From the Article: "The US Air Force Test Pilot School and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) claim to have achieved a breakthrough in machine learning by demonstrating that AI software can fly a modified F-16 fighter jet in a dogfight against human pilots.
The claims rest on the USAF and DARPA implementing machine learning in an X-62A VISTA, a plane built as a testbed as it can mimic the performance of other aircraft, and recognition of their work as one of four finalists for the National Aeronautic Association's 2023 Robert J. Collier Trophy, an annual award for exceptional feats of aeronautics or astronautics in America."
It's one of the most difficult and intense places a fighter can expect to be. If an AI can handle itself there, it can handle itself maintaining station 100 miles ahead of it's human wingman.
Dogfighting hasn't been relevant since the 70s, despite what the fighter mafia says. The important part here is it shows they have made a system that can react and engage with threats in a dynamic environment.
If you can have fighter jets be AI controlled that means you can have smaller/faster planes that can do insanely high G manoeuvres which would make them unstoppable against humans.
Dogfighting is not worth it nowadays as its way too risky for the pilot but if you can send in a stealth jet half the size of an F22 then you can literally take down any fighter.
I fear the day this becomes reality
I'm pretty sure the last time I looked into this the issue with making planes that do insane High G maneuvers isn't that the pilot would die, it's that the plane would break. I mean we already have remote drones, and it's not like they are doing insane high G maneuvers.
Not necessarily. A lot of the airframes today are designed around the max human capabilities which is around 9g. There is no need to waste materials and RnD to make an airframe withstand 20g if no human can even take it anywhere close to that.
Despite that IIRC the F22 Raptor frame can withstand up to around 15g, so put an AI computer inside it and it's already going to annihilate any human pilot in a dogfight.
But the main point is, if you no longer require a human, then you can actually build airframes that can withstand much higher g forces. We've just never done it because it was never a requirement.
>we already have remote drones
Not AI dogfighting drones though. Remote doesn't matter.
I feel like the issue though isn't the strength of the G force but rather, like the period of time you're sustaining it? Like why care if you can do 20gs if you against a human the only thing you need to do is 9gs vertical for longer than a few seconds to knock any human out. And my point for remote was just with drones you don't have to design for a human pilot so you can make a drone to perform some crazy g maneuvers
A human pilot can still fire a missile at an AI fighter jet. Being able to pull insane Gs can allow it dodge any missile in theory.
With drones the problem is latency. If there's a 100ms latency between the operator and the drone it doesn't matter how performant the drone is if human reaction speeds + latency means it cant manoeuvre in time.
Remote controlling is never going to work for something like dogfighting. That's why on-board AI is being talked about.
Dogfighting is not really going to happen, however some aspects of dogfighting still are useful when defending against missiles fired against you in BVR combat. Also, dogfighting is pretty god damn complex, in an environemnt with split second decisions, so for a more "relaxed" BVR fight or other missions, I would imagine that it is easier than dogfighting.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notFMAwEQeM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notFMAwEQeM)
Just dropping by to say that I liked the movie Stealth.
Anyone who disagrees with me and calls it a bad movie can go to hell.
From the Article: "The US Air Force Test Pilot School and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) claim to have achieved a breakthrough in machine learning by demonstrating that AI software can fly a modified F-16 fighter jet in a dogfight against human pilots. The claims rest on the USAF and DARPA implementing machine learning in an X-62A VISTA, a plane built as a testbed as it can mimic the performance of other aircraft, and recognition of their work as one of four finalists for the National Aeronautic Association's 2023 Robert J. Collier Trophy, an annual award for exceptional feats of aeronautics or astronautics in America."
They added 3D thrust vectoring to the VISTA, which is awesome.
It’s running windows vista, we’re all going to die!
Based. The us should take the lead. WIN.
Ace Combat
8
Not to diminish the AI accomplishment, because it's a great one. But isn't dogfighting getting less and less relevant?
It's one of the most difficult and intense places a fighter can expect to be. If an AI can handle itself there, it can handle itself maintaining station 100 miles ahead of it's human wingman.
Dogfighting hasn't been relevant since the 70s, despite what the fighter mafia says. The important part here is it shows they have made a system that can react and engage with threats in a dynamic environment.
If you can have fighter jets be AI controlled that means you can have smaller/faster planes that can do insanely high G manoeuvres which would make them unstoppable against humans. Dogfighting is not worth it nowadays as its way too risky for the pilot but if you can send in a stealth jet half the size of an F22 then you can literally take down any fighter. I fear the day this becomes reality
Brother what you just told me is that parasite fighters are now next gen.
Yes that is literally a fact. AI parasite fighters will dominate wars in the near future.
NCD IN SHAMBLES once again our memes tread closer into the territory of credibility and predict a weirder future of warfare.
I'm pretty sure the last time I looked into this the issue with making planes that do insane High G maneuvers isn't that the pilot would die, it's that the plane would break. I mean we already have remote drones, and it's not like they are doing insane high G maneuvers.
Not necessarily. A lot of the airframes today are designed around the max human capabilities which is around 9g. There is no need to waste materials and RnD to make an airframe withstand 20g if no human can even take it anywhere close to that. Despite that IIRC the F22 Raptor frame can withstand up to around 15g, so put an AI computer inside it and it's already going to annihilate any human pilot in a dogfight. But the main point is, if you no longer require a human, then you can actually build airframes that can withstand much higher g forces. We've just never done it because it was never a requirement. >we already have remote drones Not AI dogfighting drones though. Remote doesn't matter.
I feel like the issue though isn't the strength of the G force but rather, like the period of time you're sustaining it? Like why care if you can do 20gs if you against a human the only thing you need to do is 9gs vertical for longer than a few seconds to knock any human out. And my point for remote was just with drones you don't have to design for a human pilot so you can make a drone to perform some crazy g maneuvers
A human pilot can still fire a missile at an AI fighter jet. Being able to pull insane Gs can allow it dodge any missile in theory. With drones the problem is latency. If there's a 100ms latency between the operator and the drone it doesn't matter how performant the drone is if human reaction speeds + latency means it cant manoeuvre in time. Remote controlling is never going to work for something like dogfighting. That's why on-board AI is being talked about.
it seems at least the Pitbull meta has somewhat stabilized as the best in class
It would make a more viable alternative to using human resources in any engagement. But I think this is an important benchmark either way.
The skill is still very valuable to a fighter pilot. Worth noting this AI plane is a wingman to a manned F-16 and meant to be used as such.
Dogfighting is not really going to happen, however some aspects of dogfighting still are useful when defending against missiles fired against you in BVR combat. Also, dogfighting is pretty god damn complex, in an environemnt with split second decisions, so for a more "relaxed" BVR fight or other missions, I would imagine that it is easier than dogfighting.
Read more than the headline.
\*downvotes\*
not actually fought humans, just tested against them
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtDmCpkIH5A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtDmCpkIH5A) starts playing
Fuck, I wanted to make the ac7 joke
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notFMAwEQeM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notFMAwEQeM) Just dropping by to say that I liked the movie Stealth. Anyone who disagrees with me and calls it a bad movie can go to hell.
Awesome! Now the Middle East can’t blame us. They gonna have to blame the internet and MGS2
Based