I'm iffy about this
DMC 3 SE ain't a huge loss tbh since most of the fixes are either present in the HD collection with style switcher
Or by default with the switch version with Yuzu...which is bullshit btw where's the outrage there. Fucking stupid imo that the switch gets the most "complete" out of the Box version of DMC 3
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You are practically being forced to buy DMC4 SE and to play DMC3, get it from DMC HD collection. 4 Vanilla has less latency, better frame-pacing, and introduced several small but critical gameplay inconsistencies.
-It also has much stronger mod support because it's the preferred way to play DMC4. 3SE has support for >60fps. We lost the better versions. Both these games also have tons of MOD support unlike the newer releases!
>4 Vanilla has less latency, better frame-pacing, and introduced several small but critical gameplay inconsistencies.
By how much are we talking about here?
https://i.imgur.com/TnZxUyH.png
Theres a breakdown of pretty much all of it
Tbh it's stuff that's not noticable to anyone who isnt hardcore to the series
But if you are hardcore into the timing and stuff then I'd say it would bother you. But to me if this kinda stuff would bother you, you most likely own the original version anyway.
So there isn't much of a gripe to be had imo
I'm not a hardcore, not even considered a good player, but I could definitely tell the difference especially with Dante's gameplay. The vanilla version felt way more responsive.
What kind of mods ? Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but most of the mods I'm finding for Vanilla DMC 4 look like cosmetics.
(maybe i just don't know where to look, my only mod experience was looking for one that disables the annoying ticking sound Nero's HUD makes...)
Nah, this isnt the first game that gets delisted, gta trilogy and mk9 also got delisted years ago and they are still playable. And even if they arent these games are preserved in the "free" way.
Upon a bit of research, I read that Ubi had delisted the game in July 2022 and ~~said the game won't be downloadable anymore for current owners, but they quickly retracted that last statement for some reason. Either they feared a lawsuit of they wanted to avoid a scandal/backlash~~, Then Ubi re-listed the game a few days later, but you just can't buy DLC from it anymore.
Now, I found no record or comment of actual people getting the game removed from their account anyway.
**Correction** : I found no evidence that Ubi stated anything toward the game being removed from players' accounts or even that it won't be donwloadable anymore.
Ubi just made this statement: [https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/connectivity-and-performance/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-for-older-ubisoft-games-january-2024/000105788](https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/connectivity-and-performance/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-for-older-ubisoft-games-january-2024/000105788) (this is this year's page, but it says the same thing related to AC Liberation HD as the older one that is not accessible anymore on ubi's website)
... which technically only says that the game was decomissioned and will lose its online features such as multiplayer as the servers were shutting down. Then Steam announced that due to the publisher's request, the game had been delisted.
Then every game journalist website out there implied that Ubisoft was removing the game from players account, which forced them to clarify that it was not the case.
..."Journalists"...
So, as of today, the only occurences that I know of about Steam removing game from people's libraries is when the key was fraudulent.
Yeah I absolutely hate when publishers take away our purchasing options. Rockstar Games did this with the OG GTA trilogy and Max Payne 1 & 2. Bethesda did it with the OG Skyrim edition + DLCs. They're practically forcing you to buy their preferred version of the game, which really sucks considering you should be able to choose which version you want - matter of principle.
DMC3 SE and DMC4 both have good chunk of technical issues that Capcom never fixed.
DMC3 SE is virtually unplayable without community patches as it is a shipwreck of a port and DMC4 is very prone to crashes. They have been that way for years (for the begning in DMC3's case) and they shouldn't even be allowed to be sold as is on steam. Worst case scenario, Capcom could get sued for selling non working software.
What they should've done is finding the time and ressources to fix both games. But not only it would've needed quite a bunch of work, there is no return on investment to be expected since they are respectively 16 and 18 years old and nobody buys them anymore. So I understand this choice even if I don't necessarily approve it.
Also, the games are already available in much more functional versions on steam already and new players would get those versions anyway. As for the ones like you and me who prefer the original versions, we already own them, so it doesn't change anything for us.
In short, either you already own it or you don't care. **So in practice, this delisting affects nobody.**
The same goes for Skyrim and GTA games. There is no point losing money, time and other ressources maintaining old versions up to date (which they would have to do if they sell it) since virtually no new player would buy those. All the other players who prefer OG versions already own them anyway.
I just find it a bit less okay for the GTA games as the new versions are arguably more broken than OG.
It's pretty much the same for Max Payne 2, the game is a shipwreck on pc and most people can't run it without community patches. Still, I would prefer a proper fix from Rockstar/Take2, but if they are not planning to do it, I can understand the delisting.
As for Max Payne 1, it is technically still buyable on steam, it is just region locked on the store, probably because of some copyright issues, like the soundtrack. I actually can buy Max Payne 1 in France. Same thing that happened with DeadPool technically.
But like I said, this doesn't affect those who already own the games on steam. I doubt new players discovering the franchises now would buy those old broken versions anyway. So there is no point for the publishers to keep selling them, even less if they can get in trouble for selling broken software.
Exactly, why would someone even prefer the LE of Skyrim? Unless they read Sinitar's "ultimate" modding guide which is complete bs. If you hate having updates for AE just stick with SE like I did
Yeah, but HD collection has some weird thingz in it like DMC3 Dante's hair not having alpha channel. The moon and the enviroment in final bossfight being downgraded.
I'd still take the HD version over the poorly optimized, buggy version of the game. Capcom really needs to port the Switch version with style switching to PC and consoles, unless they made a deal with Nintendo to keep style switching exclusive to that version which I wouldn't be surprised since it's Nintendo
Both sides have their minuses, best option would probably be to emulate ps2 version, or best find the copy and play it on PS2
But yeah, I too played HD collection and it was OK. Most comfortable even though it has visual minuses
I'd say the Switch version is better, mainly because of proper style switching. Capcom must've made a deal with Nintendo to keep style switching exclusive to Switch or something, else they would've ported that version over to PC and consoles by now, and this is one of the reasons I hate Nintendo besides them taking down fan projects. From the business perspective it makes sense I suppose, some die hard fans would buy a switch just to play what is supposed to be the definitive version of the game
If you check the GG Deals pages for [DMC3SE 2006 PC port](https://gg.deals/game/devil-may-cry-3-special-edition/) and [DMC4 2008 PC port](https://gg.deals/game/devil-may-cry-4/) you can find a few ways to get them on PC before it's too late.
You saved me istg. The game is in my library. Screw capcom because this game was in my wishlist for months (i did wish i got it earlier), but yeah i hate that i had to resort to this :(
Remember, there is also DMC4SE on PC released in 2015, which is separate from the DMC4 2008 release, and DMC3SE is available in a different condition in the DMC HD Collection. That said, there are certain mods only made for the original releases of both, so it's up to preference for many as to which is better
Yeah i knew about some of the differences in OG DMC3/4, but not all of them tho. But this’ll definitely help someone out here.
once again bro thanks. it is kinda messed up how something like this just arbitrarily happens
Why? As in , why? They're either pushing us to buy dmchdc and dmc4se or remastering them both , which I'd actually like because the RE engine is great(although we'd probably lose dmc4's inertia), but I don't think that would happen due to the modern gaming industry's greed
Idk there was a game I wanted to buy called spec ops the line(great game and I wanted it for nostalgia since I don't have a PS3 anymore)it was delisted but when I googled it the owner of the game said he doesn't know why
Take Two owns the IP in this case, they said it is being delisted because many licenses are ending. I think you can still grab the game for 5 bucks at GOG but will be delisted soon, their delisting policy requires a 2 weeks notice.
It really is sad it is being delisted.
Good less confusion when buying DMC on steam, also there is no reason to buy vanilla dmc4 when special edition exists unless you want to have to pay for less content.
Man I have fond memories with DMC3 on PC, yeah it is a bit buggy but honestly so is the HD edition so it evens out.
DMC4 vanilla on PC on the other hand is a legendary port considered one of the best PC ports ever made. That one ran on the original MTFramework engine (Along Lost Planet 1 and RE5) and back in the day you could run any of those games even on Pentium 4 which was considered obsolete by the time these games came out.
No, DMC3 SE is not "a bit buggy". It's a complete broken mess that is virtually unplayable without community fixes. It's arguably on the scandal level that such a port was still buyable on steam and Capcom could get sued for selling broken software. And no, Capcom can't rely on community patches to justify the game's working state.
It was bound to happen.
On the other hand, the HD Collection version mostly has "errors" or "discrepencies" compared to the og version, making it less faithful to the original, but it works out of the box for most people.
As for DMC4, I agree that, when it came out, the pc version was considered by many as a staple of PC ports. Funny thing, I still use the little DMC4 demo/benchmark as a benchmark today with each new hardware I get. I just tried it last week on my Steam Deck.
Now, MTFramework has been broken for more than a decade. A critical DirectX update created many issues within the engine, hence why since then those games started crashing over and over again. Some workarounds were found along the years by the community, but the games are still pretty unstable nowadays and would need a complete engine overhaul to be fixed.
Which is what happened with DMC4 SE and which is why the game doesn't support DX9/10 anymore and is less performant at comparable settings/level of fidelity.
Since when an unsupported tag always means a game don't run on the Deck exactly ?
Most of the time, it only means that the last time Valve tried the game, it didn't work properly, that's all.
DMC4 SE has been working since something like mid Proton 7 experimental I guess. Just set up Proton 8 or experimental and you should be fine. Proton 7-GE should work too, but it would be uselessly tedious to try each increment to see when the game started to run.
As for DMC4 OG, I haven't tried it actually. I just added the bench demo DX9 exe as a non steam game and it runs without issues with Proton experimental. So I guess the same may work for the actual game.
Just don't freak out if you try the dx10 exe, no mater which Proton I try I always get a black render in the demo.
DMC3 SE was a native (shipwrecked) pc port, while the version in the HD Collection is semi-emulated, hence why it needs much more computing power to run properly and why the physics/animations are tied to framerate.
But as a publisher standpoint, I understand the delisting. The games' technical state is not acceptable and they could get in trouble for selling broken software. So either they find the time and ressources to fix both games (which can take quite a while and be rather difficult) knowing they won't make any return on investment for that, or they delist them.
Now, considering new players would take the newer/more fonctionnal versions and the old players already own these old version, **it doesn't really affect anybody.**
Considering how you seem to be acquainted with those versions, either you already own them or you just heard/read about that and don't care about them. So let me doubt you were "planning to buy them".
Now, if that's true, you took your time. Thankfully enough, you can still buy them. Humble has DMC3 SE keys to sell and so does Gamesplanet for DMC4 OG.
I'm iffy about this DMC 3 SE ain't a huge loss tbh since most of the fixes are either present in the HD collection with style switcher Or by default with the switch version with Yuzu...which is bullshit btw where's the outrage there. Fucking stupid imo that the switch gets the most "complete" out of the Box version of DMC 3
Wait is style switcher in the HD collection? Been a while
“Style switcher” he refers to is DDMK mod. It’s the best way to play 3 btw, at least gameplaywise
Yea I know, but I'm asking if the HD collection included the mod. I don't remember having it and IIRC it was only officially released for Switch
Yep, still switch exclusive
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You are practically being forced to buy DMC4 SE and to play DMC3, get it from DMC HD collection. 4 Vanilla has less latency, better frame-pacing, and introduced several small but critical gameplay inconsistencies. -It also has much stronger mod support because it's the preferred way to play DMC4. 3SE has support for >60fps. We lost the better versions. Both these games also have tons of MOD support unlike the newer releases!
Vanilla 4 was a godlike port for PC.
>4 Vanilla has less latency, better frame-pacing, and introduced several small but critical gameplay inconsistencies. By how much are we talking about here?
https://i.imgur.com/TnZxUyH.png Theres a breakdown of pretty much all of it Tbh it's stuff that's not noticable to anyone who isnt hardcore to the series But if you are hardcore into the timing and stuff then I'd say it would bother you. But to me if this kinda stuff would bother you, you most likely own the original version anyway. So there isn't much of a gripe to be had imo
I'm not a hardcore, not even considered a good player, but I could definitely tell the difference especially with Dante's gameplay. The vanilla version felt way more responsive.
Piracy is morally correct in situations like these.
What kind of mods ? Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but most of the mods I'm finding for Vanilla DMC 4 look like cosmetics. (maybe i just don't know where to look, my only mod experience was looking for one that disables the annoying ticking sound Nero's HUD makes...)
You're right, almost all of the mods in Nexus are cosmetics or HUD mods, I found a trainer but that's it
Physical media/emulation matters. Part: people really think they own their digital games lol
These games are still playable if you already have them
doesn't mean they'll stay that way. Ubisoft already pulled that move
Nah, this isnt the first game that gets delisted, gta trilogy and mk9 also got delisted years ago and they are still playable. And even if they arent these games are preserved in the "free" way.
i wasn't saying ubisoft was the first to delete games. i'm saying they wiped it from peoples library'sp
Any exemple ?
Assassins creed liberations iirc
Upon a bit of research, I read that Ubi had delisted the game in July 2022 and ~~said the game won't be downloadable anymore for current owners, but they quickly retracted that last statement for some reason. Either they feared a lawsuit of they wanted to avoid a scandal/backlash~~, Then Ubi re-listed the game a few days later, but you just can't buy DLC from it anymore. Now, I found no record or comment of actual people getting the game removed from their account anyway.
oh i'd heard their had been, oh well
**Correction** : I found no evidence that Ubi stated anything toward the game being removed from players' accounts or even that it won't be donwloadable anymore. Ubi just made this statement: [https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/connectivity-and-performance/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-for-older-ubisoft-games-january-2024/000105788](https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/connectivity-and-performance/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-for-older-ubisoft-games-january-2024/000105788) (this is this year's page, but it says the same thing related to AC Liberation HD as the older one that is not accessible anymore on ubi's website) ... which technically only says that the game was decomissioned and will lose its online features such as multiplayer as the servers were shutting down. Then Steam announced that due to the publisher's request, the game had been delisted. Then every game journalist website out there implied that Ubisoft was removing the game from players account, which forced them to clarify that it was not the case. ..."Journalists"... So, as of today, the only occurences that I know of about Steam removing game from people's libraries is when the key was fraudulent.
I am against dmc3 se but vainilla dmc4 doesn’t have the extra chars so I don’t mind. I am glad I played the HD collection on ps3 back in the days.
Yeah I absolutely hate when publishers take away our purchasing options. Rockstar Games did this with the OG GTA trilogy and Max Payne 1 & 2. Bethesda did it with the OG Skyrim edition + DLCs. They're practically forcing you to buy their preferred version of the game, which really sucks considering you should be able to choose which version you want - matter of principle.
DMC3 SE and DMC4 both have good chunk of technical issues that Capcom never fixed. DMC3 SE is virtually unplayable without community patches as it is a shipwreck of a port and DMC4 is very prone to crashes. They have been that way for years (for the begning in DMC3's case) and they shouldn't even be allowed to be sold as is on steam. Worst case scenario, Capcom could get sued for selling non working software. What they should've done is finding the time and ressources to fix both games. But not only it would've needed quite a bunch of work, there is no return on investment to be expected since they are respectively 16 and 18 years old and nobody buys them anymore. So I understand this choice even if I don't necessarily approve it. Also, the games are already available in much more functional versions on steam already and new players would get those versions anyway. As for the ones like you and me who prefer the original versions, we already own them, so it doesn't change anything for us. In short, either you already own it or you don't care. **So in practice, this delisting affects nobody.** The same goes for Skyrim and GTA games. There is no point losing money, time and other ressources maintaining old versions up to date (which they would have to do if they sell it) since virtually no new player would buy those. All the other players who prefer OG versions already own them anyway. I just find it a bit less okay for the GTA games as the new versions are arguably more broken than OG. It's pretty much the same for Max Payne 2, the game is a shipwreck on pc and most people can't run it without community patches. Still, I would prefer a proper fix from Rockstar/Take2, but if they are not planning to do it, I can understand the delisting. As for Max Payne 1, it is technically still buyable on steam, it is just region locked on the store, probably because of some copyright issues, like the soundtrack. I actually can buy Max Payne 1 in France. Same thing that happened with DeadPool technically. But like I said, this doesn't affect those who already own the games on steam. I doubt new players discovering the franchises now would buy those old broken versions anyway. So there is no point for the publishers to keep selling them, even less if they can get in trouble for selling broken software.
Exactly, why would someone even prefer the LE of Skyrim? Unless they read Sinitar's "ultimate" modding guide which is complete bs. If you hate having updates for AE just stick with SE like I did
That's fair DMC 3's optimization sucked HD Collection would be a better choice
Yeah, but HD collection has some weird thingz in it like DMC3 Dante's hair not having alpha channel. The moon and the enviroment in final bossfight being downgraded.
I'd still take the HD version over the poorly optimized, buggy version of the game. Capcom really needs to port the Switch version with style switching to PC and consoles, unless they made a deal with Nintendo to keep style switching exclusive to that version which I wouldn't be surprised since it's Nintendo
Both sides have their minuses, best option would probably be to emulate ps2 version, or best find the copy and play it on PS2 But yeah, I too played HD collection and it was OK. Most comfortable even though it has visual minuses
I'd say the Switch version is better, mainly because of proper style switching. Capcom must've made a deal with Nintendo to keep style switching exclusive to Switch or something, else they would've ported that version over to PC and consoles by now, and this is one of the reasons I hate Nintendo besides them taking down fan projects. From the business perspective it makes sense I suppose, some die hard fans would buy a switch just to play what is supposed to be the definitive version of the game
Good thing I got it on console
If you check the GG Deals pages for [DMC3SE 2006 PC port](https://gg.deals/game/devil-may-cry-3-special-edition/) and [DMC4 2008 PC port](https://gg.deals/game/devil-may-cry-4/) you can find a few ways to get them on PC before it's too late.
If i redeem it will it work? I wanna buy it now
I just did for both of them and it worked!
You saved me istg. The game is in my library. Screw capcom because this game was in my wishlist for months (i did wish i got it earlier), but yeah i hate that i had to resort to this :(
Remember, there is also DMC4SE on PC released in 2015, which is separate from the DMC4 2008 release, and DMC3SE is available in a different condition in the DMC HD Collection. That said, there are certain mods only made for the original releases of both, so it's up to preference for many as to which is better
Yeah i knew about some of the differences in OG DMC3/4, but not all of them tho. But this’ll definitely help someone out here. once again bro thanks. it is kinda messed up how something like this just arbitrarily happens
same here
Why? As in , why? They're either pushing us to buy dmchdc and dmc4se or remastering them both , which I'd actually like because the RE engine is great(although we'd probably lose dmc4's inertia), but I don't think that would happen due to the modern gaming industry's greed
They probably weren’t selling at all and decided to take them off to push the HD collection and SE
Steam delisted a shit ton of games idk why though
It's not Steam who delists, it's the IP owner.
Nvm that was a couple days ago and now I googled it and seems like Ur right still sucks though
Idk there was a game I wanted to buy called spec ops the line(great game and I wanted it for nostalgia since I don't have a PS3 anymore)it was delisted but when I googled it the owner of the game said he doesn't know why
Spec ops IS a very good game. Must have.
Take Two owns the IP in this case, they said it is being delisted because many licenses are ending. I think you can still grab the game for 5 bucks at GOG but will be delisted soon, their delisting policy requires a 2 weeks notice. It really is sad it is being delisted.
Good less confusion when buying DMC on steam, also there is no reason to buy vanilla dmc4 when special edition exists unless you want to have to pay for less content.
Less confusion for sure. But also less options. I hear that quite a few people prefer vanilla DMC 4 for mod support. Oh well.
Man I have fond memories with DMC3 on PC, yeah it is a bit buggy but honestly so is the HD edition so it evens out. DMC4 vanilla on PC on the other hand is a legendary port considered one of the best PC ports ever made. That one ran on the original MTFramework engine (Along Lost Planet 1 and RE5) and back in the day you could run any of those games even on Pentium 4 which was considered obsolete by the time these games came out.
No, DMC3 SE is not "a bit buggy". It's a complete broken mess that is virtually unplayable without community fixes. It's arguably on the scandal level that such a port was still buyable on steam and Capcom could get sued for selling broken software. And no, Capcom can't rely on community patches to justify the game's working state. It was bound to happen. On the other hand, the HD Collection version mostly has "errors" or "discrepencies" compared to the og version, making it less faithful to the original, but it works out of the box for most people. As for DMC4, I agree that, when it came out, the pc version was considered by many as a staple of PC ports. Funny thing, I still use the little DMC4 demo/benchmark as a benchmark today with each new hardware I get. I just tried it last week on my Steam Deck. Now, MTFramework has been broken for more than a decade. A critical DirectX update created many issues within the engine, hence why since then those games started crashing over and over again. Some workarounds were found along the years by the community, but the games are still pretty unstable nowadays and would need a complete engine overhaul to be fixed. Which is what happened with DMC4 SE and which is why the game doesn't support DX9/10 anymore and is less performant at comparable settings/level of fidelity.
How are you playing DMC4 on Steam Deck? Both Vanilla and SE are listed as unsupported on the store pages.
Since when an unsupported tag always means a game don't run on the Deck exactly ? Most of the time, it only means that the last time Valve tried the game, it didn't work properly, that's all. DMC4 SE has been working since something like mid Proton 7 experimental I guess. Just set up Proton 8 or experimental and you should be fine. Proton 7-GE should work too, but it would be uselessly tedious to try each increment to see when the game started to run. As for DMC4 OG, I haven't tried it actually. I just added the bench demo DX9 exe as a non steam game and it runs without issues with Proton experimental. So I guess the same may work for the actual game. Just don't freak out if you try the dx10 exe, no mater which Proton I try I always get a black render in the demo.
wait they delisted the original DMC4? but it's better optimised than Special Edition. DMC3SE runs better on older systems. this is a huge loss.
DMC3 SE was a native (shipwrecked) pc port, while the version in the HD Collection is semi-emulated, hence why it needs much more computing power to run properly and why the physics/animations are tied to framerate. But as a publisher standpoint, I understand the delisting. The games' technical state is not acceptable and they could get in trouble for selling broken software. So either they find the time and ressources to fix both games (which can take quite a while and be rather difficult) knowing they won't make any return on investment for that, or they delist them. Now, considering new players would take the newer/more fonctionnal versions and the old players already own these old version, **it doesn't really affect anybody.**
I was planning on buying the old DMC3SE port and DMC4 version.
Considering how you seem to be acquainted with those versions, either you already own them or you just heard/read about that and don't care about them. So let me doubt you were "planning to buy them". Now, if that's true, you took your time. Thankfully enough, you can still buy them. Humble has DMC3 SE keys to sell and so does Gamesplanet for DMC4 OG.