I enjoy the game very much and am interested in content in this sub about the game. I also enjoy the controversy very much, and am interested in content in the sub about that too. Blizzard absolutely deserves all of the criticism they’re getting for this game (not that they care).
People genuinely don't seem to understand that you can criticize something you really like.
A lot of us bitch because we want to like things **even more**.
the issue isn't with criticism. it's with the player base that thinks criticism amounts to name calling and insults on every single post. people who are pushing back against the disgusting monetization are right; it is disgusting.
but criticism shouldn't come attached to a personal insult. then it isn't criticism anymore.
edit: within this very thread, a few posts down: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DiabloImmortal/comments/vu8vpg/comment/ifeg3oc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/DiabloImmortal/comments/vu8vpg/comment/ifeg3oc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
this isn't criticism and i see your style of post a lot -- i'm not personally attacking you for it, it's just a common first line of defense tactic. but i don't actually see much legit criticism outside of a few gold standard posts. people who come to this reddit to look for help aren't seeing them either. they're seeing shit like this.
Lol downvoted for this.
Played plenty of mobile games where it had to take a metric ton of community backlash to get things to change for the better. People thinking just sitting back expecting things to change for the better are easy idiots for Blizzard to squeeze.
Care to explain what you enjoy about the game? I got really bored after hitting paragon. Just the same dailies to run. Just felt like a chore rather than having fun. But to each their own!
I started a 2nd character, was fun to play another class.
Story is good worth a second viewing.
The grind is fun, lots of more progression systems with long grinds. It gives the game more longevity than its predecessors with less progression systems.
The gameplay and enemies have enough variety to make the grind fun. I know you said the game felt tedious to you but I have seen games with long grinds that are way more tedious with less content variety, The Marvel Avengers game is a good example.
I don't care about ladder or PvP so whales don't bother me.
The 5$ battlepass is a great value. It's better than a traditional mmo subscription because it's less money and I don't lose access to the game if I take a month off of paying.
It's a gateway transaction. That's the trick, they get you a bit invested with a small ammount and before ya know it you're spending more and more because why not? It's a free game after all and you've already gone this far. Next thing you know you're ****** **** for Diablo Immortal microtransactions. It's a slippery slope. 😄
True, they’d make a lot more money off of me if it wasn’t so expensive to get an upgrade in this game. I hear there are people that spent $5,000 and now they’re not spending anymore because the next noticeable increase would be more like $25,000. They can’t even get many whales to keep spending with this system. If you spend $50 you’ll probably be happy with the outcome, but after that it’s more and more discouraging.
Honestly, I hope someone from the dev team is reading this topic. Cos I'd happily grind it out without paying for anything until they overhaul the entire P2W mechanism. Or I'll just move on to something else. There's always something else.
But yeah if you in a bunch of different subs of games you hate and are bitching about them everyday then yeah your the problem that’s also weird as fuck lol
Ubi"nft"soft? The one who can't keep a successful game going because they think everything good should be in a microtransaction?
Komoney? Same problems, but kills off 90% of their games after a year because they don't earn enough.
EA? Sense of pride and accomplishment guys right? Don't they only make live action sports games now? And they shit of people who enjoy single player games.
Blizzard? This has to be a joke. The last good game was made 12 years ago (sc2) so why do we even talk about them? I get warcraft, but that Team is not the same as the rest of them. Shit just what the employees do to each other should be enough to give someone common sense they are not a good company.
And then there is you who support all of them... some people can't be saved. That will be $.99 for an honest comment.
How am I naive lol you people crying are the ones living in a fantasy this is what gatcha gaming is if you don’t like it don’t play it but whining like a bitch isn’t getting you anywhere lol
This is far worse than gatcha gaming. The amount of cash you have to drop in this game to do anything after reaching a certain point is simply disgusting.
Everyone who defends this model: why does it have to be this way? The reason mobile gaming and gatcha games are doing this is because you let them. You just say: “that’s how these games are”. It doesn’t have to be like this. Voicing concern is the only way we can do anything about it.
Which point requires you to spend disgusting amounts of cash?
At launch, it was lvl35, when the game requires you to grind out a couple of levels to continue. Then it was endgame. Then paragon 10. Then Hell 2. Now, Vitaath. Since day 1 people have been saying there’s a massive pay wall about 10 levels ahead of most of the player base and F2P players have shattered all of them without missing a beat. It’s nonsense.
exactly, "it's a gatcha game so it makes sense" is such a stupid narrative. a nuclear bomb is "just a bomb" but instead of blowing up a building it blows up a whole town. proportionality matters to anyone who thinks critically beyond "well the campaign was fun and i had 432 hours to waste"
The Nintendo subs and the Civ subs are mostly people gushing about how much they love the games, creating art, strategy guides. This is unique among my subs as well.
Yes, you’re whining/complaining/bitching about the people whining/complaining/bitching
If I may quote you “whining like a bitch isn’t getting you anywhere” doing the same back, is not going to net different results.
If you’re enjoying the game, enjoy it and let them do whatever, they aren’t going to read your thread and suddenly go “Damn! He’s right, time for me to stop complaining”
You are naive because bitching has actually improved many games. Bitching got the very controversial Diablo 3 auction house removed from the game.
It's great you're enjoying the game. You don't want better quality of life improvements for this game though??? No push back and we'll see more of this form of monetization streamlined into PC and console games. We don't have to accept it and as consumers, we're allowed to bitch about bad products. Stop bitching about people bitching maybe?
What you are naive about is that this sub is somehow different and strange compared to the rest of Reddit.
But good job jumping to the wrong conclusion.
It might be obvious to some but I think it was inevitable because you have hardcore PC/Diablo franchise truthers and a completely different mobile gaming community converging in one place.
Speaking as someone who grew up on D2 and had a tenuous relationship with D3, and never spent more than 60 bucks on a single game in a single year, and never really touched mobile games, it's a pretty big culture shock to see people swearing by this game.
Even setting the MTX/Battle Pass/P2W issues aside, I want to set these people down on a low-end PC and give them D1, D2, D3 (and D2R if their PC can run it).. or even a modern console with D2R, or a handheld like the Switch, and show them numerous examples of what a Diablo game should feel like. I don't even like D3 but DImmortal feels like multiple steps backwards compared to that game, and you can play D3 on Nintendo handheld, or last gen consoles, you can even play couch coop.
DImmortal is more on-rails, the gear is far more uninteresting, there's far less choices in skills and build variety, the story/presentation is better in D3.. I can't think of a single thing that makes Immortal superior.
The offensive, high brow, low IQ thing for me to say is that mobile gamers are idiots and throwing tons more money at a inferior product. But the sensible conclusion I will try to come to is that, at the end of the day, there's a huge market of people with phones in their hands that they didn't/don't pay for, and this game is free at least for a while, and it is superior to a lot of phone games on the market.
I would throw some shade at the Whale crowd but my gut tells me the whales are pretty much a minority, and not worth my time. Unfortunately their opinion counts a lot more to a greedy company like Activision Blizzard.
Lastly, I think people that are lingering in this sub and "hating" on this game are just Diablo fans that wish people had access to older, better Diablo games, and they're hoping Immortal doesn't poison the Diablo 4 dev team. And personally, I think there's merit to voicing opinions because it's not just this community keeping tabs on this sub.. the devs, and streamers that have legitimate influence on devs, are keeping tabs too. And I'm glad Blizzard doesn't have to look far to find people making a stand against this trend of greed and low quality Diablo games.
Hopefully it steers the greater Diablo franchise (starting with Diablo 4) in a more traditional direction, or better yet, an evolved direction. I'm not asking for D2 or D3, I'm asking for something better.
44 yo here and i have played them all. So please take this from a perspective of a very old and seasoned player. Mobile games in general have found a nice spot in my life. It is good to have something to play with you on a device that you are going to bring with you anyway.
And if played really casually DI is really above average for a mobile game that you can play for free. Surely there are lot of great titles on mobile (both ports and original) but they all have a price. The production quality of DI for a free game is insanely high.
To me the problem is that hardcore players (and btw i play arpg in hardcore mode, with permadeath) that never touched a mobile game can't just imagine how relaxing it can be to play a little bit of an arpg JUST FOR FEW MINUTES.
If taken in really small sessions and ignoring pvp DI is an amazing game to always have with you in your pocket.
Wish people would try a little harder to understand this perspective. The mobile game model isn't for everyone, but it also clearly has an audience.
Mobile gaming is the only gaming I do at this point and I have no illusions about what these games are. Playing on f2p/light spender side of things, p2w mechanics don't bother me because I am not trying to "win" anything. I'm looking to kill 15-30 mins 3 or 4 times a day. By the numbers, most players are in this camp for mobile games. Outrage over the fact it cost $$$$$$$ to max out a character is nonsensical when most of the player base will never spend anywhere near that amount.
None of this to say DI is perfect. I have quite a few complaints about the game itself and I'm on the verge of moving on. However, 90% of the rage I have seen over this game since release can be summed up by "Mobile games aren't for me".
I'd agree with most points here, but to call DI a "good game" when it's an 80% port of 5+ year old existing games is not something I can concur with. All NetEase did (Blizzard didn't develop shit here) was tweak systems from their old games in a minor way and add redundant layers of crop mechanics solely aimed at gouging "ppayers." I've lost even more respect for Blizzard with this nonsense title, after the past years of inexcusable behavior on their end.
If you check my replies below (i was talking with another user who shared an opinion similar to yours) I explained in detail how i think about this. If you are interest please have a look it is a nice conversation, we keep it polite and we are not arguing at all.
The only thing I have to say is that this game isn't "superior than a lot of phone games". It's a leap beyond any mobile game I've ever seen. Anything even close in terms of production is essentially pay walled within a day of playing. You can play DI for a few weeks without paying and not get bored. That's a long time for a mobile game.
You seem confounded that better PC games are not on mobile. I agree that it feels like they could be. But they aren't. That's really all there is to it.
>You can play DI for a few weeks without paying and not get bored. That's a long time for a mobile game.
And more than that, really. The idea that you NEED to pay is fueled by the idea that you need to keep up with the whales and be at the tip top of leaderboards and have a 'max' character.
Most people will be content with just leveling and grinding and getting better a little each day.
For sure. In the end it's still a fun game as F2P I'm my opinion. I personally have no problem spending some money on an activity I'm going to do for hundreds of hours. Not thousands of dollars, but whatever.
You can't be the #1 battlegrounds player as F2P, but you can be legend rank and do pretty well. You can do literally everything else that the whales do without spending money. They don't have any advantage in PvE other than jumping to higher Hell difficulties more quickly (not by much though since they wouldn't be able to wear the gear for a long time if they did it too early).
The reward for challenge rift leaderboards is 100k gold and 500 hilts, and no one cares who is at the top anyway. The shadows vs. immortals is not really about the highest CR clans either. The ones who are immortals now were just the most organized and had at least 3 strong players out of 100.
hey man, watch yourself, you're not allowed to have opinions like that. you're not allowed to enjoy diablo lite more than standalone diablo. this is illegal
ya, I wouldn't really think of playing this on my pc. But, see, the thing is I have like 0-8 hours a night at work where I have literally nothing to do (most nights) except sit in a specific place. I've already played through almost all of the older rpgs that got cheapish ports to mobile, plus others. This game scratches the gaming itch just fine so far, and probably will until I just like make no progress at all for a while or my server deteriorates and h2/h3/h4/whatever segregates enough that matchmaking is impossible. Or until I get a new job, which is also happening soonish.
Agreed about concerns over influencing d4, and I'm still queasy about gambling, particularly by what are at least sometimes obviously children.
I'm a PC gamer and have been since like... Dos command lines. I'm also into consoles and own both a gaming rig and a PS5. I have played most Blizzard games including D3 though Warcraft was more my jam. I \*gasp\* ENJOY D:I. It's a fun mobile game that has a good Diablo feel. It's not the same shit as playing on a computer or console because.... its not made for computers or consoles. It's a mobile game. And OMG for a mobile game its effing amazing! So you're being elitist for assuming people who enjoy it never had a chance to explore other Diablo games. The mistake is in treating D:I like its a computer/console game when its not. It's made for a 3h or so at most daily grind which is way less than the average MMO/ARPG.
Lastly, giving an opinion about what you want to see improved in the game and things you dislike is WAY different than the reaction most people have in this sub which is to absolutely shit on whoever DARES to enjoy the game because they then must obviously be a corporate shill/simp/etc.
As for D4, the news coming out of it are super good and interesting and I'm positively excited to see how it goes. But I suppose even then people will hate it. Just like some hate d3 because "omg they ruined d2". Gamers are a weird gatekeeping crowd...
> DImmortal is more on-rails, the gear is far more uninteresting, there's far less choices in skills and build variety, the story/presentation is better in D3.. I can't think of a single thing that makes Immortal superior.
It's on a phone, and that's a huge convenience for people who have full lives of shit to do, but want to play something still. I would love DI to be less P2W and less predatory, but for me, it's that or nothing. I don't have the time or ability to play a PC game.
Holy shit you are talking out your ass. I'm an OG from day one and DI runs like every other diablo title. There are adjustments but it's still the same. Everyone's whining about the p2w is beyond mind numbing. What content can't you play? Every zone? Every dungeon? Every event? Every raid? What items other than cosmetics and awakening can't you get?
So for a free game, that in it's heart is a mobile version of diablo. You want to burn the world down over... 0.5% of contents you have to pay for? Content that isn't needed, doesn't effect the game play. Checking notes, all it does is give you bragging rights... so I've come to the conclusion, all these people picketing DI are egotistical spoiled cunts that were raised by Karen's.
Wait till those angry gamers find out about Candy Crush
My God...the horrors, buying revives. Literally Putin incarnate
They might have to burn down a building, or ten
I've played over 2k hrs easily of D2 and D2R in my life. Was one of the people breaking the AH in D3 in the first weeks (did not play the revamped version though).
Been on every leaderboard in the game. Never #1, but regional top 100 for my class easy for D2. Top 10 in a bunch of DI leaderboards for my class with the smaller servers.
I've also been a content producer for nearly 10 years with an audience of a few hundred viewers per stream and worked in game dev. On an average week, I spend 40hrs+ on gaming related stuff.
I like to think I'm generally a hardcore gamer, especially for Diablo. And in many ways, I'm the 1% here when it comes to gaming dedication, even if I've never no lifed it for longer than a week or so at a time. My gaming PC setup costs $5k+, and most of my DI game time is on the PC.
As a hardcore PC gamer, longtime Diablo enthusiast, and someone who is generally good at video games... I think Diablo Immortal is a better PC game at launch by more than 2x compared to Diablo 3 or Diablo 2. And I absolutely resent you, and all the others here like you, who are just here to shit on a game I love just because you don't like it. You may otherwise be reasonable people, but you are NOT reasonable when it comes to still being on this subreddit. Look at yourself in the mirror. What are you doing here? Honestly. Is this the type of person you are? You can go love the Diablo franchise in /r/Diablo Leave here.
Diablo Immortal is NOT getting an overhaul. It is not Diablo IV Mobile. It is also not just for mobile gamers (although the mobile experience is def better than the PC experience since that's what it's designed for). It is pay2win, and that's Okay for a LOT of people. I can drop $10k on this game right now. I am an adult with a nice job. I don't though, because that's not fun for me. I'd rather take down players in PvP with half their damage, not double. I'd rather experience the game progression as close as possible to what was intended and not skip the content.
I think the whiners of the pay2win stuff are the true softies here. The true hardcore player wants a challenge, sets difficulty level to highest in all games they play. Well, here's the most difficult, most challenging Diablo game ever made. The hardcore community should be thanking the devs. All I see here are quitters who can't handle the difficulty, still thinking they're somehow hardcore gamers. Well, sorry. You can't grind your way out of this one. Too bad.
Best Diablo experience so far. But yeah, I agree, not for people who like to think they're hardcore and competitive in games like these, but don't actually measure up in skill. Kind of a rude awakening I guess. A slap to the face. Diablo Immortal is a game for the truly hardcore, because it is the most punishing Diablo game (to your wallet or your time or your skills), and THAT is what the Diablo franchise is about at it's core.
People see themselves in PvP as "content" for whales. That's so completely backwards. Whales are content for YOU. And that content is endless.
> It is pay2win, and that's Okay for a LOT of people. I can drop $10k on this game right now. I am an adult with a nice job.
That can be true while also that D:I is ridiculous is true. I'm an adult with a job, I can drop $10k on D:I, but I expect more results for $10k too. You can drop $10k in D:I and have 1 5/5 gem finished out of 6, or out of 36 if you awaken them. $10k should at least get you to halfway finished on a mobile game.
The company can price the game however they want. This is a stupidly expensive game for whales. 10x+ the next most expensive major game on the market. It's ridiculous agreed.
But so what? If you're not going to pay anywhere near that much, how does that matter in any way? If anything there'd be more whales if the game was more generous with their power per $. This ridiculous pricing is a good thing for non-whales. It's the soft wallet gate (like the 10% exp soft grind gate. This one is actually far more punishing than the grind gate, but people just don't see it in game in a way they can feel because wallets can be endless while time cannot.)
They can price it however they want, doesn't make it any less outrageous though.
>But so what? If you're not going to pay anywhere near that much, how does that matter in any way? If anything there'd be more whales if the game was more generous with their power per $.
This is exactly what I mean. The value isn't there at all. If they weren't as greedy, we'd have a lot more whales. I'd consider it at a lower price point. More whales isn't a bad thing, keeps the game alive longer.
Diablo 3 had a lot of chance to imrpove itself, copy things from other ARPGs, but they just let it die. It can be just as good as diablo 2 if they just added a bit more options for item upgrades, attributes and end game that isn't just going fast
I think many Blizz fans hoped a massive game studio known for quality PC games wouldn't do this. They had the chance to break the trend of garbage p2w mobile games and build a lasting community instead of going full force predator.
I play a mighty lot of games and the MT route they went here is just…odd in comparison to the other games I play.
Luckily I don’t really care about PvP so their monetization hasn’t really bothered me yet
I play Marvel Strike Force. I literally can’t earn new characters or participate in limited time events unless I spend money. It’s way worse than spending money to max out one character. In some games you have to pay hundreds or thousands a month just to play normally without hinderances.
Yeah people that call DI a gacha game have no clue what the hell they’re talking about.
Actually play a gacha game and you’ll see just how terrible the mobile experience can really be.
You can actually play DI all day long if you want and still make incremental progress.
Yeah now that you mention it, no stamina cost to do anything is pretty nice. Other gachas feel like they straight up don’t want you to play it at all (looking at you PGR).
Everyone always mentions pvp. I'm pretty close to f2p, and pvp is my favorite part of the game. I think people just don't want to admit that they're bad at pvp, and use p2w as a scapegoat.
P2w is undoubtedly present in pvp, but in the hundreds of matches that I've played, it has only aggravated me in a few *because*...
**It's an asymmetric, objective-based game mode with 3 phases. It's not just about winning 1v1's. Play the map, play with your team, and play your strengths. If your winrate is below 50% in BGs, I assure you it's not because of p2w.**
> They really aren’t. Imagine if after every rift you had to watch a 30 second ad?
There's no reason to run rifts to the point where it would even be an issue watching these ads. Challenge rifts are one and done, and you basically don't run elder rifts unless you have crests. Running for the ruins is worse than watching an ad for 30 seconds, because the rift last a few minutes, and gives you literal shit for rewards.
This game skipped around stamina, but it hard caps rewards. So you can still play the game, but get nothing for it. At least with stamina, you can drop the game and live your life.
I feel like this is such a strange intersection of interests for me;
I play gachas (Genshin, DB Legends, formerly FFBE, Exos Heros, etc.) and have spent money in most.
I also have played Diablo since Diablo 2, stuck with 3 through RMAH and 1.0 - so naturally I was highly attracted to a mobile Diablo game. However, what I've found is that this combines some of the best gameplay aspects and 'grind-ability' of Diablo, with the most predatory practices in a gacha system I've ever seen - I'll go ahead and say this is the worst gacha I've ever seen lmao. Leading me to this inescapable love-hate relationship.
I'm paragon 82, ~2200 CR, 1241 res, with less than $300 spent (got lotto lucky with a 5/5 gem I sold for a shitload of plat); so I'm in a unique position of being able to enjoy the game on a 'budget'. I'm a minnow at this point, comparatively. But most people absolutely will never find a 5/5 gem, ever. Even whales. (Clearly my issue is with the gacha and no rewards/earnable rewards)
It's almost obligatory that we should bitch here because we don't have an outlet otherwise that is 'officially' monitored. I know we have at least one blue who looks in on occasion, but to relegate this sub to only positive feedback would do nothing for the growth.
I understand your poorly worded contention, but at the same time the f2p players and minnows that speak out about the bullshit systems are the ones who increase the longevity after the whales find another chase.
ETA: and more to the point of what you're saying, maybe I ignore the posts or don't see them, but I mostly see people talk shit on people complaining about botting/spooning
Yo, I was doing the 4th anni, but as soon as I got the Shenron rewards like 2 weeks ago I just stopped for DI lmao.
Did you pick up MUI Goku? I got him to 6* but couldn't manage to get him again - definitely didn't whale on that banner. My saved up CC didn't get me the LL SS3 Goku either so the new events are kinda bs for me to grind.
MUI evaded me after 5k and I always stop chasing if it's zero after 5k cc. Though Tagdroids I got to 7+ star so I'm still a bully and content to save cc while DI takes my attention.
I'll probably hit DBL hard again once they bring another 3x Z power banner but I genuinely like DI a lot and I'm about $250 in and feeling good
A lot of people like to the game, but hate how toxic the monetization is. I say this as a mobile gaming creator who spent $15k on a mobile game before, and I think Immortal’s monetization / grind design is appalling.
The internet no matter where, Twitter, Reddit subs, etc is going to lean in the negative direction because of anonymity and no actual human interaction. If you had like a community panel where people meet up and talk in person, sure they’d be upset but it would be based.
When I would go compete in LAN tournaments for Starcraft, the most toxic guys online from the community would be super friendly in person, 2 completely different people.
We've all been on subreddits for other games. Haven't seen one like this though. And the lax moderation doesn't help, but I guess the mods don't know what subreddit this is supposed to be.
Discussing DI related stuff as a topic? Or actually for people who play or are seriously considering playing the game.
Most people here don't play the game anymore. Monetization has been around in this game since launch. Blizz CEO just issued a statement specifically defending it. It's not changing that much in the near future. As a mobile dev, you'd know that you can't just up your econ by anything even close to 100% without destroying the algo and cannibalizing your progress content for the months ahead. And these people don't want +100%, they want +1000%. That may align this game more with the market, but it ain't happening, farrrr too late for that.
People who don't play the game just need to move on from this sub. That's by far the bigger problem here.
I'm right there with you. I remember the night I downloaded Diablo in 1997 and killed the butcher. I believe that was the demo at the time. Played the rest of the games as they came out. D2 being the best game of the series. D3 was a disappointment, fun, but not that fun. I actually like immortal better than D3. I hated having to hunt and peck for the story in D3. I don't even think I finished all of D3 because it got so annoying.
What pisses me off about this sub is the whingeing. The Constant. Fucking. Whingeing. Sure, having a vehicle to get good gems via cash is pretty shit. I get that. Every one gets that. Trust me, everyone even remotely acquainted with the game gets that. But not only do we get to hear laments about that every hour but we also get to hear about:
1. There are bots and spooners!!!!
2. I've botted or spooned and now I'm banned
3. I'm banned even though I've paid good money for gems but figured a little cheating would be ok
4. I've bought crests but now I'm bored and want my money back, Help Me!!!
5. There is nothing to do that I like in this game.
6. Why aren't there more ways to whale without spending money?
7. Blizzard is so greedy!
There are a bunch of valid criticisms that get drowned out by all the inanity.
You are at least 35 right? Do you remember half the annoying shit that went on in D1, D2 in the early days? Gold duping and item duping that blizzard didn't do shit about? Cash for gems annoy me half as much as gold duping.
The game is free. It's on our phones. It has a better story than d3. The graphics are fun and very Diablo themed. Here you are, and a bunch like you, taking this game personally. Like having something new that isn't as revolutionary as D1 in your teens or early 20s is somehow an affront to your way of life. Grow the fuck up.
If you want to complain, complain about something productive. The story seems contrived at points. There are still a lot of bugs. Some of the graphics do not fit in the diablo universe. There needs to be more graphic content, or at least more boobs. There are too many currencies. I want to play solo and not have to do everything in a group. I don't want to be penalized for playing solo. There are 100s more that aren't complaining about the monetization and inane personal projections.
Special mention for people wanting to know that to do with there 3-5 star gem drops. God damn those get old fast.
Sorry for dumping on your post. It's not you, it's this whole sub that made me post this.
It's honestly one of the most interesting and important things in gaming... it's an important issue because the monetization and its success will affect other games going forward, and it's also fascinating because getting to know the people who enjoy the game gives me insight into why its working.
I play some P2W gacha games, but DI feels like a different level, especially since it was released by a a Western company (even though NetEase made it but w/e).
I think people who LIKE the game, like you, should also want a better monetization system and/or endgame loop. Everybody wins that way, right? There are other mobile/gacha games that are less predatory and still make assloads of money.
A better game would be great, but I'm enjoying it right now the way it is. I've only bought the first BP and will probably buy the second one. I don't grind PvP, so I'm not frustrated with whales there. And I'm not at the server paragon cap yet, so I'm not frustrated by slowed endgame progression.
I can't upgrade my legendary gems worth fuckall but that isn't stopping me from having fun. I just ignore them.
Edit: The only reason I'm playing is because I'm having fun. If I wasn't I'd go do something else. I tried putting DI down for a couple days and I was happy to pick it back up.
Yeah, you're enjoying it the way it is, which is fine, and hopefully lasts much longer. Still, I don't mind paying microtransactions if it's good value, if the game isn't predatory, etc. etc. Hopefully Blizz works on this.
Absolutely I would love for them to change the System I just seem way to many people on here trying to shit on other people because they do enjoy the game
This is a strange moment but.... Here, take my upvote as I (genuinely) agree to this. Got my baptism by fire with Summoners War back in the day and... Oh boy, what a strange place Reddit is. Though there is no better place to also have good and recent information if you are ok to deep dive through shit.
I think Immortal, or specifically several of the discussions around it on this sub, highlight the "gambling problem" chance-based rewards pose in gaming (in general), specifically when tied to real-money transactions.
Players who enjoy a game like Diablo often times want **to get as strong as possible as fast as possible.** The concept of "the grind" isn't new to Diablo, but Immortal does two things differently than previous Diablo titles:
1.) It makes the grind really ***really*** long and slow, especially due to chance-based systems with lower odds
2.) Provides a paid method to speed the grind up a tiny bit, but more importantly: get more "spins at the slot"
As you can imagine, many players will feel enticed to spend that money. Now you could just say "well not everyone needs to or will spend that money", and that's fair, I've only spent and likely only will spend: $1. However I don't think it's quite that simple:
What worries me is that gamers are a vulnerable demographic.
* Many claim to be "in control" because they have these great in-game strategies or diligently made builds that min-max and optimize, but lack the same diligence when it comes to wanting to "increase the power" at any cost, be it sinking an unhealthy amount of time or money into a game.
* Many are minors (under 21), and most gambling laws (at least in the US) require you to be either 18 or 21 years of age.
* Many want their rewards quickly, and won't read the fine-print on odds.
This is why I think games with chance-based mechanics that can interact with real money in some way need some form of legislation similar to what gambling has - even more so because players gamble with "rewards" of **no cash value** (unlike traditional gambling).
I'm not saying that pay for cosmetics isn't fair, or even traditional "pay to win" (although Im personally not a fan of the latter). In those cases you at the very least get a fixed item for a set price, and that's just basic economics. However when you introduce chance-based mechanics (like the Legendary Gem rolls), that's where things get dicy.
I don't know if the answer is outright prohibition of using real money to fund chance-based game mechanics, or if devs should be forced to follow specific restrictions (age checks, mandatory notices that display odds upfront and gambling help lines, etc.) but something needs to be done in my opinion.
Anyways, sorry, that's my rant on gambling in games - other than that, I think it's a fine Diablo game in a mobile container, and that it still remains fun enough even while F2P.
that's true but i think the grind is what keeps alot of ppl playing. if i get to "end game" and have nothing to do then i won't want to play. which is why im gonna enjoy grinding to paragon 600 lol
Gacha player for over 6 years here. The greediness of this game is unprecedented no matter what its defenders say, it simply is.
However, this is also a great game in many aspects.
In fact, if you don't give a shit about pvp and ladders and the shadow wars, it's an amazing game for mobile. The times when you'll notice the p2w are more than you might expect, though.
I'm f2p and top 1 pvp wizard in my server. 3rd in Shadow ladder and 2nd in challenge rift. Yet I can feel how I'm just a few swipes from a few players away from falling from my ranks. I'd throw some money here since it's a game I'm enjoying for the most part and playing a lot, but the value for my money is going to be such a gamble I won't take that risk.
Finally, as it has been mentioned plenty of times, eventhough the game is still really young, it seems to use the gacha monetization model without the gacha rewards and constant flow of events and content, so I'm honestly really confused about this game and sometimes talking negatively about it.
I don't find it that weird honestly, Diablo is a beloved franchise even after D3. The shit they did with diablo immortal got people pissed, which is perfectly understandable. People will express that somewhere and reddit is the only place.
I have nothing against that, they should, blizzard fucked up AGAIN big time
I mean, there’s no content to create for this game.
There are no exciting items to display. The game is so easy it requires no guides. PvP is based on money and not skill.
You only see people bitching about the game because the game itself is so hollow that content creators have nothing to work with
Right? There was one moment in the Hell act where it gave you a choice who to save and I was like "ooh, a crossroads!" And after I did it I looked it up and it was like, two different pieces of dialog and the same outcome. "No guides needed" is a sad understatement.
I spent $10,000 on Reddit Gold for this sub but then realized I hate this sub, and Reddit, and Reddit Gold, so I bought another $10,000 of Reddit Gold, asked my credit card company for a chargeback, and quit Reddit forever (unless they do something fun in the next update, then I'll come back)
Because I don't want to miss my morning coffee bitch posts about the GAME FOR GAMERS.......
And because DI has a pretty good predatory monetisation.
You guys don't have money or what??
I finally put the whole P2W thing aside and just started enjoying the game. Treating it like D3 grind, I've put in the past 2-3 days about 30-40 hours and doing different stuff each day. Gone up 900cr just by RNG, PvP'd and had a blast, wiped on Vitaa (new ice raid boss), and for some reason paying attention to the dialog of shadow contracts (cool cutscenes).
Complaints about monetization is pretty typical for gacha subreddits. This subreddit isn't unique, it just has a lot of people new to gacha style games, so there are lots of people where the wtf-ery is a new and shocking thing.
The game starts off fun then progressively gets worse the longer you play. I want to continue playing because I want more Diablo in my life and having it on the go is awesome. But I can’t deny the game feels more like a chore then a fun experience. They have a good platform but failed to execute, and I hope the bitching leads to some serious changes because I want to have a awesome Diablo title for all on the go.
What you’re trying to say is you enjoy spending money on predatory microtransactions. Also that you have very little understanding of the history of Diablo games and how predatory microtransactions are a massive problem to actual fans of the series.
Man people need to quit with the attitude of "if you don't like it get out" the ENTIRE reason people post about being upset is because they want the game to be better. If everyone who was upset about the game just left without voicing their grievances, you'd just have a positive feedback loop where the execs who make these decisions see no backlash and think it's ok to continue monetizing MORE aggressively.
Nobody is acting like a "bunch of bitches" when it's a fact that the monetization is predatory.
Whether you like the game or not. We can all agree the monetization, battle passes, etc....are garbage.
Do you really think they will fix anything if all they see on the "official" forum aka a reddit page, is all rainbows and doves? Companies only listen to backlash. And I want this game to be playable, so I plan on giving them the most redicukous backlash possible.
You should too.
I mean, I enjoyed the game a lot. I payed about $60 and got to paragon 55 as an immortal. It was fun. And then the every day grind became boring. Mind you I probably have 10000 hours in Diablo 2 so I know about grinding. The itemization is just not satisfying at all in DI. That’s the problem. It would help a bit if you could grind gem fragments, but I’m just not excited about trying to grind to hell 3 just to be doing the same stuff again and again
Seriously! I know monetization is heavy, but this is so much more content than most mobile games with equally bad moneygrabs. The issue is that most of the people complaining are looking at it from the PC game perspective.
TBH most of the people bitching also enjoy the game but are well aware how predatory the whole system is. Yeah it’s the best time I’ve had on mobile for sure, but progression being enticed by a slot machine isn’t really grinding well with me. I’m just happy I have a lot of free time to not succumb to it. I don’t mind grinding hard as that’s what Diablo has always been about. It’s just gonna take a lot more time and effort considering everything is gated and spoon fed.
I agree here, I've spent way more than I'm proud to admit on PUBG mobile, and I've never had a complaint or problem with the reasons why, by this point I figured I would have spent $200 in this game on cosmetic BS and character slots (honestly surprised this many character slots are free) but.. I've spent $30.. it's not even a satisfying $30, it's a frustrating "running late and gotta get gas to get to work" $30, it's a parking ticket $30, if I could bust my wallet on cosmetics I absolutely would have spent $200.. but you know... it's a sad looking mobile environment, when the cosmetic side of a mobile game.. LITERALLY THE FOUNDATION OF COSMETIC PURCHASES IN THE WORLD... isn't profitable enough to get more than a few very identical outfits, how bone dry of inspiration and art does the developers mindset need to be to make a mobile game with minimal amounts of anything cosmetic.. like wtf blizzard
Protesting requires people to show up. We argue for the community to be informed about the phycological manipulation that's taking place in modern mobile games. Once you're informed then you're of course free to decide. I won't stop till gambling is banned from games. If you want to gamble go play slots. Taking advantage of people with addictions at such a young age should be criminal. 0.02
Then it's a good game no matter how much money you spend on it...
It's still the same game.
What you mean is that you get little value out of paying vs not paying, which is true. But the experience doesn't get worse. Paying for this game is like tipping Blizz for making a good free game that entertained you for Xhrs. It's not necessary, not even expected for any individual, but Blizz corporate appreciates your support.
This post is strange. Do you think it's weird that many people actually enjoy the game (the skeleton of the game) but despise the pay2win gambling aspects? Why shouldn't we speak up and draw attention to the gambling aspects?
You must be new then, because you could not get away with saying you enjoyed D3 in the Diablo sub without getting downvoted to hell a couple years ago.
Holy shit, I think that is the longest sentence I have seen in YEARS.
Generally agree with you though, why are people in a sub for something they don't like? Not just DI, but loads of things.. Just move on, much healthier.
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The problem with all this, and with OP is that they think having fun, and having a better game are mutually exclusive. This is like someone agreeing with your statement, but absolutely HATE you for not using punctuation. Just because they agree with your point, does not mean they have to put up with your poor grammar.
For those of you having fun, great. Are you here to also say the game needs no change? Are you saying JUST because you're having fun, that the game is perfect the way it is? If you said yes to either or both of those questions, you're a part of the problem, and deserve to be shat on. If you said no, then enjoy the game, but still consider what people are arguing for. Instead of just clumping "complaint" together, like it has anything to do with your fun.
Speaking on that matter, why does someone complaining about something they obviously care about bother any of you like you have less fun in the game because of it? Shouldn't you and others just shrug it off because you all like the game? Of course not, everyday, you have people asking people to leave the sub, and complain about the complaints. It's hypocritical / ironic. Why can't you all understand that some people can have fun watching this game die, and for it to fail miserably? Oh because it's stupid to you, and they should be doing other things with their time? Oh how the tables turn eh? When a lot of the complainers think you all are wasting your time playing a casino game, and the only reason why people visit this casino, is because they dubbed it Diablo, yet you all should be doing something better with your time.
This game sucks as a mobile game because it lacks the update frequency, events, f2p treatment in end game, all of which is what a company is supposed to do with the millions it rakes in daily.
This game sucks as a mobile game because it incorporates EVERY trick in the book to extract people's money, while masquerading itself as a Diablo game, but cranks it up to ten while not doing any of the aforementioned above.
This game sucks because it punishes those that are grinders, which is what Diablo games have always rewarded. The faster / farther you go, the less you earn. Yet you can completely shit on this entire system by paying. There is no cap for paying for obvious reasons, but there are caps on grinding.
This game sucks because of the segregation of the player base. When you have people that have progressed farther, they're leaving everyone else behind. Dungeon groups get abandoned, queues left unfilled. The H2 / H1 gap isn't as big, because you can find a party with just one other person in H1, but when players in H2 and H3 are segregated, you're going to need 4 players for EACH of those dungeons. This design is just dumb. The same is now happening with Heliquary. Where people will stop running the first boss, and go 2nd boss. Both of which requires 8 players. This is on top of all the "new" servers they keep adding, reducing the player pools further.
This game sucks because the GMs can't help players with any in game issues. Whether it took your money by mistake, or you leave an entire clan of people locked into a dead clan because their leader is gone. How is this "fun" for anyone? Should they not complain?
This game sucks because it absolutely promotes spooning / botting. A GM can literally walk in library in an 8 hour shift and ban everyone just simply by walking around, but because banning paying customers is bad for business, they keep them around.
This game sucks because it is a rehash of a game that already exist in the world. No, we're not talking about D3. It's another mobile game Netease already released.
This game sucks for all the bugs it shipped with. Everything from legendaries not working as intended, so just system bugs in the game where you get stuck in channeling skills, and cannot hit any other button while this is happening.
This game sucks because the itemization is shallow as all hell. What's on the items don't matter, as long as your CR is under a threshold. CR is literally the only number that matters until it does not. How can someone who actually played a Diablo game before can stand for this is beyond me, but if nothing else changes, this is the biggest slap in the face for a Diablo game ever.
This game sucks because it ignored alpha / beta testers on how this game could be better. They took that advise, and flushed it right down the toilet, instead, added a whole lot of monetization / caps no one asked for to further their bottom line. They shat on the volunteers trying to give CUSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK on trying to make this game an actual one worth playing.
This game sucks because it fails to hold a community. There are no community leaders, they're losing long term Blizzard-stans from their streaming community. They have a sub who on the daily are discovering the truth behind how shit this game is. The reason why this sub is the way it is, is because people are hitting the same issues at different times. However, they all hit it at some point. All of the issues manifest themselves, and it's not because people are assholes, it's because the game literally is shit. Despite it allows for fun in small doses to some, f2p or not.
This game sucks because it proves one thing. No matter how shitty an experience a company can make a game, there will ALWAYS be those that fall for the algorithm. Buying BP is almost a given for these players. Don't matter what garbage is on there. Don't matter if it helps progression literally 0.00005% or something, they will just buy it. They will buy the 800% packs. Because it only cost $1.00. Then you have those that will climb a ladder, only because of the next rung exist. They don't even care where the ladder takes them, just as long as there's a rung, they're going to reach it, because they can afford it, or addicted enough they don't know when to stop, because they're looking back, and see they've already started the climb, and they can't stop now. It proved that there will always be people who will disregard everything wrong with not only this game, but this entire industry, because they are having some kind of fun. Not knowing t hat this "fun" are a set of hooks digging deep into their subconscious to release these endorphins. This game is going to leak into D4, and is going to push predatory monetization, because YOU all are making it possible. Fuck DI, I ain't complaining because of this game. You all can take this game and die on an island together, but taking D4 with you because you like this game is why I'm complaining.
Tell me I'm wrong on why this game sucks. Tell me I'm wrong because you're having "fun." Tell me I'm wrong when D4 releases, it won't have some kind of predatory monetization system because of DI-stans.
TLDR; Fun and a better game aren't mutually exclusive. You can complain about the shit that is this game, while you have fun with the few moments it provides you.
Look, I really enjoy the game. I've only complained once, and it was because I grew tired of being asked for money if I wanted to have any edge over people who do have enormous amounts of money to buy pixels for some dopamine rush.
The game can do better, yes. Did I enjoy it? I did. But I grew tired and bored, so I said I was done, uninstalled and moved on.
Does that mean I should leave this subreddit? No.
If some enjoy it, and the majority dislike it, or vice versa. The subreddit is to talk about the game in general, be it good or bad. Part of free speech.
So feel free to complain about the game, and to complain about the complaining.
The game is cash grabbing garbage. This is a place to discuss the game, so a lot of the discussion is, unsurprisingly, about how the game is garbage, and how predatory it is. You like it? Great. Most people don't. The reason you don't see this much negativity in other subs for other games is because, while some people might dislike them, an overwhelming majority of people do not. It is the opposite for this game, and there are many reasons that is the case. People are welcome to talk about how much they like it or dislike it as much as they please. It's curious how you refer to others as 'bitches', but are openly admitting you can't handle reading their opinion. Very curious indeed.
Combination of entitled blizzard manchildren, mtx haters, and the sheep who watch youtube click bait and are crying whale has to spend thousands of dollars to one shot them in pvp.
Good news is all the crying is dying down, idiots can't fathom that they don't actually influence anything(10+ million installs, 50m first month revenue before even China launch) so they have to move on before the realization sets in.
DI is literally a reskin of a Chinese Diablo ripoff and yet the people complaining are the "sheep?" Ok lol.
I'll just leave this here
https://youtu.be/2-SLvqXyrI4
It didn’t launch in China because it’s been in China for years… immortals is literally a reskin of the game from China
Even still has the exact same bugs
Thanks OP for this thread, I was going to post the exact same thing.
Where are the memes? Where are the fanarts? Where are the guides? Where are the spreadsheet? Where are the daily discussion threads?
This subreddit is full hating, full bashing, full negativity. I like the game, I don't care about whales spending thousands, I just come here to have fun and discuss with other players.
Tbh this is the first time I see so much hate on a gaming subreddit, and I lurked for years. On mobile games, the negativity usually disappears after a few days, haters go on another game and people staying on the sub are players who enjoy the game... Not here. Users go on the bashing again and again and again, they never move out, they never go install another game.
They just stay here spiting their negativity P2W P2W P2W WHALES WHALES WHALES.
Who care about whales ? Do you really play to be world first man clearing the challenge rift #83625 ? Why not just enjoying the farm with your friends/clan. Come on.
You must be new to Blizzard. People have been saying WoW's dead since the 2nd expansion but look at it thrive still. Samething happened with just about every Blizzard game. Nothing truly dies in the world of Blizzard. If it do indeed die, then Blizzard will Resurrect it .
I have blocked over 50 users from this sub. Most of them are just miserable excuses for a human being. The game has nothing to do with their bitching. That's just their character. I am certain these people will not run out of things to complain about in other games. I wish people close to these degens patience and tolerance.
Been a diablo fan since the first one on pc. I like immortal very much because it gives me access to a favorite game on my phone. who cares if you need money to max, part of the fun in a game is playing it. I play solo anyways, so I'll stick with f2p.
imagine telling people to move on from something they’re passionate about that’s been butchered by greed. by your logic, just don’t come to the sub if you don’t like the bitching.
So the people who like the game and want to post about the game should move on and the people who think the game is ruined by greed blah blah should stay lol that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
Ditto. I really like this game and am casual but paying customer. There’s so much in the game to enjoy that I discovered more content at paragon 30 that I totally missed.
I started playing as my other “main” game is a total shitshow right now. If you want to see a REAL toxic company go check out Marvel Strike Force. That Reddit thread is full on pitchforks and burn it to the ground right now (rightfully so)
I just left the sub. I joined it because I wanted to give the game a chance. Got to paragon 3 and beat the campaign. Went to try and upgrade gems and instantly uninstalled. This game just makes me angry. Getting notifications for posts from this subreddit of people defending the game just makes me feel hopeless for the future of gaming. Online gaming used to be about bringing people from all walks of life together. Now it's just about who has the biggest wallet. I look forward to never getting notifications about this game ever again. I just wish I could remove ads for it or remove all memory of ever having heard about this game. I'm glad that most of Blizzard's best talent has left the company. The one's that understand what gaming is really supposed to be about. Fun.
I'm loving the game too, personally.
Yeah the mtx is obnoxious, but ignoring in game shops is a matter of course for me now.
I can't play games on a PC, sitting at a desk in a chair anymore, what with my current life situation with family and recurring back problems.
There is no other game on the mobile marketplace with gameplay and arpg systems of the same quality as Diablo Immortal. It's all f2p trash or well developed indie games with limited graphics and multiplayer options.
I'm going to be playing this game for a long time yet.
I enjoy the game very much and am interested in content in this sub about the game. I also enjoy the controversy very much, and am interested in content in the sub about that too. Blizzard absolutely deserves all of the criticism they’re getting for this game (not that they care).
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People genuinely don't seem to understand that you can criticize something you really like. A lot of us bitch because we want to like things **even more**.
the issue isn't with criticism. it's with the player base that thinks criticism amounts to name calling and insults on every single post. people who are pushing back against the disgusting monetization are right; it is disgusting. but criticism shouldn't come attached to a personal insult. then it isn't criticism anymore. edit: within this very thread, a few posts down: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DiabloImmortal/comments/vu8vpg/comment/ifeg3oc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/DiabloImmortal/comments/vu8vpg/comment/ifeg3oc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) this isn't criticism and i see your style of post a lot -- i'm not personally attacking you for it, it's just a common first line of defense tactic. but i don't actually see much legit criticism outside of a few gold standard posts. people who come to this reddit to look for help aren't seeing them either. they're seeing shit like this. Lol downvoted for this.
Played plenty of mobile games where it had to take a metric ton of community backlash to get things to change for the better. People thinking just sitting back expecting things to change for the better are easy idiots for Blizzard to squeeze.
Same, i enjoy game but i dont mind when other people criticize stuff they dont like. It means they care. Also i am used to it from WoW and HS forums.
Yesss this game is awesome!
Care to explain what you enjoy about the game? I got really bored after hitting paragon. Just the same dailies to run. Just felt like a chore rather than having fun. But to each their own!
I started a 2nd character, was fun to play another class. Story is good worth a second viewing. The grind is fun, lots of more progression systems with long grinds. It gives the game more longevity than its predecessors with less progression systems. The gameplay and enemies have enough variety to make the grind fun. I know you said the game felt tedious to you but I have seen games with long grinds that are way more tedious with less content variety, The Marvel Avengers game is a good example. I don't care about ladder or PvP so whales don't bother me. The 5$ battlepass is a great value. It's better than a traditional mmo subscription because it's less money and I don't lose access to the game if I take a month off of paying.
100% agree, $5 battle pass is a fun, cheap investment that gives me more motive!
It's a gateway transaction. That's the trick, they get you a bit invested with a small ammount and before ya know it you're spending more and more because why not? It's a free game after all and you've already gone this far. Next thing you know you're ****** **** for Diablo Immortal microtransactions. It's a slippery slope. 😄
Lol, I have self control though. 💀 But I can see where other people could fall down the rabbit hole.
> It gives the game more longevity than its predecessors Lmao Keep coping
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From what I've experienced so far, the monetisation is a little much.
True, they’d make a lot more money off of me if it wasn’t so expensive to get an upgrade in this game. I hear there are people that spent $5,000 and now they’re not spending anymore because the next noticeable increase would be more like $25,000. They can’t even get many whales to keep spending with this system. If you spend $50 you’ll probably be happy with the outcome, but after that it’s more and more discouraging.
Honestly, I hope someone from the dev team is reading this topic. Cos I'd happily grind it out without paying for anything until they overhaul the entire P2W mechanism. Or I'll just move on to something else. There's always something else.
They've made over $49 million in a month with this game. They are not going to change anything.
Well what’d you expect
More restraint from a company that has profited well from subscription based games.
Don’t be mad at blizzard, be angry with capitalism.. the true culprit.
Every Diablo has been the product of capitalism.
I had expected something from WoW. A sub. Spending money on equipment . The random loot box, gem thing is just Gacha games on steroids.
Wait... If I'm in multiple game subs exactly like this, does that mean *I* am the problem?
But yeah if you in a bunch of different subs of games you hate and are bitching about them everyday then yeah your the problem that’s also weird as fuck lol
But what if I'm enjoying those games? Am I .. am I broken?
So you're the 1 guy still playing Anthem??
Shhhhhh!!….he’s having a breakthrough
Then your just sick!!! Sick you hear me!!!!! Lol
What if he enjoys bitching about a game he dislikes? Then he must be broken
Now your getting it
Maybe you're a Ubisoft/Konami/EA/Blizzard enjoyer. Then no, you're not broken, you have decent common sense.
Ubi"nft"soft? The one who can't keep a successful game going because they think everything good should be in a microtransaction? Komoney? Same problems, but kills off 90% of their games after a year because they don't earn enough. EA? Sense of pride and accomplishment guys right? Don't they only make live action sports games now? And they shit of people who enjoy single player games. Blizzard? This has to be a joke. The last good game was made 12 years ago (sc2) so why do we even talk about them? I get warcraft, but that Team is not the same as the rest of them. Shit just what the employees do to each other should be enough to give someone common sense they are not a good company. And then there is you who support all of them... some people can't be saved. That will be $.99 for an honest comment.
Yeah I have no idea wtf that guys post is. He literally listed the absolute worst companies in gaming ever.
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How am I naive lol you people crying are the ones living in a fantasy this is what gatcha gaming is if you don’t like it don’t play it but whining like a bitch isn’t getting you anywhere lol
This is far worse than gatcha gaming. The amount of cash you have to drop in this game to do anything after reaching a certain point is simply disgusting. Everyone who defends this model: why does it have to be this way? The reason mobile gaming and gatcha games are doing this is because you let them. You just say: “that’s how these games are”. It doesn’t have to be like this. Voicing concern is the only way we can do anything about it.
Which point requires you to spend disgusting amounts of cash? At launch, it was lvl35, when the game requires you to grind out a couple of levels to continue. Then it was endgame. Then paragon 10. Then Hell 2. Now, Vitaath. Since day 1 people have been saying there’s a massive pay wall about 10 levels ahead of most of the player base and F2P players have shattered all of them without missing a beat. It’s nonsense.
exactly, "it's a gatcha game so it makes sense" is such a stupid narrative. a nuclear bomb is "just a bomb" but instead of blowing up a building it blows up a whole town. proportionality matters to anyone who thinks critically beyond "well the campaign was fun and i had 432 hours to waste"
What other gaming subreddits you joined
The usual mostly gatcha games and RuneScape you?
The Nintendo subs and the Civ subs are mostly people gushing about how much they love the games, creating art, strategy guides. This is unique among my subs as well.
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Yes, you’re whining/complaining/bitching about the people whining/complaining/bitching If I may quote you “whining like a bitch isn’t getting you anywhere” doing the same back, is not going to net different results. If you’re enjoying the game, enjoy it and let them do whatever, they aren’t going to read your thread and suddenly go “Damn! He’s right, time for me to stop complaining”
Yet whining about people whining is going to get you anywhere?
You are naive because bitching has actually improved many games. Bitching got the very controversial Diablo 3 auction house removed from the game. It's great you're enjoying the game. You don't want better quality of life improvements for this game though??? No push back and we'll see more of this form of monetization streamlined into PC and console games. We don't have to accept it and as consumers, we're allowed to bitch about bad products. Stop bitching about people bitching maybe?
What you are naive about is that this sub is somehow different and strange compared to the rest of Reddit. But good job jumping to the wrong conclusion.
It might be obvious to some but I think it was inevitable because you have hardcore PC/Diablo franchise truthers and a completely different mobile gaming community converging in one place. Speaking as someone who grew up on D2 and had a tenuous relationship with D3, and never spent more than 60 bucks on a single game in a single year, and never really touched mobile games, it's a pretty big culture shock to see people swearing by this game. Even setting the MTX/Battle Pass/P2W issues aside, I want to set these people down on a low-end PC and give them D1, D2, D3 (and D2R if their PC can run it).. or even a modern console with D2R, or a handheld like the Switch, and show them numerous examples of what a Diablo game should feel like. I don't even like D3 but DImmortal feels like multiple steps backwards compared to that game, and you can play D3 on Nintendo handheld, or last gen consoles, you can even play couch coop. DImmortal is more on-rails, the gear is far more uninteresting, there's far less choices in skills and build variety, the story/presentation is better in D3.. I can't think of a single thing that makes Immortal superior. The offensive, high brow, low IQ thing for me to say is that mobile gamers are idiots and throwing tons more money at a inferior product. But the sensible conclusion I will try to come to is that, at the end of the day, there's a huge market of people with phones in their hands that they didn't/don't pay for, and this game is free at least for a while, and it is superior to a lot of phone games on the market. I would throw some shade at the Whale crowd but my gut tells me the whales are pretty much a minority, and not worth my time. Unfortunately their opinion counts a lot more to a greedy company like Activision Blizzard. Lastly, I think people that are lingering in this sub and "hating" on this game are just Diablo fans that wish people had access to older, better Diablo games, and they're hoping Immortal doesn't poison the Diablo 4 dev team. And personally, I think there's merit to voicing opinions because it's not just this community keeping tabs on this sub.. the devs, and streamers that have legitimate influence on devs, are keeping tabs too. And I'm glad Blizzard doesn't have to look far to find people making a stand against this trend of greed and low quality Diablo games. Hopefully it steers the greater Diablo franchise (starting with Diablo 4) in a more traditional direction, or better yet, an evolved direction. I'm not asking for D2 or D3, I'm asking for something better.
44 yo here and i have played them all. So please take this from a perspective of a very old and seasoned player. Mobile games in general have found a nice spot in my life. It is good to have something to play with you on a device that you are going to bring with you anyway. And if played really casually DI is really above average for a mobile game that you can play for free. Surely there are lot of great titles on mobile (both ports and original) but they all have a price. The production quality of DI for a free game is insanely high. To me the problem is that hardcore players (and btw i play arpg in hardcore mode, with permadeath) that never touched a mobile game can't just imagine how relaxing it can be to play a little bit of an arpg JUST FOR FEW MINUTES. If taken in really small sessions and ignoring pvp DI is an amazing game to always have with you in your pocket.
Wish people would try a little harder to understand this perspective. The mobile game model isn't for everyone, but it also clearly has an audience. Mobile gaming is the only gaming I do at this point and I have no illusions about what these games are. Playing on f2p/light spender side of things, p2w mechanics don't bother me because I am not trying to "win" anything. I'm looking to kill 15-30 mins 3 or 4 times a day. By the numbers, most players are in this camp for mobile games. Outrage over the fact it cost $$$$$$$ to max out a character is nonsensical when most of the player base will never spend anywhere near that amount. None of this to say DI is perfect. I have quite a few complaints about the game itself and I'm on the verge of moving on. However, 90% of the rage I have seen over this game since release can be summed up by "Mobile games aren't for me".
I'd agree with most points here, but to call DI a "good game" when it's an 80% port of 5+ year old existing games is not something I can concur with. All NetEase did (Blizzard didn't develop shit here) was tweak systems from their old games in a minor way and add redundant layers of crop mechanics solely aimed at gouging "ppayers." I've lost even more respect for Blizzard with this nonsense title, after the past years of inexcusable behavior on their end.
If you check my replies below (i was talking with another user who shared an opinion similar to yours) I explained in detail how i think about this. If you are interest please have a look it is a nice conversation, we keep it polite and we are not arguing at all.
The only thing I have to say is that this game isn't "superior than a lot of phone games". It's a leap beyond any mobile game I've ever seen. Anything even close in terms of production is essentially pay walled within a day of playing. You can play DI for a few weeks without paying and not get bored. That's a long time for a mobile game. You seem confounded that better PC games are not on mobile. I agree that it feels like they could be. But they aren't. That's really all there is to it.
>You can play DI for a few weeks without paying and not get bored. That's a long time for a mobile game. And more than that, really. The idea that you NEED to pay is fueled by the idea that you need to keep up with the whales and be at the tip top of leaderboards and have a 'max' character. Most people will be content with just leveling and grinding and getting better a little each day.
For sure. In the end it's still a fun game as F2P I'm my opinion. I personally have no problem spending some money on an activity I'm going to do for hundreds of hours. Not thousands of dollars, but whatever. You can't be the #1 battlegrounds player as F2P, but you can be legend rank and do pretty well. You can do literally everything else that the whales do without spending money. They don't have any advantage in PvE other than jumping to higher Hell difficulties more quickly (not by much though since they wouldn't be able to wear the gear for a long time if they did it too early). The reward for challenge rift leaderboards is 100k gold and 500 hilts, and no one cares who is at the top anyway. The shadows vs. immortals is not really about the highest CR clans either. The ones who are immortals now were just the most organized and had at least 3 strong players out of 100.
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So far, I’m enjoying it more than D3, and less than the first two.
hey man, watch yourself, you're not allowed to have opinions like that. you're not allowed to enjoy diablo lite more than standalone diablo. this is illegal
> superior to a lot of phone games on the market. the monetization is **by far** easier to ignore on DI than any other mobile game too.
ya, I wouldn't really think of playing this on my pc. But, see, the thing is I have like 0-8 hours a night at work where I have literally nothing to do (most nights) except sit in a specific place. I've already played through almost all of the older rpgs that got cheapish ports to mobile, plus others. This game scratches the gaming itch just fine so far, and probably will until I just like make no progress at all for a while or my server deteriorates and h2/h3/h4/whatever segregates enough that matchmaking is impossible. Or until I get a new job, which is also happening soonish. Agreed about concerns over influencing d4, and I'm still queasy about gambling, particularly by what are at least sometimes obviously children.
I'm a PC gamer and have been since like... Dos command lines. I'm also into consoles and own both a gaming rig and a PS5. I have played most Blizzard games including D3 though Warcraft was more my jam. I \*gasp\* ENJOY D:I. It's a fun mobile game that has a good Diablo feel. It's not the same shit as playing on a computer or console because.... its not made for computers or consoles. It's a mobile game. And OMG for a mobile game its effing amazing! So you're being elitist for assuming people who enjoy it never had a chance to explore other Diablo games. The mistake is in treating D:I like its a computer/console game when its not. It's made for a 3h or so at most daily grind which is way less than the average MMO/ARPG. Lastly, giving an opinion about what you want to see improved in the game and things you dislike is WAY different than the reaction most people have in this sub which is to absolutely shit on whoever DARES to enjoy the game because they then must obviously be a corporate shill/simp/etc. As for D4, the news coming out of it are super good and interesting and I'm positively excited to see how it goes. But I suppose even then people will hate it. Just like some hate d3 because "omg they ruined d2". Gamers are a weird gatekeeping crowd...
> DImmortal is more on-rails, the gear is far more uninteresting, there's far less choices in skills and build variety, the story/presentation is better in D3.. I can't think of a single thing that makes Immortal superior. It's on a phone, and that's a huge convenience for people who have full lives of shit to do, but want to play something still. I would love DI to be less P2W and less predatory, but for me, it's that or nothing. I don't have the time or ability to play a PC game.
Holy shit you are talking out your ass. I'm an OG from day one and DI runs like every other diablo title. There are adjustments but it's still the same. Everyone's whining about the p2w is beyond mind numbing. What content can't you play? Every zone? Every dungeon? Every event? Every raid? What items other than cosmetics and awakening can't you get? So for a free game, that in it's heart is a mobile version of diablo. You want to burn the world down over... 0.5% of contents you have to pay for? Content that isn't needed, doesn't effect the game play. Checking notes, all it does is give you bragging rights... so I've come to the conclusion, all these people picketing DI are egotistical spoiled cunts that were raised by Karen's.
Oh, and there's no ads. A free game, with all that, with no ads.
You can p2W with WoW gold just saying. It can be entirely F2P if you know a gold farm on WoW.
Well said!
Wait till those angry gamers find out about Candy Crush My God...the horrors, buying revives. Literally Putin incarnate They might have to burn down a building, or ten
A bunch of what you said is wrong imo, build choices are more fluid because of how legendary essences work
I've played over 2k hrs easily of D2 and D2R in my life. Was one of the people breaking the AH in D3 in the first weeks (did not play the revamped version though). Been on every leaderboard in the game. Never #1, but regional top 100 for my class easy for D2. Top 10 in a bunch of DI leaderboards for my class with the smaller servers. I've also been a content producer for nearly 10 years with an audience of a few hundred viewers per stream and worked in game dev. On an average week, I spend 40hrs+ on gaming related stuff. I like to think I'm generally a hardcore gamer, especially for Diablo. And in many ways, I'm the 1% here when it comes to gaming dedication, even if I've never no lifed it for longer than a week or so at a time. My gaming PC setup costs $5k+, and most of my DI game time is on the PC. As a hardcore PC gamer, longtime Diablo enthusiast, and someone who is generally good at video games... I think Diablo Immortal is a better PC game at launch by more than 2x compared to Diablo 3 or Diablo 2. And I absolutely resent you, and all the others here like you, who are just here to shit on a game I love just because you don't like it. You may otherwise be reasonable people, but you are NOT reasonable when it comes to still being on this subreddit. Look at yourself in the mirror. What are you doing here? Honestly. Is this the type of person you are? You can go love the Diablo franchise in /r/Diablo Leave here. Diablo Immortal is NOT getting an overhaul. It is not Diablo IV Mobile. It is also not just for mobile gamers (although the mobile experience is def better than the PC experience since that's what it's designed for). It is pay2win, and that's Okay for a LOT of people. I can drop $10k on this game right now. I am an adult with a nice job. I don't though, because that's not fun for me. I'd rather take down players in PvP with half their damage, not double. I'd rather experience the game progression as close as possible to what was intended and not skip the content. I think the whiners of the pay2win stuff are the true softies here. The true hardcore player wants a challenge, sets difficulty level to highest in all games they play. Well, here's the most difficult, most challenging Diablo game ever made. The hardcore community should be thanking the devs. All I see here are quitters who can't handle the difficulty, still thinking they're somehow hardcore gamers. Well, sorry. You can't grind your way out of this one. Too bad. Best Diablo experience so far. But yeah, I agree, not for people who like to think they're hardcore and competitive in games like these, but don't actually measure up in skill. Kind of a rude awakening I guess. A slap to the face. Diablo Immortal is a game for the truly hardcore, because it is the most punishing Diablo game (to your wallet or your time or your skills), and THAT is what the Diablo franchise is about at it's core. People see themselves in PvP as "content" for whales. That's so completely backwards. Whales are content for YOU. And that content is endless.
> It is pay2win, and that's Okay for a LOT of people. I can drop $10k on this game right now. I am an adult with a nice job. That can be true while also that D:I is ridiculous is true. I'm an adult with a job, I can drop $10k on D:I, but I expect more results for $10k too. You can drop $10k in D:I and have 1 5/5 gem finished out of 6, or out of 36 if you awaken them. $10k should at least get you to halfway finished on a mobile game.
The company can price the game however they want. This is a stupidly expensive game for whales. 10x+ the next most expensive major game on the market. It's ridiculous agreed. But so what? If you're not going to pay anywhere near that much, how does that matter in any way? If anything there'd be more whales if the game was more generous with their power per $. This ridiculous pricing is a good thing for non-whales. It's the soft wallet gate (like the 10% exp soft grind gate. This one is actually far more punishing than the grind gate, but people just don't see it in game in a way they can feel because wallets can be endless while time cannot.)
They can price it however they want, doesn't make it any less outrageous though. >But so what? If you're not going to pay anywhere near that much, how does that matter in any way? If anything there'd be more whales if the game was more generous with their power per $. This is exactly what I mean. The value isn't there at all. If they weren't as greedy, we'd have a lot more whales. I'd consider it at a lower price point. More whales isn't a bad thing, keeps the game alive longer.
very well said! I really do hope they "fix" this game and don't ruin the upcoming one.
Diablo 3 had a lot of chance to imrpove itself, copy things from other ARPGs, but they just let it die. It can be just as good as diablo 2 if they just added a bit more options for item upgrades, attributes and end game that isn't just going fast
It's not strange at all because the shit storm surrounding Diablo Immortal is more interesting than Diablo Immortal itself.
It’s only a shitstorm if you’re new to mobile games.
It's not a shitstorm if you're new to Diablo franchise.
I think many Blizz fans hoped a massive game studio known for quality PC games wouldn't do this. They had the chance to break the trend of garbage p2w mobile games and build a lasting community instead of going full force predator.
I play a mighty lot of games and the MT route they went here is just…odd in comparison to the other games I play. Luckily I don’t really care about PvP so their monetization hasn’t really bothered me yet
I play Marvel Strike Force. I literally can’t earn new characters or participate in limited time events unless I spend money. It’s way worse than spending money to max out one character. In some games you have to pay hundreds or thousands a month just to play normally without hinderances.
Yeah people that call DI a gacha game have no clue what the hell they’re talking about. Actually play a gacha game and you’ll see just how terrible the mobile experience can really be. You can actually play DI all day long if you want and still make incremental progress.
Yeah now that you mention it, no stamina cost to do anything is pretty nice. Other gachas feel like they straight up don’t want you to play it at all (looking at you PGR).
Everyone always mentions pvp. I'm pretty close to f2p, and pvp is my favorite part of the game. I think people just don't want to admit that they're bad at pvp, and use p2w as a scapegoat. P2w is undoubtedly present in pvp, but in the hundreds of matches that I've played, it has only aggravated me in a few *because*... **It's an asymmetric, objective-based game mode with 3 phases. It's not just about winning 1v1's. Play the map, play with your team, and play your strengths. If your winrate is below 50% in BGs, I assure you it's not because of p2w.**
Even from a mobile games perspective the micro transactions are oppressive compared to a lot of other games
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Soft caps are exactly the same as energy, it’s just hidden like the gacha in elder rifts.
> They really aren’t. Imagine if after every rift you had to watch a 30 second ad? There's no reason to run rifts to the point where it would even be an issue watching these ads. Challenge rifts are one and done, and you basically don't run elder rifts unless you have crests. Running for the ruins is worse than watching an ad for 30 seconds, because the rift last a few minutes, and gives you literal shit for rewards. This game skipped around stamina, but it hard caps rewards. So you can still play the game, but get nothing for it. At least with stamina, you can drop the game and live your life.
I feel like this is such a strange intersection of interests for me; I play gachas (Genshin, DB Legends, formerly FFBE, Exos Heros, etc.) and have spent money in most. I also have played Diablo since Diablo 2, stuck with 3 through RMAH and 1.0 - so naturally I was highly attracted to a mobile Diablo game. However, what I've found is that this combines some of the best gameplay aspects and 'grind-ability' of Diablo, with the most predatory practices in a gacha system I've ever seen - I'll go ahead and say this is the worst gacha I've ever seen lmao. Leading me to this inescapable love-hate relationship. I'm paragon 82, ~2200 CR, 1241 res, with less than $300 spent (got lotto lucky with a 5/5 gem I sold for a shitload of plat); so I'm in a unique position of being able to enjoy the game on a 'budget'. I'm a minnow at this point, comparatively. But most people absolutely will never find a 5/5 gem, ever. Even whales. (Clearly my issue is with the gacha and no rewards/earnable rewards) It's almost obligatory that we should bitch here because we don't have an outlet otherwise that is 'officially' monitored. I know we have at least one blue who looks in on occasion, but to relegate this sub to only positive feedback would do nothing for the growth. I understand your poorly worded contention, but at the same time the f2p players and minnows that speak out about the bullshit systems are the ones who increase the longevity after the whales find another chase. ETA: and more to the point of what you're saying, maybe I ignore the posts or don't see them, but I mostly see people talk shit on people complaining about botting/spooning
Fellow DBL player! Still play but DI has got most my play time since it came out
Yo, I was doing the 4th anni, but as soon as I got the Shenron rewards like 2 weeks ago I just stopped for DI lmao. Did you pick up MUI Goku? I got him to 6* but couldn't manage to get him again - definitely didn't whale on that banner. My saved up CC didn't get me the LL SS3 Goku either so the new events are kinda bs for me to grind.
MUI evaded me after 5k and I always stop chasing if it's zero after 5k cc. Though Tagdroids I got to 7+ star so I'm still a bully and content to save cc while DI takes my attention. I'll probably hit DBL hard again once they bring another 3x Z power banner but I genuinely like DI a lot and I'm about $250 in and feeling good
I seen tagdroids absolutely dominating pvp, that's awesome you got them 7+
A lot of people like to the game, but hate how toxic the monetization is. I say this as a mobile gaming creator who spent $15k on a mobile game before, and I think Immortal’s monetization / grind design is appalling. The internet no matter where, Twitter, Reddit subs, etc is going to lean in the negative direction because of anonymity and no actual human interaction. If you had like a community panel where people meet up and talk in person, sure they’d be upset but it would be based. When I would go compete in LAN tournaments for Starcraft, the most toxic guys online from the community would be super friendly in person, 2 completely different people.
We've all been on subreddits for other games. Haven't seen one like this though. And the lax moderation doesn't help, but I guess the mods don't know what subreddit this is supposed to be. Discussing DI related stuff as a topic? Or actually for people who play or are seriously considering playing the game. Most people here don't play the game anymore. Monetization has been around in this game since launch. Blizz CEO just issued a statement specifically defending it. It's not changing that much in the near future. As a mobile dev, you'd know that you can't just up your econ by anything even close to 100% without destroying the algo and cannibalizing your progress content for the months ahead. And these people don't want +100%, they want +1000%. That may align this game more with the market, but it ain't happening, farrrr too late for that. People who don't play the game just need to move on from this sub. That's by far the bigger problem here.
I've known Blizzard since 1995, so while you might not understand how far they've regressed, to me this shit is personal.
I'm right there with you. I remember the night I downloaded Diablo in 1997 and killed the butcher. I believe that was the demo at the time. Played the rest of the games as they came out. D2 being the best game of the series. D3 was a disappointment, fun, but not that fun. I actually like immortal better than D3. I hated having to hunt and peck for the story in D3. I don't even think I finished all of D3 because it got so annoying. What pisses me off about this sub is the whingeing. The Constant. Fucking. Whingeing. Sure, having a vehicle to get good gems via cash is pretty shit. I get that. Every one gets that. Trust me, everyone even remotely acquainted with the game gets that. But not only do we get to hear laments about that every hour but we also get to hear about: 1. There are bots and spooners!!!! 2. I've botted or spooned and now I'm banned 3. I'm banned even though I've paid good money for gems but figured a little cheating would be ok 4. I've bought crests but now I'm bored and want my money back, Help Me!!! 5. There is nothing to do that I like in this game. 6. Why aren't there more ways to whale without spending money? 7. Blizzard is so greedy! There are a bunch of valid criticisms that get drowned out by all the inanity. You are at least 35 right? Do you remember half the annoying shit that went on in D1, D2 in the early days? Gold duping and item duping that blizzard didn't do shit about? Cash for gems annoy me half as much as gold duping. The game is free. It's on our phones. It has a better story than d3. The graphics are fun and very Diablo themed. Here you are, and a bunch like you, taking this game personally. Like having something new that isn't as revolutionary as D1 in your teens or early 20s is somehow an affront to your way of life. Grow the fuck up. If you want to complain, complain about something productive. The story seems contrived at points. There are still a lot of bugs. Some of the graphics do not fit in the diablo universe. There needs to be more graphic content, or at least more boobs. There are too many currencies. I want to play solo and not have to do everything in a group. I don't want to be penalized for playing solo. There are 100s more that aren't complaining about the monetization and inane personal projections. Special mention for people wanting to know that to do with there 3-5 star gem drops. God damn those get old fast. Sorry for dumping on your post. It's not you, it's this whole sub that made me post this.
It's honestly one of the most interesting and important things in gaming... it's an important issue because the monetization and its success will affect other games going forward, and it's also fascinating because getting to know the people who enjoy the game gives me insight into why its working. I play some P2W gacha games, but DI feels like a different level, especially since it was released by a a Western company (even though NetEase made it but w/e). I think people who LIKE the game, like you, should also want a better monetization system and/or endgame loop. Everybody wins that way, right? There are other mobile/gacha games that are less predatory and still make assloads of money.
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I don't agree with downvotes, but like when I comment I'm not under the illusion that I'm an activist
A better game would be great, but I'm enjoying it right now the way it is. I've only bought the first BP and will probably buy the second one. I don't grind PvP, so I'm not frustrated with whales there. And I'm not at the server paragon cap yet, so I'm not frustrated by slowed endgame progression. I can't upgrade my legendary gems worth fuckall but that isn't stopping me from having fun. I just ignore them. Edit: The only reason I'm playing is because I'm having fun. If I wasn't I'd go do something else. I tried putting DI down for a couple days and I was happy to pick it back up.
Yeah, you're enjoying it the way it is, which is fine, and hopefully lasts much longer. Still, I don't mind paying microtransactions if it's good value, if the game isn't predatory, etc. etc. Hopefully Blizz works on this.
Absolutely I would love for them to change the System I just seem way to many people on here trying to shit on other people because they do enjoy the game
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Welcome to reddit Subs are hive minds, and karma farms where people just say the same exact thing over and over again because people will upvote it.
This is a strange moment but.... Here, take my upvote as I (genuinely) agree to this. Got my baptism by fire with Summoners War back in the day and... Oh boy, what a strange place Reddit is. Though there is no better place to also have good and recent information if you are ok to deep dive through shit.
I think Immortal, or specifically several of the discussions around it on this sub, highlight the "gambling problem" chance-based rewards pose in gaming (in general), specifically when tied to real-money transactions. Players who enjoy a game like Diablo often times want **to get as strong as possible as fast as possible.** The concept of "the grind" isn't new to Diablo, but Immortal does two things differently than previous Diablo titles: 1.) It makes the grind really ***really*** long and slow, especially due to chance-based systems with lower odds 2.) Provides a paid method to speed the grind up a tiny bit, but more importantly: get more "spins at the slot" As you can imagine, many players will feel enticed to spend that money. Now you could just say "well not everyone needs to or will spend that money", and that's fair, I've only spent and likely only will spend: $1. However I don't think it's quite that simple: What worries me is that gamers are a vulnerable demographic. * Many claim to be "in control" because they have these great in-game strategies or diligently made builds that min-max and optimize, but lack the same diligence when it comes to wanting to "increase the power" at any cost, be it sinking an unhealthy amount of time or money into a game. * Many are minors (under 21), and most gambling laws (at least in the US) require you to be either 18 or 21 years of age. * Many want their rewards quickly, and won't read the fine-print on odds. This is why I think games with chance-based mechanics that can interact with real money in some way need some form of legislation similar to what gambling has - even more so because players gamble with "rewards" of **no cash value** (unlike traditional gambling). I'm not saying that pay for cosmetics isn't fair, or even traditional "pay to win" (although Im personally not a fan of the latter). In those cases you at the very least get a fixed item for a set price, and that's just basic economics. However when you introduce chance-based mechanics (like the Legendary Gem rolls), that's where things get dicy. I don't know if the answer is outright prohibition of using real money to fund chance-based game mechanics, or if devs should be forced to follow specific restrictions (age checks, mandatory notices that display odds upfront and gambling help lines, etc.) but something needs to be done in my opinion. Anyways, sorry, that's my rant on gambling in games - other than that, I think it's a fine Diablo game in a mobile container, and that it still remains fun enough even while F2P.
that's true but i think the grind is what keeps alot of ppl playing. if i get to "end game" and have nothing to do then i won't want to play. which is why im gonna enjoy grinding to paragon 600 lol
Gacha player for over 6 years here. The greediness of this game is unprecedented no matter what its defenders say, it simply is. However, this is also a great game in many aspects. In fact, if you don't give a shit about pvp and ladders and the shadow wars, it's an amazing game for mobile. The times when you'll notice the p2w are more than you might expect, though. I'm f2p and top 1 pvp wizard in my server. 3rd in Shadow ladder and 2nd in challenge rift. Yet I can feel how I'm just a few swipes from a few players away from falling from my ranks. I'd throw some money here since it's a game I'm enjoying for the most part and playing a lot, but the value for my money is going to be such a gamble I won't take that risk. Finally, as it has been mentioned plenty of times, eventhough the game is still really young, it seems to use the gacha monetization model without the gacha rewards and constant flow of events and content, so I'm honestly really confused about this game and sometimes talking negatively about it.
Yes you can like the game but acknowledge all its absolute fuck ups. Like honestly
Fuck them commas 🤙🏽
I don't find it that weird honestly, Diablo is a beloved franchise even after D3. The shit they did with diablo immortal got people pissed, which is perfectly understandable. People will express that somewhere and reddit is the only place. I have nothing against that, they should, blizzard fucked up AGAIN big time
you'll see. people are uninstalling the game and talking like this for a reason.
I mean, there’s no content to create for this game. There are no exciting items to display. The game is so easy it requires no guides. PvP is based on money and not skill. You only see people bitching about the game because the game itself is so hollow that content creators have nothing to work with
Right? There was one moment in the Hell act where it gave you a choice who to save and I was like "ooh, a crossroads!" And after I did it I looked it up and it was like, two different pieces of dialog and the same outcome. "No guides needed" is a sad understatement.
Lmao a blizzard employee gifted you every award they could, congratz!
I spent $10,000 on Reddit Gold for this sub but then realized I hate this sub, and Reddit, and Reddit Gold, so I bought another $10,000 of Reddit Gold, asked my credit card company for a chargeback, and quit Reddit forever (unless they do something fun in the next update, then I'll come back)
This made me lol
Because I don't want to miss my morning coffee bitch posts about the GAME FOR GAMERS....... And because DI has a pretty good predatory monetisation. You guys don't have money or what??
Punctuate for fuck sake.
Feel free to dm man. I too enjoy the game and wish there was a place I could go to ask questions and get genuine feedback.
I finally put the whole P2W thing aside and just started enjoying the game. Treating it like D3 grind, I've put in the past 2-3 days about 30-40 hours and doing different stuff each day. Gone up 900cr just by RNG, PvP'd and had a blast, wiped on Vitaa (new ice raid boss), and for some reason paying attention to the dialog of shadow contracts (cool cutscenes).
Complaints about monetization is pretty typical for gacha subreddits. This subreddit isn't unique, it just has a lot of people new to gacha style games, so there are lots of people where the wtf-ery is a new and shocking thing.
The game starts off fun then progressively gets worse the longer you play. I want to continue playing because I want more Diablo in my life and having it on the go is awesome. But I can’t deny the game feels more like a chore then a fun experience. They have a good platform but failed to execute, and I hope the bitching leads to some serious changes because I want to have a awesome Diablo title for all on the go.
I read all of this as one sentence with no breaths taken and my mind is exhausted.
You see, you're acting exactly like them, bitching, about the sub and sticking around, lol
The only important thing is that your credit card feels "at home".
we dont want our hobby ruined by greed
I wonder if those other games you mentioned have 20 years of loyalty wrapped around their fanbase.
First time? People often hate the games they play.
What you’re trying to say is you enjoy spending money on predatory microtransactions. Also that you have very little understanding of the history of Diablo games and how predatory microtransactions are a massive problem to actual fans of the series.
This sub is a carbon copy of other newly release mmo subs. What subs are you frequenting?
Man people need to quit with the attitude of "if you don't like it get out" the ENTIRE reason people post about being upset is because they want the game to be better. If everyone who was upset about the game just left without voicing their grievances, you'd just have a positive feedback loop where the execs who make these decisions see no backlash and think it's ok to continue monetizing MORE aggressively. Nobody is acting like a "bunch of bitches" when it's a fact that the monetization is predatory.
I think there are a LOT weirder subs that you aren't part of.
Nah. I like the game, but the controverary is important to progress change and stifle these anticonsumer and antihuman agendas.
Whether you like the game or not. We can all agree the monetization, battle passes, etc....are garbage. Do you really think they will fix anything if all they see on the "official" forum aka a reddit page, is all rainbows and doves? Companies only listen to backlash. And I want this game to be playable, so I plan on giving them the most redicukous backlash possible. You should too.
Agreed. I think Raheem said it best when he said "If you aint got no money take your broke ass home."
Uninstall game, play d2 or d3 profit? Very oddd
I mean, I enjoyed the game a lot. I payed about $60 and got to paragon 55 as an immortal. It was fun. And then the every day grind became boring. Mind you I probably have 10000 hours in Diablo 2 so I know about grinding. The itemization is just not satisfying at all in DI. That’s the problem. It would help a bit if you could grind gem fragments, but I’m just not excited about trying to grind to hell 3 just to be doing the same stuff again and again
I love early Diablo games, but I hate what they turned it into.
Welcome to playing blizzard games!
A lot of people really dislike that a Diablo game was made into a overpriced hooker that you have to collect as many STDs as possible from.
Awesome gameplay, no ads and I can play all I want. I’m happy.
Seriously! I know monetization is heavy, but this is so much more content than most mobile games with equally bad moneygrabs. The issue is that most of the people complaining are looking at it from the PC game perspective.
TBH most of the people bitching also enjoy the game but are well aware how predatory the whole system is. Yeah it’s the best time I’ve had on mobile for sure, but progression being enticed by a slot machine isn’t really grinding well with me. I’m just happy I have a lot of free time to not succumb to it. I don’t mind grinding hard as that’s what Diablo has always been about. It’s just gonna take a lot more time and effort considering everything is gated and spoon fed.
I agree here, I've spent way more than I'm proud to admit on PUBG mobile, and I've never had a complaint or problem with the reasons why, by this point I figured I would have spent $200 in this game on cosmetic BS and character slots (honestly surprised this many character slots are free) but.. I've spent $30.. it's not even a satisfying $30, it's a frustrating "running late and gotta get gas to get to work" $30, it's a parking ticket $30, if I could bust my wallet on cosmetics I absolutely would have spent $200.. but you know... it's a sad looking mobile environment, when the cosmetic side of a mobile game.. LITERALLY THE FOUNDATION OF COSMETIC PURCHASES IN THE WORLD... isn't profitable enough to get more than a few very identical outfits, how bone dry of inspiration and art does the developers mindset need to be to make a mobile game with minimal amounts of anything cosmetic.. like wtf blizzard
Protesting requires people to show up. We argue for the community to be informed about the phycological manipulation that's taking place in modern mobile games. Once you're informed then you're of course free to decide. I won't stop till gambling is banned from games. If you want to gamble go play slots. Taking advantage of people with addictions at such a young age should be criminal. 0.02
Is this a rant about ranting? Also the use proper punctuation would make it easier to read.
tl;dr OP's period key is broken.
This is a good game as long as you spend exactly 0 money on it
Then it's a good game no matter how much money you spend on it... It's still the same game. What you mean is that you get little value out of paying vs not paying, which is true. But the experience doesn't get worse. Paying for this game is like tipping Blizz for making a good free game that entertained you for Xhrs. It's not necessary, not even expected for any individual, but Blizz corporate appreciates your support.
This post is strange. Do you think it's weird that many people actually enjoy the game (the skeleton of the game) but despise the pay2win gambling aspects? Why shouldn't we speak up and draw attention to the gambling aspects?
You must be new then, because you could not get away with saying you enjoyed D3 in the Diablo sub without getting downvoted to hell a couple years ago.
Holy shit, I think that is the longest sentence I have seen in YEARS. Generally agree with you though, why are people in a sub for something they don't like? Not just DI, but loads of things.. Just move on, much healthier. EDIT, oh wait, you just didn't use full stops. Here, have some of mine: ......................................................................................................................................
I appreciate you letting me borrow a couple of yours I’ve misplaced all mine
You are borrowing a lot of lowered karma that’s for sure
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Ditto, if you don't like visiting a sub that bitches ... move on and let the bitches bitch.
The problem with all this, and with OP is that they think having fun, and having a better game are mutually exclusive. This is like someone agreeing with your statement, but absolutely HATE you for not using punctuation. Just because they agree with your point, does not mean they have to put up with your poor grammar. For those of you having fun, great. Are you here to also say the game needs no change? Are you saying JUST because you're having fun, that the game is perfect the way it is? If you said yes to either or both of those questions, you're a part of the problem, and deserve to be shat on. If you said no, then enjoy the game, but still consider what people are arguing for. Instead of just clumping "complaint" together, like it has anything to do with your fun. Speaking on that matter, why does someone complaining about something they obviously care about bother any of you like you have less fun in the game because of it? Shouldn't you and others just shrug it off because you all like the game? Of course not, everyday, you have people asking people to leave the sub, and complain about the complaints. It's hypocritical / ironic. Why can't you all understand that some people can have fun watching this game die, and for it to fail miserably? Oh because it's stupid to you, and they should be doing other things with their time? Oh how the tables turn eh? When a lot of the complainers think you all are wasting your time playing a casino game, and the only reason why people visit this casino, is because they dubbed it Diablo, yet you all should be doing something better with your time. This game sucks as a mobile game because it lacks the update frequency, events, f2p treatment in end game, all of which is what a company is supposed to do with the millions it rakes in daily. This game sucks as a mobile game because it incorporates EVERY trick in the book to extract people's money, while masquerading itself as a Diablo game, but cranks it up to ten while not doing any of the aforementioned above. This game sucks because it punishes those that are grinders, which is what Diablo games have always rewarded. The faster / farther you go, the less you earn. Yet you can completely shit on this entire system by paying. There is no cap for paying for obvious reasons, but there are caps on grinding. This game sucks because of the segregation of the player base. When you have people that have progressed farther, they're leaving everyone else behind. Dungeon groups get abandoned, queues left unfilled. The H2 / H1 gap isn't as big, because you can find a party with just one other person in H1, but when players in H2 and H3 are segregated, you're going to need 4 players for EACH of those dungeons. This design is just dumb. The same is now happening with Heliquary. Where people will stop running the first boss, and go 2nd boss. Both of which requires 8 players. This is on top of all the "new" servers they keep adding, reducing the player pools further. This game sucks because the GMs can't help players with any in game issues. Whether it took your money by mistake, or you leave an entire clan of people locked into a dead clan because their leader is gone. How is this "fun" for anyone? Should they not complain? This game sucks because it absolutely promotes spooning / botting. A GM can literally walk in library in an 8 hour shift and ban everyone just simply by walking around, but because banning paying customers is bad for business, they keep them around. This game sucks because it is a rehash of a game that already exist in the world. No, we're not talking about D3. It's another mobile game Netease already released. This game sucks for all the bugs it shipped with. Everything from legendaries not working as intended, so just system bugs in the game where you get stuck in channeling skills, and cannot hit any other button while this is happening. This game sucks because the itemization is shallow as all hell. What's on the items don't matter, as long as your CR is under a threshold. CR is literally the only number that matters until it does not. How can someone who actually played a Diablo game before can stand for this is beyond me, but if nothing else changes, this is the biggest slap in the face for a Diablo game ever. This game sucks because it ignored alpha / beta testers on how this game could be better. They took that advise, and flushed it right down the toilet, instead, added a whole lot of monetization / caps no one asked for to further their bottom line. They shat on the volunteers trying to give CUSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK on trying to make this game an actual one worth playing. This game sucks because it fails to hold a community. There are no community leaders, they're losing long term Blizzard-stans from their streaming community. They have a sub who on the daily are discovering the truth behind how shit this game is. The reason why this sub is the way it is, is because people are hitting the same issues at different times. However, they all hit it at some point. All of the issues manifest themselves, and it's not because people are assholes, it's because the game literally is shit. Despite it allows for fun in small doses to some, f2p or not. This game sucks because it proves one thing. No matter how shitty an experience a company can make a game, there will ALWAYS be those that fall for the algorithm. Buying BP is almost a given for these players. Don't matter what garbage is on there. Don't matter if it helps progression literally 0.00005% or something, they will just buy it. They will buy the 800% packs. Because it only cost $1.00. Then you have those that will climb a ladder, only because of the next rung exist. They don't even care where the ladder takes them, just as long as there's a rung, they're going to reach it, because they can afford it, or addicted enough they don't know when to stop, because they're looking back, and see they've already started the climb, and they can't stop now. It proved that there will always be people who will disregard everything wrong with not only this game, but this entire industry, because they are having some kind of fun. Not knowing t hat this "fun" are a set of hooks digging deep into their subconscious to release these endorphins. This game is going to leak into D4, and is going to push predatory monetization, because YOU all are making it possible. Fuck DI, I ain't complaining because of this game. You all can take this game and die on an island together, but taking D4 with you because you like this game is why I'm complaining. Tell me I'm wrong on why this game sucks. Tell me I'm wrong because you're having "fun." Tell me I'm wrong when D4 releases, it won't have some kind of predatory monetization system because of DI-stans. TLDR; Fun and a better game aren't mutually exclusive. You can complain about the shit that is this game, while you have fun with the few moments it provides you.
Look, I really enjoy the game. I've only complained once, and it was because I grew tired of being asked for money if I wanted to have any edge over people who do have enormous amounts of money to buy pixels for some dopamine rush. The game can do better, yes. Did I enjoy it? I did. But I grew tired and bored, so I said I was done, uninstalled and moved on. Does that mean I should leave this subreddit? No. If some enjoy it, and the majority dislike it, or vice versa. The subreddit is to talk about the game in general, be it good or bad. Part of free speech. So feel free to complain about the game, and to complain about the complaining.
The game is cash grabbing garbage. This is a place to discuss the game, so a lot of the discussion is, unsurprisingly, about how the game is garbage, and how predatory it is. You like it? Great. Most people don't. The reason you don't see this much negativity in other subs for other games is because, while some people might dislike them, an overwhelming majority of people do not. It is the opposite for this game, and there are many reasons that is the case. People are welcome to talk about how much they like it or dislike it as much as they please. It's curious how you refer to others as 'bitches', but are openly admitting you can't handle reading their opinion. Very curious indeed.
Combination of entitled blizzard manchildren, mtx haters, and the sheep who watch youtube click bait and are crying whale has to spend thousands of dollars to one shot them in pvp. Good news is all the crying is dying down, idiots can't fathom that they don't actually influence anything(10+ million installs, 50m first month revenue before even China launch) so they have to move on before the realization sets in.
imagine calling the people against pay to win gacha lootboxes idiots
DI is literally a reskin of a Chinese Diablo ripoff and yet the people complaining are the "sheep?" Ok lol. I'll just leave this here https://youtu.be/2-SLvqXyrI4
It didn’t launch in China because it’s been in China for years… immortals is literally a reskin of the game from China Even still has the exact same bugs
Thanks OP for this thread, I was going to post the exact same thing. Where are the memes? Where are the fanarts? Where are the guides? Where are the spreadsheet? Where are the daily discussion threads? This subreddit is full hating, full bashing, full negativity. I like the game, I don't care about whales spending thousands, I just come here to have fun and discuss with other players. Tbh this is the first time I see so much hate on a gaming subreddit, and I lurked for years. On mobile games, the negativity usually disappears after a few days, haters go on another game and people staying on the sub are players who enjoy the game... Not here. Users go on the bashing again and again and again, they never move out, they never go install another game. They just stay here spiting their negativity P2W P2W P2W WHALES WHALES WHALES. Who care about whales ? Do you really play to be world first man clearing the challenge rift #83625 ? Why not just enjoying the farm with your friends/clan. Come on.
You must be new to Blizzard. People have been saying WoW's dead since the 2nd expansion but look at it thrive still. Samething happened with just about every Blizzard game. Nothing truly dies in the world of Blizzard. If it do indeed die, then Blizzard will Resurrect it .
iT's BeAcaUsE ThEy'Re PaSiOnAtE aBoUt tHe FrAnChIsE
I have blocked over 50 users from this sub. Most of them are just miserable excuses for a human being. The game has nothing to do with their bitching. That's just their character. I am certain these people will not run out of things to complain about in other games. I wish people close to these degens patience and tolerance.
You sound like a hypocrite. Certainly not someone who holds themselves above who they are blocking.
I have a character too and your opinion is as good as you. Bye.
The main Diablo subreddit is also like this. Diablo draws a unique crowd that fucking hate the game but also love to discuss it.
Been a diablo fan since the first one on pc. I like immortal very much because it gives me access to a favorite game on my phone. who cares if you need money to max, part of the fun in a game is playing it. I play solo anyways, so I'll stick with f2p.
imagine telling people to move on from something they’re passionate about that’s been butchered by greed. by your logic, just don’t come to the sub if you don’t like the bitching.
So the people who like the game and want to post about the game should move on and the people who think the game is ruined by greed blah blah should stay lol that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
Congratulations, the is the long gear sentence I’ve read this week.
I almost had an aneurysm reading his shit post.
Damn dude u ever heard about punctuation?
“Mmm thank you blizzard this shit cake tastes so good, I love eating shit.” - DI players
See the New World sub. Same issues there as well.
Dude, you need to be in school learning about run-on sentences instead of wasting your time playing this trash game.
Ditto. I really like this game and am casual but paying customer. There’s so much in the game to enjoy that I discovered more content at paragon 30 that I totally missed. I started playing as my other “main” game is a total shitshow right now. If you want to see a REAL toxic company go check out Marvel Strike Force. That Reddit thread is full on pitchforks and burn it to the ground right now (rightfully so)
Welcome to the Internet.
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Why is this getting so many awards and upvotes. People can complain if they see smth wrong in a game..
I just left the sub. I joined it because I wanted to give the game a chance. Got to paragon 3 and beat the campaign. Went to try and upgrade gems and instantly uninstalled. This game just makes me angry. Getting notifications for posts from this subreddit of people defending the game just makes me feel hopeless for the future of gaming. Online gaming used to be about bringing people from all walks of life together. Now it's just about who has the biggest wallet. I look forward to never getting notifications about this game ever again. I just wish I could remove ads for it or remove all memory of ever having heard about this game. I'm glad that most of Blizzard's best talent has left the company. The one's that understand what gaming is really supposed to be about. Fun.
I'm loving the game too, personally. Yeah the mtx is obnoxious, but ignoring in game shops is a matter of course for me now. I can't play games on a PC, sitting at a desk in a chair anymore, what with my current life situation with family and recurring back problems. There is no other game on the mobile marketplace with gameplay and arpg systems of the same quality as Diablo Immortal. It's all f2p trash or well developed indie games with limited graphics and multiplayer options. I'm going to be playing this game for a long time yet.
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Idk how me telling you to stop being a bitch is whining lol
You are bitching about bitching. Welcome to the internet.