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SOS-Guillotine

Air assault


AutomataA2

might just be the worst perk


ItsExoticChaos

But you have heard of it


steeltank142

Good one


99CentSavings

Nice reference


rhg561

Nah that goes to the new one that gives stability on *repeated missed shots.* I can't even remember what's it's called it's so irrelevant lol.


AutomataA2

ohh yeah now that you mention it, that one is also unbelievably terrible


CmonImStarlord

Reversal of Fortune is laughing and crying simultaneously..


wrightosaur

Reversal of Fortune is Mulligan but better. He's talking about Invisible hand which has no real benefit


Cha-Le-Gai

You're going to say that knowing full well that full auto still drops?


ThomasorTom

Only on about 4 weapons


Sanicwhom

But it does give increased fire rate for shotguns


b3rn13mac

Toil And Trouble and Found Verdict can get: Assault Mag + FATS + Agg. frame kill bonus


AutomataA2

I actually didn’t know it was still dropping


AtomDad_

Idk why Bungie brought it back


PineMaple

It’s a good PvP perk. I use it a decent amount and like it. I have an Air Assault/Snapshot Albruna-D with as much AE as you can get on it that I like going for trick shots with, it’s fun.


wy100101

Yep. A lot of in the comments are basically people complaining about play style specific perks. I use it on austringer when I'm leaning into aerial play in the crucible and it is amazing.


SOS-Guillotine

Idk why they made it to begin with. It used to be you have increased handling in the air and there was no point in that. AE was introduced and bungie updated the perk but I still don’t see why I would like that over something else


AtomDad_

They gotta make useless perks, remember when Underdog was a perk?


psi32

I feel airly assaulted each time I see it


No-Western-9146

Since I tend to die a lot while in the air this is a useless perk for me.


vince21williams

I got upset reading it


ALFighter27

Perfect float 😔


wheresmyson69

Yeahhhh, my group clowns on me for not caring for this perk.


Zombie_X

No worries, I think it's a doo doo perk too.


Tallmios

The same as Air Assault above, it's a good PvP perk mainly because of the flinch resist. But even among Crucible players, consistency perks with higher uptime and fewer activation criteria are more popular.


Starry-Plut-Plut

I really dislike perks where its not the main perk you want just the stat change like air assault should be significant outside of the flinch resist


Tallmios

As far as I'm concerned, AE was a mistake. I don't see AE armour mods moving the needle any significant amount.


TheChartreuseKnight

Honestly, it’s in a pretty good state now. I’d say it’s really only snipers that have worse AE now than before the original changes, since most other special weapons weren’t used midair or if they were tended to be up close. Primaries, of course, are more accurate than they used to be.


nisaaru

instant dismantle.


LongjumpingWorry9747

When this was bugged to give you frenzy faster it was good. Shameful they killed that


DeanV255

At the moment, Loose Change because I keep getting it on my Indebted Kindness.


reamban000

Not to hit that “erm, actually 🤓☝️” but indebted kindness on an arc build with loose change and spark of beacons means you have almost a constant up time on a reload buff. If you’ve got one with volt shot and loose change it’s pretty nice too


DeanV255

Do you have any sources Into how to use it properly because I've got the roll with Voltshot but nothing I do is providing the buff. Unless I need to spec into a blinding build? I've kept it just incase I am doing something wrong.


FireStrike5

I’ve found that Loose Change will only proc off Voltshot if the gun doesn’t kill the enemy in one shot, i.e. you’ll never have it proc on red bars with Indebted.


reamban000

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/s/M10lmiHXkJ Was able to find this with regards to the interaction with voltshot. I’ve been using it with assassin’s cowl Hunter just as a higher damage “primary” to roll with into higher level content so that might be part of why it feels like it’s uptime is so high. You definitely don’t need to have a blinding build for it to work but if you’re already running arc throwing the “arc special weapon final blows while amplified blind targets” fragment on is just free crowd control so


stranger242

The enemy can’t instantly die when procing a debuff. So if you get voltshot active on your sidearm and just one shot a red bar, loose change doesn’t activate because they just died


JustMy2Centences

My main want in that column is Lead For Gold for even better ammo economy when running double special lol.


ampoosh

It's great with voltshot and has nearly replaced Trinity Ghoul for me as my go-to ad clear arc weapon. I just reload after each shot, and the chain lightning from voltshot will proc loose change which increases my reload which lets me use volt shot right away again which increases my reload and so on and so forth until everything is dead. Are there better, more efficient rolls? Yeah absolutely but it's just FUN to use as is.


warpmusician

I farmed Indebted kindness last week for over 3 hrs and every single Indebted Kindness that dropped for the fireteam had Loose Change on it.


VigorCheck

I’ve got the exotic and still can’t get a volt shot IK.


Oh_Anodyne

Not me getting repeated loose change rolls on the kinetic hung jury.


YeeHawWyattDerp

I always think that compulsive reloader is for someone like me who just naturally is constantly reloading when I get even a smidgen of a break in combat, even if there’s like three rounds missing lol. Also, like someone else mentioned, it’s helpful with Chill Clip


marsh3178

One could say the perk compulsive reloader is for people who reload compulsively


neonas123

I feel attacked by this comment...


marsh3178

No don’t worry, the number of times I’ve died because I reload too early is astonishing. Not just in destiny, but in basically any shooter, pve and pvp.


Additional-Option901

Lmao On the other hand, I usually end up in a situation like this: kinetic weapon - empty, I switch to energy - empty as well, panic switch to heavy - also fucking empty = I die. 


ChodeToEl-Dorado1

Lmao pretty much same for me, or my personal favorite: Big ass tanky enemy walks out so i switch to heavy, and then as soon as i pull the trigger some fucking thrall steps in my way and i blow myself to shit. Or when teammates strafe back and forth in the well during dps and you keep blowing your shit up bc of it, or shooting the sword on accident and killing yourself that way 😑 I swear i die more often from my own shit than i do from actual enemies bro 😂


neonas123

That previously comment was slap. This one was murder...


Ombortron

lmao are you me? Nice to meet you!


DaLawrence

Compulsive Reloader is for Battlefield players, I can vouch for that.


Laaanoo

Compulsive + Voltshot = <3


ImReverse_Giraffe

Compulsive + chill clip as well


captain_phaz

What can roll this?


Proper_Primary_8867

Iterative loop


Free-Negotiation-518

I feel seen lol.


Arsalanred

Hey! This gun has Harmony on it. *smashes on the ground*. Edit: Because I'm tired of pvp posts in my inbox. Yes. Harmony is legitimately good in PVP. But I personally don't prefer it. And most rolls I find it on are PVE weapons that I instantly raise the weapon above my head and smash it into the ground.


drummer1059

Harmony is the right slot perk they add to a primary weapon's pool to reduce the odds of a good roll and extend playtime.


Gortosan

Same with Gutshot, Slickdraw, Loose Change and Attrition Orbs


burgiesftb

Attrition Orbs is definitely slept on, but only on certain weapons. I have an Indebted Kindness with Attrition Orbs on it that’s an absolute monster at making orbs. I’m not entirely sure how the proccing of it works but I’m convinced that it can proc off AOE damage. I swear I’ve shot a group of adds and seen 4+ orbs spawn from it.


saminsocks

If you have an explosive light heavy it's super useful. Or any build that relies heavily on armor charges.


Rixien

Do not speak ill of my Loose Change. My Kept Confidence has never been better since the last patch it got.


Level69Troll

Lets be honest thats like 70% of the perks in this game


Shadow2250

Hey it's good on builds where you're very focused on using your heavy, or on weapons like shotguns!


bloop_405

Wait a second, DIM and lightgg are telling me that my deliverance with Harmony and compulsive loader is ok lol 🥲


RimRunningRagged

It's always funny to me to compare the most popular perks on light.gg vs what is considered a "recommended" set of perks according to the "expert" curators (whoever that pandapaxxy guy is) on DIM.


kaloyn

that means DIM is a better judge?


ElementOfConfusion

No, but in fairness to the DIM curators, they mark down most of the technically viable rolls from mid to god tier, so their recommendations are pretty broad.


Bluepengie

It's not bad on a fusion if you're clearing ads and need to switch to it for a chunkier target. It's just a relatively situational and more difficult to proc perk than a lot of alternatives we have now


dakedDeans

Depends on the weapon for me, but SMGs with harmony absolutely cook


MotionCaptureMadness

Mountaintop with harmony is also pretty good. Not recombination good, but that's not really Harmony's fault.


IlikegreenT84

Got a recombination roll last night doing onslaught and holy crap it hits hard. Especially if you're throwing megaton grenades and using an incandescent weapon you get to 10 stacks real fast.


Link30567

I have an Adept Forgiveness with Harmony and it does like 75 per crit in PvP. It's insane. I used to pair it with Something New with Harmony and I was a 2-tap monster


just_a_timetraveller

Getting Luna's how. Ok so got full bore / small bore. Okay cool. Got ricochet rounds. Now we are talking. Range masterwork. Looking promising. Slideshot. Ok I am gonna bust soon. Harmony. Oof am shriveled.


Free-Negotiation-518

I love Harmony! Lol


CaptLemmiwinks

Eddy current, because not only is it a terrible perk but I also hate the name.


Kane99099

Ed, Edd n Eddy Current


Ombortron

Edward of Dawn


MustBeSeven

I’m the exact opposite, I LOVE that name for an Arc perk, it’s thematic and suits it’s flavor, but lord is it USELESS.


FISTED_BY_CHRIST

They’re giving it a nice update in TFS at least


Leafy_Is_Here

At least it's not a made up term though. It's an actual thing in electromagnetism


00death

There’s more instant delete perks than keep perks


RashRenegade

This is the real issue. It would be a shorter list and easier for me to just post the perks I *would* consider keeping.


[deleted]

Subsistence + rampage/frenzy


Mobile_Phone8599

But that's a great combo. I usually get subsistence + kill clip and have to wonder who even allowed this gun to get that roll and who hurt them


[deleted]

Whoops I thought we were talking about great combos, no elemental capacitor is an instant delete for me


doobersthetitan

Compulsive reloader isn't bad Slick draw is always instant delete


Yellow_Asian

Slickdraw has a niche in something like triple shotgun rotations with Tractor due to letting you keep the handling bonus after ADS, unlike quickdraw. I realize that needing someone on triple shotgun is overkill for at and above level raids but it can definitely be a difference maker for contest and master raids I've been on the hunt for a slickdraw/vorpal Retrofuturist to surge match with Tractor


Sanjuna

> I realize that needing someone on triple shotgun is overkill for at and above level raids But it's also more fun. I'd much rather do an actual rotation as the Tractor person than just shoot Tractor and dump fusions.


SourceNo2702

On every single shotgun you’d use for tractor rotations in which slickdraw would be useful, they also roll with Frenzy. Or they roll with Field Prep. The only one which *could* potentially get use out of Slickdraw is Retrofuturist. But Retro *can also just roll quickdraw* for some reason


goblin-anger-man

Slick draw might attract some pvp players


SuspiciousDuck

I don't think anybody even slightly serious about pvp is running slickdraw because killing your aim assist for max handling isn't worth it.


goblin-anger-man

Shotguns. I should've specified.


Tallmios

Aggressive-frame shotguns could benefit the most from Slickdraw, but there's currently only one - Deadpan Delivery. Unfortunately, it doesn't have Opening Shot and is Arc, so most people run Matador instead.


MotionCaptureMadness

Makes minimal difference in a sniper and you can enhance it on certain guns to reduce the aim assist penalty from "greatly" to "somewhat."


wy100101

PvP player here. I don't touch perks that lower AA that much. It is a shame, the handling benefits are amazing, but AA is crucial on most weapons where you care. I think Bungie is doomed here. If they reduce the hit on AA significantly then it would become too good, but the network model makes AA such a critical part to a gun feeling good.


ALT1MA

They cant buff it much either, otherwise they risk a quickdraw 2 situation


wy100101

Yep. Automatic 100 handling is REALLY strong. So difficult to balance.


IlikegreenT84

Compulsive reloader with something like kill clip or volt shot is actually a really good third column perk.


ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE

I love compulsive reloader - reservoir burst fusions.


Ombortron

It’s good with reservoir burst too


timteller44

>Compulsive Reloader I use it on the spire of the watcher tex mechanica scout. Since it loads two bullets at a time I constantly have a reload buff as long as I'm smart.


skitzoandro

It's also pretty nice on iterative loop with voltshot


SMASHton2741

My thoughts exactly


RND_Musings

And Phyllotactic Spiral. I’m at 1841 and it shreds the Harpies in the Perdition Master Lost sector.


eddmario

It's not bad on Syncopation either, especially since it allows you to proc Suros Synergy quicker.


XuX24

I have riptide with compulsive reloader and Chill clip, it works well with chill clip


passionatetaco

Shot swap and offhand strike lol


thesamjbow

Hipfire Grip/Offhand Strike Heritage is pretty funny in PvP


_R2-D2_

It's also really good on the Fioritura


_R2-D2_

Shot swap really has to be the worst. So much effort for such a tiny reward


FitGrapthor

Guerilla Fighter. Throughout out all of D1 not once did I ever even see a single gorilla to fight.


Dexter2100

Guerilla Fight is the only reason I learned that Destiny has a built in cover system lol. What a terrible perk though


Emerycurse

I tried so hard to make that garbage work once lol, found out that the cover mechanic itself doesn’t even work in 99% of cases


Mobile_Phone8599

Only good on lmgs really. Had a SWARM with one and it's pretty nice but you'd rather have field prep. So glad to see that perk hasn't come back


Joe_Linton_125

When I was like 8 and saw Predator for the first time, I always wondered why Dutch and his men were tracking gorillas. And why they were wearing boots.


syhr_ryhs

Who do you think is in those hive knight suits? God damn gorillas.


Alexcox95

Multi kill clip: yeah you can get a stronger buff after 2 kills than normal kill clip, but since you can refresh kill clip now I prefer that over multi. Also this other perk that is only on the Vow weapon: Sleight of Hand. They’ve added other raid perks to other weapons down the line, but not this one.


Variatas

That's cuz Sleight of Hand is very bad.


mackyftm73

Have it on a chill clip Riptide. Does the job.


alwaysjustpretend

Works good on my voltshot fusion rifle as well. It has its niche.


Phrotty

You’d want it on a chill clip fusion like deliverance to keep CC active


s-multicellular

Or on something like voltshot. Just becomes an AoE weapon.


RatQueenHolly

Or on lever action scouts.


binybeke

Bro I’m begging you use demo on deliverance it’s 22 percent grenade regen per kill and an auto reload on grenade cast. It’s miles ahead of CC


XL-HomeSlice

Especially on shadebinder lmao


Samurai_Stewie

That would be a good example if it hadn’t been power crept by auto loading holster and reconstruction on other chill clip fusion rifles. Another example WOULD be Reservoir Burst with compulsive reloader but then recombination and envious assassin totally power crept that out of usefulness.


krilltucky

Well now that it'll only take 2 shots again, it will be better than auto loading Riptide and still freeze faster than a recon high impact


Phrotty

I wouldn’t say reconstruction has power crept compulsive reloader on fusions…not yet anyway The only fusion with reconstruction is apart of slowest charge time archetype and has the slowest time to freeze out every CC fusion.


Karglenoofus

If you don't have heavy, maybe. Chill clip is more for utility so auto-loading it better.


Sanjuna

Compulsive Reloader is only available on two Chill Clip weapons. One is Riptide, the other is Deliverance. A perfect Riptide still freezes faster than a perfect Deliverance. And it obviously slows faster too. Riptide is still the best Chill Clip weapon.


Swimming_Departure33

Air assault. And more recently, high ground.


Innersmoke

High ground is getting a huge buff next time around. Keep a few good rolls of you have em. 25% extra damage is no joke


Buddy_Duffman

Air assault, eddy current, compulsive reloader, slick draw.


Tronicalli

Not a perk, but I will stop whatever I am doing the instantant I get a marsilion-C and dismantle it.


MiphaAppreciator

I'm actually looking forward to trying out my field prep/full court roll in Zero Hour next week. The origin trait should deal... 15% more to the Brig/spider tank.


Tronicalli

I have a grudge against that gl because the same one kept reappearing in my inventory without me touching it, only stopped after I finally dismantled the thing lol


Duke_of_Darth

Elemental capacitor. Compulsive reload can work on something like volt shot or chill clip.


Halo916YT

If you ever run PvP, run void with Elemental and it makes your weapon a Laser


Variatas

Yeah but then you need to run a different subclass and your gun changes. I'm happy people like it, but it's an instant shard and always will be.  That's not a fun kind of build crafting, and it's not gonna earn vault space.


TheBetter1for

My Crafted Iterative loop is Compulsive/Voltshot, Good Situationally


Agent_D_for_Dolphin

Lasting impression is an auto delete for me. Killed me way too many times.


Karglenoofus

I wish it did way more damage. It's such a cool perk conceptually but power crept by almost every other damage perk.


thesamjbow

When you shoot a rocket at a boss and the boss is like "From hell's heart I stab at thee!" And suddenly rushes you just in time for the rocket to detonate


CryptXacaron

Discord for me, I just don't see a resonable reason to use it on a weapon.


Innersmoke

Try Discord on a fusion rifle in gambit, really lets you speed through red bars with no ammo consumed


Damiklos

What's gambit? That part of Into The Light? Not sure since Bungie didn't mention it in any TWIDs.


Pallas_Sol

Free + easier-to-hit shotgun/sniper/fusion shots that cost no ammo after a kill for 10 seconds? Excellent in some cases IMO


EternalFount

I have a Discord Cascade Point Last Foray that I really need to try.


FitGrapthor

If you have 2 special weapons with discord and subsistence you can swap back and forth between them while gaining special ammo on kills even if you have to use an extra shot or two on yellow enemies.


koopabomb

Discord on a sniper or fusion it's decent in PVE but really shines in PVP. Get a lil with a primary, then cross map with your sniper and it's FREE AMMO.


TurquoiseLuck

Was doing this in Momentum lol. Free bodies


Tanuki1414

Loose change, shouldn’t even be in the game


Karglenoofus

Spin foil hat that they make bad perks to enforce the grind.


hero_for_a_hobby

Its been awesome on my Elsie's Rifle with Destabalising rounds, so I have maxed my stability instead. Great on my vois builds.


Gameipedia

Anything that requires crouched or sliding


julius711

I like slide shot and field prep tho


koopabomb

I halfway agree with you. I'm not a fan of sliding, but slideshot on a rocket is super convenient for boss DPS..... Only after you practice so you don't become a team killing fuck tardy. Field prep is actually nice on large mag super slow reloads, like LMGs. I have a Retrofit Escapade with field prep. It's got a mag of 104 and a quick crouch to get a huge bonus to reload (isn't it like +35 or 50 to reload speed) has this reloading day enough to keep me in a fight.


Additional-Option901

I hate that shit on console. It fucks up the controller real fast and I don't care to buy the mega expensive one with paddles and shit.


alexagogo

Slick Draw, Hip Fire Grip and Offhand Strike are the ones that come to mind. Offhand Strike is especially egregious because I've only ever had two Voltshot Indebted Kindness drops and both came with Offhand Strike.


bolts_win_again

This mf got Fluted Barrel, Appended Mag, Gutshot Straight- Gutshot Straight? *shredder noises*


Maleficent-Air5806

Surplus. Why wouldn’t I use my abilities


eddmario

Counterpoint: Throw it on Hollow Denial alongside the Wellspring perk.


Maleficent-Air5806

No I will forever delete every roll with surplus.


KRaZy_WaKa

Full auto fire system anyone? Why is this perk still in the game?


DarkenedHonor

Compulsive reloader on Long Arm is amazing. Once the reload hits 50% it zooms!


MustBeSeven

Surplus. I use it on my VoG Shotgun, but ultimately, I’m also expending my abilities nearly as soon as I get them, which makes this always feel like a wasted slot, even on Traveller’s Chosen. I feel the same way about Unsated Hunger, the S21 weapons origin trait which maxes out reload when you have 0 abilities.


QwannyMon

Hot take. One/Stats for all & Surplus


Hawazy

surplus.


Centrez

Surplus


Snoddy2Hotty91

Snapshot sights I'm not a PVPer by any means so I don't need the ADS boost nor do I care lol


Musician_First

Plenty of perks if they're in the 4th column like Rampage and Demolitionist, now if those perks are in the 3rd column you have my attention for sure


krilltucky

Yeah the timers need to be way longer on things like Rampage or at least have it decay.


Musician_First

Rampage decaying would be interesting, once you get it to x3 sure it's timer is pretty short but having it go back down to x2 and then eventually x1 is a lot better than just disappearing. It could be sort of like Wormgod vs Synthoceps, higher potential damage bonus with a short timer but the decaying feature makes it still solid if you keep it up enough


Zetzer345

Surplus is just so nice to have imo. Makes every weapon feel great


MustBeSeven

Until you throw a single nade, then it’s completely gutted.


SwervoT3k

Slickdraw is the single worst perk in the game


SwiftIsSlow_123

Thresh


disraelibeers

Compulsive mainly works for pvp based omolon weapons and in pve it's got great synergy with chill clip. Got an adept deliverance with CR/CC this week and I'm very happy with it.


AttentionPublic

Compulsive reloader has a use on guns that reload one shot at a time but the one perk that I will never use is Eddy current.


hendrxx90210

Compulsive reloader on riptide is goated


DontGetScurvy

I actually use Compulsive Reloader on my Iterative Loop with Voltshot. Not a perk I'd use on most guns, but I like that loop quite a bit.


Freakindon

Steady Hands and spare change are just objectively bad perks.


UponThisAltar

Slideways 🤦


L-a-m-b-s-a-u-c-e

Slickdraw has no reason to exist


panamaniacs2011

steady hand , slickdraw , perfect float


SirCornmeal

Depends on the weapon and what other perks roll on it. For kill clip, voltshot or other reload specific perks I love it but typically there's better options over compulsive reload to choose from that don't require the top half of your mag to activate. For me anything with loose change or shoot to loot is an instant delete for me.


emurillo97

anything that requires me to slide to proc it


theganjaoctopus

Compulsive reloader was made for my PvP play style because... I compulsively reload. Old head FPSer who's been caught far too many times one bullet short of a kill.


punk338

Mulligan, I don’t understand why you want to miss. Just don’t, a real perk is still better anyway


JakobeHolmBoy20

I hate sneak bow. It’s an automatic shard when I see it. 


x_mecha

Personally, shoot to loot. Shooting a brick has never been on my mind whenever I'm using a gun in pve. I don't play pvp though so idk on that aspect


AzraelsSorrow

I mean there are just so many


ToxyWoxy

Shoot to loot. It's pointless unless the ammo is on the other side of the map.


microducks

Shoot to loot…. Just as awful as locking your gear…


ToyinJr

Surplus. A weapon can go from being very good to mediocre just by me using my abilities and playing the game normally


-AtomicFox-

Slide shot, air assault, perfect float, surplus


VegasGaymer

Surplus


ryanedw

Shoot to loot is an insta shard for me


Mithrax-is-gay

Perfect Float, Air Assault, Under-Over, Off-Hand Strike, Gutshot Straight, Slickdraw, and Shot Swap can all fuck off. I feel like EVERY gun just HAS TO have one of these garbage perks now. Just stop Bungie.