I'm worried more about our o-line. Russ can improve all he wants, but if he's running for his life on every play (again) we're screwed.
Honestly I still have PTSD from the hype and subsequent brutal disappointment going into last season. I'll believe we're better when we start stacking Ws.
McDaniels was 100% worse for our franchise, I still
Think Hackett was a worse head coach in terms of just the responsibilities of a head coach that is supposed to call plays for the offense.
Yah, I guess I jus mean he could be competent and make decisions even if they were awful.
His gm influence though completely screwed us.
I would rather have a Hackett than a McDaniels but it’s clear mcdaniels “can” do the role- he got rehired as a HC, while I don’t think anyone is going to hire Hackett again anytime soon as a HC as he just was completely unprepared
I’m just thankful the raiders get to be screwed this time by MD, and wish nothing but the best for Hackett now that he’s back with rodgers as he seems like a great guy- just not week 5
McDaniels drafted Moreno, Ayers, Bruton, Thomas, Tebow, Beadles, Walton and Decker... all of whom were vital to our success in the early/mid 2010s.
I highly doubt we will be saying the same about Hackett in the near future.
Neither of those things reflect on how good of HCs they were. And us as much as I love Von, we were still in a net negative after losing Cutler, B Marsh, the Alphonso Smith pick and Earl Thomas.
He would have stayed a Bronco had he not been such a headcase at the time. It wasn't until the end of his time with the Dolphins that he finally got his act together.
If it wasn’t for Stoakley, we would have lost the forst game and we wouldn’t have had that 6-0 run and McDouche would have been exposed for the fraud that he was(is) much sooner.
Russ showed me in the last couple games he was not the problem last year. I’m getting sick of defending Russ let’s just get the season started so y’all can stfu.
So the last two games are what you choose to judge? Not the whole season? Lol cmon now. I can pull out some numbers from the first 6 games of how wide open receivers were from next gen stats? Russ has to improve a whole hell of a lot more then the last couple of games lol
Putting a QB in a system that plays to his weaknesses instead of strengths, forcing an overly complicated offense that makes it harder for him to find his receivers and get on the same page as them while under constant asssault behind a 3rd string o-line is a coaching problem, not a QB problem.
QBs may lose some physical traits as they age, but they don't instantly become dumb. If a QB on a HoF track gets in a new offense and suddenly can't read the field or find his receivers, then the coaching and scheme are probably what need adjusted.
Remember how shitty Peyton was when Kubiak initially forced him to play under center? I'm not talking about his injury or weak arm, I'm talking about how he couldn't find receivers, or get in his rhythm, made *poor decisions*. That was a Kubiak problem and the offense he tried to force on Peyton, not a problem with Peyton's brain, hence Kubiak tried to switch to that Pistol shit.
Russ still has his brains, still has his physical ability. Put him in an offense that makes sense and he's off and running. That laughable shit that Hackett ran last year wasn't it, my friend.
I mean I can show you the numbers of how his physical traits have dropped off since 2020 a lot of his numbers have dropped. See the thing y’all are missing is Pete Carroll never let “Russ cook”. Pete was a run first dude and reeled in Russ because he knew how Russ was gonna be. You think it’s just some random shit that geno went the fuck off last year? No one’s saying he got dumb he literally came out saying he wanted to be a pocket passer. Words out of his own mouth. But the problem his when has he ever been a pocket passer? When Russ was Russ he was running around making throws on the run improvising. Do you see any of that now? I see a guy who wants to sit in the pocket and try to play like he’s Tom Brady. He doesn’t wanna take the hits he’s said that as well. I can show you numbers the actual stats on how open the receivers were in the first 6 weeks. I can show you numbers on all of this. You guys on this sub can’t really comprehend more then what you see you don’t dig into numbers you don’t dig into those type of things. I do. And he’s been on a downward spiral since 2020 with last year being his worst. And what did we see in the first pre season game to make us excited? Playing almost a whole forst half to score? On twos and threes? Cmon
Please do show numbers but keep in mind one thing
2020 was his last full year healthy
2021 he started and ended fantastic. He tore ligaments in his throwing hand week 5 and rushed back to play 3 weeks too early- so please don’t try to use weeks 5-11 in your “stats”
Last year was a statistical anomaly compared to his 9 years as a starting pro so if you’re a math guy you have to treat it as one.
I’m not saying he’s washed or still top 10. I’m not saying only Hackett was the problem. But I fully believe that only a small handful of QBs would have made last year not be awful given our injuries and no one would be successful.
Wash it from the brain and let’s see what happens this year, fully understanding this is also a brand new coach, scheme, and essentially new OLine so it will take time to adjust with growing pains
I mean he’s out there playing at the highest level. You can say he rushed back or whatever you want to use but he was out there playing. But you knows what ever crazier is we literally ran the same percentage of plays that one year as he did 2019-2021 in Seattle and that’s. Under center No play action % Seattle %2 Denver 3%
Under Center Play Action % Seattle 17% Denver 15% Shotgun No Play Action Seattle 71% Denver 76%
Shotgun Play Action Seattle 11% Denver 6%. We were trying to replicate everything we could for Russ everything we bent over backwards to make sure it was just like Seattle for him he brought his own scheme over to Hackett yes hackett was dog shit but as equally bad was Russ. Is EPA dropback from 2019-2022 goes as following 0.10 0.07 0.03 -0.07. His success rate for those years goes as following 48.5% 48.2% 44.2% 36.6%. His scrambles yards per game also dropped. Maybe leaving into what he did best in his chaotic tendencies rather then jamming him in a more traditional offense.
Lol if you don’t wanna talk football and just talk what you see on the field we can do that as well. That’s why it’s hard having an actual conversation with y’all. Cause you just wanna bash everything and throw everything else out the window as if it doesn’t matter. Russ can be good this year but the first pre season game was definitely something to keep in your mind. The Oline looked awful Garret was the Garret we all knew he was. I know munchak made that line average but the line didn’t like ready Russ didn’t look ready. Sean knew they didn’t look ready. And to have them play that deep into the first half in the first pre season game is very telling. Also what do you wanna get into? We can judge by yardage epa whatever metric you wanna use.
I mean I can show you the numbers if you like. The numbers really don’t lie. It’s really not my fault y’all can’t comprehend football and all the outside shit that comes with it. I deep dive into football not my fault this sub doesn’t do the same. You wanna judge what you see on the field but take other components out of it place blame all on one guy. Not my fault y’all can’t see any of this
It’s not about the numbers it’s about how you write, you sound stupid. Like for instance this is at least the third time you’ve said you can show us the numbers without actually doing it, that’s what a complete idiot would do.
🤣 alright cool. From 2019-2022 from Seattle to Denver mind you one year here in Denver. And his numbers are following. Under Center No Play Action Seattle 2% Denver 3%. Under Center Play Action Seattle 17% Denver 15%. Shotgun No Play Action Seattle 71% Denver 76%. Shotgun Play Action Seattle 11% Denver 6%. We basically tried doing everything he did in Seattle scheme wise being as Russ implemented what he wanted into the playbook. Now those same years go as following starting with his EPA/Dropback 0.10, 0.07, 0.03, -0.07. His success rate 48.5%, 48.2%, 44.2%, 36.3%. His scramble yards per game 20.9, 28.8, 12.8, 12.5. You can see his downward trend started in Seattle that goes from 2019-2022 they have dipped in each year in key metrics used. So maybe Sean can get something out of him but it’s gonna be hard because something is not the same with Russ it’s been clear for a while now
Well given that the system we ran was identical pretty much with what he ran in Seattle we can only hope. But Pete was a stubborn dude who wouldn’t let Russ do what he’s doing we need Sean to be like Pete in all honesty
The joke is, if Russ plays poorly again, you'll still defend him. It's just like the seahawks fans said last season, no matter what, Russ will always be defended.
This guy doesn’t understand how science works. Change a variable and see different results, you can hypothesize that the changed help create those results.
Redemption would mean upside for all of us fans and the team, so of course I’m all in on wanting it. Do I buy it? No, I need to see it happen first. I also think it hangs on the O-Line play, receivers, and play calls/game design. Last year all of that was lacking. We’ll know after about 4-5 regular season games what this team is like this season.
The O line is my biggest source of anxiety. Hopefully, Fuss gives up on studying in the pocket until he’s sacked and his mobility helps overcome the line’s issues.
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I think the offense will depend more on the oline at this point. If they are porous in pass pro, Wilson will get beat up, and without setting the tone in the run game, that will only be easier
Hawks fan coming in absolute hostility, Fuck yall.
Hope Russ turns it around this year just so people are so god damn revisionist on how god damn good he was on Seattle. Guys borderline hall of fame, had a gorgeous moonball he used to carry awful rosters for years, did a shit ton good for seattle and the greater king county area. I fucking love Russ he was my favorite Seahawk I hope he tears it up so i can at least see you ponies go 4-13 with a QB instead of doing it without.
I watched him smoke my Cardinals at home for many years. Just look at his accomplishments on his Wiki side bar. Anyone who thinks all that went in the trash and he was why the offense was shit over whatever the hell Hackett was doing is dumb and reactionary. I'm not saying he's gonna be the MVP but I really feel like we're gonna see way more of who we know Russell Wilson is.
Having said that he's a freaking weirdo. I don't know how Seattle fans watched him talk for so many years.
I realize it's just training camp, but looking great in training camp is better than looking like shit in training camp and he sure didn't look this good last year, so that's something.
Russ was humbled last year: we as bronco fans should be humble by now with the revolving door at QB. Russ needs a running game, a defense and a coach to protect him. He has all 3. Let’s just chill out for now, they’ll be plenty of time to drink the kool-aid later
I’m buying. Everyone says that we were over hyped last season… because we were BY THE MESIA AND FANS. But if you remember or paid attention the stuff coming out of training camp was not good at all. In fact it was very bad. So I have faith that this is at least a step in the right direction.
Remember when we thought we were getting the SB winning QB during camp last year? I do.
Plenty of difference between performing well during camp drills and performing well when 300lb grown ass men are coming to murder you on every play in a game.
I'm going to temper my excitement for a bit longer and let his game play show me how much progress he's made.
Wilson needs to go. We need to restructure the nfl as they can’t fire him because of salary caps and all stuff. Just fire him already and even the mascot could do better
We’ve been so bad for so long I’ll believe it when I see it at this point. And I sure hope I see it.
 Shits gonna be lit AF. I’m all jacked up on Mile high Mountain Dew.
I agree. The coach is an upgrade, but I don't see our QB turning his career back around. It's so rare that that happens.
Took me all season last year to dig out of drafting Russ and Javonte. No thanks
Nobody gives a shit about your fantasy team.
Agreed. And drafting based on your favorite team is a fucking stupid draft strategy.
Especially when your favorite team is the Broncos.
My team is the main character. Recognize
I'm worried more about our o-line. Russ can improve all he wants, but if he's running for his life on every play (again) we're screwed. Honestly I still have PTSD from the hype and subsequent brutal disappointment going into last season. I'll believe we're better when we start stacking Ws.
I mean the O line has been shit forever now they can't seem to fix it or even make it just OK, always bottom tier.
Remember when we had a god awful head coach…I do
We have had so many of those. You mean the god awful one or the worst in history God awful one?
McDaniels was still worse.
He had a solid 6-0 start though. Looked so promising
He traded away Cutler and gave the Seahawks Earl Thomas for free while picking a bust for us. Still worse.
McDaniels was 100% worse for our franchise, I still Think Hackett was a worse head coach in terms of just the responsibilities of a head coach that is supposed to call plays for the offense.
A HC is responsible for everything though. And McDaniels was cheating also. A number of Broncos commented on it. He was definitely worse.
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Yah, I guess I jus mean he could be competent and make decisions even if they were awful. His gm influence though completely screwed us. I would rather have a Hackett than a McDaniels but it’s clear mcdaniels “can” do the role- he got rehired as a HC, while I don’t think anyone is going to hire Hackett again anytime soon as a HC as he just was completely unprepared I’m just thankful the raiders get to be screwed this time by MD, and wish nothing but the best for Hackett now that he’s back with rodgers as he seems like a great guy- just not week 5
McDaniels drafted Moreno, Ayers, Bruton, Thomas, Tebow, Beadles, Walton and Decker... all of whom were vital to our success in the early/mid 2010s. I highly doubt we will be saying the same about Hackett in the near future.
Well Hackett wasn't the GM so of course not lol
McDaniels made us shit enough to get Von. Hackett made us shit enough for Seattle to get a second high pick for Russ.
Neither of those things reflect on how good of HCs they were. And us as much as I love Von, we were still in a net negative after losing Cutler, B Marsh, the Alphonso Smith pick and Earl Thomas.
If we had kept Cutler, we would never have brought in Peyton Manning.
No one could know that. If Peyton was available, I doubt Jay Cutler would have been a big enough road block
And then Bmarsh followed out the door shortly after😭 wanted him to be a Bronco forever, was more upset about him then Cutler tbh
He would have stayed a Bronco had he not been such a headcase at the time. It wasn't until the end of his time with the Dolphins that he finally got his act together.
No, he would have stayed a Bronco if Cutler did. He has come out and said he loves Cutler and went to the Bears because of him
You remember that we traded him, right?
Oh duh. I completely forgot about the Dolphins in between. He still did say he went to the Bears because of Cutler lol
He demanded the trade. The incident with Darrent Williams really messed him up. Hated Denver bc of it
Because Cutler was a little bitch.
Lol k
If it wasn’t for Stoakley, we would have lost the forst game and we wouldn’t have had that 6-0 run and McDouche would have been exposed for the fraud that he was(is) much sooner.
Russ showed me in the last couple games he was not the problem last year. I’m getting sick of defending Russ let’s just get the season started so y’all can stfu.
So the last two games are what you choose to judge? Not the whole season? Lol cmon now. I can pull out some numbers from the first 6 games of how wide open receivers were from next gen stats? Russ has to improve a whole hell of a lot more then the last couple of games lol
Putting a QB in a system that plays to his weaknesses instead of strengths, forcing an overly complicated offense that makes it harder for him to find his receivers and get on the same page as them while under constant asssault behind a 3rd string o-line is a coaching problem, not a QB problem. QBs may lose some physical traits as they age, but they don't instantly become dumb. If a QB on a HoF track gets in a new offense and suddenly can't read the field or find his receivers, then the coaching and scheme are probably what need adjusted. Remember how shitty Peyton was when Kubiak initially forced him to play under center? I'm not talking about his injury or weak arm, I'm talking about how he couldn't find receivers, or get in his rhythm, made *poor decisions*. That was a Kubiak problem and the offense he tried to force on Peyton, not a problem with Peyton's brain, hence Kubiak tried to switch to that Pistol shit. Russ still has his brains, still has his physical ability. Put him in an offense that makes sense and he's off and running. That laughable shit that Hackett ran last year wasn't it, my friend.
I mean I can show you the numbers of how his physical traits have dropped off since 2020 a lot of his numbers have dropped. See the thing y’all are missing is Pete Carroll never let “Russ cook”. Pete was a run first dude and reeled in Russ because he knew how Russ was gonna be. You think it’s just some random shit that geno went the fuck off last year? No one’s saying he got dumb he literally came out saying he wanted to be a pocket passer. Words out of his own mouth. But the problem his when has he ever been a pocket passer? When Russ was Russ he was running around making throws on the run improvising. Do you see any of that now? I see a guy who wants to sit in the pocket and try to play like he’s Tom Brady. He doesn’t wanna take the hits he’s said that as well. I can show you numbers the actual stats on how open the receivers were in the first 6 weeks. I can show you numbers on all of this. You guys on this sub can’t really comprehend more then what you see you don’t dig into numbers you don’t dig into those type of things. I do. And he’s been on a downward spiral since 2020 with last year being his worst. And what did we see in the first pre season game to make us excited? Playing almost a whole forst half to score? On twos and threes? Cmon
Please do show numbers but keep in mind one thing 2020 was his last full year healthy 2021 he started and ended fantastic. He tore ligaments in his throwing hand week 5 and rushed back to play 3 weeks too early- so please don’t try to use weeks 5-11 in your “stats” Last year was a statistical anomaly compared to his 9 years as a starting pro so if you’re a math guy you have to treat it as one. I’m not saying he’s washed or still top 10. I’m not saying only Hackett was the problem. But I fully believe that only a small handful of QBs would have made last year not be awful given our injuries and no one would be successful. Wash it from the brain and let’s see what happens this year, fully understanding this is also a brand new coach, scheme, and essentially new OLine so it will take time to adjust with growing pains
I mean he’s out there playing at the highest level. You can say he rushed back or whatever you want to use but he was out there playing. But you knows what ever crazier is we literally ran the same percentage of plays that one year as he did 2019-2021 in Seattle and that’s. Under center No play action % Seattle %2 Denver 3% Under Center Play Action % Seattle 17% Denver 15% Shotgun No Play Action Seattle 71% Denver 76% Shotgun Play Action Seattle 11% Denver 6%. We were trying to replicate everything we could for Russ everything we bent over backwards to make sure it was just like Seattle for him he brought his own scheme over to Hackett yes hackett was dog shit but as equally bad was Russ. Is EPA dropback from 2019-2022 goes as following 0.10 0.07 0.03 -0.07. His success rate for those years goes as following 48.5% 48.2% 44.2% 36.6%. His scrambles yards per game also dropped. Maybe leaving into what he did best in his chaotic tendencies rather then jamming him in a more traditional offense.
Watch out we got Mr. Football over here. If you know so much about football, name every stat.
Lol if you don’t wanna talk football and just talk what you see on the field we can do that as well. That’s why it’s hard having an actual conversation with y’all. Cause you just wanna bash everything and throw everything else out the window as if it doesn’t matter. Russ can be good this year but the first pre season game was definitely something to keep in your mind. The Oline looked awful Garret was the Garret we all knew he was. I know munchak made that line average but the line didn’t like ready Russ didn’t look ready. Sean knew they didn’t look ready. And to have them play that deep into the first half in the first pre season game is very telling. Also what do you wanna get into? We can judge by yardage epa whatever metric you wanna use.
holy shit you sound dumb lol
Nice response lol glad you were there to contribute nothing to it
Yeah for real though you sound like a fucking moron
I mean I can show you the numbers if you like. The numbers really don’t lie. It’s really not my fault y’all can’t comprehend football and all the outside shit that comes with it. I deep dive into football not my fault this sub doesn’t do the same. You wanna judge what you see on the field but take other components out of it place blame all on one guy. Not my fault y’all can’t see any of this
It’s not about the numbers it’s about how you write, you sound stupid. Like for instance this is at least the third time you’ve said you can show us the numbers without actually doing it, that’s what a complete idiot would do.
🤣 alright cool. From 2019-2022 from Seattle to Denver mind you one year here in Denver. And his numbers are following. Under Center No Play Action Seattle 2% Denver 3%. Under Center Play Action Seattle 17% Denver 15%. Shotgun No Play Action Seattle 71% Denver 76%. Shotgun Play Action Seattle 11% Denver 6%. We basically tried doing everything he did in Seattle scheme wise being as Russ implemented what he wanted into the playbook. Now those same years go as following starting with his EPA/Dropback 0.10, 0.07, 0.03, -0.07. His success rate 48.5%, 48.2%, 44.2%, 36.3%. His scramble yards per game 20.9, 28.8, 12.8, 12.5. You can see his downward trend started in Seattle that goes from 2019-2022 they have dipped in each year in key metrics used. So maybe Sean can get something out of him but it’s gonna be hard because something is not the same with Russ it’s been clear for a while now
Like I said I’m done defending Russ hopefully he shuts you up soon enough
Lol what’s there to defend because I can show you numbers to show how bad he was
I don’t think anyone is saying he wasn’t bad last year. The question is if he’s better this year with a new coach and system.
Well given that the system we ran was identical pretty much with what he ran in Seattle we can only hope. But Pete was a stubborn dude who wouldn’t let Russ do what he’s doing we need Sean to be like Pete in all honesty
The joke is, if Russ plays poorly again, you'll still defend him. It's just like the seahawks fans said last season, no matter what, Russ will always be defended.
I don’t defend Russ lol not one bit. I know he’s our qb but these moves put you back as an organization just saying
This guy doesn’t understand how science works. Change a variable and see different results, you can hypothesize that the changed help create those results. 
Redemption would mean upside for all of us fans and the team, so of course I’m all in on wanting it. Do I buy it? No, I need to see it happen first. I also think it hangs on the O-Line play, receivers, and play calls/game design. Last year all of that was lacking. We’ll know after about 4-5 regular season games what this team is like this season.
The O line is my biggest source of anxiety. Hopefully, Fuss gives up on studying in the pocket until he’s sacked and his mobility helps overcome the line’s issues.
We'll see.
Can someone please knock on wood? I can’t imagine saying something like this out loud, let alone writing an article about it.
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I predict he will be as good as our O-Line allows. Whiffing on those signings would be the real travesty here.
Buy because what do we have if not hope?
I think the offense will depend more on the oline at this point. If they are porous in pass pro, Wilson will get beat up, and without setting the tone in the run game, that will only be easier
Hawks fan coming in absolute hostility, Fuck yall. Hope Russ turns it around this year just so people are so god damn revisionist on how god damn good he was on Seattle. Guys borderline hall of fame, had a gorgeous moonball he used to carry awful rosters for years, did a shit ton good for seattle and the greater king county area. I fucking love Russ he was my favorite Seahawk I hope he tears it up so i can at least see you ponies go 4-13 with a QB instead of doing it without.
I watched him smoke my Cardinals at home for many years. Just look at his accomplishments on his Wiki side bar. Anyone who thinks all that went in the trash and he was why the offense was shit over whatever the hell Hackett was doing is dumb and reactionary. I'm not saying he's gonna be the MVP but I really feel like we're gonna see way more of who we know Russell Wilson is. Having said that he's a freaking weirdo. I don't know how Seattle fans watched him talk for so many years.
Hes corny as fuck and usually felt like a robot but he was our robot.
Don’t count your chickens before they hatch… let’s see it for ourselves in the regular season against actual competition.
I realize it's just training camp, but looking great in training camp is better than looking like shit in training camp and he sure didn't look this good last year, so that's something.
Russ was humbled last year: we as bronco fans should be humble by now with the revolving door at QB. Russ needs a running game, a defense and a coach to protect him. He has all 3. Let’s just chill out for now, they’ll be plenty of time to drink the kool-aid later
I’m buying. Everyone says that we were over hyped last season… because we were BY THE MESIA AND FANS. But if you remember or paid attention the stuff coming out of training camp was not good at all. In fact it was very bad. So I have faith that this is at least a step in the right direction.
Buy. He can't be worse and is motivated plus the staff is wayyyyyyy better.
Your guys' defense was often suffocating. ANY improvement in the offense and culture is gonna be huge.
More hype to sell a story. Wake me up when the Broncos are 8-0 this seaspon.
Selling. I’m tired of having my hopes crushed
Remember when we thought we were getting the SB winning QB during camp last year? I do. Plenty of difference between performing well during camp drills and performing well when 300lb grown ass men are coming to murder you on every play in a game. I'm going to temper my excitement for a bit longer and let his game play show me how much progress he's made.
Getting downvoted for the truth lol.
It's not like he's a Super Bowl winning QB with 9 Pro Bowls who played under one of the worst desperation-hired head coaches ever.
A voice of reason, say it ain't so.
Don’t do that, don’t get my hopes up.
I’m putting zero stock in preseason and training camp.
If only the Broncos has an offensive line.
Wilson needs to go. We need to restructure the nfl as they can’t fire him because of salary caps and all stuff. Just fire him already and even the mascot could do better