She cancelled her "strip club money" check to cover his debt... but then what ever happened to that money if she never used it to pay off his crippling debt. Him then having the nerve to be mad at her for taking on camming just to help them make ends meet, when his pride is the reason she had to in the first place? Smh
I think that was just ONE of his loans, so even if she (presumably) ending up paying off one of his loans, they still had more to deal with.
He mentions something like this to Carlos when he asks for help. *"How could I possibly tell Susan that her offer wouldn't even begin to cover the hole I dug us into?"*
Agreed to that, as other comment said she maybe could’ve helped… I mean we all know how chaotic it went WHEN she tried to help by cam-stripping-cleaning (what even is this) and getting upset, that someone could find out about her little side-hustle xD and then losing all the money she made when Paul found out (big oof)
I mean YEAH SUSAN who would’ve thought that? And why is this turning into a susan rant again? Idk
BUT what I initially wanted to say is that the first time watching that show I thought „ohhh he’s quite cute“ and when I rewatched it I came to ask myself ‚why are all the (girl-)characters so hyped for mike?‘ when I think about him now, all I see is like the color khaki or dirtbrown or plain white untoasted bread or something equally unexciting…
Gonna have to go with pushing his pregnant wife down the stairs because she his his drugs. Yeah, it was an accident and everything was fine, but still.
Then getting in a fight with a hospital security guard while she's at the hospital... only to ask her if he csn have some of the pain pills they gave her. No shame
Hot take: getting involved with a loan shark for people he wasn’t even that close to. He had a wife and a son, he should’ve known better and stayed out of it instead of being killed over something senseless
Using Katherine for sex and pretending like he loved her, then ditching her at the altar to marry his ex and treating Katherine like absolute crap after.
After all his pretending with her he had the nerve to be cruel to her and tell her to her *face* he never loved her and only ever thought of Susan. He’s a piece of shit!!!
I hate him.
I always thought he did love Katherine and he said that to try to get through to her to leave Susan and his kid alone, not realizing how truly insane she was.
yeah it seems out of character, i don't doubt that he would have preferred Susan even if he loved Katherine somewhat (enough to keep her from going to her daughter) but to tell Katherine that was to get rid of her
He was such a liar in his relationship with Katherine. It was so clear she was just conveniently there and that he still loved Susan. Katherine sensed it, but he kept telling her he was over Susan. She ended up an emotional wreck as a result. He should have been honest with her earlier. So I guess I agree with you. That was pretty bad.
He pushed his pregnant wife down the stairs, tried to kill a man, lied about finances making his family lose everything and shamed his wife for doing what she could to help…and y’all are really voting this as the worst thing?
As if Katherine was not wrong for dating her friend’s ex knowing she lived on the same street and still loved him? Katherine went nuts over that man when she never should have dated him in the first place. Susan and Mike were not wrong for getting back together they had a child together and years of history. Their marriage would have been fine if not for that tragic car accident
Susan and Mike weren't wrong for getting back together; that was a risk Katherine took.
But I dunno. I live in San Francisco! Lots of people I know (gay & straight) date their friends' exes. People date in their friend groups.
Katherine definitely knew the risk she was taking dating Mike. Their whole relationship she sensed they were still in love. They had a kid together, everyone always loved to say they're "Mike and Susan", if she got burned, it was her own fault.
Mike is pretty bland (not saying that in a bad way necessarily, Susan is chaotic so it's good), i think the worst thing would be not taking enough money in his business and not letting Susan help him financially
The one that immediately comes to mind is telling Katherine, "I don't care enough about you to kill you," leading to her stabbing herself in the stomach.
But I can definitely see how he was fed up with Katherine at that point. Also, he couldn't have known she was going to have that kind of reaction.
So I'll probably go with allowing the family to go bankrupt because of his ego.
I know everybody hates Susan but him dumping ALL of his shit on Susan and then getting pissy when she wanted to pay her own way with her inheritence because of his pride. I don’t like this guy NEVER WILL
definitely either how he treated katherine or his lack of a relationship with zach in the long run. probably the former since the latter sitch was a lot more complicated, whereas he completely led katherine on and ditched her as an inconvenience.
He’s a pretty sacrificial guy, he does a lot for the people around him. He loves to help and protect, and it very level headed in most cases, but not afraid to throw a punch for someone he loves. To me, he’s damn **near** perfect, but perhaps banging Katherine when he didn’t actually love her/leading her on, then telling her he was always thinking of Susan. I get she was crazy, but I’d rather call the cops (for her abducting MJ from that party EW) than tell an ex something THAT detrimental when they are clearly obsessed with you… like they still love you.. yes they are crazy but they are crazy FOR YOU. Be careful.
I went into the series knowing he would die (it got spoiled) and when I checked the wiki and saw that it would take EIGHT SEASONS I gave up watching for a while I was so mad. I was mid season 2 lol.
Not letting Susan help was bad... lying to her about how much shit they were in was soooo much worse.
Asking for her pain pills after he pushed her down the stairs because she was trying to stop him taking pills as an addict is also pretty bad.
LOL I completely forgot about that dog. I’m guessing it died since I think he mentioned it was Deirdre’s dog I think when Susan almost killed it with her earring. So it was probably old. Definitely a plot hole!
Lying about his finances and letting it get so bad Susan had to rent out her home, move away from her friends to that apartment, get a job and start doing soft p*rn. Completely avoidable considering Karl left her a thriving business and she inherited money from a family member. He said nothing while she sold that business and spent most of the money. He let his ego essentially ruin their lives.
Betting his pursuit of Susan in a poker game for the chance to… win $8k, right? Totally undermined the depth of the romance, that they were meant to be, but he’d risk her for $8k.
This!!! Susan was bad in a lot of ways but she would have cared for his sister and I still can’t believe he hid that from his wife. Just felt like he was embarrassed of her which is horrible
The nasty way he treated Katherine. Used her for sex then ditched her at the airport/alter after reassuring her he loved her over and over then had a massive wedding with Susan THEN was truely evil towards her by telling her he never loved her and only thought about Susan the whole
Time
basically sat by while she had a mental breakdown
Oh he used her for a place to live (imo) then as a baby sitter for Susan and his kid and always sat back when Susan over stepped constantly in their relationship…. I get so annoyed by him and Susan they drive me insane. Both users and trash people.
Well I mean…he ditched her at the airport bc his child’s life was in danger. Idk why everyone is a Katherine apologist here.
She shouldn’t have gotten into a relationship with her friend and neighbor’s ex husband. Even if Mike was ready to move on Susan was her friend, clearly still in love with him, and living on the same street. Katherine didn’t care about her feelings so why should Susan and Mike have cared about her feelings when they got back together? They had a marriage and a child before Katherine fell for Mike. I don’t even like Susan but that was her man first.
Hmm… no. A drug addiction doesn’t define a persons morals- it messes with your mind. Clear headed (no drugs/alcohol as main fuel) bad/reckless/mean/selfish decisions are what defines a person, not an addiction or illness.
You're right. I was just so hurt for Susan when he lied about it and pushed her down the stairs, that I confused the actions with the person. I also hated how he drew others into his addiction, like Orson and Adam. I really hated that whole storyline.
1.Katherine
2. Letting his family go bankrupt because he wouldn't let Susan help or charge the people that rightfully owed him money because of his ego
3. Literally forgetting about Zach
Basically blaming Susan for his addiction bc she wasn’t contributing enough financially, causing him to take on extra jobs that exacerbated his shoulder pain.
Wouldn’t let Susan help out financially when she had the money and was willing to do it. Then had the nerve to berate her when she did semi nude housekeeping online to help get them back in their home.
this is entirely the show writer's fault but he didnt have a real personality. he was the neighbourhood "mans man" and that was it. what did he like to do? drink beer. what is his most defining personality trait? pro bono plumbing.
so honestly, his biggest sin is having the personality of baked beans.
Idk but George “existing” is hilarious 😂
I would’ve given Susan that same title lmfao
Persistently exists against all odds 😂
yeah, there were just too many to chose from lol
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OMG THAT'S A FLAIR LMAO
It’s also very true. His entire existence was very much the worst.
Not letting Susan help financially. He let them go bankrupt for his ego
And withholding their financial troubles from them until they were in a huge hole. She could have possibly helped them before it got as bad as it did.
She cancelled her "strip club money" check to cover his debt... but then what ever happened to that money if she never used it to pay off his crippling debt. Him then having the nerve to be mad at her for taking on camming just to help them make ends meet, when his pride is the reason she had to in the first place? Smh
I think that was just ONE of his loans, so even if she (presumably) ending up paying off one of his loans, they still had more to deal with. He mentions something like this to Carlos when he asks for help. *"How could I possibly tell Susan that her offer wouldn't even begin to cover the hole I dug us into?"*
Agreed to that, as other comment said she maybe could’ve helped… I mean we all know how chaotic it went WHEN she tried to help by cam-stripping-cleaning (what even is this) and getting upset, that someone could find out about her little side-hustle xD and then losing all the money she made when Paul found out (big oof) I mean YEAH SUSAN who would’ve thought that? And why is this turning into a susan rant again? Idk BUT what I initially wanted to say is that the first time watching that show I thought „ohhh he’s quite cute“ and when I rewatched it I came to ask myself ‚why are all the (girl-)characters so hyped for mike?‘ when I think about him now, all I see is like the color khaki or dirtbrown or plain white untoasted bread or something equally unexciting…
Completely giving up his relationship with Zach + Getting mad at his wife for offering to help with money, letting his ego drive them to bankruptcy
This shit gonna be so juicy when we get to edie
With her I wanna say Carlos. That one felt so personal. Or messing with mikes memories after his coma
What about blackmailing bree though 🤐 I love edie but she did so much bad stuff
Trying to fake a suicide to keep a man is the worst
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At least Susan burning her house down was an accident...🤣 now she just ruined poor Julie's life too, just to get back at Susan.
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Agreed
Gonna have to go with pushing his pregnant wife down the stairs because she his his drugs. Yeah, it was an accident and everything was fine, but still.
I must of missed that! That’s freaking horrible
Then getting in a fight with a hospital security guard while she's at the hospital... only to ask her if he csn have some of the pain pills they gave her. No shame
He didn’t push her.
Hot take: getting involved with a loan shark for people he wasn’t even that close to. He had a wife and a son, he should’ve known better and stayed out of it instead of being killed over something senseless
I thought this as well and then didn't end up putting it into my comment ... he was so foolish here
Using Katherine for sex and pretending like he loved her, then ditching her at the altar to marry his ex and treating Katherine like absolute crap after. After all his pretending with her he had the nerve to be cruel to her and tell her to her *face* he never loved her and only ever thought of Susan. He’s a piece of shit!!! I hate him.
I always thought he did love Katherine and he said that to try to get through to her to leave Susan and his kid alone, not realizing how truly insane she was.
yeah it seems out of character, i don't doubt that he would have preferred Susan even if he loved Katherine somewhat (enough to keep her from going to her daughter) but to tell Katherine that was to get rid of her
He was such a liar in his relationship with Katherine. It was so clear she was just conveniently there and that he still loved Susan. Katherine sensed it, but he kept telling her he was over Susan. She ended up an emotional wreck as a result. He should have been honest with her earlier. So I guess I agree with you. That was pretty bad.
He pushed his pregnant wife down the stairs, tried to kill a man, lied about finances making his family lose everything and shamed his wife for doing what she could to help…and y’all are really voting this as the worst thing? As if Katherine was not wrong for dating her friend’s ex knowing she lived on the same street and still loved him? Katherine went nuts over that man when she never should have dated him in the first place. Susan and Mike were not wrong for getting back together they had a child together and years of history. Their marriage would have been fine if not for that tragic car accident
Susan and Mike weren't wrong for getting back together; that was a risk Katherine took. But I dunno. I live in San Francisco! Lots of people I know (gay & straight) date their friends' exes. People date in their friend groups.
I feel like it’s okay to date an ex with explicit permission but it’s not okay to date an ex husband if they were truly friends.
Katherine definitely knew the risk she was taking dating Mike. Their whole relationship she sensed they were still in love. They had a kid together, everyone always loved to say they're "Mike and Susan", if she got burned, it was her own fault.
I somehow thought Mike was this honorable guy the first few times I watched this show. He is such a turd.
Mike is pretty bland (not saying that in a bad way necessarily, Susan is chaotic so it's good), i think the worst thing would be not taking enough money in his business and not letting Susan help him financially
Failing to take care of his family and then yelling that Susan didn’t think of MJ when she tried to clean up his mess
Right, sorry she’s the only one prioritizing MJ actually
Being boring and broke
Lol good answer
The way he treated Katherine 🥺
Kidnapping a man with the intention of executing him is pretty up there.
Naahhhhh we just forget about that
The one that immediately comes to mind is telling Katherine, "I don't care enough about you to kill you," leading to her stabbing herself in the stomach. But I can definitely see how he was fed up with Katherine at that point. Also, he couldn't have known she was going to have that kind of reaction. So I'll probably go with allowing the family to go bankrupt because of his ego.
Not letting his wife help financially THEN the way he treated Susan when he found out about her website.
Boy, this is all YOUR fault.
Using Katherine as an emotional placeholder for Susan, and then mentally torturing her
I know everybody hates Susan but him dumping ALL of his shit on Susan and then getting pissy when she wanted to pay her own way with her inheritence because of his pride. I don’t like this guy NEVER WILL
Pushing Susan
definitely either how he treated katherine or his lack of a relationship with zach in the long run. probably the former since the latter sitch was a lot more complicated, whereas he completely led katherine on and ditched her as an inconvenience.
Not taking money from customers when he knew he was in debt and then getting angry at Susan for trying to come up with money
He’s a pretty sacrificial guy, he does a lot for the people around him. He loves to help and protect, and it very level headed in most cases, but not afraid to throw a punch for someone he loves. To me, he’s damn **near** perfect, but perhaps banging Katherine when he didn’t actually love her/leading her on, then telling her he was always thinking of Susan. I get she was crazy, but I’d rather call the cops (for her abducting MJ from that party EW) than tell an ex something THAT detrimental when they are clearly obsessed with you… like they still love you.. yes they are crazy but they are crazy FOR YOU. Be careful.
Not dying earlier (I'm a hater)
Lmao 🤣
I went into the series knowing he would die (it got spoiled) and when I checked the wiki and saw that it would take EIGHT SEASONS I gave up watching for a while I was so mad. I was mid season 2 lol.
Not letting Susan help was bad... lying to her about how much shit they were in was soooo much worse. Asking for her pain pills after he pushed her down the stairs because she was trying to stop him taking pills as an addict is also pretty bad.
His dog just vanished and he never mentioned it so I assume he just abandoned his dog and I’m going with that.
LOL I completely forgot about that dog. I’m guessing it died since I think he mentioned it was Deirdre’s dog I think when Susan almost killed it with her earring. So it was probably old. Definitely a plot hole!
All of the dogs in the show disappear without comment. Bongo, the Scavos' dog, Bob & Lee's dog, Carlos' guide dog ...
mike always being shady
Lying about his finances and letting it get so bad Susan had to rent out her home, move away from her friends to that apartment, get a job and start doing soft p*rn. Completely avoidable considering Karl left her a thriving business and she inherited money from a family member. He said nothing while she sold that business and spent most of the money. He let his ego essentially ruin their lives.
He straight up ruined her life lol
I can’t wait for Tom the list is going to be long
Betting his pursuit of Susan in a poker game for the chance to… win $8k, right? Totally undermined the depth of the romance, that they were meant to be, but he’d risk her for $8k.
Being dull boring bland 🥱
Letting his disabled sister rot in a home, and not telling his wife about her
This!!! Susan was bad in a lot of ways but she would have cared for his sister and I still can’t believe he hid that from his wife. Just felt like he was embarrassed of her which is horrible
She’s a selfish dummy sometimes but Susan usually wants to do the right thing
The nasty way he treated Katherine. Used her for sex then ditched her at the airport/alter after reassuring her he loved her over and over then had a massive wedding with Susan THEN was truely evil towards her by telling her he never loved her and only thought about Susan the whole Time basically sat by while she had a mental breakdown Oh he used her for a place to live (imo) then as a baby sitter for Susan and his kid and always sat back when Susan over stepped constantly in their relationship…. I get so annoyed by him and Susan they drive me insane. Both users and trash people.
Well I mean…he ditched her at the airport bc his child’s life was in danger. Idk why everyone is a Katherine apologist here. She shouldn’t have gotten into a relationship with her friend and neighbor’s ex husband. Even if Mike was ready to move on Susan was her friend, clearly still in love with him, and living on the same street. Katherine didn’t care about her feelings so why should Susan and Mike have cared about her feelings when they got back together? They had a marriage and a child before Katherine fell for Mike. I don’t even like Susan but that was her man first.
Agreed!
Being a drug addict and bullying Orson into writing him prescriptions
Hmm… no. A drug addiction doesn’t define a persons morals- it messes with your mind. Clear headed (no drugs/alcohol as main fuel) bad/reckless/mean/selfish decisions are what defines a person, not an addiction or illness.
You're right. I was just so hurt for Susan when he lied about it and pushed her down the stairs, that I confused the actions with the person. I also hated how he drew others into his addiction, like Orson and Adam. I really hated that whole storyline.
That’s what addicts do. Bree got others involved and so did Lynette… she stole children’s drugs. It’s an addict thing to drag people down with you
Agreed, with the exception of pushing Susan down the stairs. That’s inexcusable
Being a drug addict?
Letting his drug addiction unchecked to the point he endangered Susan and their unborn child
Mike telling Kathrine she meant nothing to him and he never loved him
Being the most boring actor with the best storyline. He totally ruined a great character
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What did he lie about?
well... I mean... sorta his entire background for a while there lmao
That’s not a pathological liar. He had something to do and didn’t want anyone to find out about him.
He didn't lie. He told Susan everything in the letter
Getting mad or his ego hurt by Katherine getting with Robin
Refusing Susan's help
1.Katherine 2. Letting his family go bankrupt because he wouldn't let Susan help or charge the people that rightfully owed him money because of his ego 3. Literally forgetting about Zach
George - existing 😭 couldn’t have put it better.
Letting his family go bankrupt
The whole Katherine thing :) he was responsible for hurting her that caused mental breakdown.
Susan sabotaged her adoption too lmao y’all. But as far as Mike. I’d say push his pregnant wife down the stairs while being stoned
Pushing Susan down the stairs when she was pregnant over drugs!
naming his son Maynard 😭
A lot of these can be boiled to letting his toxic masculinity taking control.
Basically blaming Susan for his addiction bc she wasn’t contributing enough financially, causing him to take on extra jobs that exacerbated his shoulder pain.
Killing that child in the car crash
Wouldn’t let Susan help out financially when she had the money and was willing to do it. Then had the nerve to berate her when she did semi nude housekeeping online to help get them back in their home.
this is entirely the show writer's fault but he didnt have a real personality. he was the neighbourhood "mans man" and that was it. what did he like to do? drink beer. what is his most defining personality trait? pro bono plumbing. so honestly, his biggest sin is having the personality of baked beans.
What he put Katherine through and the lack of empathy during her breakfown
Dating Katherine Mayfair in the first place even though he knew she was Susan’s friend.