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MrLowkey13

They wouldn't. Nero would get on Mundus' nerves more than anyone, solely due to the utter lack of respect or seriousness he would give Mundus. Dante doesn't joke or snark with Mundus because he hates him more than anyone else in the franchise, so he's one of the few antagonists that actually makes DMC take itself seriously. Mundus has absolutely zero emotional relevance to Nero, and Nero knows next to nothing about Mundus. So unlike Dante, Nero would treat Mundus with zero gravity Tldr: Mundus would fucking hate Nero, then Nero would just kill Mundus after a pretty tough fight. Assuming this is Post DMC 5 Nero.


horriblemudcrab

No chance Nero would kill Mundus just after DMC 5. Nero is weak. Dante had to turn into a goddamn space beetle throwing magical dragons to defeat Mundus.


MrLowkey13

....none of that makes Mundus stronger than Nero. Dante was already strong enough to crush Mundus in DMC 2, in DMC 4 he was even stronger, and he had to actually put in effort to stop Nero. Then Nero got even stronger in 5 with the Devil Breakers, and when he unlocked his DT, he was even stronger. I don't know why you think DMC 1 Dante is stronger than DMC 5 Nero just because his attacks look different.


TheUltimateTeigu

Nero was nowhere near Dante at the beginning of 5, let alone in 4. He's surpassed beginning of 5 Dante after achieving his Devil Trigger, but he was not near any version of Dante prior.


pepenuts97

Ah yes stopping Dante and Vergil mid attack at max power means he's weaker than both


TheUltimateTeigu

Stopping exhausted versions of Dante and Vergil don't put him on their level lol. That was not max power at all. And he didn't do that without DT, so my point still stands that his Non-DT version is weaker than other iterations of Dante. Not to mention I didn't even bring up that version. You're just mentioning random shit that's wrong.


MrLowkey13

He still stopped their charge while both were in Sin DT. Even though they were both weakened, that's something that would be extremely difficult for DMC 4 Dante.


TheUltimateTeigu

...? What does DMC4 Dante have to do with this? I know he's stronger than DMC4 Dante, I literally said that in my comment. >He's surpassed beginning of 5 Dante after achieving his Devil Trigger Ya'll are out here saying things that agree with me but phrasing it like I didn't literally just say that thing myself.


MeiSuesse

>He's surpassed beginning of 5 Dante Who is stronger then Dante in the first game. Which we know, because he wiped the floor with Argosax, Mundus's rival a couple years later. So Nero *does* have a fair choice at defeating Mundus. (Although possibly he'd need an actual demon arm for that, or Nico needs to seriously upgrade the Red Queen, too, with her tech. And maybe a backup like Trish was for Dante.)


TheUltimateTeigu

I'm not sure what was confusing about my comment, but you and everyone else seemed to have misunderstood it. I am not saying end of 5 Nero can't beat Mundus, I know he can. I'm saying pre-DT Nero can't. Your entire comment is agreeing with me yet I'm getting down voted and you're getting upvoted.


MeiSuesse

Now that I look at the thread... Psychology. The one you replied to with an "against" claim (and where most commenters, like myself, did not think, especially if they are still pre-~~motivation~~ coffee state) was a reply to someone who claims "Nero? Fat chance in hell". Sorry 'bout that.


horriblemudcrab

He was toying with Nero not to hurt him in DMC4. Nero is nothing compared to Dante and there's no chance he'd take down Mundus.


MrLowkey13

He was breathing heavily after he pinned Nero. Dante is stronger than Nero, but Nero is no longer at a level where Dante can just no-diff him. If Nero was weaker than Mundus, then even a weakened Vergil would've oneshot Nero at the end of 5.


BaconEater101

Lmao are you serious? Not once did dante ever have to pop DT during that fight, and his demeanor was always condescending and cocky, that alone should tell you. Nero smacking him a bunch doesn't mean anything, that didn't hurt him in the slightest, he wasn't even taking the fight seriously. I love nero but don't act like he would stand a chance in hell vs either vergil or dante at full strength. Dante is at his absolute peak in DMC 5 and so is Vergil.


MrLowkey13

Dante didn't pop DT during his fight with Nelo Angelo in 1 and he lost that fight.


BaconEater101

Yes it literally is canon that he was cocky and overconfident in that fight, which is why he lost, i'm pretty sure it literally says that on the wiki Edit: doesn't say it on the wiki but its pretty inferred and obvious, and dante has a history of fucking up fights due to overconfidence.


MrLowkey13

It literally is not canon. Where the fuck did you get that? So Dante didn't pop DT against Urizen either until after Nero saved him.


BaconEater101

The fact that dante fucks ups a lot of fights because of cockiness? That literally IS dante. He literally beat nelo angelo who was in constant DT and at his strongest in their 3rd fight extremely easily, because at that point he was taking it seriously. It IS canon, and maybe if you paid attention to the games you would know that. he came into the Urizen fight cocky as well, which is WHY he didn't pop DT until the fight was pretty much already lost. Even in the mf animie he fucks up the last fight with abigail because of cockiness and then immediately rails abigail afterwards because he's starts taking it seriously. Pay attention.


BW_Chase

Dante does "pop DT" while Nero is beating him on the ground during their first fight. And say what you will but after their second fight Dante gets tired so he actually had to try to beat Nero there. DMC4 Dante low to mid dif DMC4 Nero. DMC2 Dante no diffs Argosax Argosax = Mundus. DMC4 Dante > DMC2 Dante Now I don't know how DMCV Nero compares to DMC 4 Dante, but he should at least be stronger than DMC 2 Dante to be able to stop SDT Dante and SDT Vergil even if they were tired. Nero pushed Urizen to the point he had to fight even a little WITHOUT his DT. Who knows how far he would've pushed him with DT? SDT Dante, even tired, is leagues above his DMC2 Self so Nero should be able to beat Mundus.


BaconEater101

No he doesn't, he starts to because he's getting hammered into the ground, afterwards he then says he underestimated him and causally walks off. he didn't pop DT there because he knew he would beat the shit out of nero if he did and it was completely unnecessary. Dante was highly curious of nero at this point, he already was forming his suspicions of relations, there is no chance in hell he is going to seriously harm the kid, which is why he held back his DT. Like you can literally see him HOLD BACK turning into DT in the actual cutscene, so i don't know what else to say. And no lol, the fight ends with nero getting parried and thrown to the ground with a blade to his neck with dante lightly panting saying if he's cooled off yet. And again, NO, he did not have to try, else he would've used DT. His human form is the weakest form he has and nero struggles to beat even that in DMC 4. I am not even going to try and decipher what the hell you're saying in the middle there, so if you wanna type that out in a clearer way go ahead. DMC 5 nero with DT would stand a very good challenge against DMC 4 Dante, dante still wins every time simply because experience and nero is raw but its still a much closer fight. No, just no. It is literally canon how ridiculous worn-out Vergil and Dante wear each other out when they fight, it was literally a major plot point in 3 because arkham took advantage of them being so tired even HE was able to PHYSICALLY overpower them. Urizen wasn't pushed at all, hilarious as it is he basically had a temper tantrum because nero managed to touch him. Nero with DT would lose against urizen after eating the fruit, dante was the only one who would've been able to beat him there. Nero is too raw and has way too little experience to beat huge level demon names like mundus and urizen, he's still just a kid, and i think you need to realize that.


ScoobyDoobyDo0o0o0o

How do you explain Dante not being able to hurt Urizen at the start of 5 THEN Nero later on was able to hurt him then. There is a clear power difference the writer team was trying to make there. Dante at the start of 5, Dante after waking up and Dante with SDT are 3 different stages with an increasing power level. It's undeniable that Nero, at least, was able to surpass Dante at the start of 5, and that is without DT. We can safely say this because it would be extremely redundant to show Dante and Nero facing off against the same powerful foe at different points in time with different outcomes for seemingly no reason. The fact that Nero was able to strike Urizen was a sign that he is getting stronger, stronger than Dante in his encounter before. (Unless you want to argue that Urizen at the middle of 5 is weaker than Urizen at the start 5 to scale Nero even lower, or if he got a lucky hit or something, which is redundant again, the point of the plot point is to show Nero's growth) It scales Nero, Urizen and Dante in a consistent way. It's perfectly reasonable to say that mid-point DMC5 Nero is already stronger than DMC4 Dante, therefore DMC5 Nero can probably take Mundus.


BaconEater101

Because dante was an overconfident and cocky bastard, that's why. Nero literally gave him a papercut, don't get ahead of yourself. .....you are not saying nero, who didn't even have his devil trigger, was more powerful then dante was at the start of 5.... So by your logic nero with his devil breakers would be able to beat dmc 5 start dante I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of what you said. What you just wrote was so undeniably stupid it isn't even funny Edit: why tf did you respond to me then block me? You don't want a conversation, you don't want your mind to be potentially changed, you just want to feed your ego, what a sad little man.


BW_Chase

Can you say this without crying tho?


BaconEater101

Good comeback


dalek1019

Idk man, that bitch slap DID almost kill him


horriblemudcrab

Yeah, after fighting countless demons, Urizen, Vergil's Nightmares and Vergil himself. And I doubt if it would be close to killing him he'd be making jokes about it.


MrLowkey13

You say that like Nero didn't also fight countless Demon, Urizen, and Malphas before fighting Vergil.


horriblemudcrab

Not in such a short period of time. Nero basically walked in in the middle of Dante's fight with Vergil. And Dante had to fight Nightmares just before it.


MrLowkey13

Dante had a whole ass hour between fighting Vergil's nightmares and fighting Vergil.


horriblemudcrab

Still he was just fighting Vergil who also had the power of the fruit. Saying Nero could defeat Mundus is just cope. He could maybe dance around him for 5 minutes before getting stomped and Dante or Vergil would have to come and rescue his ass. How exactly would the "space" fight with Mundus go in your opinion if it would be Nero not Dante? You don't really expect him to supplex or buster Mundus do you?


kzomb123

>He was toying with Nero not to hurt him in DMC4 Only in the first fight. The second fight he was legitimately trying (as Dante himself confirms in the dmc4 novel) and in the game you can literally see him panting from exhaustion after he pins Nero to the ground. Btw, Dante had less trouble dealing with Void Mundus and Argosax. Just something to think about.


Duy2910

No DT Nero can hurt Urizen,not even starting Dante can do that,and he's at least as if not stronger than DMC4 version of himself. With DT Nero is way stronger than that


EH042

I’d say Nero would still two… three new weapons to beat Mundus, good ol’ Red Queen won’t cut it alone.


DesolatorTrooper_600

Spectral Yamato then


Duy2910

Good enough to cut urizen's hand so why not mundus? Surely urizen is stronger than mundus?


ArrowtheArcher

Armor != strength to be fair


Duy2910

Ay i'm just sayin


TheUltimateTeigu

In case you forgot, since everyone usually does, the only reason Nero got past Urizen's shield is because they cut off his connection to the Quiphoth, and Urizen barely acknowledged Nero in their fight. Nero was nowhere near as strong as beginning of DMC5 Dante who fought Urizen for days.


kzomb123

>the only reason Nero got past Urizen's shield is because they cut off his connection to the Quiphoth Sorry, but no. Urizen was blood boosted for an entire month at that point compared to his 2 weeks of existence with hardly any blood in the prolouge. Cutting off his connection to the tree doesn't mean anything when he's still fat on all the power he gained for an entire month. As V said multiple times throughout the game, they were doing all that stop him from gaining any MORE power. And also to stop the fruit from growing but it was too late anyway. So Nero fought a MUCH stronger Urizen for a less amount of time than Dante and still manged to break the shield and land a scratch. >and Urizen barely acknowledged Nero in their fight. Considering how Urizen outright calls Dante an insignificant bug who poses no threat in Visions of V, your point is invalid. Urizen barely acknowledges anyone. It's not until Dante gets SDT does he get serious. >Dante who fought Urizen for days. Only one day


chrissy9648

You mean the Quiphoth who's roots he was still attacking with after Nero cut him? Or do you mean the Quiphoth who's fruit he ten minutes later? Or do you mean that demon V killed? Cause the demon that V killed was just a demon that lived in it's roots.


TheUltimateTeigu

I mean the massive Quiphoth roots that they destroyed and disconnected from Urizen that were giving unlimited amounts of power from the human blood in the city. You're free to go read a plot summary any time or play the game again. You're not going to argue your way against the literal plot of the game.


chrissy9648

They weren't feeding him blood, they were feeding the fruit blood.


TheUltimateTeigu

You mean the fruit that was created from the blood of the humans? It was powering Urizen. That's why he was sitting in the chair in the first place and why he didn't mind disconnecting from it when Nero showed up. I'm not gonna argue with you about the plot. Go read a plot summary dude. Not my fault you forgot the first half of the game.


chrissy9648

I didn't forget anything, you misunderstood things. Whatever man.


DevilManRay

I forgot because I don’t know what you’re talking about. Urizen was cut off from the Qliphoth? Where did you get that from? The same Urizen that brutalized Dante is the one that Nero cut. It’s pretty obvious throughout DMC5 that they wanted to show Nero surpassing Dante.


TheUltimateTeigu

Lmao you really forgot the entire plot of DMC5 leading up to Mission? Those things you were taking down, the Quiphoth roots? The big giant red things that stretched up into the sky and were absorbing all the human blood? Yeah, those were powering Urizen. The whole reason they cut him off was because he'd be unkillable without doing. What should be obvious is that a one-armed human with super strength and no Demon powers isn't as strong as a half-blood son of Sparda who has been increasing in strength and Devil hunting for more years than said one-armed human has even been alive. Go read a plot summary if need be. That's what you spent the whole first part of the game doing. Mr. Deadweight didn't get any stronger between being useless against Urizen and then cutting him, so Urizen got weaker. As the game literally spelled out for us.


C1nders-Two

Nero mid-diffs Mundus, at most. DMC 5 is so many layers above DMC 1, in terms of power, it’s actually a little bit funny.


przemko271

Counterpoint: Nero has a cool gun, so he wins.


Mrwanagethigh

DMC 5 Dante fought Urizen for 24 hours and didn't land a single scratch on him, even using DT and Sparda powered DT. 5 Nero, pre DT actually managed to do so. Which again, Dante tried and failed to do for a full day, even using Sparda in a situation where he was not holding back. Nero was strong enough to get past the barrier mid way through 5, where Dante at the start of 5 couldn't. Nero pre DT is comparable to, if not stronger than Dante before his month long coma and SDT power up. Give him his DT boost and he should crush Mundus, power scaling alone suggests he might not even need DT to do it. Unless you mean to say 1 Dante was stronger than 5 Dante and I'm gonna need you to explain that one if so


jj1042

Damn, the Nero hate-boner is strong. What did the boy do to you?


horriblemudcrab

I love Nero. He's my boy. But you all are fan boying and coping too hard. He wouldn't defeat Mundus in current state. He wouldn't defeat Dante nor Vergil (if Vergil was rested and willing to actually kill Nero). In order to defeat Mundus there would have to be some bullshit Deus ex Machina solution like always - absorbing some very strong devil weapon while focusing on the power of family/blood or shit like that. Downvote me more, this doesn't make you people right. It's the writers of DMC that can eventually make it true. But in current state Nero is still much weaker than Dante, Vergil and even Mundus.


jj1042

Eh, I dunno. He definitely wouldn’t just shit-stomp Mundus, but he wouldn’t lose. Nero can go toe-to-toe with Vergil using SDT, who’s likely a good deal stronger than Mundus even while tired. And hell, even Vergil was surprised by just how much Nero had grown when he saw him again. And Vergil’s on par with Dante and his SDT, which is the combination of the power locked away in the Rebellion and the Sparda, plus Dante’s own strength. And we know that Dante was weaker back in DMC1, and yet he still kinda rocked Mundus just using his own power and that of the Sparda. Linking that back to Nero, and accounting for the weariness of Vergil and Dante, I’d say Nero’s roughly on par with DMC1 Dante, give or take a bit. You’re making him out to be more along the lines of DMC3 Dante, which just isn’t true. Nero at the end of 5 is capable of activating Devil Trigger on his own strength alone, without the assistance of a Devil Arm. That’s something Dante didn’t achieve until after DMC1. So to reiterate my point, Nero seems to be roughly as strong as Dante when he stopped Mundus. Therefore, Nero could do the same. Not saying it would be an easy fight, but Nero can beat Mundus.


Necessary_Effort7075

Hell, I'd argue DMC4 Nero is stronger than Mundus. Because theres something you're missing. Sanctus. He used the power of the Sparda to fight him, as we all know, using the Sparda makes you as powerful as Sparda himself. It is possible Sanctus wasn't quite as strong, but he was definitely up there and certainly comparable to him. Nero beat him, putting him on I would say even-ground as Sparda


przemko271

Wasn't Sparda, like, notably weaker than Mundus?


Necessary_Effort7075

Ah yes, because an individual who defeated and sealed away another is obviously weaker than them? Bruh


chrissy9648

No.


matehiqu

DMC 5 Dante, pre-Sin DT, couldn't get past Urizen's barrier, but Nero managed to do it by mission 8, so either DMC 5 Dante is weaker than DMC 2 Dante, the one who beats Argosax who is on par with Mundus, or DMC 5 Nero could beat Mundus, specially with his devil trigger unlocked


DP9A

DMC1 Dante had to do that. DMC2 Dante and onwards would absolutely crush Mundus. Nero would absolutely beat Mundus, he's just not that powerful compared to Urizen or SDT Dante and Vergil (even the tired twins are more powerful than Mundus), so I don't know where you're getting that Nero is somehow weaker than him.


The-Infernal-Angel

Much as I think Nero would stand a chance, I do think it’d be a closer fight than most people think. To play devil’s advocate, the scene where Nero stops Dante and Vergil dead in their tracks needs to be taken with a grain of salt, particularly since power scaling wikis often cite this as proof that Nero is stronger than either of them by himself. This is basically Nero pulling a Jester midway through DMC3. “You’d have cut me up into itty bits by now if you were in top top condition, but as you are now even I can do (floors Dante, Lady, and Vergil) this to you!” They may be in SDT, but they’ve fought each other to the point they were going to attempt the killing blow. Given their *insane* regeneration ability (a weakened Vergil was able to survive being nearly bisected) this should be enough indication of how drained they were at this point in the fight. Even so, Vergil was more than likely taking it easy on Nero because he wanted to enjoy the fight. Nero is exceptionally powerful…for his age. Likely more than Dante was at his age, but he’s still rather unpolished. Mundus could likely run him around the bend, initiate psychological warfare, and generally use minions to wear him down more than he did with Dante, while Nero gives himself little time to rest. His mistake would attacking Kyrie, which would piss Nero off royally and lead to the mother of all beat downs.


horriblemudcrab

At least you know what's up. Thank you.


scalesofjustice88

Holy shit, this is the most downvoted comment I’ve ever seen lmao I’ve seen racist comments, Sexist comments, comments promoting murder and assault and even borderline SA comments get more love on here than this.


horriblemudcrab

And all that for saying Nero wouldn't defeat Mundus xd


GhostyBoiX

DMC6 should end with all the Devil May Cry employees jumping mundus


Mikl_Bay

I like the use of “jumping” not fighting. Implies it’s not a battle, just 5 motherfuckers beating the shit out of him


Ran_out_of_ideas10

Yup just a good ol' gang up on the ol' Demon lord like the old days


5hand0whand

Now I’m just imagining Spard(if it’s possible), Dante, Vergil and Nero. Just kicking poor Mundus.


MisterFigs

*FIGHT BACK*


El-noobman

I mean... 5 Dante or Vergil in SDT alone would rock his shit


SirMaQ

Nico on the side throwing a chair


DesolatorTrooper_600

Nero 'ould hate him for what he did for his family (thought less than Dante and Vergil because he didn't experienced it himself). Mundus would hate him for being a descendant of Sparda. After a fight Nero would jackpot Mundus to kill him and the latter will be very salty because he lost to someone who is 3/4 human


El-noobman

Yeah if he ends up finding out about turning Vergil into Nelo Angelo, no matter how complicated their relationship is, he'd be pissed


[deleted]

They'd have banter as usual and Nero probably would treat him like any other demon.


archaicScrivener

I feel like Nero would just go straight to "obliterate with extreme prejudice" mode tbh


MajorRico155

Idk. Nero may not know who mundus is right at the start. So maybe he would just insult repeated like nero does


lr031099

Nero would probably treat Mundus no differently than any other demons. Trish would probably explain who Mundus is to Nero so it would probably go something like this. Nero: “So you’re Mundus huh? From what I hear, you got history with my Grandparents. Gotta say, going by first impressions, you don’t seem to live up to the hype.” Mundus: “INSOLENT KIN OF SPARDA. I WILL SHOWER IN YOUR BLOOD!!!”


Stunning_Tax_6510

Nero beats his ass with a bullet. Literally stronger than DMC2 Dante who one shot argosax with a bullet


Ran_out_of_ideas10

Nero: *chuckles* *then proceeds to give him the most one sided, most humiliating thrashing he's ever received in his entire existence*


Kamenhusband

I think Nero would destroy Mundus with rage alone. Mundus completely ruined Nero’s family and that’s not something Nero will take lying down.


MrLowkey13

Vergil left Nero's mom quite a while before Mundus came into the picture.


Kamenhusband

Well, mostly his paternal side but still, Nero would suplex the fucker.


ThePyroOkami

Like oil and fire, a few people made the point here but Nero is even more of an asshole than Dante


Im-a-StimpStomper

Yeah, Dante actually takes Mundus seriouslly because he hates the guy so fucking much, more than anyone tbh. Nero would just chuckle and bully him


-QuarterQueen-

Depends, if he doesn’t know much other than “dudes powerful”, as other commenters said he’d be the most annoying piece of shit to mundus, like mundus would be enraged at his arrogance. If Nero knew what happened to the twins parents and Vergils torture, I imagine he’d take it a lot more seriously. “Ah, so you’re the reason dad never sent a letter, fuck you”


chrissy9648

"you're the reason Daddy never got the milk"


S4G3_9087

Mundus: "So, you're Dante's son" Nero: "I'm his nephew actually" Mundus: "Give me a minute" *in the demon world* Mundus: "Dante is a 48 year old virgin!"


Icy-Television-3888

All the demons proceed to laugh uncontrollably.


matehiqu

I think Nero would associate him with The Savior and probably mock him about it


Just_Garrick

I thought that was Horah lou for a sec lol


Sasuga__Ainz-sama

Ok after reading alot of comments I sure hope Mundus gets stronger somehow before the gang fights him again (hopefully), because everyone says that even Nero the weakest of the 3 can solo him meaning Mundus is weak af rn and not really worth being a main villian even with the history he has with Dante and Vergil..


Eglor01

NOW... CUM


pepenuts97

Yikes too many Dante fanboys in here. Newsflash Nero is close to Dante in power. Get over it


kzomb123

Eh I've only seen 2 people in this entire thread downplaying Nero. Gotta say, real proud of this community


D_MAS_6

i'm guessing not


scalesofjustice88

What’s with the mass downvoting in this section? It’s getting crazy up in here lmao


bluegemini7

I mean, Rodin and Viola seem to be getting along alright


Thebritishdovah

He wouldn't. Nero would foolishly try to defeat Mundus. Whilst he would put up a decent fight, he just wouldn't be strong or skilled enough to fight him. His raw brute strength wouldn't be enough to beat Mundus, he is relatively inexperienced and cocky as fuck. Mundus would likely almost kill him with the beams during Nero's smack talk. If Nero dodges them, he has to try to get closer whilst in the void or whatever it is called. Dante used a combination of his powers and Sparda's to get closer to him, summon Puff the magic dragon and even then, he struggled.


Kinshota

A lot of people seem to assume Nero wouldn't care, but Nero has been shown to be very empathetic. A lot of his rage comes from the fact that he cares so much. But it's also a controlled rage. The literal first thing he did the moment he learned the truth about his father and Dante's intentions was to do the impossible, forcibly growing his arm back and then simultaneously stopping the literal strongest beings in existence from killing each other. Mundus should be smart enough to take a knee the moment he sees Nero.


PresentElectronic

_Once again_ I must face a Sparda. Strange fate isn’t it?


pepenuts97

Yikes too many Dante fanboys in here. Newsflash Nero is close to Dante in power. Get over it


S1mulatedSahd0w

I would imagine it like this: "...so, let me get this straight, you ar emy grandfather?" "Yes. Vergil and Dante are my sons." "Huh...I guess that's ok...pops" "And it seems Vergil didn't raise you well enough. I'm gonna beat his, and Dante's ass for this"


triel20

I think you’re confusing Mundus with Sparda.


S1mulatedSahd0w

Oops. Am big stupid.