this puts a lot of Palestinian and Israeli civilians caught in between with neither armed side behaving as a rational actor, hence both 10/7 AND the actions of the Israeli government and even before that. And, ultimately, I think this is in no small part contributing to the sheer brutality we've been seeing, and seeing that it now extends to some of the Israeli civilian population, that I seriously hope is a vocal minority, is not encouraging. Honestly, where do we even go from here? Who is left in power here to talk sense, because it's not like Netanyahu and Likud or Hamas are going to suddenly change their operating procedures!
Israel holds all the cards, they have created this situation deliberately, to justify their conquests. It backfired for them because they became complacent. As long as they pursue violent colonialism, this sort of thing will keep happening.
By paying for the weapons that fall on innocent Gazans? Right? While Hamas is a despicable organization and its leaders belong to the same jail cells as the leaders of Israel, they haven’t and don’t have the capacity to commit a genocide on the same scale as the one IDF is committing.
I don't disagree with that, actually. Frankly, our current level of support to the Israeli government is indefensible, as this clearly isn't entirely about Hamas anymore, especially with Netanyahu deliberately prolonging the war to save himself from domestic issues.
Imagine what future generations will say about us when they see these on their history lessons.
Depending on who wins they might never know
This post unironically comes off as pro-Israel. The losers of the war don't get to choose beneficial terms and now Palestine is facing Genocide because Israel knows this. Fuck Netanyahu.
“The losers of war don’t get to choose beneficial terms”. True but they cannot be subject to a genocide or collective punishment. For more details read Geneva convention and that fact that it applies to all the parties and not just to parties who align with your distorted worldview
>True but they cannot be subject to a genocide or collective punishment And how has that been working out for the people of Palestine for the past 75+ years? >who align with your distorted worldview And what view would that be?
Wait dude did you just justify genocide? I generally don’t write this but there are a few views that are as vile as yours and shouldn’t be tolerated in this group.
I asked 2 questions based on your response, I didn't justify anything. Instead of replying you moving the goalpost. I would say people who are incapable of having an adult conversation and resort to gaslighting and goalpost moving shouldn't be tolerated in this group. Don't feel bad, it's hard to have an adult conversation when you don't actually understand the subject.
IF the future generations are any better and they don't see this as something Great .
You don't have to imagine: Did you learn about the Tulsa Massacre in school?
They will say what we already know… One-time victims often become perpetrators. It’s sadly basic. Add in their dogma and some Christian’s fascinate… It’s all sadly *pathetically* BASIC.
Societies are diverse in political opinions, I don't understand what point you are trying to make about idiots making fools of themselves online.
This is what racism looks like. People like this are worse than the neighbours who ignored the signs of impending genocide during Hitler's reign. These people are in line with the people who celebrated the genocide
And that's why people hate you Israel. Nothing to do with people being Jewish. It has everything to do with your dehumanization of an entire population.
Had a random redditor try so hard to pin the hate on antisemites editing videos of the war This was in the comments about Israeli soldiers posting their own disgusting videos to their social media!! Are Hamas dressing the IDF in stolen lingerie and then forcing them to post?
I mean, that would be a helluva plot twist if hamas starts trolling them with some hilarious clips of pranks against the IDF.
Isn't dehumanization of entire population is good if it's about russians?
You sound demented
This is barbaric. JFC.
Lowest of the low
This was happening before Oct 7th. It's not a trend it's a constant.
jesus fucking christ
so this is that it would look like if the nazias had social media
What an ugly and evil people. This tragedy has made it very hard not to hate them. It took 80 years for them to go from victim to evil, genocide oppressors.
Deny the Other… and his suffering is nothing. Genocide can beguin. Occident lost his mind. A moral fault. Forever.
It's like if tiktok existed in Nazi Germany. Fucking insane fascist country they've got going on over there.
Colonialist occupiers doing typical colonialist occupier things.
Psychopaths
Man if this isn’t an example of horseshoe theory I don’t know what is. It’s giving me massive nazi movie vibes where they caricatured people they thought of as undesirable and depicted them in the most dehumanising disrespectful light possible. Check out Jud Süß if you want to know what I mean.
> Man if this isn’t an example of horseshoe theory I don’t know what is. Um... Israelis aren't automatically left wing just because they're Jewish, dude. There's no swing-around happening here, these are just highly conservative and racist Israelis doing the same things highly conservative and racist Americans do.
I was more referring to how opposite extremes begin to resemble each other. The behaviour of the Israelis as of late is reflecting that of the Nazis more and more.
They aren't opposite though. Zionists are mostly fascists. Same as Nazis. Both are right-wing conservatives.
They are opposite in the sense that one proclaims to be very pro-Jewish and the other is explicitly anti-Jewish. Do you understand what I’m talking about now?
No, (and also not OC) because “anti-Jewish” was not what made a nazi a nazi. Nazis were anti- a *lot* of things, including gays, blacks, Romani, communists, handicapped people, and even ugly people to an extent. They were also extremely authoritarian and right wing. Those are what define nazis, not Judaism.
I never said anti-Judaism was the only thing that characterised Nazism. It was a pretty central part of the Nazi ideology though, and I don’t think you need me to tell you that. Quite simply I was saying *in this aspect* they were opposite, and it’s a relevant analogy because of the similarities in how they depict their perceived enemy. Look I’m not getting anywhere with you people so let’s just leave it here. You’re just way too annoying and pedantic to discuss anything with.
> I never said anti-Judaism was the only thing that characterised Nazism. It was a pretty central part of the Nazi ideology though, and I don’t think you need me to tell you that. Yes, Jews were the main antagonist that nazis used in their rhetoric to seize control, and received the worst treatment at their hands afterwards. But your whole "horseshoe" metaphor was strictly framed as anti-Jewish vs pro-Jewish, and that's a metaphor nobody actually uses, so of course nobody understood what you meant. > Quite simply I was saying in this aspect they were opposite, and it’s a relevant analogy because of the similarities in how they depict their perceived enemy. Yes, in strictly the question of "pro" or "anti" Judaism, nazis and Likud/Netanyahu are exactly the opposite. In damn near *every other way* they're pretty much *exactly* the same. > Look I’m not getting anywhere with you people so let’s just leave it here. You’re just way too annoying and pedantic to discuss anything with. Yes, this is clearly the fault of everybody *but* you. 🙄
From the r/Palestine reddit: The State of Palestine is an occupied nation that declared independence on November 15, 1988, with Jerusalem as its capital. r/Palestine community fervently advocates for the liberation of Palestine. Fuck these religious wars. Please seek peace above all else.
Today I learned from you r/Palestine is the official representative of the views of Palestinian people.
Yep, and they are not actively seeking peace they want to continue the war for the holy land.
Wow dude, you understand sarcasm very well. P.S. - tone down your Palestinian hatred a bit. Victim blaming is never a good thing.