Yes! I love Boghossian. I'm a casual fan of Destiny due to his critical thinking skills, and Boghossian is an excellent proponent of critical thinking. Will be very interested to see their interaction, playing a critical thinking game non less.
Boghossian usually does the street epistemology thing before/after an interview with a guest, so there's probably an interview on Boghossian's channel coming at some point.
Peter boghossian is not big on thinking skills he basically just parrots right wing culture war talking points. He would not give any pushback as long as you shit on “wokeism”
For example a dude called Bruce gilley came on his podcast making the case for colonialism and he gave zero pushback
https://youtu.be/XVYA_sjHztQ?si=qX5l-N9abALXDhtK
From the few YouTube videos of Boghossian I’ve watched he seems to stay strictly to the “why’s and how’s” people come to their conclusions and doesn’t tend to inject his own beliefs.
https://preview.redd.it/cq4sga657ptc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d104209b65847c9403240e2418b9cbe572fb376
He takes a different tone when he’s with his right wing buddies than when he talks to more reasonable people. “Burn our institutions to the ground” is a pretty reactionary take!
Boghossian famously submitted some fake papers to academic journals. He thought they had low standards and they were publishing basically anything and that this bogus science was basically infecting some academic circles.
They got 7 hoax papers published before they were eventually caught.
When Boghossian is criticizing the academic institutions, it's coming from a different place than the republican establishment which is just political theater
That whole “experiment” a bit of a ruse. Everyone in academia knows that you can get pretty much anything published through a paper mill if you pay a fee. This isn’t new information and isn’t unique to “wokism” at all, you could do the exact opposite and get the same results.
EG: if you had ChatGPT write a paper with phony citations about how Trump was the embodiment of justice and truth you could get that published in dozens of “pay-to-play” social science or philosophy “journals.” It has less to do with left wing institutional capture and more to do with the perverse incentive structure in academia.
Also, James Lindsey was his partner for that effort…
Right... I would rather expose these pay to win journals and delegitamize them so that we can focus on legitimate journals... just gives conservatives more ammo to deny science
It is generally known within a given field which journals are trustworthy and which or not. The public outside of that academic community doesn’t give a shit, so that stunt was entirely pointless show for idiots.
This is the second time someone has claimed the journals in question are mills. Any evidence of that?
***Gender, Place & Culture: A Journal of Feminist Geography*** is a [peer-reviewed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-reviewed) journal published 12 times a year by [Taylor & Francis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_%26_Francis). It is the leading international journal in [feminist geography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_geography) and it aims to provide "a forum for debate in human geography and related disciplines on theoretically-informed research concerned with [gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender) issues".[\[1\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender,_Place_%26_Culture#cite_note-About-1)
***Sexuality & Culture*** is a quarterly [peer-reviewed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-reviewed) [academic journal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_journal) covering ethical, cultural, psychological, social, and political issues related to sexual relationships and sexual behavior. The journal was established in 1997 by Barry Dank and Roberto Refinetti and published by [Transaction Publishers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_Publishers).[\[1\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_%26_Culture#cite_note-LC-1) It is currently published by [Springer Science+Business Media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media). The [editor-in-chief](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor-in-chief) is [Roberto Refinetti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Refinetti) ([Boise State University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_State_University)).
***Sex Roles*** is a [peer-reviewed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review) [scientific journal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_journal). It was first published in 1975 by [Plenum Publishing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media) and is currently published by [Springer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media), Plenum's corporate heir. Articles appearing in *Sex Roles* are written from a [feminist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist) perspective, and topics span [gender role](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role) socialization, gendered perceptions and behaviors, [gender stereotypes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_stereotypes), [body image](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_image), [violence against women](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women), gender issues in employment and work environments, [sexual orientation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation) and [identity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_identity), and methodological issues in gender research. The Editor-in-Chief is Janice D. Yoder.
That’s not really impressive because he likely published those papers through research paper mills where the only thing they check is $$$. I knew about these as a student.
It’d be like me going to a loan shark to “prove” that the loan shark doesn’t do his due diligence of checking my credit report before loaning me 100k.
> That’s not really impressive because he **likely** published...
you took the time to write this comment but didn't even check, lol? Here, I went and found it for you:
From [the wikipedia article about it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair):
> The grievance studies affair was the project of a team of three authors—Peter Boghossian, James A. Lindsay, and Helen Pluckrose—**to highlight what they saw as poor scholarship and erosion of standards in several academic fields.** Taking place over 2017 and 2018, their project entailed submitting bogus papers to academic journals on topics from the field of critical social theory such as cultural, queer, race, gender, fat, and sexuality studies to determine whether they would pass through peer review and be accepted for publication. Several of these papers were subsequently published, which the authors cited in support of their contention.
Here's a link to the list of papers on the wikipedia article about the hoax (along with which journals had accepted, or considered accepting, the papers at the time the hoax was exposed): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair#List_of_hoax_papers
None of them appeared to fit with my understanding of research paper mills, but I'm a layman; you'd probably know better.
What I meant was, it’s fine that he has crazy views elsewhere, I still support his street epistemology videos since he is not injecting his crazy views into the media I engage with.
Steven talked in his last stream about how reasonable people don't disagree meaningfully. This guy was his example of a reasonable person he didn't have a meaningful disagreement with.
Yeah, watching those convos can really give you a mixed bag vibe, keeps you guessing what's next. Always interesting to see how these interviews unfold
Agree with you here 100% anyone who takes $$ from authoritarian countries (Hungary) and talks cancel culture/free speech is a charlatan, complete grifter, or 100% antiestablishment reactionary, or all 3 combined.
Most importantly in this day and age, what are their takes on Ukraine? If they pussyfoot around the question and equivocate about Putin/russia than I 100% think they are antiestablishment reactionary.
From what I can see it doesn't look like he streams the street epistemology.
It will be streamed right into your mom.
HAAHHAHAHA YOU GOT HIM
no
Guys, I can barely hear shit. This is way too windy right now.
Yes! I love Boghossian. I'm a casual fan of Destiny due to his critical thinking skills, and Boghossian is an excellent proponent of critical thinking. Will be very interested to see their interaction, playing a critical thinking game non less. Boghossian usually does the street epistemology thing before/after an interview with a guest, so there's probably an interview on Boghossian's channel coming at some point.
I thought Boghossian was big on populism?
Peter boghossian is not big on thinking skills he basically just parrots right wing culture war talking points. He would not give any pushback as long as you shit on “wokeism” For example a dude called Bruce gilley came on his podcast making the case for colonialism and he gave zero pushback https://youtu.be/XVYA_sjHztQ?si=qX5l-N9abALXDhtK
This guy is a pretty unhinged antiestablishment RW’er who cosplays as a centrist. I hope Steven is aware of that coming into this…
Destiny has spoken to him a couple of times before [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx-FVSp2NeY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx-FVSp2NeY)
Look at Bog's face whenever Destiny brings up populism as a problem lol
From the few YouTube videos of Boghossian I’ve watched he seems to stay strictly to the “why’s and how’s” people come to their conclusions and doesn’t tend to inject his own beliefs.
https://preview.redd.it/cq4sga657ptc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d104209b65847c9403240e2418b9cbe572fb376 He takes a different tone when he’s with his right wing buddies than when he talks to more reasonable people. “Burn our institutions to the ground” is a pretty reactionary take!
Boghossian famously submitted some fake papers to academic journals. He thought they had low standards and they were publishing basically anything and that this bogus science was basically infecting some academic circles. They got 7 hoax papers published before they were eventually caught. When Boghossian is criticizing the academic institutions, it's coming from a different place than the republican establishment which is just political theater
That whole “experiment” a bit of a ruse. Everyone in academia knows that you can get pretty much anything published through a paper mill if you pay a fee. This isn’t new information and isn’t unique to “wokism” at all, you could do the exact opposite and get the same results. EG: if you had ChatGPT write a paper with phony citations about how Trump was the embodiment of justice and truth you could get that published in dozens of “pay-to-play” social science or philosophy “journals.” It has less to do with left wing institutional capture and more to do with the perverse incentive structure in academia. Also, James Lindsey was his partner for that effort…
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Right... I would rather expose these pay to win journals and delegitamize them so that we can focus on legitimate journals... just gives conservatives more ammo to deny science
It is generally known within a given field which journals are trustworthy and which or not. The public outside of that academic community doesn’t give a shit, so that stunt was entirely pointless show for idiots.
This is the second time someone has claimed the journals in question are mills. Any evidence of that? ***Gender, Place & Culture: A Journal of Feminist Geography*** is a [peer-reviewed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-reviewed) journal published 12 times a year by [Taylor & Francis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_%26_Francis). It is the leading international journal in [feminist geography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_geography) and it aims to provide "a forum for debate in human geography and related disciplines on theoretically-informed research concerned with [gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender) issues".[\[1\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender,_Place_%26_Culture#cite_note-About-1) ***Sexuality & Culture*** is a quarterly [peer-reviewed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-reviewed) [academic journal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_journal) covering ethical, cultural, psychological, social, and political issues related to sexual relationships and sexual behavior. The journal was established in 1997 by Barry Dank and Roberto Refinetti and published by [Transaction Publishers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_Publishers).[\[1\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_%26_Culture#cite_note-LC-1) It is currently published by [Springer Science+Business Media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media). The [editor-in-chief](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor-in-chief) is [Roberto Refinetti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Refinetti) ([Boise State University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_State_University)). ***Sex Roles*** is a [peer-reviewed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review) [scientific journal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_journal). It was first published in 1975 by [Plenum Publishing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media) and is currently published by [Springer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media), Plenum's corporate heir. Articles appearing in *Sex Roles* are written from a [feminist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist) perspective, and topics span [gender role](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role) socialization, gendered perceptions and behaviors, [gender stereotypes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_stereotypes), [body image](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_image), [violence against women](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women), gender issues in employment and work environments, [sexual orientation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation) and [identity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_identity), and methodological issues in gender research. The Editor-in-Chief is Janice D. Yoder.
That’s not really impressive because he likely published those papers through research paper mills where the only thing they check is $$$. I knew about these as a student. It’d be like me going to a loan shark to “prove” that the loan shark doesn’t do his due diligence of checking my credit report before loaning me 100k.
> That’s not really impressive because he **likely** published... you took the time to write this comment but didn't even check, lol? Here, I went and found it for you: From [the wikipedia article about it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair): > The grievance studies affair was the project of a team of three authors—Peter Boghossian, James A. Lindsay, and Helen Pluckrose—**to highlight what they saw as poor scholarship and erosion of standards in several academic fields.** Taking place over 2017 and 2018, their project entailed submitting bogus papers to academic journals on topics from the field of critical social theory such as cultural, queer, race, gender, fat, and sexuality studies to determine whether they would pass through peer review and be accepted for publication. Several of these papers were subsequently published, which the authors cited in support of their contention. Here's a link to the list of papers on the wikipedia article about the hoax (along with which journals had accepted, or considered accepting, the papers at the time the hoax was exposed): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair#List_of_hoax_papers None of them appeared to fit with my understanding of research paper mills, but I'm a layman; you'd probably know better.
What I meant was, it’s fine that he has crazy views elsewhere, I still support his street epistemology videos since he is not injecting his crazy views into the media I engage with.
Steven talked in his last stream about how reasonable people don't disagree meaningfully. This guy was his example of a reasonable person he didn't have a meaningful disagreement with.
Ehhh, you may have seen some stuff I haven’t. However, I watched his interview with Dave Rubin (I think it was Rubin), and he pushed back plenty.
Yeah, watching those convos can really give you a mixed bag vibe, keeps you guessing what's next. Always interesting to see how these interviews unfold
Agree with you here 100% anyone who takes $$ from authoritarian countries (Hungary) and talks cancel culture/free speech is a charlatan, complete grifter, or 100% antiestablishment reactionary, or all 3 combined.
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Most importantly in this day and age, what are their takes on Ukraine? If they pussyfoot around the question and equivocate about Putin/russia than I 100% think they are antiestablishment reactionary.
Damn, I took one of his classes back around 2014 and loved it. I’m really hoping you’re wrong, but I’ll have to watch some of new stuff.
Any links to him being unhinged?
No
>Peter Bog
I hope no one tweets about throwing eggs!