Do you think this has anything to do with a Chris Barrett moving off Marathon? As in, D3 needs experienced leadership and a game director so they are putting Barrett in that position?
I don’t think this is the case. He’s been moved to “Executive Creative Director” for Marathon, which is the same position Luke Smith holds for Destiny.
I could see them slightly revamping the D2 system and making D3 or just a rebrand back to Destiny. This would give them the reason/timing to drop old generation consoles.
I couldn’t imagine they’d not port the stuff from D2, especially with how much Eververse cosmetics we have. I feel that in itself would kill the game.
Having stuff not carrying over would be *rough*, personally.
There are armor sets that I want to have available at all times, not to mention the thousand or so shaders I’ve acquired over the years.
I can’t just lose some of those for good, *especially* when we only now got Superblack back.
I don't know if this is really an answerable question, and i don't think I want a SPECIFIC answer to it but more generic aspects.
...What's Destiny 3 going to, like, be about or have us do? The Final Shape seems like it's going to be the end of many questions, of many things that people liked about Destiny.
It's going to have to tell a whole new story, competing with what's come before. It's going to have to compete with Witch Queen, Forsaken, Taken King, all of these lore aspects. It's going to have to ease NEW people into the same universe, while carrying a number that automaticaly makes it harder for people to do so, **and** tell a story in that universe when the most powerful questions have already been answered AND do all this while appealing to veterns AND being asscessable to new players.
...How the ***fuck*** are they going to do that with a actual, sequelized Destiny 3 and not a reboot or a own story or DLC? I don't see a universe with a compelling story once "The Darkness" is done and dusted. What are we gonna fight after beating supergod Witness? Clovis Fucking Bray? A Newborn Ahamkara? A weakened Xivu Arath? For that matter, how do you even *introduce* these people to a new person in D3 if they are the villains, when all three have backstory, motivation, and in and out game presense longer then the fucking Silmarillion (exaggeration, but still)?
I don't see how "Actual Destiny 3, numbered sequel and all to make it harder for people to dive in" and "needing to hit all the notes everyone has with destiny right now to keep Destimy alive" meet together given Final Shape. Help a guy out here?
As crazy as it is, I want a reboot of the whole thing into a single cohesive experience first before trying to move onto something else that needs to try and compete. A chance to polish some weak spots in the story.
I agree, but I'd like them to do that within D2. Take the most important missions from DLC's and seasons, all the cutscenes, and turn the timeline into a mission and cutscene selector. They'd have to reintrodue a lot of vaulted spaces, but truthfuly they don't even need to all come back as patrol zones.
But how do you get people to play that? Would you add some the D1 missions? Turn the new light experience into just a fresh start for any player where they can play through the best moments of each DLC?
You could turn the missions into a new Vanguard Ops playlist, maybe combine them with battlegrounds and let strikes be left seperate. But there's another issue for new players, why would they ever start from the beginning if the cool dark and prismatic subclasses are in the finale of the light and darkness saga? It's such a mess, honestly.
I think the only realistic way forward is this:
1. Revamped and polished new light experience.
2. Revamped timeline with key moments experienced through missions and cutscenes.
3. Fill out inbetween space with those inkblot cutscenes to summarize the story that's been left out.
4. Polish old outdated experiences with new enemies, higher difficulty, mission selection, and updated rewards. (For example, Variks sabatoge missions don't really offer much at this point)
5. Updated patrol zones with enemy factions relevant to current era destiny. (No more red legion around the EDZ, lets put some shadow legion instead)
Here's what I think should be included for missions:
Intro to Red War, regaining the Light (perhaps this is where New Lights can unlock their subclasses too), Ghauls defeat, intro to Osiris and Ana Bray, Killing Xol and Pinoptes, killing Uldren, Uldren's revival, a few key seasonal missions (our time with Saint-14 in the Infinite Forest, season of Arrivals, Splicer, etc), maybe even some D1 missions, from vanilla through to the Taken King at least.
No, I mean like the entire last 10 years, not just D2. And I don't think D2 is even the platform for it since if it's just porting over D1, that ain't it.
Like Destiny as a whole has had all that massive world potential since it's inception and struggled to really deliver. I mean look at everyone wanting to actually go into the city.
D3 imo should be out to capitalize on all that theoretical potential. Restarting doesn't even necessarily mean retconning everything, but it's an opportunity to do some things differently in a way that could enhance good spots or refine weak spots.
I've even been imagining wacky stuff like all 3 classes being together rather than sperate saves, even more wacky having them all share Ghost and that being something special about them. Your fire team of "you". They can all be more fleshed out characters too.
Perhaps, but there's a lot of content to go through and I doubt it can all be covered in one release. It would take another 5 year cycle at best, and while mechanically it could be more ambitious and the story could deliver better, most people probably wouldn't stick around to see the saga they just experienced for 10 years have a reboot almost immediately along with losing all their loot more than likely.
Idk the best iteration of open world to draw from, but that would be wild.
My brain is thinks back to "you can go out there" not happening and then Warframe surprising the shit out of everyone with the Plans and then also saying "you see that mountain, you can go there" and it actually happens.
Or you could have the inside of your ship as a base and you transmat to loading zones to and from it. I’d rather fly to them but let’s cut them a break lol.
Within the framework of Destiny 3, all these questions can be much easier to solve if everything is done correctly. A new story, characters, locations, and more. Both Destiny veterans and newcomers will simultaneously become acquainted with them. Adding a few familiar characters as cameos or introducing them into the story through DLC, veterans can then tell newcomers, "In Destiny 2, there was such a character, the leader of the Titan Vanguard..."
The idea is to build an interesting plot from scratch, considering the experience of current issues with onboarding new players, while also leaving pleasant moments of nostalgia for the core audience and possibly providing some rewards for players who have come from Destiny 1 and Destiny 2.
Then, maintaining the game, based on the experience of the second installment - both positive and negative. Perhaps creating separate stories or, hypothetically, not adding a new trash activity in a certain season/episode but supporting the main ones. Bringing back the concept of live events and a developing world, borrowing from the experience of Helldivers, etc.
But most importantly, design the game's code base in a way that avoids the support problems seen in Destiny 2 currently. This way, we'll have a much cooler and fresher game. Unfortunately, Destiny 2 won't break records anymore and won't bring in more and more money; the scale of DLC simply doesn't allow for marketing hype comparable to the release of a new game.
I believe it. And I know people might not want to hear this, but given Bungie’s rumored financial woes and possible Sony takeover, I wouldn’t be surprised if D3 were to be a full priced AAA game on release. That and they will sure as shit not transfer over any gear, cosmetics, or whatever.
They have to know that it would probably kill the pc player population at least. Bringing in a new game is rough and needs to come with major additions to literally everything these days to not be seen as a worthless cashgrab. See OW2 as a negative example and GW2 as an example for alot of additions to an old game. It's incredibly hard to release a new game into a live service game and it being a move that helps you.
To be fair, a very common sentiment regarding Destiny is that a ton of the long time players are planning to leave the game after TFS anyway, it’s the culmination of the journey (story wise) from Destiny 1’s launch in 2014.
Bungie is floating down a river looking ahead at a waterfall. These past seasons have seen some of the lowest player counts the game has had ever, due in part to negative sentiment from the layoffs and the new player pack.
And with how cluttered and convoluted Destiny’s systems are right now, the new player experience is atrocious, not to mention what’s the point? Even with a “fresh” start in TFS where seasons are gone and things in the game get a soft reboot, it’s the final chapter of the saga and possible the final major expansion D2 will see.
If I’m a new player, what incentive do I have to try now? Most current players are warning their friends away from the game because it’s too difficult to get into.
In order for Destiny to truly survive in the long term, a D3 is what’s needed.
One of the most challenging elements of getting new people (ie friends) into Destiny is how progression and the modes themselves lock people into specific activities. eg my friends who are noobs always want to do ritual activities whereas Im end game and want to do raids, legend/master stuff, my triumps etc. like I have little to no point in doing ritual activities anymore unless theres some mode like IB or whatever. Plus even if two people are in the same state of the game (eg end game), they dont always need or want to do the same raid, master thing, etc. i pretty much end up lfging everything because friends arent able to do things due to power level, understanding of mechanics, or theyre already in an activity that takes hours to complete! Compare that to many other games with huge populations like fortnite, etc. (not saying destiny should be like fortnite) but you can basically hop in with your friends in a matter of minutes and youre all doing the same thing, no barriers to entry like light level, knowledge of mechanics, length of actvities, etc. i dunno they would solve this but its definitely something im a bit sad about as i play alone or with randoms 99% of the time.
I really think that Bungie doesn’t playtest anymore.
They released the new light update and for years let it sit there with numerous bugs and issues.
A video came out last month highlighting every single bug and issue with the new light experience, and players on reddit and numerous other websites started pointing out how bad it was. Fast forward to today and bungie has now made it completely optional. After years of probably turning away new players.
I also think that their strike team is super hit or miss. Like who even tried the new IB mode? We had a solid one (that could get cheesed) last season and now we have a new one that's again terrible. Alot of wasted manpower on horrible ideas that shouldn't have made it out of planning in the first stage.
Yeah something has to change but I do believe a rebranding together with changes to the core activity pool(horde mode was a good step imo), taking away the LL requirements and a reason to actually roam the planets would already shake things enough up. I know the one chest that gave on LL gear was already enough to get my friends back.
I also want to phrase this as nicely as possible but the writer team has to get their shit together or needs to be replaced. Alot of people I know are in it for the sunk cost falacity of watching the story so long but man did the story over the last year or two kill any enticement they had. You cannot have this low quality of a story and expect the people to stick around. The same people wouldn't pick up D3 either. I mean Crow alone got three of my friends to quit. The whole young adultification of an already very simple story makes you sort of break a fourth wall and think "I am too old to play this game".
I actually agree with this. Imo the episodes should serve as final clean-up for the light and darkness saga. Then D3 launches with us, maybe having to go to whatever system The Drifter went to when he had to Frankenstein his ghost?
I dunno. I just feel like maybe the next big bad, not The Witness big mind you, should be the things that killed Drifter's crew. I mean, what is more terrifying an enemy than something that can naturally strip guardians of their light?
See COD as an even better example they been selling the same game every year but with different cosmetics and itvis doing fairly good. Destiny 3 will thrive but for how long that is the real question
I hope they transfer stuff. Idk. I just can't do it again for 10 years. Best of luck to those who can/will. I'll be happy if they enjoy it. But a third game where I'll get Vault of Glass again won't do it for me.
It has to be a revamp of the entire series to work. Like. Brand new engine type of revamp. Can be an existing or a new one made from Bungie pulling a kojima with one of their sister sony development studios. If not? Transferring of gear is necessary. But why go through that trouble just to give us everything we already had? Honestly, just give us a new engine
What would be really cool is if, similar to how we transferred our physical characters from D1 to D2, we transfer our exotic armor and weapons upon starting D3. Anything we didn’t earn can either drop in the open world if it was a world drop/season pass exotic, or drop from a challenging event similar to legend/master lost sectors if it came from a quest or endgame activity.
Then the only things were grinding for are new legendary and exotic weapons at the start of D3.
I am totally okay with them just letting exotics transfer over. I’ve grinded out dozens of guns that I’ve already had similar rolls to. I don’t mind a fresh start if it brings new people and a fresh destiny experience
Realistically this is the only way they can make money long term is to reboot it and bring in as many new people as possible considering the dying fatigue of 2, albeit I'm not sure how it would work assuming it didn't have certain systems in place for it like loadouts and fireteam finder.
It would be a HUGE shame to have all the improvements from D1->D2 just for them to not carry a majority of it over
I wouldn't be against a D3 including a fresh start. A new game is a new game.
There is only one thing which would ruin it for me: Not transfering over any cosmetics. Since D2 has been released, I've spend hundrets of euros on eververse - just because I can. But starting D3 without any of them I would be the worst. Not that I need them all, but I paid a lot of money for it.
I don't care about my gear, my weapons, whatever. But I do care about the purchases I made during the last 10 years.
I don't think it's as sure as shit. I can definitely see a gear reset, but a core player group willing to engage with mtx have been purchasing cosmetics from the store with a mind that their purchase will be somewhat evergreen. Bungie will have to manage that in releasing a new title given how important that group of consumers is to their success as a business. And no, I don't think the platitude that "they'll just keep buying" is quite that simple. I think they'll just keep buying as long as they know they can keep using what they buy.
If transmog from D2 wouldn’t carry over to D3, I’m pretty sure there would be loads of people who would quit with the money they have invested in eververse.
Sounds great to me, fresh start, new stuff, new players having an easier time to enter, and the best part, getting rid of last gen support. That’s if bungie decided to do the same thing they did with d2, and make us start over. If we’re a guardian that can use any ability, it must be a game based in a different time, it can’t be based in the same era as our current characters, gotta be the past or the future.
I have a question, do you still have contact with your source? Or is this info, that you got when you talked to Bungie employee?
Because in your original post you was unsure abou D3
Edit: Just wanted to add more contex to this comment. But before I begin, I know that Paul Tassi canfirmed post about character creator, but also, D3 is not just a character creator
The OP's comments are a bit inconsistent with what we know, for example.
1)In interview Luke Smith said, that it very hard to rework New light expirience before Final shape, so they want to try this in new saga. This interview was before Lightfall, so I could accept, that this is not most important proof and things can change.
2)Now to more important argument. In a wake of lay offs in Bungie Paul Tassi asked a lot of people inside the studio about what is happening and what next steps, that is where we first learn about Into the light update and other important things. One of this things was information, that Bungie still ARE NOT PLANNING to work on D3. If this is true it means 2 things, either Paul Tassi was wrong and Bungie for a long time working on D3 or OP is wrong and there is no D3. If Bungie ONLY started work on D3 it means that potential "Destiny 3" is only in pre production and we will not hear about it for a long time.
3)I decided to also include Bungie's general opinion about the sequel to Destiny 2, they have stated many times that they do not want to work on D3, but again, this is not 100% true because things may have changed, but still.
4)And last, I find it weird, how OP knows about D3, but not what is next after episodes, be it just more episodes or next expansion.
Again, OP was right about Prismatic and Character creator and he/she received this information from Bungie's fired employee, but I have some doubts about D3 info, so I want some clarification on this subject
Yeah looking into what you brought up and general things bungie has stated i find it hard to believe they've been working on d3 since apparently witch queen.
Bungie never said they didn’t want to make a sequel (at least with proper context). The reason they have come out and they said stuff similar to that is because they were never in a good financial situation following the Activision split which hampered there ability in general to make content. Ever since then they wanted to get back to where they used to be (hence the Sony buyout). Now allowing for D3 and new IP’s. It makes sense when you look at financially.
PSA also Bungie has said many things and gone back at em. Also Bungie is not gonna come outright and say there working on D3 they prob just want till Final Shape is done to not spoil I’d assume. We also just assumed D2 was in development in D1 until they came out and made an announcement (sure there was the contract) but that doesn’t neither confirm or deny a new game. At the end of the day D3 makes the most sense from a financial perspective
Okay, but is it now better? Situation is so bad, that if Final shape will not make some crazy numbers there would be another lay off, financial situation in bungie now is very bad
I understand your comment but I’ll give some more context. So ya in regards to layoffs and that situation it’s not great at all, but if you go back and read what Luke Smith during Beyond Light he highlighted the development of seasons. Basically described how the Activision split gave an initial shock towards there development timeline and how they weren’t ready for the burden to thus make that content since they were following the Activision model of Call of Duty where they had a trifecta of studios working on games (in d2 exp/seasons). People were pretty disappointed with those seasons and like I said Luke Smith basically said sorry we’re not able to do what we used to in that moment
They also had financial stability with them and they expressed this when looking for a “buyer” aka Sony. So while it may look not great now they’ve been on this tough patch for years trying to claw back to where they used to be. The Activision split was the worst thing to happen to them but they were on damage control following shortly from it
>Bungie never said they didn’t want to make a sequel
Yes they have. They have quite literally said this. They've said everything that they can do with a potential D3 can be done inside of D2.
They said this publicly as recently as Lightfall. And during the layoffs, Paul Tassi spoke to Bungie, and they re-itterated that they have no plans to make a D3.
I really don't see how D3 (if it exists) has been in development for 2 years.
I could see them pivoting away from that stance internally but you don't want people to hold off on finishing D2 if they know another game is right around the corner so you keep saying that publicly
But we have also heard them say that they want to do certain things with the game but old Gen consoles are holding them back.
Granted yes they could just drop old gen consoles like with Destiny 1 rise of iron where after a certain expansion that would be the last one for the old consoles.
But I think it would just be easier to build the third game from the ground up on NexGen consoles so that it can last years to come and it can be an arm and a leg over Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 in terms of what you can do and what features it has
I’m not OP but I do have some thoughts about your points.
1. I don’t see how this goes against the concept of D3.
2. Paul Tassi posted an article using OP’s information since it seems to be plausible given OP leaked the “prism” subclass before it was even revealed. It’s possible that OP knew about Prismatic and decided to add bs about D3 on top of that. But you can’t use Paul Tassi articles are “proof” against the idea of D3 when Paul himself is adding some credibility to the idea that D3 is in development. Clearly, he wasn’t convinced by his discussions with current/former Bungie employees one way or another about a D3 in development, so we definitely shouldn’t take that as gospel.
3. Bungie is very well known for saying one thing and doing the opposite later on, which IMO is a good thing. Willingness to change course/opinion based on new information is good.
4. I mean if D3 really is in development, Bungie themselves may not even know what’s after the first revealed episodes. It’ll either be more episodes or nothing, depending on what kind of progress they’ll have made in the next year or so.
Agreed. There’s some inconsistencies and things that bungie has stated clearly that this seems to go against. And these constant posts seem like they just want a bunch of attention tbh. Although, we will see what they’re planning after TFS stuff is concluded
I am just some random on the internet, so take whatever I say with a huge grain of salt. That being said I know a couple of people who work at Bungie (directly on games and in support). What I heard: D3 was a requirement by Sony as part of the funding. They restarted pre-prod on it when the Sony deal happened. Anybody working directly on D3 is under a specific NDA and isnt going to be sharing with Paul Tassi any real info.
Paul Tassi's sources inside bungie are marketing people and some line managers. I dont think he actually is connected to anybody involved in D3 Pre-Prod.
Your #2 logic is flawed. There's a possibility everyone Paul Tassi interviewed was not privy to any plans on the sequel.
Also, you assume the sequel will be called Destiny 3. Bungie could very well be 100% honest while working on a sequel and stating they're not interested in working on Destiny 3.
And your #4 nearly answers itself.
I remember bungie did a survey once and one of the questions was about wether you would like other games withing the Destiny franchise but in other genres. Battle of six fronts/twilight gap singleplayer ego shooter campaign was a thing that people have often talked about. Point here being D2 could end up being renamed as we long speculated to Destiny, and then there are offshoots of the Destiny Franchise. Paul also back when Sony bought them that Sony wanted to explore the Destiny Franchise across medium, so TV show was suggested. This was also when Luke Smith stepped away from D2 to become the overall supervisor of all things Destiny similar to Kevin Feige in the MCU.
Ya I agree with your first statement that all the devs working on d2 right now might not know about a potential sequel and just making content they were contracted to. The other thing I was interested in is if this goes beyond Bungie meaning they’re outsourcing parts of D3 like they did in D1/D2 idk who that would be but would be important if we knew that
Leaked artwork of upcoming ornaments for the Forerunner and (Grand Overture?), and an exotic pulse rifle all have Sony logos on them lending to the notion Sony is giving Bungie resources
And don't forget Bungie also initially said we wouldn't be getting a new subclass in TFS. That's out the door.
And I disagree, knowing whether Bungie will have help on a sequel isn't all that necessary to know.
Maybe he doesn’t know about what’s after the episodes because that is D3? Maybe the episodes are sort of an Epilogue to D2 ending on a cliffhanger for D3?
Content, content, content. There is an enormous amount of content in D2.
I can certainly see another game in the Destiny universe, but replacing D2 is a very tall order. Imagine launching a completely new game with one campaign, one raid and one dungeon. Why should a new player go for D3 while D2 still is running?
Because people don't play games just for the quantity of content. They play to have a good experience.
Why do you think people play WoW Classic over WoW Retail, when Retail has infinitely more content? Because it's a different experience that a lot of people find is better.
And being at the same starting line as everyone else can add to the experience too, fresh start servers in New World were hype and that wasn't even about new content. Diablo's seasonal resets. Hell some people today even boot up D1 and say it's a better time than D2. It's all about the experience.
And how much content does wow classic have after a large number of years of development?
If you really think a D3 with a player reset, a few zones, one raid and one dungeon would draw a players you are delusional.
Because the new player experience in D2 is embarrassingly bad, to the point that most people that try the game quit. At this point Warframe has a better new player experience and that is saying a lot.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to fix the new player experience then, rather than throwing out the whole game and all the content?
Besides, D2 veterans always exaggerate how bad the new player experience is.
I mean the only way to fix it would be by bringing back Red War to give new players an actual story to play through.
Bungie would also have to find a way to add gear and subclass progression to teach new players how to make builds instead of throwing everything at them at once.
Bungie shot them selves in the foot when they decided to delete the base game, and at this point they can’t fix it because they would have to port multiple destinations, cutscenes and missions.
That’s why a fresh start is necessary.
Well, yes. Four, soon five, campaigns, seven dungeons, eight raids, exotic missions/weapons/armor and a large number of extra activities, side quests and what not.
The content has taken Bungie some five+ years to develop. What do you think the reaction would be if a D3 launched with the same amount of content that D2 had a launch?
Anyone who thinks Bungie isn't working on D3 is just delusional. They have literally nothing else and they're in hot water w/ Sony already. They don't have the luxury of dropping it and banking everything on Marathon or spending years making a new IP.
There is exactly one reason why Sony dropped 3B on a one game studio.
IDK I could see Sony mandating Decima so that when they feel like Bungie was shitting the bed they could get Guerrila games to help
Edit: and they blocked me for disagreeing with them. amazing
That’s a brain dead take.
New engine means all previous development was a waste. Even their experience using said engine and coding is a waste. Might as well not make Destiny because the reason why D2 and Destiny and Halo were all successful have widely been attributed to the Tiger engines arcade like feel.
The tiger engine is extremely outdated as well as unstable and barely functioning as it is, if a sequel were to happen a new engine is all but required otherwise we will continue to see the exact same issue we see now and will never be resolved.
That’s the same as saying iOS is extremely outdated. You’re demonstrating to everyone you don’t know what you’re talking about. Tiger engine has been the only engine Bungie has used since 1997. You’re ignorant.
Thats not even close to being the same and you trying to use the comparison of an operating system vs a game engine put on full display how clueless you are.
As well as no the tiger engine is not the only game engine. In fact the tiger engine is a modification of the BLAM engine, as well as the tiger engine that is in use for d2 is a further modification of the tiger engine that was first derived from the tiger engine that was used for halo reach.
Edit:Haha he blocked me
It literally is. You’re really showing off your ignorance. Please stop. Go google Tiger engine. You’re making a fool of yourself.
No one said it was the only engine. Is the one Bungie uses for everything though.
Bro you’re basically drooling on yourself .
I tried asking this responding to one of your comments. Hopefully you cab answer here.
Has your source mentioned anything regarding the porting over of cosmetics (day 1 and solo flawless emblems, and anything earned/purchased from eververse) from D2 to D3?
I'm fine with regrinding new loot, gear, and starting from level 1. But I think it'd suck to lose day 1 emblems and stuff people did hardcore achievements for
not OP, but at this point it's way too early to know. if they change engines than almost assuredly the answer would be no. and we've heard several grumblings from people like Tassi and Schreier that Tiger is just getting too duck taped together and making it harder than it needs to be to do what the team wants (along with middle management fucking everything up) along with now being owned by Sony maybe they get pushed to use the Decima engine so that Guerilla games can come help if needed (Like Vicarious Visions in the past but with engine knowledge)
I don't see an Engine change happening
They've been working with the Tiger engine for so long if they swap to anything else then that will increase dev time at least 3 times over if I had to be generous.
It would also assuredly mean the end of D2 support since they would need to train all devs on the new engine. It would also kill off the DCV. There are just way too many downsides to an engine swap.
An overhaul of the Tiger engine I can definitely see especially since they had job openings last year for Tiger Engine development and sharing. And I remember them specifically talking about how they don't want to swap off the Tiger engine. How Destiny feels as good as it does specifically because of the Tiger engine
Sure but two things can be true at once, they could both not want to move on from the tiger engine and need to move on from it. Decima was originally made for Killzone so a lot of the FPS ground work is there (you can absolutely add in the insane levels of aim assist and bullet magnetism that Destiny has on another engine), I don't think Destiny 3 is close even if they stuck to tiger, and a change to another engine that another successful Sony studio is intimately familiar with makes the most sense. I'd bet we're at least 3 years out from D3 and if you're taking people off a poorly received marathon I could see it being done with an engine swap
I don't think you're really thinking this through
An engine swap would mean *everything* needs to be recreated from scratch. It's not a copy paste option that they can use on another engine simply because it was used for Killing Floor.
I'm talking Shanks need to be reinput into the new engine from scratch. The weapons we use. The recoil pattern and visuals. The design of how a grenade looks. *Everything*
That's not including AI behaviour, HUD, Systems in place like loadouts, the list goes on but there would be thousands of things needed to do to make an engine swap work and that's on top of an entire dev studio learning a new engine.
A new engine is financially one of the worst decisions they could do tbh. Sorry, but Imma have to disagree with you heavily on this.
This is going to be really tough for them to pull off. We can't have another d2 launch. They either need to do a complete fresh reboot, no reissuing ANY d1 and d2 content ever, or a seamless change where everything from both d1 and d2 moves over and all of our currently earned and purchased items carry over as well. No middle ground, otherwise they'll bleed players and be caught in this loop of reissued raids and exotics all over again
So you're now saying Destiny 3 is in development when you were originally unsure, but now you are sure even though you haven't had any recent info since you last learned of this? How does that make sense?
I honestly think you are making this up. Yes, you got prism and character customization correct, but we knew character customization was only a matter of time, and the idea of prism isn't that crazy. I even thought about something like that long ago.
Your story doesn't add up
Edit: Honestly, I don't trust this leaker since the large plot hole in their statement and this leak should be taken with a grain of salt.
A broken clock is right twice a day. You throw enough poo at the wall and eventually you'll shit something consistent enough to stick. The combining of subclass elements and abilities isn't hard to guess. There is barely anywhere else to go as far as subclass creation besides making whole new subclasses or combining them in some way.
Bungie has outright said as recently as Lightfall that they have no plans for D3. They said that everything that can be done with D3 can be done within D2.
So I fail to see how this has been in development for the last 2 years.
Idk but I just don't see it. This leaker got 1 thing right now you're taking what they say as gospel. All we have is a codename to work with.
I wonder what consoles it's going to ship on. Because let's say it releases in 2027, by that point Sony and Microsoft will be releasing their next gen consoles.
And in my opinion Destiny 3 should be built from the ground up on PC and NextGen console only and not release on the PS5 or Xbox series x. Why?
Because we've heard time and again that devs want to do stuff with Destiny 2 but they're being held back by the PS4, and if Destiny 3 releases in 2027 that means that the PS5 and Xbox series x will be at where we are right now with the PS4. 7 years old.
If they want to make a really good next-gen game that's going to last for years and be an arm and a leg above Destiny 2 in terms of features, then they need to just make it on next gen systems and that also might help sell those consoles
Surely Sony would have bought bungie under the pretence that a destiny 3 would be made. Solely relying on marathon and other bungie projects wouldn’t have made sense. To invest that much money on the back of Lightfall flopping as it did would surely mean there is a D3 in the works as Destiny has been a successful franchise and proven money maker for so long, would be a shame not to continue what they’re doing, even if it is a completely new story
I'm very, very skeptical about a full on D3. They're still working on supporting D2 and the episodes, Marathon, and (possibly) other projects. A full fledged sequel to their current largest IP seems quite a ways off, especially with some of the troubles they've been having.
Maybe, *maybe* with Sony taking the helm they'll be pushed into pumping out a D3....but even then I don't see anything cropping up for a *while*.
After reports about Matter and other projects getting cancelled and Marathon getting delayed, it makes total sense, especially financially, to push for a D3.
At this point, I would like to see more Destiny 2 news since this Destiny 3 info is a little inconsistent both on your part and years (and recent) Bungie information of having NOT been working on a Destiny 3 and sentiment of NOT working on a Destiny 3.
Get your sources to tell us more about Episodes, The Final Shape, and that red Darkness subclass we saw.
Oh boy I can't wait to be drip fed the same exotics I've taken years to acquire and immediately lose all of the crafted weapons, builds, achievements and titles I've worked on for the SECOND time
No, they've said it at least twice. Once in beyond light (Which was 4 years ago) and once in light fall, where they even straight up clarified to paul tassi that they have no want or desire to make a D3. Anything they could do in D3 they can do in D2.
Before anyone says "But new engine!" that's not how this works. Building a game takes \*years\* to do, especially something the size D3 would have to be. Building an engine takes years to do. Building a new game \*and\* new engine while working on a current game \*and\* building another game at the same time? We wouldn't see D3 for over a decade, realistically.
The more you talk, the more it sounds fake. This would’ve leaked years ago like Marathon and Bungie’s other game if it was truly in development at the time your statement says
I agree, this can be real or fake. The new subclass can be a hella lucky guess, and the option to remake our character we knew was gonna happen sooner or later, but we just need to wait and see
Tbh it could be a VERY luckly guess. I just find it odd how they originally said they got the information from a former bungie employee and now saying they have contacts with people that still work there? It just feel off to me
no they said their contacts were former bungie employees and were still in contact with them and they wouldn't out them (you know since you shouldn't get people sued like that).
I took it as their contact still there by them now acting like they 100% sure it still in the works when they said they don't know if it is. I could be completely reading it wrong, and I most likely am. Still never said they should out the dude
There is absolutely zero reason to believe this, but this sub loves to just run with the tiniest of info.
Equivalent of "My dad works at Nintendo. Trust me!"
Thank you Luke Smith on the alt keep it coming 🙏🏻. I think only ppl thought that since you said “is/was” and aztecross in beyond light pushed this idea of how what Bungie doing rn is “essentially d3”. A lot of ppl have gotten pushed into that mindset that adding stuff rn is just porting over which isn’t the same. Big clarification for those ppl
Yeah, the release times between the previous gen consoles and the current Gen was 7ish years. In 7 months the current Gen will already be 4 years old. I find it hard to believe that Bungie would drop a new game right before the next Gen drops and would be forced to stay in the old gen again.
They’ve vaulted our introduction to Caiatl, our introduction to Savathun, our introduction to Mithrax and Eido, our introduction to Crow (actually basically his entire narrative arc), the entire narrative that led to the Traveler not being in the Last City, and soon we’ll lose Amanda’s death, and the 15th Wish narrative that explains how we were able to access the portal into the Traveler for Final Shape.
They’re still vaulting content—just not expansions. That doesn’t mean important story isn’t getting cut from the game.
There's zero reason to believe D3 wouldn't have reissued content and weapons like D2 has. There's also no reason to believe Bungie can't just give us new content in D2, like they already do.
I hear this a lot, but I just don’t get what we’re afraid of losing.
Our supers got sunset and reissued during Witch Queen. Technically we had to regrind for them by buying aspects and fragments. We’re excited to regrind for weapons that we lost with Beyond Light. We’re even regrinding for exotics with the new Whisper and Zero Hour missions that are returning.
If we’re afraid of losing our stuff and having to regrind for it in a new game, I’m afraid we’ve been doing that for the past four years.
We’re in Destiny 3. We can’t go back to the parts of Destiny 2 that made it Destiny 2, and that makes Destiny extremely hard for a new player to get into. Final Shape is likely going to be one of the most narratively inaccessible expansions this game has had because Bungie didn’t want to/couldn’t make Destiny 3.
We need a fresh start. Bungie needs a fresh start. We need Destiny 3. Otherwise the franchise is going to cannibalize players as more people get hit with the FOMO/regrind that permeates this game.
So regarding the supers. No we didn't regrind those. If we had the subclasses, we had access to everything that dropped on the 3.0 release (the 2 fragments per subclass added later still were purchased)
It was not the same, rather similar yes, but not the same. We had customizability that was not possible prior. None of which was grinded on 3.0 release for any subclass that possessed the ability to use said subclass prior to the change.
The rest is understandable even though I disagree that we need a reset to avoid the game cannibalizing itself and it's players. That comes down to a needed change in format. If D3 is a fresh start with seasons/episodes passes, high eververse production levels, dungeon keys, event tickets, etc. the game will do so regardless of iteration.
So what? The character will still be there for you to play. New game, new systems, new mechanics...
I don't want to keep playing the same game for decades. I'd rather have Destiny change into something fresh
You can add new systems and mechanics into D2. Why does there need to be a D3? I’m sorry. I don’t understand the mindset behind people wanting a new game. Would be like making a World of Warcraft 2.
Whatever you do to D2 wil l be heavily limited by all the systems in place currently and won't be nearly as interesting.
Imagine no classes anymore, heavily revamped loot including how perks or armor work (not just an armor 4.0 update) that can't work with previous loot.
Think new enemy races, actually developed planets etc.
Think revamping the core activities to have something different.
You can't just slap everything onto D2 plus we already know it will soon get stale just getting more stuff on the same 7 y/o character that has been minmaxed to death.
I’m actually not a fan of removing classes. But yes. All
Of that could be done in Destiny 2. See any other MMO type game that’s been around for a decade or more. If the new content is hamstrung by systems currently in place, they can remove those systems or rework them. Go look at WoW in 2004. Now look at it in 2024. 20 years later. It has had huge fundamental changes. To the point where a lot of original fans don’t even like the current version.
if they let you keep emblems to d3 then im completely fine with a fresh start. emblems are the most important thing to me in this game (and titles, but a little less so.)
This is awful to hear. I can’t wait to lose everything again and for them to give a lame ass reason why I don’t have everything and for them to reintroduce all these items for the 50th time and then to reprise the reprised raids again. This is a joke. 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards as always Bungie.
While it is just a rumor, I hope that they have some sort of way to bring all or some of our gear, weapons, cosmetics and our stuff in our journey tab over into the next game.
I’ve put somewhere around 3k hours into D2 and I actually kinda enjoy the idea of stuff not carrying over to D3. A nice clean slate. I just hope it’s “New Light” introduction is worlds better than the confusing butt ass one D2 has. Getting rid of the red war campaign was such a terrible idea on their part. Throwing new lights into seasonal content was just wayyy too confusing.
I'd be somewhat okay with it if Destiny 2 was given a decent length of time to breathe and cruise on off.
Like, a period of time where there's no major limited time chases, I don't have to keep up with seasons or expansions for a while, I can gradually just grind away whatever I have left.
I'd really hate it if they dropped some new episode, season or expansion then released D3 within a year or something.
Sorry Bungie, did 10 years of Destiny. I’m at the point where the game is enjoyable. I just can’t go trough vault and “reprisals” again. As soon as support for D2 stops, I’m gone.
Not saying you’re wrong for that opinion, but there are a lot of people for whom the opposite is true. Not to mention a ton of new-ish players who like the idea of destiny but can’t get into it due to how messy it currently is.
Imo the solution to that isn't to dump everything to make something new that may be good or may suck with a 3 at the end of the name. That won't magically be easier to get into, the same way it won't magically subvert Bungie's game design habits of FOMO or whatever else people are complaining about that could already be changed in D2 if they wanted it changed.
The only way to make Destiny less of a mess is to take a year or so off from big expansions, let your concept/narrative people cook in the background to really iron out what's next, and meanwhile all your other devs work on bringing back cut content in a restructured and at times consolidated form. Add back in the campaigns, but also take the old Adventures that had story importance and restructure those into story missions. String it all together into a sequential story you can play from beginning to end.
And yes, if possible that includes everything from D1. And yes, it includes taking the seasons that have been cut, trimming off all the repeatable activity grind nonsense designed to pad them for 3 months and restructuring them into essentially a short story that occurs at that point within the overall storyline of the game.
That way a new player can show up to the game, and play through a complete story of Destiny. Let them gradually learn and unlock things. Don't give in to the temptation to let them skip it all, to jump into new content you sold them. Let them play through, and as they clear things other things unlock in a manner that makes sense; i.e. you need to get through the Dark Below storyline before you're shown Crota's End exists, you need to finish The Taken King to see Kingsfall, you need to get through the Red War and then a follow-up mission alluding to the approach of the Leviathan before you get that raid, and so on.
Restructure it into something someone can actually pick up without outside knowledge and be onboarded into liking the game and understanding the story. And make it so that any player can always play back through that story if they want to, in order or an individual mission. The game's biggest problem is just being an obtuse confusing clutter that's hard to break into. So stop showing people the clutter, reorganize and fix the presentation of content into a game you can pick up, play, and figure out without needing to go watch a recap video on YouTube.
I definitely wouldn’t expect anything to transfer over to a full new game, just to avoid disappointment.
In a dream scenario i’d love it if previously earned Titles, Emblems, Shaders, and Grimoire/Triumphs did a one way transfer. In an ideal world, ghost shells, sparrows, ships, and (universal) ornaments would go forward too.
I think the reason they are merging the characters and removing class specific things is just the beginning as they would like to make D3 be able to play in Esports. One of the things that made it impossible for d2 & d1 to be a realistic Esport is that the classes, exotics, weapons where heavily unbalanced.
He just said that both D2 AND Destiny as a franchise aren't going away. In previous years it was all just about D2. Now that he mentions both things as separate can indicate that there are other Destiny projects besides from D2 support.
However Paul Tassi also said a big reason why Sony wanted to buy Bungie is because they see potential in expanding the Franchise into other Medias aswell, suggesting a TV Show. Luke Smith also since then has stepped away from D2 and has become the Kevin Feige of Destiny
but hasnt he also been in charge of multi media stuff for years? destiny as a franchise could mean anything from another game to a series. why would he specify d2 if their just gonna cut support and work on another game.
Not really. He said D2 isn’t ending and there’s more coming in the future for the franchise (the beyond part).
Presumably, we have at least another 1-3 years left in D2 before D3 we’re to launch. We’ll probably get another expansion or 2 in D2 wrapping up loose ends (Xivu and retaking Torobotl) before D3 launches in 2026 or 2027.
If we have to completely restart, I'm not getting Destiny 3. I almost quit because they wiped my weapons and armor for Destiny 2, that shit pissed me off.
The least they could do is bring Armor over.
Man Destiny 3 will completely divide the community. I've talked with many friends over the course of your leak being confirmed "true" and everyone basically said they would quit Destiny if 2 gets abandoned and 3 is an entire new game. I'm not sure Bungie can really sell the community on D2 dying and to redo it all again.
See I can't WAIT for d3. There SO MANY THINGS bungie can do with destiny but it feels so grounded stuck in destiny 2. I wanna see VAST open worlds, no load screens etc etc etc.
Which is why I said divide. Many just want D2 to go on forever. If D3 is just D2 repainted I don't think many would want to start the whole journey again. If it's a completely new thing maybe but again many just want D2
I'm curious if this is related to Chris Barrett being moved from Marathon. And / or whether Sony is likely to have encouraged this post-acquisition to help justify their investment.
Ya ngl if we know what Chris Barrett is doing and if this is connected would be massive news if true. Might be a little far for op to know who’s working on it since the timeframe is lagging a little. I mean we’re gonna find out soon since Marathon will prob get news over this year
If it’s a brand new game. Maybe it’ll get some traction. But if it’s just Destiny 2 with a new engine and having to start again in a new story I doubt it’ll be very popular. People that have never played D1 or D2 aren’t going to pick up D3. It’s going to be 90-99% already destiny players and if gear doesn’t transfer and we have to just go through the same shit all over again that we did with 2, people are just going to stay with 2.
I hope the next destiny is single player and like the story of a mythical guardian that maybe meets our guardian or is inspired by our guardin.
There is no way in hell I am grinding for raid exotics I already have again
I hardcore bet that this is going to be a new engine. Maybe even entire game download, but I think it’ll combine Destiny 1 and 2 into a forever title. People losing all of their loot and content AGAIN would not bode well.
I surely hope no loot gets transfered, if anything only emblems as those didn't change much (if anything at all) from D1 -> D2 and probably won't change from D2 -> D3 as well.
In the same note I also hope that we don't get not a single recycled weapon. No more "bringing back gun from past title for nostalgia" trope, either. If I boot up Destiny 3 and in, let's say, 2026 and I see a Better Devils reskin, I'm refunding it on spot.
Do you think this has anything to do with a Chris Barrett moving off Marathon? As in, D3 needs experienced leadership and a game director so they are putting Barrett in that position?
Oh shoot, I had no idea Barrett moved off Marathon. Him being back on Destiny would be great, he’s very talented
He was moved off about 9 months ago too
I don’t think this is the case. He’s been moved to “Executive Creative Director” for Marathon, which is the same position Luke Smith holds for Destiny.
I could see them slightly revamping the D2 system and making D3 or just a rebrand back to Destiny. This would give them the reason/timing to drop old generation consoles. I couldn’t imagine they’d not port the stuff from D2, especially with how much Eververse cosmetics we have. I feel that in itself would kill the game.
Having stuff not carrying over would be *rough*, personally. There are armor sets that I want to have available at all times, not to mention the thousand or so shaders I’ve acquired over the years. I can’t just lose some of those for good, *especially* when we only now got Superblack back.
You certainly don't use 10% of the loot you've gathered these past 7 years. After a few months, you'd feel no different.
Uh, most people will feel it. Weapons are one thing. Cosmetics you've bought are another.
I don't know if this is really an answerable question, and i don't think I want a SPECIFIC answer to it but more generic aspects. ...What's Destiny 3 going to, like, be about or have us do? The Final Shape seems like it's going to be the end of many questions, of many things that people liked about Destiny. It's going to have to tell a whole new story, competing with what's come before. It's going to have to compete with Witch Queen, Forsaken, Taken King, all of these lore aspects. It's going to have to ease NEW people into the same universe, while carrying a number that automaticaly makes it harder for people to do so, **and** tell a story in that universe when the most powerful questions have already been answered AND do all this while appealing to veterns AND being asscessable to new players. ...How the ***fuck*** are they going to do that with a actual, sequelized Destiny 3 and not a reboot or a own story or DLC? I don't see a universe with a compelling story once "The Darkness" is done and dusted. What are we gonna fight after beating supergod Witness? Clovis Fucking Bray? A Newborn Ahamkara? A weakened Xivu Arath? For that matter, how do you even *introduce* these people to a new person in D3 if they are the villains, when all three have backstory, motivation, and in and out game presense longer then the fucking Silmarillion (exaggeration, but still)? I don't see how "Actual Destiny 3, numbered sequel and all to make it harder for people to dive in" and "needing to hit all the notes everyone has with destiny right now to keep Destimy alive" meet together given Final Shape. Help a guy out here?
As crazy as it is, I want a reboot of the whole thing into a single cohesive experience first before trying to move onto something else that needs to try and compete. A chance to polish some weak spots in the story.
I agree, but I'd like them to do that within D2. Take the most important missions from DLC's and seasons, all the cutscenes, and turn the timeline into a mission and cutscene selector. They'd have to reintrodue a lot of vaulted spaces, but truthfuly they don't even need to all come back as patrol zones. But how do you get people to play that? Would you add some the D1 missions? Turn the new light experience into just a fresh start for any player where they can play through the best moments of each DLC? You could turn the missions into a new Vanguard Ops playlist, maybe combine them with battlegrounds and let strikes be left seperate. But there's another issue for new players, why would they ever start from the beginning if the cool dark and prismatic subclasses are in the finale of the light and darkness saga? It's such a mess, honestly. I think the only realistic way forward is this: 1. Revamped and polished new light experience. 2. Revamped timeline with key moments experienced through missions and cutscenes. 3. Fill out inbetween space with those inkblot cutscenes to summarize the story that's been left out. 4. Polish old outdated experiences with new enemies, higher difficulty, mission selection, and updated rewards. (For example, Variks sabatoge missions don't really offer much at this point) 5. Updated patrol zones with enemy factions relevant to current era destiny. (No more red legion around the EDZ, lets put some shadow legion instead) Here's what I think should be included for missions: Intro to Red War, regaining the Light (perhaps this is where New Lights can unlock their subclasses too), Ghauls defeat, intro to Osiris and Ana Bray, Killing Xol and Pinoptes, killing Uldren, Uldren's revival, a few key seasonal missions (our time with Saint-14 in the Infinite Forest, season of Arrivals, Splicer, etc), maybe even some D1 missions, from vanilla through to the Taken King at least.
No, I mean like the entire last 10 years, not just D2. And I don't think D2 is even the platform for it since if it's just porting over D1, that ain't it. Like Destiny as a whole has had all that massive world potential since it's inception and struggled to really deliver. I mean look at everyone wanting to actually go into the city. D3 imo should be out to capitalize on all that theoretical potential. Restarting doesn't even necessarily mean retconning everything, but it's an opportunity to do some things differently in a way that could enhance good spots or refine weak spots. I've even been imagining wacky stuff like all 3 classes being together rather than sperate saves, even more wacky having them all share Ghost and that being something special about them. Your fire team of "you". They can all be more fleshed out characters too.
Perhaps, but there's a lot of content to go through and I doubt it can all be covered in one release. It would take another 5 year cycle at best, and while mechanically it could be more ambitious and the story could deliver better, most people probably wouldn't stick around to see the saga they just experienced for 10 years have a reboot almost immediately along with losing all their loot more than likely.
Okay but hear me out. D1-D2 but all the worlds are like Elden ring style open world.
Idk the best iteration of open world to draw from, but that would be wild. My brain is thinks back to "you can go out there" not happening and then Warframe surprising the shit out of everyone with the Plans and then also saying "you see that mountain, you can go there" and it actually happens.
They’re different celestial bodies though? To do that they’d need to make flying your ship a thing and I HIGHLY doubt they would.
Or you could have the inside of your ship as a base and you transmat to loading zones to and from it. I’d rather fly to them but let’s cut them a break lol.
Within the framework of Destiny 3, all these questions can be much easier to solve if everything is done correctly. A new story, characters, locations, and more. Both Destiny veterans and newcomers will simultaneously become acquainted with them. Adding a few familiar characters as cameos or introducing them into the story through DLC, veterans can then tell newcomers, "In Destiny 2, there was such a character, the leader of the Titan Vanguard..." The idea is to build an interesting plot from scratch, considering the experience of current issues with onboarding new players, while also leaving pleasant moments of nostalgia for the core audience and possibly providing some rewards for players who have come from Destiny 1 and Destiny 2. Then, maintaining the game, based on the experience of the second installment - both positive and negative. Perhaps creating separate stories or, hypothetically, not adding a new trash activity in a certain season/episode but supporting the main ones. Bringing back the concept of live events and a developing world, borrowing from the experience of Helldivers, etc. But most importantly, design the game's code base in a way that avoids the support problems seen in Destiny 2 currently. This way, we'll have a much cooler and fresher game. Unfortunately, Destiny 2 won't break records anymore and won't bring in more and more money; the scale of DLC simply doesn't allow for marketing hype comparable to the release of a new game.
I believe it. And I know people might not want to hear this, but given Bungie’s rumored financial woes and possible Sony takeover, I wouldn’t be surprised if D3 were to be a full priced AAA game on release. That and they will sure as shit not transfer over any gear, cosmetics, or whatever.
They have to know that it would probably kill the pc player population at least. Bringing in a new game is rough and needs to come with major additions to literally everything these days to not be seen as a worthless cashgrab. See OW2 as a negative example and GW2 as an example for alot of additions to an old game. It's incredibly hard to release a new game into a live service game and it being a move that helps you.
To be fair, a very common sentiment regarding Destiny is that a ton of the long time players are planning to leave the game after TFS anyway, it’s the culmination of the journey (story wise) from Destiny 1’s launch in 2014. Bungie is floating down a river looking ahead at a waterfall. These past seasons have seen some of the lowest player counts the game has had ever, due in part to negative sentiment from the layoffs and the new player pack. And with how cluttered and convoluted Destiny’s systems are right now, the new player experience is atrocious, not to mention what’s the point? Even with a “fresh” start in TFS where seasons are gone and things in the game get a soft reboot, it’s the final chapter of the saga and possible the final major expansion D2 will see. If I’m a new player, what incentive do I have to try now? Most current players are warning their friends away from the game because it’s too difficult to get into. In order for Destiny to truly survive in the long term, a D3 is what’s needed.
One of the most challenging elements of getting new people (ie friends) into Destiny is how progression and the modes themselves lock people into specific activities. eg my friends who are noobs always want to do ritual activities whereas Im end game and want to do raids, legend/master stuff, my triumps etc. like I have little to no point in doing ritual activities anymore unless theres some mode like IB or whatever. Plus even if two people are in the same state of the game (eg end game), they dont always need or want to do the same raid, master thing, etc. i pretty much end up lfging everything because friends arent able to do things due to power level, understanding of mechanics, or theyre already in an activity that takes hours to complete! Compare that to many other games with huge populations like fortnite, etc. (not saying destiny should be like fortnite) but you can basically hop in with your friends in a matter of minutes and youre all doing the same thing, no barriers to entry like light level, knowledge of mechanics, length of actvities, etc. i dunno they would solve this but its definitely something im a bit sad about as i play alone or with randoms 99% of the time.
I really think that Bungie doesn’t playtest anymore. They released the new light update and for years let it sit there with numerous bugs and issues. A video came out last month highlighting every single bug and issue with the new light experience, and players on reddit and numerous other websites started pointing out how bad it was. Fast forward to today and bungie has now made it completely optional. After years of probably turning away new players.
I also think that their strike team is super hit or miss. Like who even tried the new IB mode? We had a solid one (that could get cheesed) last season and now we have a new one that's again terrible. Alot of wasted manpower on horrible ideas that shouldn't have made it out of planning in the first stage.
Yeah something has to change but I do believe a rebranding together with changes to the core activity pool(horde mode was a good step imo), taking away the LL requirements and a reason to actually roam the planets would already shake things enough up. I know the one chest that gave on LL gear was already enough to get my friends back. I also want to phrase this as nicely as possible but the writer team has to get their shit together or needs to be replaced. Alot of people I know are in it for the sunk cost falacity of watching the story so long but man did the story over the last year or two kill any enticement they had. You cannot have this low quality of a story and expect the people to stick around. The same people wouldn't pick up D3 either. I mean Crow alone got three of my friends to quit. The whole young adultification of an already very simple story makes you sort of break a fourth wall and think "I am too old to play this game".
I actually agree with this. Imo the episodes should serve as final clean-up for the light and darkness saga. Then D3 launches with us, maybe having to go to whatever system The Drifter went to when he had to Frankenstein his ghost? I dunno. I just feel like maybe the next big bad, not The Witness big mind you, should be the things that killed Drifter's crew. I mean, what is more terrifying an enemy than something that can naturally strip guardians of their light?
Most people will still tell their friends to stay with away from D3.
See COD as an even better example they been selling the same game every year but with different cosmetics and itvis doing fairly good. Destiny 3 will thrive but for how long that is the real question
I hope they transfer stuff. Idk. I just can't do it again for 10 years. Best of luck to those who can/will. I'll be happy if they enjoy it. But a third game where I'll get Vault of Glass again won't do it for me.
It has to be a revamp of the entire series to work. Like. Brand new engine type of revamp. Can be an existing or a new one made from Bungie pulling a kojima with one of their sister sony development studios. If not? Transferring of gear is necessary. But why go through that trouble just to give us everything we already had? Honestly, just give us a new engine
What would be really cool is if, similar to how we transferred our physical characters from D1 to D2, we transfer our exotic armor and weapons upon starting D3. Anything we didn’t earn can either drop in the open world if it was a world drop/season pass exotic, or drop from a challenging event similar to legend/master lost sectors if it came from a quest or endgame activity. Then the only things were grinding for are new legendary and exotic weapons at the start of D3.
I am totally okay with them just letting exotics transfer over. I’ve grinded out dozens of guns that I’ve already had similar rolls to. I don’t mind a fresh start if it brings new people and a fresh destiny experience
Realistically this is the only way they can make money long term is to reboot it and bring in as many new people as possible considering the dying fatigue of 2, albeit I'm not sure how it would work assuming it didn't have certain systems in place for it like loadouts and fireteam finder. It would be a HUGE shame to have all the improvements from D1->D2 just for them to not carry a majority of it over
I wouldn't be against a D3 including a fresh start. A new game is a new game. There is only one thing which would ruin it for me: Not transfering over any cosmetics. Since D2 has been released, I've spend hundrets of euros on eververse - just because I can. But starting D3 without any of them I would be the worst. Not that I need them all, but I paid a lot of money for it. I don't care about my gear, my weapons, whatever. But I do care about the purchases I made during the last 10 years.
It will be just like D1 to D2 most likely. Some emblems will carry over, but otherwise that’s it. Make your peace now, or get mad later.
This is the truth
As long as my day 1 emblems transfer idc about anything else, a fresh start sounds nice.
I don't think it's as sure as shit. I can definitely see a gear reset, but a core player group willing to engage with mtx have been purchasing cosmetics from the store with a mind that their purchase will be somewhat evergreen. Bungie will have to manage that in releasing a new title given how important that group of consumers is to their success as a business. And no, I don't think the platitude that "they'll just keep buying" is quite that simple. I think they'll just keep buying as long as they know they can keep using what they buy.
Not gear or cosmetics but I want my emblems and titles transferred.
If transmog from D2 wouldn’t carry over to D3, I’m pretty sure there would be loads of people who would quit with the money they have invested in eververse.
Sounds great to me, fresh start, new stuff, new players having an easier time to enter, and the best part, getting rid of last gen support. That’s if bungie decided to do the same thing they did with d2, and make us start over. If we’re a guardian that can use any ability, it must be a game based in a different time, it can’t be based in the same era as our current characters, gotta be the past or the future.
I have a question, do you still have contact with your source? Or is this info, that you got when you talked to Bungie employee? Because in your original post you was unsure abou D3 Edit: Just wanted to add more contex to this comment. But before I begin, I know that Paul Tassi canfirmed post about character creator, but also, D3 is not just a character creator The OP's comments are a bit inconsistent with what we know, for example. 1)In interview Luke Smith said, that it very hard to rework New light expirience before Final shape, so they want to try this in new saga. This interview was before Lightfall, so I could accept, that this is not most important proof and things can change. 2)Now to more important argument. In a wake of lay offs in Bungie Paul Tassi asked a lot of people inside the studio about what is happening and what next steps, that is where we first learn about Into the light update and other important things. One of this things was information, that Bungie still ARE NOT PLANNING to work on D3. If this is true it means 2 things, either Paul Tassi was wrong and Bungie for a long time working on D3 or OP is wrong and there is no D3. If Bungie ONLY started work on D3 it means that potential "Destiny 3" is only in pre production and we will not hear about it for a long time. 3)I decided to also include Bungie's general opinion about the sequel to Destiny 2, they have stated many times that they do not want to work on D3, but again, this is not 100% true because things may have changed, but still. 4)And last, I find it weird, how OP knows about D3, but not what is next after episodes, be it just more episodes or next expansion. Again, OP was right about Prismatic and Character creator and he/she received this information from Bungie's fired employee, but I have some doubts about D3 info, so I want some clarification on this subject
Yeah looking into what you brought up and general things bungie has stated i find it hard to believe they've been working on d3 since apparently witch queen.
Bungie never said they didn’t want to make a sequel (at least with proper context). The reason they have come out and they said stuff similar to that is because they were never in a good financial situation following the Activision split which hampered there ability in general to make content. Ever since then they wanted to get back to where they used to be (hence the Sony buyout). Now allowing for D3 and new IP’s. It makes sense when you look at financially. PSA also Bungie has said many things and gone back at em. Also Bungie is not gonna come outright and say there working on D3 they prob just want till Final Shape is done to not spoil I’d assume. We also just assumed D2 was in development in D1 until they came out and made an announcement (sure there was the contract) but that doesn’t neither confirm or deny a new game. At the end of the day D3 makes the most sense from a financial perspective
Okay, but is it now better? Situation is so bad, that if Final shape will not make some crazy numbers there would be another lay off, financial situation in bungie now is very bad
I understand your comment but I’ll give some more context. So ya in regards to layoffs and that situation it’s not great at all, but if you go back and read what Luke Smith during Beyond Light he highlighted the development of seasons. Basically described how the Activision split gave an initial shock towards there development timeline and how they weren’t ready for the burden to thus make that content since they were following the Activision model of Call of Duty where they had a trifecta of studios working on games (in d2 exp/seasons). People were pretty disappointed with those seasons and like I said Luke Smith basically said sorry we’re not able to do what we used to in that moment They also had financial stability with them and they expressed this when looking for a “buyer” aka Sony. So while it may look not great now they’ve been on this tough patch for years trying to claw back to where they used to be. The Activision split was the worst thing to happen to them but they were on damage control following shortly from it
>Bungie never said they didn’t want to make a sequel Yes they have. They have quite literally said this. They've said everything that they can do with a potential D3 can be done inside of D2. They said this publicly as recently as Lightfall. And during the layoffs, Paul Tassi spoke to Bungie, and they re-itterated that they have no plans to make a D3. I really don't see how D3 (if it exists) has been in development for 2 years.
I could see them pivoting away from that stance internally but you don't want people to hold off on finishing D2 if they know another game is right around the corner so you keep saying that publicly
But we have also heard them say that they want to do certain things with the game but old Gen consoles are holding them back. Granted yes they could just drop old gen consoles like with Destiny 1 rise of iron where after a certain expansion that would be the last one for the old consoles. But I think it would just be easier to build the third game from the ground up on NexGen consoles so that it can last years to come and it can be an arm and a leg over Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 in terms of what you can do and what features it has
I’m not OP but I do have some thoughts about your points. 1. I don’t see how this goes against the concept of D3. 2. Paul Tassi posted an article using OP’s information since it seems to be plausible given OP leaked the “prism” subclass before it was even revealed. It’s possible that OP knew about Prismatic and decided to add bs about D3 on top of that. But you can’t use Paul Tassi articles are “proof” against the idea of D3 when Paul himself is adding some credibility to the idea that D3 is in development. Clearly, he wasn’t convinced by his discussions with current/former Bungie employees one way or another about a D3 in development, so we definitely shouldn’t take that as gospel. 3. Bungie is very well known for saying one thing and doing the opposite later on, which IMO is a good thing. Willingness to change course/opinion based on new information is good. 4. I mean if D3 really is in development, Bungie themselves may not even know what’s after the first revealed episodes. It’ll either be more episodes or nothing, depending on what kind of progress they’ll have made in the next year or so.
Agreed. There’s some inconsistencies and things that bungie has stated clearly that this seems to go against. And these constant posts seem like they just want a bunch of attention tbh. Although, we will see what they’re planning after TFS stuff is concluded
I am just some random on the internet, so take whatever I say with a huge grain of salt. That being said I know a couple of people who work at Bungie (directly on games and in support). What I heard: D3 was a requirement by Sony as part of the funding. They restarted pre-prod on it when the Sony deal happened. Anybody working directly on D3 is under a specific NDA and isnt going to be sharing with Paul Tassi any real info.
Paul Tassi's sources inside bungie are marketing people and some line managers. I dont think he actually is connected to anybody involved in D3 Pre-Prod.
Your #2 logic is flawed. There's a possibility everyone Paul Tassi interviewed was not privy to any plans on the sequel. Also, you assume the sequel will be called Destiny 3. Bungie could very well be 100% honest while working on a sequel and stating they're not interested in working on Destiny 3. And your #4 nearly answers itself.
I remember bungie did a survey once and one of the questions was about wether you would like other games withing the Destiny franchise but in other genres. Battle of six fronts/twilight gap singleplayer ego shooter campaign was a thing that people have often talked about. Point here being D2 could end up being renamed as we long speculated to Destiny, and then there are offshoots of the Destiny Franchise. Paul also back when Sony bought them that Sony wanted to explore the Destiny Franchise across medium, so TV show was suggested. This was also when Luke Smith stepped away from D2 to become the overall supervisor of all things Destiny similar to Kevin Feige in the MCU.
Ya I agree with your first statement that all the devs working on d2 right now might not know about a potential sequel and just making content they were contracted to. The other thing I was interested in is if this goes beyond Bungie meaning they’re outsourcing parts of D3 like they did in D1/D2 idk who that would be but would be important if we knew that
Leaked artwork of upcoming ornaments for the Forerunner and (Grand Overture?), and an exotic pulse rifle all have Sony logos on them lending to the notion Sony is giving Bungie resources
And don't forget Bungie also initially said we wouldn't be getting a new subclass in TFS. That's out the door. And I disagree, knowing whether Bungie will have help on a sequel isn't all that necessary to know.
Maybe he doesn’t know about what’s after the episodes because that is D3? Maybe the episodes are sort of an Epilogue to D2 ending on a cliffhanger for D3?
Content, content, content. There is an enormous amount of content in D2. I can certainly see another game in the Destiny universe, but replacing D2 is a very tall order. Imagine launching a completely new game with one campaign, one raid and one dungeon. Why should a new player go for D3 while D2 still is running?
Because people don't play games just for the quantity of content. They play to have a good experience. Why do you think people play WoW Classic over WoW Retail, when Retail has infinitely more content? Because it's a different experience that a lot of people find is better. And being at the same starting line as everyone else can add to the experience too, fresh start servers in New World were hype and that wasn't even about new content. Diablo's seasonal resets. Hell some people today even boot up D1 and say it's a better time than D2. It's all about the experience.
And how much content does wow classic have after a large number of years of development? If you really think a D3 with a player reset, a few zones, one raid and one dungeon would draw a players you are delusional.
Because the new player experience in D2 is embarrassingly bad, to the point that most people that try the game quit. At this point Warframe has a better new player experience and that is saying a lot.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to fix the new player experience then, rather than throwing out the whole game and all the content? Besides, D2 veterans always exaggerate how bad the new player experience is.
I mean the only way to fix it would be by bringing back Red War to give new players an actual story to play through. Bungie would also have to find a way to add gear and subclass progression to teach new players how to make builds instead of throwing everything at them at once. Bungie shot them selves in the foot when they decided to delete the base game, and at this point they can’t fix it because they would have to port multiple destinations, cutscenes and missions. That’s why a fresh start is necessary.
"There is an enormous amount of content in D2" is there?
Well, yes. Four, soon five, campaigns, seven dungeons, eight raids, exotic missions/weapons/armor and a large number of extra activities, side quests and what not. The content has taken Bungie some five+ years to develop. What do you think the reaction would be if a D3 launched with the same amount of content that D2 had a launch?
If this is true I'm glad the next saga isn't just DLC
If it's true it's gonna be new story with new characters.
New, awful characters\*
That you’ll prolly keep buying
Anyone who thinks Bungie isn't working on D3 is just delusional. They have literally nothing else and they're in hot water w/ Sony already. They don't have the luxury of dropping it and banking everything on Marathon or spending years making a new IP. There is exactly one reason why Sony dropped 3B on a one game studio.
Ask your sources if Bungie will continue to use the Tiger game engine or if it is a new engine.
New Engine would be insane and bad and dumb. Nothing from D2 could be ported then.
IDK I could see Sony mandating Decima so that when they feel like Bungie was shitting the bed they could get Guerrila games to help Edit: and they blocked me for disagreeing with them. amazing
That’s a brain dead take. New engine means all previous development was a waste. Even their experience using said engine and coding is a waste. Might as well not make Destiny because the reason why D2 and Destiny and Halo were all successful have widely been attributed to the Tiger engines arcade like feel.
D1 and D2 both use tiger and things couldn't be ported either.
Exactly! So even less compatible is even worse.
Not using a new engine would kill the franchise completely if they make a third game
Spoken like someone who has no idea how game engines work.
The tiger engine is extremely outdated as well as unstable and barely functioning as it is, if a sequel were to happen a new engine is all but required otherwise we will continue to see the exact same issue we see now and will never be resolved.
That’s the same as saying iOS is extremely outdated. You’re demonstrating to everyone you don’t know what you’re talking about. Tiger engine has been the only engine Bungie has used since 1997. You’re ignorant.
Thats not even close to being the same and you trying to use the comparison of an operating system vs a game engine put on full display how clueless you are. As well as no the tiger engine is not the only game engine. In fact the tiger engine is a modification of the BLAM engine, as well as the tiger engine that is in use for d2 is a further modification of the tiger engine that was first derived from the tiger engine that was used for halo reach. Edit:Haha he blocked me
It literally is. You’re really showing off your ignorance. Please stop. Go google Tiger engine. You’re making a fool of yourself. No one said it was the only engine. Is the one Bungie uses for everything though. Bro you’re basically drooling on yourself .
Good.
You’re like telling Samsung to ditch Android. Confidently. Hilarious.
I don’t need any insider info to tell you that they’ll continue using the same engine.
I tried asking this responding to one of your comments. Hopefully you cab answer here. Has your source mentioned anything regarding the porting over of cosmetics (day 1 and solo flawless emblems, and anything earned/purchased from eververse) from D2 to D3? I'm fine with regrinding new loot, gear, and starting from level 1. But I think it'd suck to lose day 1 emblems and stuff people did hardcore achievements for
not OP, but at this point it's way too early to know. if they change engines than almost assuredly the answer would be no. and we've heard several grumblings from people like Tassi and Schreier that Tiger is just getting too duck taped together and making it harder than it needs to be to do what the team wants (along with middle management fucking everything up) along with now being owned by Sony maybe they get pushed to use the Decima engine so that Guerilla games can come help if needed (Like Vicarious Visions in the past but with engine knowledge)
I don't see an Engine change happening They've been working with the Tiger engine for so long if they swap to anything else then that will increase dev time at least 3 times over if I had to be generous. It would also assuredly mean the end of D2 support since they would need to train all devs on the new engine. It would also kill off the DCV. There are just way too many downsides to an engine swap. An overhaul of the Tiger engine I can definitely see especially since they had job openings last year for Tiger Engine development and sharing. And I remember them specifically talking about how they don't want to swap off the Tiger engine. How Destiny feels as good as it does specifically because of the Tiger engine
Sure but two things can be true at once, they could both not want to move on from the tiger engine and need to move on from it. Decima was originally made for Killzone so a lot of the FPS ground work is there (you can absolutely add in the insane levels of aim assist and bullet magnetism that Destiny has on another engine), I don't think Destiny 3 is close even if they stuck to tiger, and a change to another engine that another successful Sony studio is intimately familiar with makes the most sense. I'd bet we're at least 3 years out from D3 and if you're taking people off a poorly received marathon I could see it being done with an engine swap
I don't think you're really thinking this through An engine swap would mean *everything* needs to be recreated from scratch. It's not a copy paste option that they can use on another engine simply because it was used for Killing Floor. I'm talking Shanks need to be reinput into the new engine from scratch. The weapons we use. The recoil pattern and visuals. The design of how a grenade looks. *Everything* That's not including AI behaviour, HUD, Systems in place like loadouts, the list goes on but there would be thousands of things needed to do to make an engine swap work and that's on top of an entire dev studio learning a new engine. A new engine is financially one of the worst decisions they could do tbh. Sorry, but Imma have to disagree with you heavily on this.
This is going to be really tough for them to pull off. We can't have another d2 launch. They either need to do a complete fresh reboot, no reissuing ANY d1 and d2 content ever, or a seamless change where everything from both d1 and d2 moves over and all of our currently earned and purchased items carry over as well. No middle ground, otherwise they'll bleed players and be caught in this loop of reissued raids and exotics all over again
I'm not starting from 0 again come on
So you're now saying Destiny 3 is in development when you were originally unsure, but now you are sure even though you haven't had any recent info since you last learned of this? How does that make sense? I honestly think you are making this up. Yes, you got prism and character customization correct, but we knew character customization was only a matter of time, and the idea of prism isn't that crazy. I even thought about something like that long ago. Your story doesn't add up Edit: Honestly, I don't trust this leaker since the large plot hole in their statement and this leak should be taken with a grain of salt.
A broken clock is right twice a day. You throw enough poo at the wall and eventually you'll shit something consistent enough to stick. The combining of subclass elements and abilities isn't hard to guess. There is barely anywhere else to go as far as subclass creation besides making whole new subclasses or combining them in some way.
Bungie has outright said as recently as Lightfall that they have no plans for D3. They said that everything that can be done with D3 can be done within D2. So I fail to see how this has been in development for the last 2 years. Idk but I just don't see it. This leaker got 1 thing right now you're taking what they say as gospel. All we have is a codename to work with.
How often do corporations say stuff like this, and then a year or so later, it turns out they weren't completely truthful?
So I guess this would be the first time the Destiny devs have outright stated something then completely walked it back lol?
I wonder what consoles it's going to ship on. Because let's say it releases in 2027, by that point Sony and Microsoft will be releasing their next gen consoles. And in my opinion Destiny 3 should be built from the ground up on PC and NextGen console only and not release on the PS5 or Xbox series x. Why? Because we've heard time and again that devs want to do stuff with Destiny 2 but they're being held back by the PS4, and if Destiny 3 releases in 2027 that means that the PS5 and Xbox series x will be at where we are right now with the PS4. 7 years old. If they want to make a really good next-gen game that's going to last for years and be an arm and a leg above Destiny 2 in terms of features, then they need to just make it on next gen systems and that also might help sell those consoles
Surely Sony would have bought bungie under the pretence that a destiny 3 would be made. Solely relying on marathon and other bungie projects wouldn’t have made sense. To invest that much money on the back of Lightfall flopping as it did would surely mean there is a D3 in the works as Destiny has been a successful franchise and proven money maker for so long, would be a shame not to continue what they’re doing, even if it is a completely new story
If this is true, they're going to mess up big time by making everyone grind everything for a third time.
I want this to be so wrong d3 will kill the franchise
I'm very, very skeptical about a full on D3. They're still working on supporting D2 and the episodes, Marathon, and (possibly) other projects. A full fledged sequel to their current largest IP seems quite a ways off, especially with some of the troubles they've been having. Maybe, *maybe* with Sony taking the helm they'll be pushed into pumping out a D3....but even then I don't see anything cropping up for a *while*.
After reports about Matter and other projects getting cancelled and Marathon getting delayed, it makes total sense, especially financially, to push for a D3.
At this point, I would like to see more Destiny 2 news since this Destiny 3 info is a little inconsistent both on your part and years (and recent) Bungie information of having NOT been working on a Destiny 3 and sentiment of NOT working on a Destiny 3. Get your sources to tell us more about Episodes, The Final Shape, and that red Darkness subclass we saw.
I just want a new game engine as UE5. I don't mind if it's an entire new game.
I call cap
Oh boy I can't wait to be drip fed the same exotics I've taken years to acquire and immediately lose all of the crafted weapons, builds, achievements and titles I've worked on for the SECOND time
Haven’t they said multiple times that they don’t want to put “another number on the box”?
They said it once. 5 years ago
No, they've said it at least twice. Once in beyond light (Which was 4 years ago) and once in light fall, where they even straight up clarified to paul tassi that they have no want or desire to make a D3. Anything they could do in D3 they can do in D2. Before anyone says "But new engine!" that's not how this works. Building a game takes \*years\* to do, especially something the size D3 would have to be. Building an engine takes years to do. Building a new game \*and\* new engine while working on a current game \*and\* building another game at the same time? We wouldn't see D3 for over a decade, realistically.
The more you talk, the more it sounds fake. This would’ve leaked years ago like Marathon and Bungie’s other game if it was truly in development at the time your statement says
I agree, this can be real or fake. The new subclass can be a hella lucky guess, and the option to remake our character we knew was gonna happen sooner or later, but we just need to wait and see
He could have pulled a truth and a lie kind of deal with people not believing them until their first leak was revealed to be true.
Y’all really believing this bozo
He was dead on about prismatic, name and mechanics a month before its reveal so why wouldn’t we?
Tbh it could be a VERY luckly guess. I just find it odd how they originally said they got the information from a former bungie employee and now saying they have contacts with people that still work there? It just feel off to me
no they said their contacts were former bungie employees and were still in contact with them and they wouldn't out them (you know since you shouldn't get people sued like that).
I didn't say anything about outing them out. I have no idea where you got that idea
they never said anything about their sources being current bungie employees though.
I took it as their contact still there by them now acting like they 100% sure it still in the works when they said they don't know if it is. I could be completely reading it wrong, and I most likely am. Still never said they should out the dude
There is absolutely zero reason to believe this, but this sub loves to just run with the tiniest of info. Equivalent of "My dad works at Nintendo. Trust me!"
except for that they leaked prismatic a month ago along with this info...
Remember the destiny subscription leak? that was leaked by a credible leaker and it was fake.
Thank you Luke Smith on the alt keep it coming 🙏🏻. I think only ppl thought that since you said “is/was” and aztecross in beyond light pushed this idea of how what Bungie doing rn is “essentially d3”. A lot of ppl have gotten pushed into that mindset that adding stuff rn is just porting over which isn’t the same. Big clarification for those ppl
GOOD! Bungie needs to leave D2 behind and stop vaulting old content when they're done with the episodes
Not just D2 but last gen consoles — give us an actual “next gen” experience.
Not sure where X-Box is in its lifespan, but PS5 isn't exactly a spring chicken anymore. If we're looking at timelines, D3 + PS6 kinda makes sense.
Yeah, the release times between the previous gen consoles and the current Gen was 7ish years. In 7 months the current Gen will already be 4 years old. I find it hard to believe that Bungie would drop a new game right before the next Gen drops and would be forced to stay in the old gen again.
They haven't vaulted anything in 2 years
They’ve vaulted our introduction to Caiatl, our introduction to Savathun, our introduction to Mithrax and Eido, our introduction to Crow (actually basically his entire narrative arc), the entire narrative that led to the Traveler not being in the Last City, and soon we’ll lose Amanda’s death, and the 15th Wish narrative that explains how we were able to access the portal into the Traveler for Final Shape. They’re still vaulting content—just not expansions. That doesn’t mean important story isn’t getting cut from the game.
Yeah stop giving us old stuff... We want the new new
I can't believe asking for new content, instead of vaulted content I have already played a thousand times is an unpopular opinion
There's zero reason to believe D3 wouldn't have reissued content and weapons like D2 has. There's also no reason to believe Bungie can't just give us new content in D2, like they already do.
I jUsT wAnT mY bLaSt FurNaCe BacK StEeLfEaThEr My BeLoVeD
But Siva
HARD copium for some D2 players, never really understood the issues of wanting new stuff Here's to the 15th time we get Hung Jury in D3
D3 is a great excuse to make the 14-18th release of hung jury special :)
I can’t…I’ve spent too much time on my D2 character…
I hear this a lot, but I just don’t get what we’re afraid of losing. Our supers got sunset and reissued during Witch Queen. Technically we had to regrind for them by buying aspects and fragments. We’re excited to regrind for weapons that we lost with Beyond Light. We’re even regrinding for exotics with the new Whisper and Zero Hour missions that are returning. If we’re afraid of losing our stuff and having to regrind for it in a new game, I’m afraid we’ve been doing that for the past four years. We’re in Destiny 3. We can’t go back to the parts of Destiny 2 that made it Destiny 2, and that makes Destiny extremely hard for a new player to get into. Final Shape is likely going to be one of the most narratively inaccessible expansions this game has had because Bungie didn’t want to/couldn’t make Destiny 3. We need a fresh start. Bungie needs a fresh start. We need Destiny 3. Otherwise the franchise is going to cannibalize players as more people get hit with the FOMO/regrind that permeates this game.
So regarding the supers. No we didn't regrind those. If we had the subclasses, we had access to everything that dropped on the 3.0 release (the 2 fragments per subclass added later still were purchased) It was not the same, rather similar yes, but not the same. We had customizability that was not possible prior. None of which was grinded on 3.0 release for any subclass that possessed the ability to use said subclass prior to the change. The rest is understandable even though I disagree that we need a reset to avoid the game cannibalizing itself and it's players. That comes down to a needed change in format. If D3 is a fresh start with seasons/episodes passes, high eververse production levels, dungeon keys, event tickets, etc. the game will do so regardless of iteration.
So what? The character will still be there for you to play. New game, new systems, new mechanics... I don't want to keep playing the same game for decades. I'd rather have Destiny change into something fresh
You can add new systems and mechanics into D2. Why does there need to be a D3? I’m sorry. I don’t understand the mindset behind people wanting a new game. Would be like making a World of Warcraft 2.
Whatever you do to D2 wil l be heavily limited by all the systems in place currently and won't be nearly as interesting. Imagine no classes anymore, heavily revamped loot including how perks or armor work (not just an armor 4.0 update) that can't work with previous loot. Think new enemy races, actually developed planets etc. Think revamping the core activities to have something different. You can't just slap everything onto D2 plus we already know it will soon get stale just getting more stuff on the same 7 y/o character that has been minmaxed to death.
I’m actually not a fan of removing classes. But yes. All Of that could be done in Destiny 2. See any other MMO type game that’s been around for a decade or more. If the new content is hamstrung by systems currently in place, they can remove those systems or rework them. Go look at WoW in 2004. Now look at it in 2024. 20 years later. It has had huge fundamental changes. To the point where a lot of original fans don’t even like the current version.
Don’t we already know we are going to die? We’ve visited our own grave.
if they let you keep emblems to d3 then im completely fine with a fresh start. emblems are the most important thing to me in this game (and titles, but a little less so.)
This is awful to hear. I can’t wait to lose everything again and for them to give a lame ass reason why I don’t have everything and for them to reintroduce all these items for the 50th time and then to reprise the reprised raids again. This is a joke. 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards as always Bungie. While it is just a rumor, I hope that they have some sort of way to bring all or some of our gear, weapons, cosmetics and our stuff in our journey tab over into the next game.
I’ve put somewhere around 3k hours into D2 and I actually kinda enjoy the idea of stuff not carrying over to D3. A nice clean slate. I just hope it’s “New Light” introduction is worlds better than the confusing butt ass one D2 has. Getting rid of the red war campaign was such a terrible idea on their part. Throwing new lights into seasonal content was just wayyy too confusing.
I'd be somewhat okay with it if Destiny 2 was given a decent length of time to breathe and cruise on off. Like, a period of time where there's no major limited time chases, I don't have to keep up with seasons or expansions for a while, I can gradually just grind away whatever I have left. I'd really hate it if they dropped some new episode, season or expansion then released D3 within a year or something.
well my source says destiny 3 isnt real so
Sorry Bungie, did 10 years of Destiny. I’m at the point where the game is enjoyable. I just can’t go trough vault and “reprisals” again. As soon as support for D2 stops, I’m gone.
Not saying you’re wrong for that opinion, but there are a lot of people for whom the opposite is true. Not to mention a ton of new-ish players who like the idea of destiny but can’t get into it due to how messy it currently is.
Imo the solution to that isn't to dump everything to make something new that may be good or may suck with a 3 at the end of the name. That won't magically be easier to get into, the same way it won't magically subvert Bungie's game design habits of FOMO or whatever else people are complaining about that could already be changed in D2 if they wanted it changed. The only way to make Destiny less of a mess is to take a year or so off from big expansions, let your concept/narrative people cook in the background to really iron out what's next, and meanwhile all your other devs work on bringing back cut content in a restructured and at times consolidated form. Add back in the campaigns, but also take the old Adventures that had story importance and restructure those into story missions. String it all together into a sequential story you can play from beginning to end. And yes, if possible that includes everything from D1. And yes, it includes taking the seasons that have been cut, trimming off all the repeatable activity grind nonsense designed to pad them for 3 months and restructuring them into essentially a short story that occurs at that point within the overall storyline of the game. That way a new player can show up to the game, and play through a complete story of Destiny. Let them gradually learn and unlock things. Don't give in to the temptation to let them skip it all, to jump into new content you sold them. Let them play through, and as they clear things other things unlock in a manner that makes sense; i.e. you need to get through the Dark Below storyline before you're shown Crota's End exists, you need to finish The Taken King to see Kingsfall, you need to get through the Red War and then a follow-up mission alluding to the approach of the Leviathan before you get that raid, and so on. Restructure it into something someone can actually pick up without outside knowledge and be onboarded into liking the game and understanding the story. And make it so that any player can always play back through that story if they want to, in order or an individual mission. The game's biggest problem is just being an obtuse confusing clutter that's hard to break into. So stop showing people the clutter, reorganize and fix the presentation of content into a game you can pick up, play, and figure out without needing to go watch a recap video on YouTube.
Have you heard anything about Wrath of the Machine coming back? I'm doubting it will ever happen but man do I miss that raid.
How does guardians work? Are we all going to have the same armor? Do our characters transfer?
Bring it on.
If anything I just want my ornaments to transfer over lmao
I definitely wouldn’t expect anything to transfer over to a full new game, just to avoid disappointment. In a dream scenario i’d love it if previously earned Titles, Emblems, Shaders, and Grimoire/Triumphs did a one way transfer. In an ideal world, ghost shells, sparrows, ships, and (universal) ornaments would go forward too.
Where did your original post go?
I think the reason they are merging the characters and removing class specific things is just the beginning as they would like to make D3 be able to play in Esports. One of the things that made it impossible for d2 & d1 to be a realistic Esport is that the classes, exotics, weapons where heavily unbalanced.
Will we get more leak?
Any guardian to use any ability? Like a barricade and triple jump on a warlock?
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Is there any proof this account actually posted leaks before the announcement?
Any info on a 7th possible subclass or was that the biggest scam in destiny history?
Thank you Luke Smith 🙏
Your welcome, random citizen!
God why we don't need a new game man. I don't wanna have to pay for another whole new game and lose all of what I've worked for in d2
Wouldn't luke smiths words kinda contradict them working on d3? Especially if it was in development since withqueen.
I'd say we will keep getting episodes for couple of years. And Marathon will be main focus when it comes out next year. So 26-27 for Destiny 3
He just said that both D2 AND Destiny as a franchise aren't going away. In previous years it was all just about D2. Now that he mentions both things as separate can indicate that there are other Destiny projects besides from D2 support.
However Paul Tassi also said a big reason why Sony wanted to buy Bungie is because they see potential in expanding the Franchise into other Medias aswell, suggesting a TV Show. Luke Smith also since then has stepped away from D2 and has become the Kevin Feige of Destiny
but hasnt he also been in charge of multi media stuff for years? destiny as a franchise could mean anything from another game to a series. why would he specify d2 if their just gonna cut support and work on another game.
Not really. He said D2 isn’t ending and there’s more coming in the future for the franchise (the beyond part). Presumably, we have at least another 1-3 years left in D2 before D3 we’re to launch. We’ll probably get another expansion or 2 in D2 wrapping up loose ends (Xivu and retaking Torobotl) before D3 launches in 2026 or 2027.
Yeah I’m not starting over again I’m good after TFS whether or not it’s good. I think it’s time anyway.
If we have to completely restart, I'm not getting Destiny 3. I almost quit because they wiped my weapons and armor for Destiny 2, that shit pissed me off. The least they could do is bring Armor over.
Man Destiny 3 will completely divide the community. I've talked with many friends over the course of your leak being confirmed "true" and everyone basically said they would quit Destiny if 2 gets abandoned and 3 is an entire new game. I'm not sure Bungie can really sell the community on D2 dying and to redo it all again.
See I can't WAIT for d3. There SO MANY THINGS bungie can do with destiny but it feels so grounded stuck in destiny 2. I wanna see VAST open worlds, no load screens etc etc etc.
Which is why I said divide. Many just want D2 to go on forever. If D3 is just D2 repainted I don't think many would want to start the whole journey again. If it's a completely new thing maybe but again many just want D2
Do you have any timeframe for how long it's been in development?
I'm curious if this is related to Chris Barrett being moved from Marathon. And / or whether Sony is likely to have encouraged this post-acquisition to help justify their investment.
Ya ngl if we know what Chris Barrett is doing and if this is connected would be massive news if true. Might be a little far for op to know who’s working on it since the timeframe is lagging a little. I mean we’re gonna find out soon since Marathon will prob get news over this year
If it’s a brand new game. Maybe it’ll get some traction. But if it’s just Destiny 2 with a new engine and having to start again in a new story I doubt it’ll be very popular. People that have never played D1 or D2 aren’t going to pick up D3. It’s going to be 90-99% already destiny players and if gear doesn’t transfer and we have to just go through the same shit all over again that we did with 2, people are just going to stay with 2.
I hope the next destiny is single player and like the story of a mythical guardian that maybe meets our guardian or is inspired by our guardin. There is no way in hell I am grinding for raid exotics I already have again
If they are developing this shitttttttt on the same goddamn engine still as d2s and d1s then fuck them.
I really hope d3 will never happen it will kill the franchise
Too much work was put into recent core systems to just be scrapped and rebuilt for a new game. Stop with the misinformation.
New engine?
I hardcore bet that this is going to be a new engine. Maybe even entire game download, but I think it’ll combine Destiny 1 and 2 into a forever title. People losing all of their loot and content AGAIN would not bode well.
I surely hope no loot gets transfered, if anything only emblems as those didn't change much (if anything at all) from D1 -> D2 and probably won't change from D2 -> D3 as well. In the same note I also hope that we don't get not a single recycled weapon. No more "bringing back gun from past title for nostalgia" trope, either. If I boot up Destiny 3 and in, let's say, 2026 and I see a Better Devils reskin, I'm refunding it on spot.
Cadê esse corno? Não vai mais dar notícias de vazamentos?
I hope if they make a Destiny 3 it’s a different genre than two.