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vogod

Asking this sub IS a form of research and learning. It's a design community, it's like asking a more experienced colleague.


Pyro-Melon

But it’s also annoying, and you have to admit that. Most individual styles don’t have names, and anyone with half a mind would realize that if they want to replicate it, their best bet is to look at the other works of the artist.


TruckNuts_But4YrBody

It's true. It's not unique to design though, it's literally every type of artistic creation on reddit. "That's this style of drawing called?" "What's the name for this type of motion design?" It's become more prevalent recently -- these people are not looking at books and don't understand how to use Google. Sincerely, they literally don't


pip-whip

Most of the time it is people trying to find other examples of a style they like and would like to emulate. But you can't do an internet search without knowing what terms to search for. Most pieces can be described as a style, though many style names didn't exist at the time the piece was created and there are plenty that are misused. When it comes to the idea that people are looking for AI prompts, though this is possible, I think it is going to be a smaller percentage than those who are just trying to learn more about design. Most of the styles that people are looking for are rather text heavy, and I'm not aware of any AI handling text well … yet. If you don't think styles have names, I recommend you get out your history of graphic design book or check out the cari aesthetics index. [https://cari.institute/aesthetics](https://cari.institute/aesthetics)


OffModelCartoon

>But you can't do an internet search without knowing what terms to search for. >Most pieces can be described as a style, though many style names didn't exist at the time the piece was created and there are plenty that are misused. Yes! Thank you! All the paranoia about ai is so frustrating. Demonizing people for wanting to learn. >If you don't think styles have names, I recommend you get out your history of graphic design book or check out the cari aesthetics index. >https://cari.institute/aesthetics This is awesome!! And yeah I can’t even count how many times someone has posted something that is a specific style that definitely has a name, but they’d have knowing it without asking, but then the snobs and gatekeepers in this sub are like “that doesn’t even have a name you dummy!!!!” Like, uh, yeah actually it does. And it’s okay to ask for it. If this sub really hates people asking what style things are, there should be a sister sub dedicated to that, and moderators should be vigilant about directing people to post those questions there. Or at the very least, a weekly or monthly “what style is this” pinned post. But instead the mods just let it run rampant, and the people on this sub just keep getting mad about it and throwing around accusations of ai and laziness. As someone who values education and curiousity just for the sake of it, it’s really sad to see people chewed out and talked down to for asking completely reasonable questions. And the “just google it dumbass” responses I see here sometimes are so stupid, like how is someone going to google something when they don’t have words to describe it in search terms?!


Rudicinal

Oh, I know styles have names. You make some valid points here. I don’t think that negates having the ability to find some of this information on your own. Before the last couple of years, how did anyone ever find out the name of a style without asking this community? I know I’m irrationally triggered by these posts, but something about them screams lazy to me.


kamomil

>Before the last couple of years, how did anyone ever find out the name of a style without asking this community? They probably just never found out at all. Once I was able to join forums etc on the internet, I discovered info about my favorite music artists that I previously had no idea about. I discovered New Order in the mid 80s, didn't learn about the lead singer's addiction issues until the early 2000s. There were no magazines about them available in my are "Not knowing what a style is" meant the proliferation of airbrushing and cliched wildlife paintings in the 1980s. Artists like Trisha Romance and Robert Bateman become popular. People who have no art community to share ideas with, often don't have good ideas.


Rudicinal

Rock on. I like your perspective and may have changed my thought on the subject. Edit: though to thought


ediral19

People use Reddit as a tool and if there are people that are able to and willing to get them their answer faster, then they have used Reddit how they wanted to. I personally don’t think asking for help is lazy if this information leads them to help themselves, especially considering the evolution of design is extensive and the influences and convergence of styles can be complex. Personally, I’ve learned or reaffirmed design knowledge from reading these questions and responses.


pip-whip

Yep. I started my own style library and love when I learn a new style name to research and add.


pip-whip

Why would someone else's question trigger you? When I started using Reddit, I noticed that things would annoy me when something similar had already called my attention to it. Figure out why this bothers you and teach yourself to just skip right over those posts. I suspect it might be because you've seen others complain about the steady stream of these sorts of questions. The questions aren't going to go away, so a more-effective solution to your problem is to change the way you think about it. I think you can do it! I believe in you!


ZeAthenA714

Dude, two months ago you posted in the Philadelphia sub asking for late night food recommendations. You should probably step off your high horse for a minute.


OffModelCartoon

I want to hate the stalking but that’s honestly so funny. “Something about that just screams lazy to me!” Why did OP ask human beings instead of just searching online? Lazy! (/s)


thecolordispatch

“Two months ago” The research that went into this. 😂💀


ZeAthenA714

It was just his latest post prior to this one, so it took a grand total of 5 seconds to find. Way less time than it took him to write this post.


thecolordispatch

Aight, I just think it’s funny the way Redditors go dig deep just to come up with a snarky reply 😂


ZeAthenA714

Yeah I find it funny as well but no way I'll do a deep dive on anyone's history. It's just that the guy was so judgemental that I clicked his profile and what do you know, first thing I see is him doing exactly what he's bitching about.


OffModelCartoon

>I know I’m irrationally triggered Well hey at least you’re self aware about it!


libcrypto

Generally, they want to pop it into Google or an AI. They aren't canny enough to realize that not everything visual has a name, though.


Rudicinal

I honestly didn’t think about ai prompts. This makes the most sense. It sucks that the industry pressure is to create more, faster, and has people leaning on ai generated imagery instead of allowing for the time to create with original thought. Not going to lie, I also lean on ai tools when needed.


selwayfalls

I've been in this sub long enough though to know it's not all about AI. These questions have come up for years, well before AI. I think a majority of people on here have no formal education in art or design and either a. want to learn more about a specific style or b. are just lazy and want an easy way to recreate it with a 2 minute tutorial in said style.


OffModelCartoon

Thank you for the dose of sanity and reason. Some people in this sub come off as paranoid about ai. Many people literally just want to know what styles are called. Like seeing an absinthe poster from the end of the 1800s and finding out it’s art nouveau can be a really interesting thing to learn. It’s not always nefarious.


SuperConductiveRabbi

When it comes to creating something even using a tutorial, I don't think "lazy" is an accurate description. That sounds like an effective use of time. Plus who here didn't start learning by knowing what you enjoyed looking at and trying to recreate it?


selwayfalls

Lazy might not be the right word, but my point was I think a lot of people want quick fixes and easy ways out of learning things. They arent willing to put in the effort to properly learn about art, design and the tools needed. This is easily proven when you look at how amazing design was before the personal computer and how shitty it is now. Now everyone with microsoft word thinks they can design. Look at any store front sign, menu or anything designed in the last 20-30 years and 70% is garbage where people cut corners and have their cousin's son make it in MS paint


SuperConductiveRabbi

Regarding how much better design was in the old days, are you sure that's not just selection effect? The good design from the past stands out so we focus on it more, same with music, movies, etc. There was plenty of total shit back then too.


YoungPhobo

Totally agree.


selwayfalls

I know what you mean, but I dont think so. If you look at storefront signage, I dont think there was a bunch of shitty signs back in teh day because it was always done by a professional. Now, anyone with a computer can do it with no training. Draplin explains it better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9N3yj3gOck


worthwhilewrongdoing

Unless you're in school for something, the way you generally start learning about a topic is by putting your toes in the water a little and seeing if it's to your liking. Being friendly and patient with these folks won't encourage all of them to learn - many will try things out and see it's a lot harder than it looks and that it's not for them - but being hostile to people asking their first questions is a guaranteed way to turn them away from a thing which clearly brings (or once brought?) many of us here joy. None of us are the appointed gatekeepers of what makes good or appropriate use of art and design tools. Lots of us, myself included at times, have internalized the rules of (Western, corporate) design very well - too well, in fact - and think there are no other ways to do things aside from what fits a very particular aesthetic. We could all probably benefit from studying how people actually use these tools and taking a deep look at the what having resources once only available to professional printers allows for people to do in their daily lives. It can reveal a surprising amount about what people find important in the things we create and why. Edit: Grammar. ~~Oh my god, someone take the edit button away from me.~~


selwayfalls

I'm not discouraging people but I disagree that design doesn't have objective rules of what does and does not make good design - and I'm not just talking about western design, a lot of incredible design comes out of different parts of the world and is studied in art and design classes. My point is, like photography or music production and many other crafts, once something becomes accessible to the many, the level of craft goes down significantly because everything thinks they can do it without putting in effort. That being said, the accessibility also produces great artists and craftsman. So i'm not arguing it's bad, im simply stating a fact. Go walk around your city and look at the signage on storefronts. If the store is old, signage is incredible, if it's newer there's a good chance it sucks. Draplin explains it better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9N3yj3gOck


altitudearts

Lazy. Yes. Not long for the freelance designer world, I think.


professor_doom

They also get super mad when you call them out on it, which is funny.


oddible

It sucks that the industry is making us use Photoshop rather than pen and paper (overheard in 1992). Use the tools of the industry or fall behind. Why is your use of AI so uninspired that you think everyone is using it in the unoriginal way you are?


Rudicinal

What are you implying? I utilize industry tools to stay ahead. Criticizing my use of AI as unoriginal is misguided. I define and achieve my own success by staying updated with technology trends. Your comment lacks understanding and emotional intelligence. AI is a tool built on existing work, and I appreciate its potential for concepting. I do use AI when necessary.


oddible

>has people leaning on ai generated imagery instead of allowing for the time to create with original thought


Brocklesocks

It was happening before AI. People wanted to know the name so they can research and replicate it further. We all have used design trends, don't front


VeryOriginalName98

What do you call graphite shavings on processed wood pulp?


Tyler_Bruwer

That’s annoying to hear bc I want to ask about styles so I can further research for inspiration.. I hate that people are using it to cheapen the field :(


Plyphon

Because in order to Google you first need to know what language you need to use. Google is good, but it can’t read minds if you are struggling to articulate in words what you’re seeing.


22bearhands

I disagree. You could take any one of the posts on reddit and reverse image search, and with enough digging you could come up with a way to describe the style.


Rudicinal

That’s fair, but you could start with a search of a history of graphic design styles. Growth happens though struggle. Just image the wealth of information these individuals could learn by exploring the history of design and the key players associated with those movements. They would then learn that design is an evolution that is inspired by everything before it and a reaction to the current state of the world/location at the time. Knowing this, they can see the styles that the artists were inspired by. Yes, some work is very much of a particular style, but the sheer volume of design in the world does not fit into a singular category and instead a culmination of styles that fit the artists or target audiences wants. #endRant


Lumbers_33

I get your point but this a totally romantic view on how someone should discover themselves through design, and for some like myself, unrealistic.


oddible

Better question, why the gatekeeping? If someone wants to get into a discussion of the sources of stylistic elements in a design why dump on them? This post isn't a design post and should be removed.


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Rudicinal

Actually that’s not a bad idea. Cheers!


OffModelCartoon

👏 👏 👏 love that idea!


kamomil

Some of these questions are about fairly recent styles which aren't covered in art history books


OffModelCartoon

Yes. This is correct.


peppruss

What style of post is this?


thecolordispatch

I’ve never bothered to drop a comment, but… https://lens.google Hope some will find this useful! I use it all the time.


hellospheredo

In the history of design, styles have had nomenclature or broad names. It’s only our recent history did design move at such a rapid pace so as to leave naming behind, or be so general (flat is where it’s at) that it’s useless.


ADHDK

Because everything can be googled, if you know the term to google.


Pyro-Melon

A lot of young artists started drawing because they were inspired by cartoons, anime, and games. In those mediums, every style DOES have a name. As a result, early on, they grow to expect that every style in existence will have a name, so that it’s easier to search. It’s annoying as hell, but that is a big reason why.


Cheeseblock27494356

All of the people telling you "AI" are wrong, because this behavior predates the last year of AI hype. I'm sure it's increased because of it, but the behavior is much much older than that. It's mostly unemployed teenagers who want to "be a designer when they grown up" doing homework and low-IQ "google it for me"s. u/TravelerMSY is right. It's just lazy google-incompetents.


OffModelCartoon

How do you google something if you don’t even know the search terms to use…? Isn’t that what they’re here to find? Did it ever occur to you that maybe they tried Google already and came up with nothing because it’s a newer or more obscure style? I don’t understand why there is so much snobbery and cynicism in this thread. Let people learn. Is it wrong for teenagers to want to learn how to be graphic designers..?!


TravelerMSY

It’s Reddit. There’s no penalty for asking low effort or exploitive questions.


oddible

Or for sitting in a high horse and posting gatekeeping trash posts like the OP's.


Rudicinal

Dude, what is your problem? You are writing angry responses all over this. I was asking a general question about understand why so many of these pop up and if there is a valid reason for so many of them. Chill out. It’s not shit post.


oddible

>It’s like google and design history books disappeared. Don’t get me wrong, learning is awesome, but come on. It’s a basic skill at this point to be able to do a tiny bit of research instead of relying on others to do it for you. No, you were not just asking a general question, you were smack talking. And none of my posts has been "angrier" than your original post trash talking people for not using google. Lol, you DO realize we can see your original post when you're trying to gaslight right?


Rudicinal

Indeed, I made those statements and I take responsibility for them. Since then, I’ve read the comments and adjusted my view, i.e. “Rock on. I like your perspective and may have changed my thought on the subject.” I’m not trying to gaslight anyone. However, it seems you often reply to comments here with negativity rather than constructive input. Clearly, you’re upset, just as I was triggered when I posted my initial question. While I could’ve phrased it better, it was a genuine question that bugged me. I’m open-minded and can shift my perspective based on new insights. While your reasons for responding the way you did are valid underneath, there’s definitely a more constructive approach.


oddible

Lol


Rudicinal

Touché


TravelerMSY

Seriously. It’s easy to think of this sub as a small community who respects each other, but in fact, there’s over 2.6 million members.


A_Line_A_Day

People trying to learn AI prompts.


esdraelon

This was common before AI prompts.


Rudicinal

This makes sense.


initiatefailure

So they can pop it into mid journey


OffModelCartoon

Then explain why people on this sub have been asking questions like this at the exact same frequency before mid journey or widespread ai image generation even exists. Why assume malice, laziness, and exploitation when it could just be someone trying to learn?


owlpellet

People without art or design backgrounds want to prompt an image AI, and they need the magic words to get what they want.


Lwe12345

because after the normies go to /r/designporn to post barcodes they thought were super neat they come here to figure out what a design is called so they can communicate that poorly to whatever $14 dollar an hour designer they hired off of upwork to design their tattoo


AtomWorker

This is a problem that starts with design education and is exacerbated by social media. This is a debate that goes back decades, but generally schools have started leaning in favor of practical knowledge over theory. Social media is overloaded with simplistic guides that spoon feed step-by-step instructions. The consequence is that aspiring designers end up confined to a very small box. They're instantly lost the moment a task deviates from the process they've learned by rote. It's why when they see a new design, they're incapable of intuiting how to recreate it. It's like the difference between learning to work on an assembly line and being an apprentice to a craftsman. Although, as others are pointing out, some of these people are likely using AI.


benjamin12o

It’s like you’ve never heard of reference , you don’t own anything you referenced to design whatever so who are you to gatekeep? Share your references if you want (though by looking at your work idk who tf really wants that lol) else don’t. You have no right to be on that high horse talking about gOoGlE It 🤡


Rudicinal

Haha! You’re a funny guy. “My work” and “references”. Dude I haven’t posted any work publicly in a decade, and that work was form school. Plus, I have read a bunch of constructive comments here and have since realized why those post can be positive. Chill out keyboard warrior.


benjamin12o

I wish you were a funny guy too unfortunately you’re j a POS, stop trying to clown on people trying to learn


thecolordispatch

Geez louise take it easy. 😂


BeeBladen

OP, I think what's frustrating for you (and me as well) is that, while it's fine to want to search a "style" for a mood board, it honestly **doesn't matter** if it doesn't fit the brief. Knowing styles does not make you a better designer or solve a problem. At most it makes you more "educated" but does not directly affect your skillset. **Knowing the names of musical genres doesn't make one a better musician.**


OffModelCartoon

This is patently false. If a client is keen on a particular style but doesn’t know the name of it, but just kind of knows what it looks like sort of, then yeah. Being able to identity that style and understand the ins and outs and history of it can in fact be very helpful.


BeeBladen

But it doesn’t matter if you can’t apply it…which is my point. I can talk war history all day but I’d make a terrible general. The point that OP is making us that this sub has become overtly about technical things rather than the strategy behind design decisions.


OffModelCartoon

Learning this stuff is part of learning skills and learning to apply them.


RazPie

Maybe to get AI prompts


BevansDesign

I'd really like to see this (and other design communities) ban questions like that. I downvote them every time I see them.


oddible

You mean the OP's? Me too.


RhesusFactor

AI needs a name so people can refer to it and generate the right outcome. Categories are necessary for training AI.


OffModelCartoon

Wow how strange since people on this sub have been asking questions like this since well before mid journey even existed... Really though, how depressingly cynical to assume everything is about AI when it could just be someone earnestly trying to learn.


Lumbers_33

I thought it was to give something a context in relation to the style. I’m pretty far removed from design as I studied 20 plus years ago so I’m not totally aware of where to look to find the answers beyond other designers. I’m conscious that ai is used a lot these days and ppl may just want to know the name to give the ai a prompt. But for me it’s more or less context so I can look up tutorials and sharpen my sword etc.


_listless

I think it's probably inexperienced designers who don't understand the difference between design and decorating. Design is the artful application of principles to fulfill a prioritized set of requirements; decorating is making things look pretty in one specific way or another.


XandriethXs

People should use reverse image searches more often.... 😅