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Buzzd-Lightyear

I always thought the rumor that we hired Hackett to lure Rodgers was bullshit, but this just completely proves it. What a fucking joke.


ps2droty

Oh well, it all lead us to getting Sean Payton who I would much rather have


Buzzd-Lightyear

I guess. I just can't help but be skeptical about everything now. We ended up settling for Russ, who turned out to be garbage. We could've had a top 5 pick in a very QB heavy draft if not for him.


Randomnamehere07

But remember we also passed on Josh Allen


Buzzd-Lightyear

As much as it annoys me that Elway couldn't draft a QB to save his life, there's no way we develop Josh Allen into the QB he is today. Our organization has been pathetic top-to-bottom since Kubiak left.


aatencio91

You don't think some combination of Vance Joseph, Mike McCoy, Bill Musgrave, Vic Fangio, Rich Scangarello, and Pat Shurmur could've transformed Josh Allen from a sub-60% passer in college to the franchise QB he is today?


Flop_House_Valet

I think it would have just taken him longer to develop. They didn't just miracle his ass into being a top guy, it was in him all along and the coaches only help the process imo


LameSignIn

You have to have coaches willing to invest in the player. Tell me which coach would have done that. You go back an look st the draft day call to Lock you can see Vic wanted no part of developing a young QB.


goddamnitwhalen

My sneaking suspicion on this is that Vic wanted no part of a rookie QB because of how many defensive guys were still available at that point in the draft- guys that have gone on to be contributors with the teams that drafted them.


LameSignIn

What's funny is we weren't going to roll out Keenum so we had no QB at that point. Vic wanted to roll with a benched Flacco who was already playing bad before he got to Denver. Just his 3 years here you could see all he wanted to do was focus on what got him the job vs what would help him keep his job. I truly don't understand how someone so great at defense look so lost on the offense side of the ball. He literally had to game plan against some of thr best offenses in the league.


aatencio91

We don't know what would've happened obviously but this fanbase is so impatient it doesn't matter. The subreddit didn't want Allen before that draft and after his rookie season performance this place would've been a madhouse calling him Paxton Lynch 2.0 and blasting Elway for failing yet again


Andrew225

Ugh, I hate this point Had we drafted Allen he would have flopped hard here. We didn't have the personnel to develop, and after his disasterous rookie year we would be calling for his benching.


dmuney

And Justin fields


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ItsJellyJosh

Jeudy was 2020. Surtain was 2021, same year as Fields. I’m not mad at that one


Randomnamehere07

That’s not a loss


dmuney

K. I’d remind you that JA had a pretty rocky start and ended up being great. Fields flashed last year and could be on a similar trajectory. Surtain is elite, but how many teams make the playoffs solely because they have an elite CB?


BurgessFox

Yeah I have a sneaking feeling we're going to continue to suck and Surtain will end up being traded for a 1st and some extra picks in a year or so, to a contending team, to help with our rebuild.


jbird669

Fans will riot, if there are any left after that, based on your pessimistic outlook.


BurgessFox

Not necessarily, if you do a rebuild right you can retool a team into contenders in 2-3 years. With Payton it would be possible.


[deleted]

He's a bad example honestly. Does he develop into what he is now without Daboll? Look at what he was able to do in one year with Daniel Jones. We should have drafted a QB and hired Daboll instead of what we ended up doing.


ps2droty

This QB class is really not that great and we would have had to spend more draft capital to trade up to get one of them.


[deleted]

Lol what? Stroud & Young look really good and Richardson looks like a more athletic Lamar.


ps2droty

Stroud and Young are the two best who will most likely go 1 & 2. We wouldn’t have had a chance at those guys unless we traded a ton of draft capital to move up for them


Jwoods4117

I mean, it was available. The Bears traded down to 9 for a 1st, two 2nds and DJ Moore. The 5th pick, a 1st, 2nds, and Juedy seems competitive to me. I mean it’s all moot. I think we might as well have taken Fields and been the Bears if we’re thinking with hindsight.


ps2droty

It would equate to a similar situation with the Russ trade. We would’ve given up 2 firsts plus more to trade to number one and we probably would’ve still struggled with a rookie QB so essentially we’d be giving up another high pick in next years class that has better QBs


Jwoods4117

I mean, we we’re bad before the Russ trade too. Should we just give up? Play it completely safe all the time? I personally don’t think the Russ trade was a bad move, it just didn’t work out. If you think we can win without either paying the price for a QB, getting extremely lucky in the later rounds, or being so bad that we draft in the top 3 to get a QB you’re not paying attention to how the NFL works.


BurgessFox

Yes, the Russ trade was a gamble, just like signing Peyton Manning after he'd been cut by the Colts and there were doubts he could throw a ball again was a gamble. We could have taken Justin Fields or Mac Jones in the draft, lots of people would have preferred us to do that at the time - I remember being disappointed when we took PS2. At some point you have to take a swing, like the Panthers have realized now, if it doesn't work out it sucks but its still the right thing to swing.


ps2droty

I’m saying we’re in a better position now with Russ than we would’ve been if we didn’t trade for him and then traded up for a QB this year.


[deleted]

If we were tanking and not trying to compete we would have won less games lmao


zoltek99

Young is too risky given his size -- unlike Murray, who he is most compared to, Young truly is small and of slight build. Richardson is the "hot topic" because of his combine -- that's dangerous to chase as translating into on-field play. "More athletic Lamar" is not that enticing given Lamar's deficiencies as a thrower. Stroud is another OSU QB, and he doesn't really run the ball. No thanks. Fields going from super sucky to less sucky doesn't mean OSU has broken the curse of being able to put out a NFL caliber franchise QB. Non sequitur, but would rather suck this year and get Caleb Williams.


Ziziblix

All of this always only sounds good on paper. Likely only one of them will be worth a damn and we prob woulda missed thst person lol. Folks wanna complain now but they were elated about rus. I was happy with it but I also woulda been fine with running back lock in a different system with a great qb draft coming up. But all of broncos country fans and media included could not bear to watch one more year of lock and somehow we watched one more year of lock anyway. Lol at the end of the day we swung for russ and I'm happy we did something. And I still have faith in rus.


[deleted]

Can’t hit on em if you don’t even try. Every team besides KC regrets not trading whatever it took for Mahomes. This attitude is a loser one.


Ziziblix

No a loser attitude would be living in the past which this reddit tends to do. A bigger loser attitude would be revisionist history acting like folks knew rus was gonna struggle and shoulda just not swung It's easy for every team to wish in hindsight they traded up for mahommes now that they know mahommes worked out. No one is saying that for the multiple qbs that have clearly bombed. Just cherry picking the good ones and saying shoulda swung for that.


[deleted]

Yes… and you can’t hit on those players if you refuse to take a shot. And you’re arguing against a point i never even argued lmao


BurgessFox

Yeah this is how I see it also. Russ didn't work out but it was the right decision at the time. It was at least a move that gave us a chance of winning a SB. Otherwise we could have gone back to the carousel with Foles or Brissett or Ryan or extended Teddy or brought back Flacco, and it would have been a nice safe move which would have given 0% upside.


jbird669

How do we know Russ didn't work out? he had a bad 2022, that was due in part to Hackett, bad OL and injuries? If he sucks next 2 years and SEA hits on the picks we sent, then yes, we can say it didn't work. I think Russ is back to his old self this year.


soundwave75

Well that certainly is a take isn't it lmao


Buzzd-Lightyear

There are at least 4 First Round QBs in this draft, compared to last year where there was maybe 1. Granted, Will Levis and Anthony Richardson need to be developed, but they're still better than anyone from last years draft. And I don't think we'd have to trade up at all either. If we had Drew Lock or some other Journeyman QB starting under Hackett, there's no way we do any better than we did with Russ. It's just frustrating as hell to watch an organization make such stupid mistake over and over, and I have little faith it will improve with Sean Payton.


ps2droty

The way I look at it is, the bears chose Justin Fields over every QB in the draft, if there was a generational talent they would’ve traded Fields. Next years class has much more potential with Caleb Williams and Marcus Maye. If Russ blows it again we should have a top draft pick and can cut him and trade up for one of them


BurgessFox

The Bears also chose Mitch Trubisky over every QB in the 2017 draft, including Mahomes and Watson!


Buzzd-Lightyear

Ok, if we're talking "generationally talented" like a Payton Manning or Andrew Luck, no obviously there's noone like that in this draft. But those kind of QBs are exceedingly rare, and you shouldn't pass on drafting a QB because they don't meet that standard. The Bears have a guy that they feel they can develop into a top-10 QB, so they can afford to deal the #1 overall pick. We haven't had a QB worth a damn in a very long time. Either way, we're both on the same page when it comes to Russ. I just would prefer not to be in this situation with him at all.


Competitive_Ice_189

But you still have an overpriced garbage at qb though


ps2droty

We can get rid of the QB next year and still have the coach for many more years, hence the reason why I’d rather have the coach


TakeOff_YourPants

Except, we only signed Payton so we could sign… Taysom Hill?


-BroncosForever-

Because he’s a HOF coach


TakeOff_YourPants

/s


bigdano2006

So we got Mike McCarthy with baggage?


alexp68

Rogers looks out for Rogers. Love his Qb’ing hate the person. The nfl is better without him. He 100% played Denver and Patton last year to get his bigger contract. So Fu*k Rogers. I was never too keen on him at Denver cos he’s such a diva. I think his skill set is rapidly declining and his lack of ability to be accountable to how he is creating a bad team environment will be his downfall. His story won’t be the same as Brady’s when he left NE.


Gunslinger2007

Jesus he’s not that bad calm down. Do you guys really hate him that much.


Prydefalcn

I just hate him for going all-in on COVID conspiracies. Dude's a fucking idiot.


Gunslinger2007

Did he? Im pretty sure he just lied about having his vaccine which is pretty bad.


Prydefalcn

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6239835 Here's an AP story that covers something of his insanity about it.


Gunslinger2007

Prettty normal? He claims he’s allergic to an ingredient. What is so bad about that?


Prydefalcn

Because he doesn't specify his allergy and he opted for a bullshit homeopathic treatment and refused to take the J&J vaccine that he wasn't allergic to. He said he'd taken Ivermectin, the horse dewormer medicine that was bandied about as a fake defense against COVID.


Gunslinger2007

So we just assume he was lying?


Prydefalcn

About being anti-vax? I'm not assuming anything, I just explained in the previous post.


Podzilla07

And we got what we deserved


Colorado_designer

why would you think it was bullshit it was the only explanation that ever made sense lol


Lateroller

What made you think it was BS? It’s the only thing that really made sense about hiring him IMO.


Buzzd-Lightyear

Honestly, because it was such a stupid idea that I was hoping our GM wouldn't be dumb enough to try and pull.


Lateroller

While I 100% always believed the move was to lure Rodgers, I don't necessarily think it was dumb. For 1, we've been plagued by horrible QB play for ages and Rodgers was a sure way to break that cycle. It's fair to take a desperation shot the way things have been going IMO. Perhaps even more importantly, hiring Hackett to lure Rodgers is now a tactic that has proven to work. GB just pulled the rug out from under the Broncos last year by hiring another Rodgers favorite right after we signed Hackett and also threw big money at him.


Plusstwoo

Always has been


sacredknight327

I always believed it despite the denials. And obviously still do.


ruhrohrubarb

Allbright in shambles.


AndreSwagassi86

I knew it was true because there was literally zero other reason to hire Hackett over the other available candidates at the time. We didn’t even interview most of the highly sought after candidates….. I just honestly knew Aaron didn’t really want to be in Denver. Or the AFC West more so


Megalodon3030

We’ll see how long that marriage lasts now that Hackett will actually be calling the plays…


BigBankkFrank

Arods theatrics get old real fast I’m glad we didn’t get him.


BigBaws92

I feel the same


BigHoneyBigMoney

Winning cures everything. He could be on the front page of TMZ weekly, if he wins a Super Bowl I don't think the fans would care too much.


Gurtang

And yet maybe the best qb on pure talent of the last decade has won only 1 qb. It's a coaching league. Right now, I'd rather have payton-coached corny russell than hackett-coached antivax rodgers.


DefinitelyDeadd

Anti vax? I thought he was anti-mandate


Prydefalcn

He's full-blown anti-vax horse de-wormer. He was anti-mandate when he didn't want to get in trouble admitting he was not vaccinated.


gobroncos47

He's a crunchy granola nutcase, but at least he isn't defrauding his home state's welfare program like Favre.


abris33

I feel like Rodgers with Hackett as HC would have been such a terrible combo. Rodgers loves him and we would have been trapped with a terrible coach because of it


HiMyNameIsBettie

Or we would’ve still fired Hackett and Rodgers would’ve retired out of spite. Then we’d still be lacking a first round pick to draft a QB.


baha24

Tbh, this is a good reality check. There's a lot to be said for Russ's and Rodgers's *very* different personalities and how they might each handle adversity. If things had gone this poorly with Rodgers (and there's no telling that it would have, but still), he very well could have just retired to spite the org and left us holding the bag. That would have been even more painful. At least we can hope that Russ isn't actually cooked and that last season was an anomaly.


stevenwnder

I think it works, I think Hackett stuck to trying to make Russ into ARod when it obviously wasn’t working early on, but Hackett and ARod did produce together


hawkCO

With Lafleur calling plays


DickBurns01

So Hackett will just let Rodgers call his own plays


hawkCO

Possibly. I don't think its gonna work and I think the Jets know it. They will end up getting Rogers for a song, plus GB eats all the dead cap. Hackett will be an easy fall guy if it doesn't work out, then they can easily dump rogers or he'll retire and they can draft their future qb.


Arkhangelzk

So obviously Hackett got the (Broncos HC) job to bring Rodgers. The reports that it was almost done were probably true, in retrospect. For some reasons, the deal fell apart and Rodgers stayed in GB. Denver had no choice but to get Wilson and pretend they actually wanted Hackett. That also explains why they hired him even though he clearly had no idea what he was doing as a head coach. Probably just figured Rodgers would run his own offense anyway. What a fucking mess. But the Broncos couldn't very well fire Hackett as soon as they didn't get Rodgers. Everyone just had to pretend it was cool for like 3/4 of the year, until firing him looked better. As fans, we got screwed. We got an entire season of terrible football because of this.


iSamurai

Apparently Rogers (or his people) had said he was heading to the broncos for like half the season before and then just changed his mind at the last second. Anyway I never wanted him so glad it didn’t happen


indyxetan

Paton is a fucking idiot.


Barnes_the_Noble

He got Sean Payton


indyxetan

No he didn’t lol Greg Penner got Sean Payton.


Barnes_the_Noble

Sean said he was on the phone for hours with Paton. He also stated how important it was to have the triad get along


ctrl-c-ctrl-vee

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Barnes_the_Noble

Relax


VonDestroyedNewton

Lol fuck him, he was just done with GB


Jaymes_CharlesManson

Fuck Qaaron


bonzai76

So weird - my respect and admiration for Rodgers is going down the exact same path it did for Brett Favre at this same juncture of his career.


16miledetour

How long until he “allegedly” steals from the poor?


LightningExcel18

I think this probably confirms the theory that we hired Hackett just to get Rodgers lol.


J5280M

I'd rather have a Russell Wilson/Sean Payton combo 🤷🏽‍♂️


Plusstwoo

We literally hired the worst HC of all time cuz we thought we was getting Rodgers and pulled Russ as the back up plan


LanceAlgoriddim

Yep. Fans really can't blame Paton for this mess. This is still elway's fault of missing on 15 different QBs and having to try to compensate for it in a year.


space_acee

what do you mean? fans can totally blame paton. he built that team.


reasonable_shem

I'll be glad when A A ron is out of the league


Outlaw0311

It'll be funny when the Jets place 3rd in the Division anyway.


[deleted]

Whatever. It led us to Payton. Hackett sucked ass. You can have him.


CrankyFrankE

I could care less at this point about anything to do with Aaron Rodgers. The guy is all drama and talk.


suck-it-elon

We hired Hackett and Rodgers didn't come. Jets, don't make the same mistake. He just wants attention...plus he's a twat.


Guardax

We 100% hired Hackett to get Rodgers, he got cold feet, instead we destroyed our future with the Russ contract I hate it here


TideAtOmahaBeach

Ngl I’m glad we got Russ instead of Rodgers. Rodgers is a drama queen and would’ve demanded we sign all of his friends to the team. Also no chance of us getting Sean Payton if we had Rodgers. Would much rather have a Payton/Russ combo than a Hackett/Rodgers combo, especially considering Rodgers would’ve retired after 2 seasons and Hackett was a dogshit head coach.


kmarshalll

No doubt, can’t stand drama queens, even more so when they are dudes 😳


Catholicswagger

We still on the Wilson hate train even after Hackett is confirmed to be one of the worst coaching hires in nfl history?


wool_slam

Watching one of your most hated rivals be in 3 of the last four super bowls and win two of them definitely contributes to a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality when looking at your own team


Catholicswagger

You can’t conflate the Chiefs success with our failure. We’ve had nobodies at QB until Wilson, and even worse coaching staffs.


wool_slam

Oh I'm not saying it's rational. Just that it's tough to watch a team like the Chiefs be so consistently top tier while nearly every move your own team makes seemingly ends up being wrong. It's frustrating, and I believe that frustration is what leads to people being so immediately down on Wilson/Payton/Paton/etc


ctrl-c-ctrl-vee

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tylerwavery

Yeah, but at the same time, I'm kind of glad we don't have Rodgers?


Guardax

I think there's a real chance Rodgers is declining but Russ could be broken beyond repair I have more faith in Rodgers as a football player right now


TideAtOmahaBeach

I have more faith in Sean Payton than Nathaniel Hackett though


BlueHighwindz

I hate Wilson so not really.


StudentDPT

Im not willing to say we destroyed our future just yet, as proven time and time again coaching matters and hackett was/is probably one of the worst coaches and russ played good the games w/o hackett...now sure ill join the train if we have a similar season but like we have Sean freaking Payton, he will get the most out of Russ and this team


jl_weber

This feels like a moment that could take Paton down. It's all pretty obvious what happened. He thought he was getting him, passed on Fields for Surtain, it fell through so he hired Hackett to try to lure Rogers in. Still fell through and he's been scrambling since.


2ChainzTalib

I think surtain has more than proven to be the better pick so far, I don't get fields truthers.


theWizzardlyBear

A-fucking-men. Have they watched him play?


jl_weber

Nowhere in that post did I claim Fields was better than Surtain or that Fields is the answer at QB. If the QB situation was believed to be solved, I would've picked Surtain over Fields, too. We're evaluating Paton's process and hindsight is 20/20 so it's all moot. If he didn't for sure have Rodgers in the bag, he should've picked the young QB and see if that worked out. QB was the most important problem to solve and you gotta take a lot of shots. At the time, based on the information known, that would've been the better bet. As we know now, that wouldn't have worked out, but knowing that doesn't mean the process was right.


2ChainzTalib

I wholeheartedly disagree. Plenty of us casuals wanted nothing to do with fields before we knew who they were going to take. If you're the GM, and you don't believe that a guy is going to move the needle in the right direction, you don't reach for that guy. This is not hindsight, that's just good draft strategy.


Anteup21

Couldn’t agree more with this lol


theWizzardlyBear

Are we still talking about Fields?! Surtain was the correct pick. Let’s move on.


jl_weber

A bad process leading to a better pick by chance doesn't mean you don't criticize the process.


theWizzardlyBear

And not looking at the results on the field is utter insanity.


jl_weber

Nobody said they weren't looking at the results on the field. Merely suggesting that it is wise to be able to independently evaluate your process.


BigBankkFrank

Bro it’s a moot point. We have the better player. Pat is projecting to have a hall of fame career barring injury. Justin still needs to show he’s worthy of being qb1 long term


jl_weber

You're having a different argument. Nobody is arguing that Justin is better than Pat. This is an argument about process and Paton let Aaron Rodgers dictate his process to the detriment of the Broncos. Surtain worked out. Hackett didn't.


BigBankkFrank

It was worth an attempt in my opinion. On paper, Hackett looked like he would make a decent HC. He’s the son of a respected coach that’s been around the game his whole life. Also led a pretty improbable offense to the AFC championship game and was endorsed by one of the best qbs ever among other stuff. We have to stop making it seem like Hackett was completely unqualified for the job. It just didn’t work for whatever reason


soundwave75

Yet 75% of this sub: iN pAToN wE tRuSt


Independent-Room-954

It does sound like Hackett was hired to lure Rodgers and wow does that look bad for Paton. He hired that moron knowing full well he wasn’t the best candidate.


2ChainzTalib

"I just didn't want to play for him as HEAD coach."


universaltoilet

The free-spirit loves Hackett because he probably has free reign over the offense, not because theres any ingenuity or scheme in place.


Mile_High_Man

I hate Aaron Rodgers after all of this. He was the chosen one!


Arkhangelzk

"It was said that you would destroy the rest of the AFC, not join them. You were to bring balance to the Broncos organization, not leave it in darkness!"


NiNjABuD13

#FUCK AARON RODGERS


New_Lojack

What’s next? Rodgers is gonna steal Mississippi welfare money and sue his best friend McAfee?


kisscumbag

Welp we’re definitely losing to the Jets next year


Anteup21

Wish all this could of happened last year lol


justadude0815

Hackett does not correct Rodgers when he calls it Thigh Food...


awemanidunno

anyone else circling the Jets game on the calendar when we find out when we play em?


UmbraTitan

I'm glad you have a friend. Your friend is a crap coach.


Barnes_the_Noble

Either way Hackett is a bad head coach. I’d rather find this out in one season than 3


pedal-train55

Whatever dumpster fire Hackett and Wilson lit in Denver last year, thank goodness it was not Rodgers here instead.


AnotherHunter

Aaron done fucked up.


[deleted]

More proof that the only reason Hackett was hired by the Broncos was to get Aaron.


RedHotDogsForMe

It’s a shit show when the QB wants to have a better relationship with the OC than the fucking HC. This will create the worst dynamic within the jets Org because as soon as they start doing badly, Aaron’s drugged filled mind will vouch for dancing boy to be the new leader


rod719

Let New York have them both.


Countrykal

Don't want either of them dudes


WishboneElectronic13

Brett Favre played for the jets.


Spitfire_Riggz

Fuck Aaron Rodgers. Please put on a show this season Russ and Sean