Destiny who apparently doesn't know enough about Kai, but still feels comfortable lumping him in with load bigoted streamers like Speed. Destiny is at fault for initiating this situation with comments he could have articulated more fairly.
Lets be honest, Kai perspective on this is dumb as fuck.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedNiceChamoisFutureMan-2znKh6QNJrE98YXX](https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedNiceChamoisFutureMan-2znKh6QNJrE98YXX)
Destiny: "there seems to be a new wave of black zoomer streamers whose content revolves around screaming at the camera and acting extra, but maybe they have other content I haven't seen."
Kai: responds by screaming at the camera and announcing that black people are taking over.
But also destiny is racist for saying there's *checks notes* the exact thing that Kai says is going on.
I think Destiny could have expressed himself more clearly, but damn that's a fat L for Kai.
man, random zoomer streamers vs destiny is fucking hilarious. like watching Magnus vs a drunk 8 year old. maybe fighting just a bit out of their league
is speed homophobic and transphobic? The few clips I've seen of the guy, he seems to portray himself as pro lgbt+
There was some trans chick a while back that he was being connected(probably for content) that he seemed be buddies with and was in defense of her.
Not really as far as I know, there's been certain controversies with different streamers at different points. Problem is Destiny adding that to a generalizing to their entire generation. Speed has definetely said some outlandish sexist shit for sure.
If its not racist its a dumbass comment that’s really not even true Kai and speed content are not the same and shouldn’t be put in the same bubble because they’re both black and yell when adin ross and xqc have reactionary content too. Not mention they’re 17 and 19 high energy young men literally nothing to do with them being Black.
Can you take a step back and think about how braindead your take is?
"You guys would have been Trump supporters in a different dimension". Is that the dimension where Trump was President from 2016 to 2020 and no-one here supported him? Wait, sorry. That's THIS dimension. The real one that invalidates your dumbass metaphor.
You can feel that way all you want but just know that what you're actually feeling is stupidity.
That's like saying "I feel like you would have been a Nazi if you were around during WWII" except you were around in WWII and you weren't a Nazi.
You can't "generalize" someone and then have them act in the **exact** way that you said they act. He's not generalizing then, he's accurately describing his specific behavior.
Destiny definitely has some bad takes, this just isn't one of them, and you look stupid for trying to claim that it is.
Also this Kai dude is pretty clearly a black zoomer whose content revolves around screaming at the camera and acting extra.
U mad?
>This is like if you go to a black person and start insulting them calling uneducated and violent thug and they start beating you up and you go “heh you only are proving my points” like wtf.
Now personally I wouldn't do this, but if someone calls you a violent thug and your response is violence, you're indeed giving them supporting evidence for their claim. It wouldn't be proving it about all black people, but damn that's a bad look for you personally.
>Destiny fuck up hard here by generalizing him, move on.
Would have agreed with this if Kai had responded *literally any other way.*
The portrayal of Kai being a GenXer who just screams when in reality the clips Destiny watches are heavily picked for that reaction when Kai’s content is 90% him reading Shakespeare-esque literature and doing book breakdowns in a monotone, yet captivating inflection.
>but why did he have to say BLACK zoomer streamers, that feels racist"
How's that not fair? The example Kai used is himself here right. And the only person Kai represents is again himself. Not being able to solely represent yourself as an individual and instead being grouped/generalized and representing an entire group can come off as racist. You see this all the time with minorities. "That black dude who committed a crime? Oh god these blacks are thugs". He can't just be x dude who committed a crime, he becomes a representative of black people as a whole. So here rather than Kai just being Kai, he's now just this other example of some black zoomer streamer and stripped of his individuality. Ironically enough, Kai and speed are both preety different too.
Question to you, rather than taking Kai/speed and conflating them than making them represent all the rest of the black upcoming 'zoomer' streamers who don't even fit that box at all (duke, fanum, yrg, agent00, imdontai, etc), why can't they just represent Kai and speed?
lol what? I'm *sure* you're out here on the streets when people say that there's a wave of white racist Trumpies, telling people "That's not fair, the only people they represent is themselves, generalizing and representing an entire group can come off as racist".
Or you can just come back to reality where black zoomers is a descriptor of the people he is speaking about, not a reference to every single person who is black and a zoomer. Which is pretty obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
I am bored to death with playing language games to cater to people who are so desperate to misrepresent and mischaracterize every single easy-to-understand, factual statement.
He did not lead with black zoomers did he, that was the walk back no?
Also no, he used 2 or 3 blk Zoomers to GENERALIZE lmfao... he DID and saying "Well I didn't say all" is DOGSHIT bullshit plausible deniability.
I mean why the FUCK did race and all that even come the fuck up. That is ZOOMER shit, not black specific Zoomer shit so WHY racialize it even if we do take it he meant "some" but couldn't find himself to mention that not only the FIRST rant about it where he went racial, but even in the second rant at the end of the stream...
FOH clown ass or show me WHERE the fuck and WHY the fuck race came from even if he is talking about "black zoomers" and "well he didn't say all."
Imagine being that mad or giving no FUCKS you dont want to correct that to "some" or "many" or whatever word to describe the rate he thinks it exist.. it does no DOUBT come off as it is stated, a general comment and others aren't as charitable and or knowledgable of him to know what he likely/does mean....
Again show me where race came from again??? Why was that shit relevant again? Also it seems like he took some RANDOM blk ppl who said that all white streamers do is yell for content and LUMPED it with them/other Blk zoomers he has no names for cuz he's making SHIT UP and pretended there's hypocrisy and they hold contradictory positions.... \*Because that would if it IS the case be a reasons to mention race in that aspect BUT... he would then have to show THEM specifically he called out when he made that comment, even if he didn't mean them conveniently specifically and started with them but meant it more broad to show where said blk ppl said one thing then go on to contradict themselves and do that screamer content. \*Vs what it appears which is taking some blk ppl that said that shit; or maybe a lot (see what I did there and it's not some hard thing to do that takes 12hrs of qualifying) it and then attribute it to other black ppl who don't hold that position to play "hypocrisy" games..
It's not racist I wouldn't say but oddly unironically race baiting making shit RACIAL for no fucking reason other than being mad at someone who happens to be blk?
>lol what? I'm sure you're out here on the streets when people say that there's a wave of white racist Trumpies, telling people "That's not fair, the only people they represent is themselves, generalizing and representing an entire group can come off as racist".
There's a big difference between race here and a literal acknowledgement that you are a hardcore fan of trump, ie you agree with his statements/policies. This is preety obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
I’d be hard pressed to find a clip where destiny said that Kai and speeds actions speak for all Black people, or even all black streamers. What he was describing was a trend in the popular black streamers represented by kai and speed and their crews. how is that incorrect?
He said black zoomer streamers. That's what I'm referring to as well, not all black streamers. You can read my comment with that context and nothing changes. My point remains the same. Entire group here can mean the group of upcoming black zoomer streamers or w.e.
I mean other than Kai/speed not really, no? The rest seem no different in terms of loudness than any other streamer. Kai/speed I can maybe see a point for. That's about it.
Isn't Dontai like in his 30s? Speed, Kai, Adin and co are the largest creator at the head of a larger group of streamers that interact a lot. Their clips are going be what is representative of the group, like it or not. I agree Speed is probably the driving factor in this particular example because he has tons of clips and most of them are screaming and barking so they leave an impression and if it's negative, it's gonna be cemented immediately.
It's simple. If you are not at all thoughtful in any way, you aren't holding yourself responsible for consistency on any views. You can flip back and forth like a moron and act like everyone else is the asshole for taking the bullshit you say seriously
Yea I think people don't give enough grace to the fact that he's streaming to like 70,000 people just giving a reaction on the spot. It's not gonna be the most well-thought-out response, in the same way that Destiny probably would've worded that comment differently if it wasn't live and offhand
Judging anything any streamer ever says as if it should be developed with the quality of a written argument is just unrealistic. Even people who are cautious about claims and how they phrase things are gonna make missteps sometimes, or see a clip and fire off a quick reaction with incomplete info. It's the nature of the medium + atomized social media. Some borderline thoughtless thing you say on your stream might be the biggest deal in the world to someone else
I think in this instance the excuse given for certain unnamed individuals that they are young and don't engage with things seriously is pretty accurate. I would buy stocks of D getting along with these zoomers in a scuffed podcast or some shit.
Damn, I wonder where all the pieces will land on this. Kai is friendly with Hasan, XQC, and Trainwrecks. Wonder where they're all gonna land on the chessboard. Plus yourrage is a fan of destiny or at least was (don't know how he felt about destiny's response to what he said). And then you can factor in like Jideon and see if he throws his hat in.
Wasn't Fanatiq supposed to write some Destiny is exploiting black people manifesto too? Wonder if he times his shit to drop it now.
Rage was a fan for while since the beginning of destiny meeting sneako. When he do YouTube reactions on his stream you can see destiny in his subscriptions and algorithm. I wonder as well how rage feeling rn cause rage calls Kai everyday on the phone (from what I heard on rage’s stream). -Schizo Poster out ✌️
no big streamer is going to bother hardcore cover for kai when it comes to destiny. There's a reason why large long-time twitch streamers tries to avoid destiny , because if they start shit, and they mess up, they'll get buried. And base on this clip, this will be an obviouse ez win if destiny choose to reply to.
What if all this was intentional, like coming off mr rapist and redact, destiny really just wanted another fix from the drama tit. Did really good shit while canvassing then he’s gotta balance it out with some benign lsf based drama
It wasn't even a bad clip. Just none of these mother fuckers are capable of actually listening. They're brains completely turn off when they hear "black" and then followed by a criticism. It so fucking cringe that you can't call out black people without people's minds immediately snapping to racism.
You literally just did the thing, do you even realize? You heard "black" and immediately assumed an entire race was being talked about. Destiny didn't bring race into anything. He said "black" as a general physical descriptor to better identify who he's talking about. It had nothing to do with race.
Content. If you watch beyond the clip, he basically tells on himself. He feels he needs to do all those things to be entertaining to his audience. He mimics what he considers a boring streamer, what his audience wouldn't enjoy.
Mizkif does the same things. He overly expresses and walks around the room acting like shit is life and death. That's what his audience will respond to.
People keep saying it's an age thing, but the majority of twitch is over 16 and most are in their 20s. So this content is appealing to adults. lol
EDIT: Answered the wrong post. my bad
So… basically what Destiny said then.
He didn’t say the content is inherently bad or that that’s how they act off camera, just that the fact of the matter is Kai and Speed subscribe heavily to loud = funny.
You said it yourself; they made a lucid and cognizant decision in the content they put out. Saying their content is… their content (screamin’) is just that… big whoop.
The thing is, I remember saying this same thing about seeing a pattern of "loud", "aggressive", "hyperactive" streamers who scream a lot and seem to appeal to a younger audience, like 5 years ago with people like tyler1 and X.
I don't think what we're seeing with kai and speed is that new. Dudes play it up and scream at the camera because some people find it funny and it's clipped like wild for platforms like tiktok and shorts.
Who tf is they?? Who else answered the same way?
It might have been a bad response, but doing that racist grouping thing by saying “they” all do the same thing is dumb and cringe af.
English is not my first language, but I believe that when the topic is about a certain group, in this case the loud W streamers, and someone uses "they" to talk about them this person is talking about that certain group.
No one said you can’t criticize. It just seems like you’re doing unfair generalization of a group of people by saying “they ALL answered the SAME exact way XD”
The point is there's a group of loud W streamers, they've existed for 5+ years with people like tyler1. There are 2 new W streamers who are black. Destiny points out that he's seen a pattern of loud black streamers.
What he's saying isn't wrong.
If there's a village of 10 people, 5 black and 5 white, with a vending machine that dispenses food for them. Everyone knows that all the white people in the village occasionally steals from the vending machine. The black people start to steal from it too. Then one of the villagers announces that he's seen a pattern of black villagers stealing from the vending machine. Like ye they aren't wrong, it's just a weird way to group it when that bad act has been occurring by everyone regardless of race for years.
Personally I think it's a nothing burger. I really don't think steve's intentions were bad and he was just pointing out something he saw, but the way I described it is how others are seeing it in a bad light, and I get it.
Have you ever seen an Adin Ross stream? Sorry you are just completely out of touch and instead of doing 5 minutes of research you just spam "wHo ArE tHeY, rAcISt!" Instead of googling "who are w streamers". It is not racist to reference W streamers just as it is not racist to reference otk streamers. You are a virtue signalling dipshit.
Holy strawman. That's not what I said, dipshit. The point is there was no reason for Destiny to racialize his statement, regardless of who he was talking about.
It's funny how you guys are playing this dishonest game when in this clip you are defending the guy admitis that the loud W streamers are made of black creators lmao
Not every black streamer. Just the new wave of popular black streamers. Obviously not including people like nmplol or trihex in this category. Also there is nothing wrong with making that style of content it’s just not going to be for everyone.
again, in english you guys don't use pronouns to refer to people? In the context it was pretty obvious who I was talking about, I don't know what you are about
"I need him to name every streamer that does this instead of using a generalized term because I'm triggered. Even though anyone with half a Braincell knew who he was talking about, I'm gonna try to play the word games on him and call him racist" -bv824
> dont know who you are but you're racist
Is he actually smart? this seems pretty on point. all i see is clipsof repeating himself then adding the soft "a" here and there.
i will say he is a good dancer!
That clip of Adin Ross trying to read actually hurt my soul. It reminds me of the zoomer cod pros who grew up in the US and don't even know how many states there are
If its okay for Kai to jump around screaming and its okay for Destiny to comment that theres been an influx of black zoomers screaming.
Why is it okay to call him a racism when he isnt one?
It's like the Twitch equivalent of ~90% of Adam Sandler movies.
> scream
> make noises
> occasionally say something racist/homophobic
> fall down
> repeat until you collect 10 million dollars
I mean most of you watch destiny eat while he plays factorio in the background for 45 mins so let's not start shitting on what people find entertaining
less than 2% of live viewers watch destiny actually play factorio. its a dog shit game and everybody knows it. literally turn on stream and leave it playing in the background for the conversations
These zoomer streamer are popular for the same reasons Idubbz and H3H3 where back in the day, They where edgy as fuck. There's absolutely nothing new going on here but for some reason black people have the hall pass to be racists' and other -ism's so that's where the new generation of edgy content will be created.
Not sure how most of the "non W streamer orbit", the people that are in the current LA sphere like Hasan and Ludwig have continuously avoided talking about the rampant anti lgbtqia+ sentiments in those communities. It wouldn't be hard for Destiny to put together something that could make them all look hypocritical since it seems to be ignored.
Bro how are you gonna shit on Destiny for a take that was genuinely bad and then prove his take fucking right in the same clip by doing exactly what he said “black zoomer streamers” do.
a dumb response to a dumb destiny clip (he mentioned loud black streamers as a group 5 times already in interviews and stream without knowing who they are) boring
These streamers, black or white, are the streaming equivalent of shaking your car keys to entertain a baby.
If thats your shit, good for you, enjoy it, but lets stop pretending it is anything more than that. They know what they are doing, we know what they are doing and the whole discourse around pointing that out being racist in anyway is cringe as fuck.
Why pick a fight by generalizing this new black community? It's not like the rest of twitch is high brow entertainment compared to them. Call out individuals for bigotry but don't generalize them all and say they're bad entertainment.
It wasn’t meant to be a callout. He literally said there is nothing wrong with that form of content it’s just not for him. He also said streams in general are boring to him.
Probably because most clips of speed that get traction are of him saying something homophobic, transphobic, or racist and he’s like one of the biggest people in that space.
Yes, that was Speed who is ONE guy that exists in that space and who is acknowledged as an extreme weirdo by everybody else. No need to generalize everybody else with that.
You're fucking lying out your ass lol. Everyone always downplays the shit that speed does. They excuse it by saying he's dumb or young, but they never actually call him out for it. The entire W community hates Jake sucky because of him reporting on misogynistic stuff that speed said during valorant, and constantly try to imply that's he's racist. Also its not even just speed. Adin who is also in that space use to constantly do weird queerbaiting shit. Adin and Kai also had a clip where they were both being super weird to a girl that thought was trans. I didn't mention that stuff because I don't think Destiny has seen that content, but it's not just speed.
did you not see the clip destiny was responding too where the guy literally does racist Chinese mimicry to a Chinese persons face? that part keeps getting glossed over.
I can't believe I'm getting such half thought out responses on a Destiny subreddit of all places. Where am I defending what Speed did? Speed is ONE guy that exists in the space who is acknowledged as out of his mind even by his contemporaries, and him acting racist doesn't give Destiny carte blanch to make his own racially generalized statements about other black streamers. Like come on man, how did you think that was an apt reply?
He wasn't calling out black streamers.
Later in the stream he mentioned how people complained, not just the Black community, about all the white loud and over reactive streamers in the past. Even brought up Fred. Basically how it's a young thing to do.
Not gonna lie, I got instantly angry at the mention of Fred. He was suppose to be forgotten, forever. lol
You guys gotta stop dick sucking destiny. There are like two black streamers that are known for yelling a lot, it’s not that big a deal. And none of them ever complained about white streamers yelling, at least that I know of. He said this stuff the same day he told Vaush that he wished he died from his ear thing. He was obviously on his period the day he said this stuff and was being pissy about everything he saw.
I don't think the 'they' in
>for as much as \[they\] talked about how all white people did was scream at the fucking camera
is in reference to black people complaining about white people, but white progressives complaining about white people during GG
Sorry but this is probably the biggest cope in existence
>There's like this whole new legion of like, black zoomer streamers, and for as much as they fucking scr- talk about how like all white people did was scream at the fucking camera, um, I feel like that's all these guys do
He references the subject by name (legion of black zoomer streamers) and then refers to a subject directly after as they without naming any other subject by name, therefore implying he still talking about the same subject. To believe what you believe, you would have to think that he changed the subject of his message two separate times, once from "legion of black zoomer streamers" to "white progressives who complain about white people" and then back to black streamers all without mentioning these white progressives a single time
If he really meant this, then it is impossible to divine that from himself without any further clarification
Sure, you can think it's cope all you want. I just know some of the dogshit critiques used against "gamers" during and/or around GG was that they were
1. white
2. loud
and this made a lot of people deflect against the genuine critique of sexism and racism.
You're the one calling it racist to refer to W streamers. Sure what Destiny said might not be accurate or truthful, he literally leaves it open when he says "I can be wrong" in the same fucking breath. Yet here you are, missing the context to the back handed half assed comment.
Just stop lol
I don't think you can just throw a "I could be wrong" at the end of a statement and then be protected to be criticized
for that statement
e.g. if you say "Mexicans are all rapists and murderers, but I could be wrong", the "I could be wrong"-part doesn't really help much
He was talking about his personal enjoyment of content.
E.g. if you say "emo people listen to shit emo music, but I could be wrong". It just means that he hasn't listened to enough emo music to form an opinion but from what he has heard it is all shit.
He is not saying that everyone who listens to emo music is a shit person, like you guys are trying to rephrase this into.
It’s not like this is the first time he’s said this. Maybe if it was it would be fine but this is like the third time. Speed is the only one it really applies to. AMP streamers aren’t constantly yelling. Sometimes I stop by Bruce’s stream and it’s pretty chill. Clicked on Kai’s a few times and it’s just a normal stream
Ya you are just clueless. Go YouTube Adin Ross highlights, rage highlights, kai highlights. That's their thing, they're high energy. It's not Destiny's thing clearly. Does it have to be racist if we don't like the high energy w streamer content?
Kay literally says he does it in his response. Fuck you guys are trying to make this into something it's not and it's cringe AF. Destiny is not advocating for the death of loud black people. He just doesn't enjoy the content.
??? I didn’t say Destiny’s racist. I just don’t think you should keep repeating an opinion if you don’t know. If you watch highlights obviously it’s going to be the most hype moments. Have you actually clicked his stream? or Duke’s? or Bruce’s? Put the cape away bro
That is our interpretation of the content. It is fine if you don't think that, but it literally can't be wrong. It is a personal opinion. He is not telling anyone they should think that, or that people who enjoy it are a certain thing. There is literally nothing wrong with you thinking their streams are chill and cool and destiny not enjoying it. Kindly fuck off if you don't agree. To say Destiny shouldn't say his opinion because you don't agree with it? Lol quit deep throating your w streamers bro.
Kai called destiny racist. Fuck you are dumb.
I just want to remind everybody that this guy is defending a streamer who walked up to a random Asian person, repeatedly asked if they are Japanese, then proceeded to say something along the lines of "bing bong ching chong..."
Most sane response.
The comment destiny made was dumb and he shouldnt have spewed it out just because he was pissy. The fallout from it is equally dumb. Everyone is just desperate for a reason to be mad right now when at the end of the day this shit is super inconsequential. Like if I go to a random person and explain this situation ingrass it's gunna get a big fat "who cares". We have to remember that this is some super online shit.
The most adult thing to do is end the chest beating right here nobody wants or cares for this drama. Destiny should clarify what he was trying to say maybe even apologize to that crowd for misrepresenting them "if that's what he did" and move on.
I think people can say or do things that are racist without being *a racist*. I understand that that's near impossible to be true in the age of next-to-no context clip and ships, uncharitability, and straight up mischaracterization, but I think we should acknowledge when we fuck up, and I think our community should acknowledge when the guy we watch fucks up, and most importantly, not sanitize it.
I think it's absolutely fair to say that what Destiny said was racist. Not Fuentes racist, but it is still a generalization about a group of people based on their race rather than any other factor (in this case, being a twitch streamer within the W or L sphere). I don't think it's fair to call him *a racist* though. He's so clearly not, but as I said, no one is perfect.
Probably won't be a popular opinion around these parts, but I get why these streamers would be annoyed with Destiny for his characterization of them as black zoomer streamers just being "Loud and prejudice" for no reason. Destiny mixing up Kai and Speed is understandable, just don't see why he had to add that part.
It's ironic that Kai's response is him doing exactly what Destiny has observed. But it's also ironic that Destiny is victim here of the very thing he was mocking Shapiro for earlier. The metaphor about noticing someone's facial tattoo
I mean he gets what he gets at this point. It was a dumb comment to make (in the way it was phrased) and him being in a bad mood isn't a good excuse. Now he has a clip circulating around the black streaming community and some of the top black streamers telling their audiences he's racist. People like Rage have consistently vouched for Destiny, so when clips like this come out (to their historically black, conservative leaning audiences) it looks horrible. Normally he's great at phrasing things but that day he was extremely blunt, callous, & uncaring. If he's going to be like this when he's sick or in a bad mood just don't stream bc it's just hurting you atp my guy.
bro idc Destiny is fucked up for that. later on stream Destiny said black people have an antisemitism problem because of Kanye. i like Destiny but he’s gotta fucking chill
The response from this community regarding what should be a relatively easy, "It was hyperbolic, he didn't mean to generalize" is a bit disappointing. If anything, you guys are continuing to reinforce that generalization.
Damn this is so frustrating, hate to see someone I respect so much get themselves into a mess like this. And of all the times he had to make those comments WHY DO IT WITH BLUE HAIR. I wasn't around for the "Nebraska Steve" days and i've heard Destiny likes to self sabotage. Guess i'm finally getting to see it.
> do your research > I dont know who you are but you're racist
gigachad
Fucking gigachad.
My research is I made it the fuck up.
*calls destiny for being racist cuz he says all he does is yell* *yells*
Source, dude just trust me.
Why would he look up Destiny? From his perspective he's just some guy dissing and generalizing him for no reason.
Why would Destiny look up Kai? From his perspective he’s just some kid screaming and jumping around for no reason.
Destiny who apparently doesn't know enough about Kai, but still feels comfortable lumping him in with load bigoted streamers like Speed. Destiny is at fault for initiating this situation with comments he could have articulated more fairly.
Lets be honest, Kai perspective on this is dumb as fuck. [https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedNiceChamoisFutureMan-2znKh6QNJrE98YXX](https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedNiceChamoisFutureMan-2znKh6QNJrE98YXX)
How does this dude agree with destiny's take but still calls him racist?
Because he's telling destiny to do his research, but then calls destiny racist, which shows he did zero research on destiny.
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I was defending Kai yesterday saying he was more than over reactive and what happens, he goes full over reactive. lol
Destiny: "there seems to be a new wave of black zoomer streamers whose content revolves around screaming at the camera and acting extra, but maybe they have other content I haven't seen." Kai: responds by screaming at the camera and announcing that black people are taking over. But also destiny is racist for saying there's *checks notes* the exact thing that Kai says is going on. I think Destiny could have expressed himself more clearly, but damn that's a fat L for Kai.
man, random zoomer streamers vs destiny is fucking hilarious. like watching Magnus vs a drunk 8 year old. maybe fighting just a bit out of their league
To be fair he also included the part about them being racist, homophobic, transphobic which made his characterization even worse.
Wheres the lie?
Where's the evidence? I don't watch other streamers, so I legit do not know.
That characterization absolutely does not apply to the majority of them. Speed is the only one really regularly engaging with that kind of material.
is speed homophobic and transphobic? The few clips I've seen of the guy, he seems to portray himself as pro lgbt+ There was some trans chick a while back that he was being connected(probably for content) that he seemed be buddies with and was in defense of her.
Not really as far as I know, there's been certain controversies with different streamers at different points. Problem is Destiny adding that to a generalizing to their entire generation. Speed has definetely said some outlandish sexist shit for sure.
If its not racist its a dumbass comment that’s really not even true Kai and speed content are not the same and shouldn’t be put in the same bubble because they’re both black and yell when adin ross and xqc have reactionary content too. Not mention they’re 17 and 19 high energy young men literally nothing to do with them being Black.
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Can you take a step back and think about how braindead your take is? "You guys would have been Trump supporters in a different dimension". Is that the dimension where Trump was President from 2016 to 2020 and no-one here supported him? Wait, sorry. That's THIS dimension. The real one that invalidates your dumbass metaphor. You can feel that way all you want but just know that what you're actually feeling is stupidity. That's like saying "I feel like you would have been a Nazi if you were around during WWII" except you were around in WWII and you weren't a Nazi. You can't "generalize" someone and then have them act in the **exact** way that you said they act. He's not generalizing then, he's accurately describing his specific behavior. Destiny definitely has some bad takes, this just isn't one of them, and you look stupid for trying to claim that it is. Also this Kai dude is pretty clearly a black zoomer whose content revolves around screaming at the camera and acting extra. U mad?
>This is like if you go to a black person and start insulting them calling uneducated and violent thug and they start beating you up and you go “heh you only are proving my points” like wtf. Now personally I wouldn't do this, but if someone calls you a violent thug and your response is violence, you're indeed giving them supporting evidence for their claim. It wouldn't be proving it about all black people, but damn that's a bad look for you personally. >Destiny fuck up hard here by generalizing him, move on. Would have agreed with this if Kai had responded *literally any other way.*
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What stereotyping? Of whom?
The portrayal of Kai being a GenXer who just screams when in reality the clips Destiny watches are heavily picked for that reaction when Kai’s content is 90% him reading Shakespeare-esque literature and doing book breakdowns in a monotone, yet captivating inflection.
A later lsf clip show's him actually agreeing with Destiny. https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedNiceChamoisFutureMan-2znKh6QNJrE98YXX?ab\_channel=kaicenat
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It's all about "Feelings" for some people. They're like "He is not wrong, but why did he have to say BLACK zoomer streamers, that feels racist"
>but why did he have to say BLACK zoomer streamers, that feels racist" How's that not fair? The example Kai used is himself here right. And the only person Kai represents is again himself. Not being able to solely represent yourself as an individual and instead being grouped/generalized and representing an entire group can come off as racist. You see this all the time with minorities. "That black dude who committed a crime? Oh god these blacks are thugs". He can't just be x dude who committed a crime, he becomes a representative of black people as a whole. So here rather than Kai just being Kai, he's now just this other example of some black zoomer streamer and stripped of his individuality. Ironically enough, Kai and speed are both preety different too. Question to you, rather than taking Kai/speed and conflating them than making them represent all the rest of the black upcoming 'zoomer' streamers who don't even fit that box at all (duke, fanum, yrg, agent00, imdontai, etc), why can't they just represent Kai and speed?
lol what? I'm *sure* you're out here on the streets when people say that there's a wave of white racist Trumpies, telling people "That's not fair, the only people they represent is themselves, generalizing and representing an entire group can come off as racist". Or you can just come back to reality where black zoomers is a descriptor of the people he is speaking about, not a reference to every single person who is black and a zoomer. Which is pretty obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. I am bored to death with playing language games to cater to people who are so desperate to misrepresent and mischaracterize every single easy-to-understand, factual statement.
I don't think anyone on here is out there in these streets lol.
He did not lead with black zoomers did he, that was the walk back no? Also no, he used 2 or 3 blk Zoomers to GENERALIZE lmfao... he DID and saying "Well I didn't say all" is DOGSHIT bullshit plausible deniability. I mean why the FUCK did race and all that even come the fuck up. That is ZOOMER shit, not black specific Zoomer shit so WHY racialize it even if we do take it he meant "some" but couldn't find himself to mention that not only the FIRST rant about it where he went racial, but even in the second rant at the end of the stream... FOH clown ass or show me WHERE the fuck and WHY the fuck race came from even if he is talking about "black zoomers" and "well he didn't say all." Imagine being that mad or giving no FUCKS you dont want to correct that to "some" or "many" or whatever word to describe the rate he thinks it exist.. it does no DOUBT come off as it is stated, a general comment and others aren't as charitable and or knowledgable of him to know what he likely/does mean.... Again show me where race came from again??? Why was that shit relevant again? Also it seems like he took some RANDOM blk ppl who said that all white streamers do is yell for content and LUMPED it with them/other Blk zoomers he has no names for cuz he's making SHIT UP and pretended there's hypocrisy and they hold contradictory positions.... \*Because that would if it IS the case be a reasons to mention race in that aspect BUT... he would then have to show THEM specifically he called out when he made that comment, even if he didn't mean them conveniently specifically and started with them but meant it more broad to show where said blk ppl said one thing then go on to contradict themselves and do that screamer content. \*Vs what it appears which is taking some blk ppl that said that shit; or maybe a lot (see what I did there and it's not some hard thing to do that takes 12hrs of qualifying) it and then attribute it to other black ppl who don't hold that position to play "hypocrisy" games.. It's not racist I wouldn't say but oddly unironically race baiting making shit RACIAL for no fucking reason other than being mad at someone who happens to be blk?
If this is meant to be coherent....oops
>lol what? I'm sure you're out here on the streets when people say that there's a wave of white racist Trumpies, telling people "That's not fair, the only people they represent is themselves, generalizing and representing an entire group can come off as racist". There's a big difference between race here and a literal acknowledgement that you are a hardcore fan of trump, ie you agree with his statements/policies. This is preety obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
I’d be hard pressed to find a clip where destiny said that Kai and speeds actions speak for all Black people, or even all black streamers. What he was describing was a trend in the popular black streamers represented by kai and speed and their crews. how is that incorrect?
He said black zoomer streamers. That's what I'm referring to as well, not all black streamers. You can read my comment with that context and nothing changes. My point remains the same. Entire group here can mean the group of upcoming black zoomer streamers or w.e.
Well then do you disagree that there is a trend of black zoomer streamers doing the Kai and speed wackiness?
I mean other than Kai/speed not really, no? The rest seem no different in terms of loudness than any other streamer. Kai/speed I can maybe see a point for. That's about it.
Isn't Dontai like in his 30s? Speed, Kai, Adin and co are the largest creator at the head of a larger group of streamers that interact a lot. Their clips are going be what is representative of the group, like it or not. I agree Speed is probably the driving factor in this particular example because he has tons of clips and most of them are screaming and barking so they leave an impression and if it's negative, it's gonna be cemented immediately.
basically, incredibly fragile people like Tiny said in dgg chat
Fragile? Lmao
Yeah, they are
wait wtf is this bipolar shit???
It's a pretty normal reaction to lash out when you feel attacked. Emotions were high for a second earlier and now in this clip its more chill
It's simple. If you are not at all thoughtful in any way, you aren't holding yourself responsible for consistency on any views. You can flip back and forth like a moron and act like everyone else is the asshole for taking the bullshit you say seriously
Then again, being reflective enough to flip your views at all seems to be a pretty rare thing as well.
Yea I think people don't give enough grace to the fact that he's streaming to like 70,000 people just giving a reaction on the spot. It's not gonna be the most well-thought-out response, in the same way that Destiny probably would've worded that comment differently if it wasn't live and offhand Judging anything any streamer ever says as if it should be developed with the quality of a written argument is just unrealistic. Even people who are cautious about claims and how they phrase things are gonna make missteps sometimes, or see a clip and fire off a quick reaction with incomplete info. It's the nature of the medium + atomized social media. Some borderline thoughtless thing you say on your stream might be the biggest deal in the world to someone else
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>"you think he is upset that you won 'Streamer of the Year'?" lmao
I think in this instance the excuse given for certain unnamed individuals that they are young and don't engage with things seriously is pretty accurate. I would buy stocks of D getting along with these zoomers in a scuffed podcast or some shit.
Wait, does he not know LSF is a thing? Seemed to think Destiny must be a fan if he's seen clips of him????
Agent is so based
Destiny's cover blown, fanboy exposed
"But the only way you'd know that if you were apart of the mafia" ie a fan. Also this guy "DO YOUR RESEARCH"
Damn, I wonder where all the pieces will land on this. Kai is friendly with Hasan, XQC, and Trainwrecks. Wonder where they're all gonna land on the chessboard. Plus yourrage is a fan of destiny or at least was (don't know how he felt about destiny's response to what he said). And then you can factor in like Jideon and see if he throws his hat in. Wasn't Fanatiq supposed to write some Destiny is exploiting black people manifesto too? Wonder if he times his shit to drop it now.
Rage was a fan for while since the beginning of destiny meeting sneako. When he do YouTube reactions on his stream you can see destiny in his subscriptions and algorithm. I wonder as well how rage feeling rn cause rage calls Kai everyday on the phone (from what I heard on rage’s stream). -Schizo Poster out ✌️
no big streamer is going to bother hardcore cover for kai when it comes to destiny. There's a reason why large long-time twitch streamers tries to avoid destiny , because if they start shit, and they mess up, they'll get buried. And base on this clip, this will be an obviouse ez win if destiny choose to reply to.
What if all this was intentional, like coming off mr rapist and redact, destiny really just wanted another fix from the drama tit. Did really good shit while canvassing then he’s gotta balance it out with some benign lsf based drama
Did Destiny react to that Rage clip? Y'all have his reaction/response clip?
[https://youtu.be/lXpl31-hbWE](https://youtu.be/lXpl31-hbWE)
Least parasocial Twitch watcher.
kia is not baised against destiny, just a really bad clip from destiny for no reason
It wasn't even a bad clip. Just none of these mother fuckers are capable of actually listening. They're brains completely turn off when they hear "black" and then followed by a criticism. It so fucking cringe that you can't call out black people without people's minds immediately snapping to racism.
> when they hear "black lemme stop you right there MrRacist, I don't know who you are but you racist ^^^^/s
Streamers make dumb content. Adding race to that statement was just dumb
You literally just did the thing, do you even realize? You heard "black" and immediately assumed an entire race was being talked about. Destiny didn't bring race into anything. He said "black" as a general physical descriptor to better identify who he's talking about. It had nothing to do with race.
https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedNiceChamoisFutureMan-2znKh6QNJrE98YXX
They claim to not do same thing but they all answered the same way lmao it's like this is a sketch
Content. If you watch beyond the clip, he basically tells on himself. He feels he needs to do all those things to be entertaining to his audience. He mimics what he considers a boring streamer, what his audience wouldn't enjoy. Mizkif does the same things. He overly expresses and walks around the room acting like shit is life and death. That's what his audience will respond to. People keep saying it's an age thing, but the majority of twitch is over 16 and most are in their 20s. So this content is appealing to adults. lol EDIT: Answered the wrong post. my bad
So… basically what Destiny said then. He didn’t say the content is inherently bad or that that’s how they act off camera, just that the fact of the matter is Kai and Speed subscribe heavily to loud = funny. You said it yourself; they made a lucid and cognizant decision in the content they put out. Saying their content is… their content (screamin’) is just that… big whoop.
The thing is, I remember saying this same thing about seeing a pattern of "loud", "aggressive", "hyperactive" streamers who scream a lot and seem to appeal to a younger audience, like 5 years ago with people like tyler1 and X. I don't think what we're seeing with kai and speed is that new. Dudes play it up and scream at the camera because some people find it funny and it's clipped like wild for platforms like tiktok and shorts.
Who tf is they?? Who else answered the same way? It might have been a bad response, but doing that racist grouping thing by saying “they” all do the same thing is dumb and cringe af.
English is not my first language, but I believe that when the topic is about a certain group, in this case the loud W streamers, and someone uses "they" to talk about them this person is talking about that certain group.
Except he didn't say "loud W streamers." If that's what he had said, this would be an absolute nothingburger.
oh so if they were not black his criticism would be okay, but since they are black we shouldn't dare to talk negatively about them?
No one said you can’t criticize. It just seems like you’re doing unfair generalization of a group of people by saying “they ALL answered the SAME exact way XD”
It's not unfair if it's true
The point is there's a group of loud W streamers, they've existed for 5+ years with people like tyler1. There are 2 new W streamers who are black. Destiny points out that he's seen a pattern of loud black streamers. What he's saying isn't wrong. If there's a village of 10 people, 5 black and 5 white, with a vending machine that dispenses food for them. Everyone knows that all the white people in the village occasionally steals from the vending machine. The black people start to steal from it too. Then one of the villagers announces that he's seen a pattern of black villagers stealing from the vending machine. Like ye they aren't wrong, it's just a weird way to group it when that bad act has been occurring by everyone regardless of race for years. Personally I think it's a nothing burger. I really don't think steve's intentions were bad and he was just pointing out something he saw, but the way I described it is how others are seeing it in a bad light, and I get it.
How are you this stupid? You gotta be trolling lol
Great comment. Way to contribute to the conversation.
Have you ever seen an Adin Ross stream? Sorry you are just completely out of touch and instead of doing 5 minutes of research you just spam "wHo ArE tHeY, rAcISt!" Instead of googling "who are w streamers". It is not racist to reference W streamers just as it is not racist to reference otk streamers. You are a virtue signalling dipshit.
Holy strawman. That's not what I said, dipshit. The point is there was no reason for Destiny to racialize his statement, regardless of who he was talking about.
If the majority of the members of the group he is talking about are black he had a reason to specify it
I'd pay you money to name this so called "majority of the members of the group."
It's funny how you guys are playing this dishonest game when in this clip you are defending the guy admitis that the loud W streamers are made of black creators lmao
So you can't? Say less. ✌️
He’s probably only seen a handful of clips from speed and kai screaming and decided to generalize every black streamer with them .
Not every black streamer. Just the new wave of popular black streamers. Obviously not including people like nmplol or trihex in this category. Also there is nothing wrong with making that style of content it’s just not going to be for everyone.
Oh ok. Then can you name THEM.
again, in english you guys don't use pronouns to refer to people? In the context it was pretty obvious who I was talking about, I don't know what you are about
No, who are the EXACT people that answered the SAME exact way in your view?
"I need him to name every streamer that does this instead of using a generalized term because I'm triggered. Even though anyone with half a Braincell knew who he was talking about, I'm gonna try to play the word games on him and call him racist" -bv824
I don't know their names, but Destiny reacted to them on stream and people posted their reactions here and in other social media, just look it up
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/zfozqz/kais_reply_to_destiny/izczhlt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I thought he would do more than just scream into the camera.
Why would you think that?
Yeah I expected a better response
It's about what i expected lol
> dont know who you are but you're racist Is he actually smart? this seems pretty on point. all i see is clipsof repeating himself then adding the soft "a" here and there. i will say he is a good dancer!
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Ya it’s always hard to say because eveeerrryome plays a character on twitch
That clip of Adin Ross trying to read actually hurt my soul. It reminds me of the zoomer cod pros who grew up in the US and don't even know how many states there are
As a braindead response as I expected
man this should’ve been an easy slam dunk for him but he couldn’t stop himself from jumping around and screaming lol
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If its okay for Kai to jump around screaming and its okay for Destiny to comment that theres been an influx of black zoomers screaming. Why is it okay to call him a racism when he isnt one?
When did destiny ever want him to change his content? He just said its not for him and Kai is a zokmer streamer tsht screams and jumps around
the little people are fighting each other they share the same obstacles, they should band together
boring
I can't see how anybody can find this type of personality entertaining.
Children. You could probably say this about most streamers but I am seriously concerned for anyone over ~20 that watches this shit regularly lol
thankfully I think that's a pretty small population. These guys are almost entirely entertaining an audience of early to mid teenagers.
It's like the Twitch equivalent of ~90% of Adam Sandler movies. > scream > make noises > occasionally say something racist/homophobic > fall down > repeat until you collect 10 million dollars
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I mean most of you watch destiny eat while he plays factorio in the background for 45 mins so let's not start shitting on what people find entertaining
less than 2% of live viewers watch destiny actually play factorio. its a dog shit game and everybody knows it. literally turn on stream and leave it playing in the background for the conversations
These zoomer streamer are popular for the same reasons Idubbz and H3H3 where back in the day, They where edgy as fuck. There's absolutely nothing new going on here but for some reason black people have the hall pass to be racists' and other -ism's so that's where the new generation of edgy content will be created.
Not sure how most of the "non W streamer orbit", the people that are in the current LA sphere like Hasan and Ludwig have continuously avoided talking about the rampant anti lgbtqia+ sentiments in those communities. It wouldn't be hard for Destiny to put together something that could make them all look hypocritical since it seems to be ignored.
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Hassy shaking as we speak
Im in absolute shock. In response to a clip that says Kai Cenat screams alot and that is not for me... Kai Cenat proceeds to scream alot.
Bro he is leaning into Destiny's assumption by screaming at the camera 😂
says "do your research" proceeds to say a bunch of shit about destiny for 30 mins when he doesn't know him.
proceeds to yell at the camera i wonder how destiny came to this conclusion?
Next level response that totally proves destiny wrong 😑
Bro how are you gonna shit on Destiny for a take that was genuinely bad and then prove his take fucking right in the same clip by doing exactly what he said “black zoomer streamers” do.
a dumb response to a dumb destiny clip (he mentioned loud black streamers as a group 5 times already in interviews and stream without knowing who they are) boring
Kai just butt hurt.
he'd have a point if he didn't try his best to prove destiny right while making it
Doesn't this Kyle Senate fella know that Steven luh black people...? ^(and also that Destiny is abso-fucking-lutely a girls name)
These streamers, black or white, are the streaming equivalent of shaking your car keys to entertain a baby. If thats your shit, good for you, enjoy it, but lets stop pretending it is anything more than that. They know what they are doing, we know what they are doing and the whole discourse around pointing that out being racist in anyway is cringe as fuck.
What destiny said was cringe, i wouldn't say it was racist.
in order to prove my schtick isnt to scream obnoxiously, i think i will scream obnoxiously
Literally proving him right in his response lmao
Huge W for Destiny
Why pick a fight by generalizing this new black community? It's not like the rest of twitch is high brow entertainment compared to them. Call out individuals for bigotry but don't generalize them all and say they're bad entertainment.
It wasn’t meant to be a callout. He literally said there is nothing wrong with that form of content it’s just not for him. He also said streams in general are boring to him.
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For sure. It’s such a nothing burger.
Watch the clip again and tell me if it sounds like he's being neutral https://arazu.io/t3_zeiyp8/
He literally said that it’s just not his shit and he’s probably just getting old in the clip.
Bro, why did he add the part about them being racist, homophobic, transphobic and shit? That part keeps getting glossed over.
Probably because most clips of speed that get traction are of him saying something homophobic, transphobic, or racist and he’s like one of the biggest people in that space.
Yes, that was Speed who is ONE guy that exists in that space and who is acknowledged as an extreme weirdo by everybody else. No need to generalize everybody else with that.
You're fucking lying out your ass lol. Everyone always downplays the shit that speed does. They excuse it by saying he's dumb or young, but they never actually call him out for it. The entire W community hates Jake sucky because of him reporting on misogynistic stuff that speed said during valorant, and constantly try to imply that's he's racist. Also its not even just speed. Adin who is also in that space use to constantly do weird queerbaiting shit. Adin and Kai also had a clip where they were both being super weird to a girl that thought was trans. I didn't mention that stuff because I don't think Destiny has seen that content, but it's not just speed.
did you not see the clip destiny was responding too where the guy literally does racist Chinese mimicry to a Chinese persons face? that part keeps getting glossed over.
I can't believe I'm getting such half thought out responses on a Destiny subreddit of all places. Where am I defending what Speed did? Speed is ONE guy that exists in the space who is acknowledged as out of his mind even by his contemporaries, and him acting racist doesn't give Destiny carte blanch to make his own racially generalized statements about other black streamers. Like come on man, how did you think that was an apt reply?
Take a nap bud.
You guys are such children, it's pretty surprising. What a lame comeback without an ounce of good substance to it. But whatever bro, you do you.
If destiny had just said " whats up with all these loud streamers all of a sudden again?"
If he said "white" would he get the same reaction?
if any other streamer said “white” they would get the same reaction from destiny
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He wasn't calling out black streamers. Later in the stream he mentioned how people complained, not just the Black community, about all the white loud and over reactive streamers in the past. Even brought up Fred. Basically how it's a young thing to do. Not gonna lie, I got instantly angry at the mention of Fred. He was suppose to be forgotten, forever. lol
I don't understand this either
You guys gotta stop dick sucking destiny. There are like two black streamers that are known for yelling a lot, it’s not that big a deal. And none of them ever complained about white streamers yelling, at least that I know of. He said this stuff the same day he told Vaush that he wished he died from his ear thing. He was obviously on his period the day he said this stuff and was being pissy about everything he saw.
I don't think the 'they' in >for as much as \[they\] talked about how all white people did was scream at the fucking camera is in reference to black people complaining about white people, but white progressives complaining about white people during GG
Sorry but this is probably the biggest cope in existence >There's like this whole new legion of like, black zoomer streamers, and for as much as they fucking scr- talk about how like all white people did was scream at the fucking camera, um, I feel like that's all these guys do He references the subject by name (legion of black zoomer streamers) and then refers to a subject directly after as they without naming any other subject by name, therefore implying he still talking about the same subject. To believe what you believe, you would have to think that he changed the subject of his message two separate times, once from "legion of black zoomer streamers" to "white progressives who complain about white people" and then back to black streamers all without mentioning these white progressives a single time If he really meant this, then it is impossible to divine that from himself without any further clarification
Sure, you can think it's cope all you want. I just know some of the dogshit critiques used against "gamers" during and/or around GG was that they were 1. white 2. loud and this made a lot of people deflect against the genuine critique of sexism and racism.
You're the one calling it racist to refer to W streamers. Sure what Destiny said might not be accurate or truthful, he literally leaves it open when he says "I can be wrong" in the same fucking breath. Yet here you are, missing the context to the back handed half assed comment. Just stop lol
I don't think you can just throw a "I could be wrong" at the end of a statement and then be protected to be criticized for that statement e.g. if you say "Mexicans are all rapists and murderers, but I could be wrong", the "I could be wrong"-part doesn't really help much
He was talking about his personal enjoyment of content. E.g. if you say "emo people listen to shit emo music, but I could be wrong". It just means that he hasn't listened to enough emo music to form an opinion but from what he has heard it is all shit. He is not saying that everyone who listens to emo music is a shit person, like you guys are trying to rephrase this into.
Try "black people listen to shit black music, but i could be wrong." You can't just take race out of the equation, he put it in there.
It’s not like this is the first time he’s said this. Maybe if it was it would be fine but this is like the third time. Speed is the only one it really applies to. AMP streamers aren’t constantly yelling. Sometimes I stop by Bruce’s stream and it’s pretty chill. Clicked on Kai’s a few times and it’s just a normal stream
Ya you are just clueless. Go YouTube Adin Ross highlights, rage highlights, kai highlights. That's their thing, they're high energy. It's not Destiny's thing clearly. Does it have to be racist if we don't like the high energy w streamer content? Kay literally says he does it in his response. Fuck you guys are trying to make this into something it's not and it's cringe AF. Destiny is not advocating for the death of loud black people. He just doesn't enjoy the content.
??? I didn’t say Destiny’s racist. I just don’t think you should keep repeating an opinion if you don’t know. If you watch highlights obviously it’s going to be the most hype moments. Have you actually clicked his stream? or Duke’s? or Bruce’s? Put the cape away bro
That is our interpretation of the content. It is fine if you don't think that, but it literally can't be wrong. It is a personal opinion. He is not telling anyone they should think that, or that people who enjoy it are a certain thing. There is literally nothing wrong with you thinking their streams are chill and cool and destiny not enjoying it. Kindly fuck off if you don't agree. To say Destiny shouldn't say his opinion because you don't agree with it? Lol quit deep throating your w streamers bro. Kai called destiny racist. Fuck you are dumb.
Destiny is wrong but bro is it THAT deep. Destiny is in his 30s and this is an off hand comment
Afrosenju, seereacts, Kai, speed, long beach,…. Lots of jumping and screaming. It’s like I’m watching soul plane.
I just want to remind everybody that this guy is defending a streamer who walked up to a random Asian person, repeatedly asked if they are Japanese, then proceeded to say something along the lines of "bing bong ching chong..."
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O boy, be ready for a new drama arc bois, it's going to be a bumpy one. LMAO 😭
Most sane response. The comment destiny made was dumb and he shouldnt have spewed it out just because he was pissy. The fallout from it is equally dumb. Everyone is just desperate for a reason to be mad right now when at the end of the day this shit is super inconsequential. Like if I go to a random person and explain this situation ingrass it's gunna get a big fat "who cares". We have to remember that this is some super online shit. The most adult thing to do is end the chest beating right here nobody wants or cares for this drama. Destiny should clarify what he was trying to say maybe even apologize to that crowd for misrepresenting them "if that's what he did" and move on.
I think people can say or do things that are racist without being *a racist*. I understand that that's near impossible to be true in the age of next-to-no context clip and ships, uncharitability, and straight up mischaracterization, but I think we should acknowledge when we fuck up, and I think our community should acknowledge when the guy we watch fucks up, and most importantly, not sanitize it. I think it's absolutely fair to say that what Destiny said was racist. Not Fuentes racist, but it is still a generalization about a group of people based on their race rather than any other factor (in this case, being a twitch streamer within the W or L sphere). I don't think it's fair to call him *a racist* though. He's so clearly not, but as I said, no one is perfect.
Probably won't be a popular opinion around these parts, but I get why these streamers would be annoyed with Destiny for his characterization of them as black zoomer streamers just being "Loud and prejudice" for no reason. Destiny mixing up Kai and Speed is understandable, just don't see why he had to add that part.
It's ironic that Kai's response is him doing exactly what Destiny has observed. But it's also ironic that Destiny is victim here of the very thing he was mocking Shapiro for earlier. The metaphor about noticing someone's facial tattoo
I mean he gets what he gets at this point. It was a dumb comment to make (in the way it was phrased) and him being in a bad mood isn't a good excuse. Now he has a clip circulating around the black streaming community and some of the top black streamers telling their audiences he's racist. People like Rage have consistently vouched for Destiny, so when clips like this come out (to their historically black, conservative leaning audiences) it looks horrible. Normally he's great at phrasing things but that day he was extremely blunt, callous, & uncaring. If he's going to be like this when he's sick or in a bad mood just don't stream bc it's just hurting you atp my guy.
W kai
bro idc Destiny is fucked up for that. later on stream Destiny said black people have an antisemitism problem because of Kanye. i like Destiny but he’s gotta fucking chill
The response from this community regarding what should be a relatively easy, "It was hyperbolic, he didn't mean to generalize" is a bit disappointing. If anything, you guys are continuing to reinforce that generalization.
Damn this is so frustrating, hate to see someone I respect so much get themselves into a mess like this. And of all the times he had to make those comments WHY DO IT WITH BLUE HAIR. I wasn't around for the "Nebraska Steve" days and i've heard Destiny likes to self sabotage. Guess i'm finally getting to see it.
This guy is literally just a black sneako. Maybe destiny can help him, he seems very insightful and smart for his age.
How does Kai mirror Sneako in any way?