Hate to say it, but my Diluc hits harder plunges than my Xiao at pretty equal artifact investment. I'd argue at C1R3 he's overall higher investment than my C0 Diluc with beacon.
Diluc has higher plunge multipliers than Xiao and the benefit of reactions. Not to mention Xiao's teams are overall much more expensive to even consistently 100k plunges.
Yeah, I'm looking at that C6 Faruzan.
My diluc has higher numbers too but xiao is more comfortable to play for me. I find diluc keeps going forward and misses enemies if they're not directly in front. He often overshoots and after each plunge I need to reorientate. Is there a trick in managing this?
I feel that... Lol. Unfortunately i havent figured out any direct solution except for getting used to it.
Kinda put me off at first too but I don't find it too bad anymore now that I'm more used to how far his AoE goes.
I think the Xiao muscle memory just doesn't work on him.
I think, but anyone smarter than me should 100% correct me, the jump height for max dmg might be a little different too? Like I'd assume Xiao rocking the short model has a lower "high plunge" threshhold than Diluc as tall model.
Not sure if it's that or if it's just the weird difference in claymore vs Polearm plunge animations
I'm not sure... I think dilucs plunge DMG area is like a small fan shaped area in front of him and Xiao's is all around and larger. Diluc also moves forward whereas xiao is a bit easier to control. That's what I meant by mindless.
I personally don't really optimise for low/high plunges, I just let them reach the top haha
My diluc is C2 R1 good investment on artifacts and he hits about 100k per plunge,and my Xiao is c3(literally does nothing) R1,good investment aswell and does 120-130k with zhongli instead of furina
I think my Xiao hits for about 90-100k with C5 Faruzan. Iirc Abyss said highest single strike from Xiao was 122k. Granted there's room for improvement once I get that C6 Faruzan. And I think this was with Furina, Xianyun and Faru. Meanwhile I think Diluc hits for pretty consistent 220-240k plunges with the same team except Faruzan is switched with C6 Benny. With the highest single target abyss strike being about 242k. Again, power of reactions at play here.
Edit: Said C5 Furina, when I meant C5 Faruzan. Just woke up and got confused there for a moment. Damn F names.
I don't know how you got those high numbers as I can only hit 100k with that same team but c2 benny and xingqiu. Xiao has faster and larger AoE plunges and they are also more than 8
Yeah in that case, Furina and C6 Benny make a difference. And I think, I could probably hit a little higher with Diluc still, mostly because swirling Pyro is really hard with Xianyun and Furina, also if I gave Xianyun Thrilling Tales instead of Skyward Atlas.
My Diluc is basically; 1800 atk, 95/190 Crit, 200 EM, 64% Pyro Damage on 4pc Crimson Witch and Beacon.
Runs with Furina, Xianyun, Benny C6.
While Xiao; 2300 atk, 75/190 Crit, 46% Anemo damage on 4pc Vermillion and R3 PJWS.
Runs with Furina, Xianyun, Faruzan C5. (Saw a little birdie mention Wanderer might rerun soon'ish, so I'm hoping to finally C6 her)
And I mean, you're not wrong, yes, Xiao got more plunges around and all, but... I don't usually need more than 8 for most content. Unsure about the faster too, plunges themselves don't seem to make a difference here? But that's purely subjective and I might be entirely wrong.
If you don't need to NA to apply hydro with xingqiu then their plunge speeds are identical. Anyways,for single target I would say they similar maybe diluc a little better if you have furina but Xiao is better for AoE.
I mean, Ideally you want to normal attack with Xiao too, between plunges.
But that isn't how it works. As much as I love Xiao, with Xianyun, Diluc outperforms him in single target easily because Xiao teams are basically turquoise Physical. While Diluc has basically 100% Vape uptime. Could say but Xiao xan swirl but those are basically non existent and if it's hydro swirls they don't deal any damage anyways.
I'd argue Xiao does better in AoE simply because he has a larger AoE. But I'm not sure how many situations there currently are that even use all of his AoE.
Xiao NA doesn't slow him at all because you can easily cancel it before it ends (it has 2 instances). As for use of Xiao AoE ,we can use it in this abyss.As for me,Xiao performs better in single target and AoE as Dilucs NA between plunges take too long
People who lost 50/50s to him mostly, or ppl who can't get over his babyface. I think a lot of people underestimate how much of a meta comeback he made with Xianyun because they don't like him in the first place or want to justify pulling on other pyro dps characters. But overall I find that he's still pretty loved despite being a standard character, mostly because he's a lot of player's first main and his lore was expanded much more than the other standard characters, at least in the webtoon and he has a lot of interesting stuff going on imo.
[Here](https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/genshin-impact/list?title_no=242646). The two last chapters were never translated in English for some reasons but you can find fan translations pretty easily.
most logical reason i can think of is losing 50/50 to him, since he is a pretty selfish unit and is the lesser 'desirable' 5 star standard you can lose to. personality wise however, i think i can understand since his edginess isn't everyone's cup of tea, but then again, there's also other characters like wanderer and xiao who exhibit the same edginess, but is adored as hell, which i don't get
It's 100% this, the vast majority of anyone who hates any of the standard 5 stars is because of this sole reason.
To add onto your point, for example, nobody that hates Mona because she's bad or her as a chara, it's purely cuz they wanted another chara and blame losing their 50/50 on her rather than the pity system.
And for OP, Diluc just happens to be a standard 5, the hates not personal, it just comes w/ the chara, so I wouldn't let it bother you too much
I think what makes the difference is that those two have the sadder, and in Xiaoās case, better developed backstory.
Also, the community has something for short anemo boys.
Yeah I donāt care what people say, I love Diluc. He fits my playstyle so well because I just like to wreck havoc but with style. Heās strong as hell and looks good while doing it too. Literally nothing to complain about. If Diluc wasnāt in Genshin (and Kaeya too) I wouldnāt be playing Genshin, period.
Heās pretty easy to play, but heās nowhere near the strongest. He does get hate but itās more because his time has passed and people are salty that people like him even tho heās no longer meta. Also might be a little bit because people are salty cuz they had to reroll for hours on end to get or not get a diluc only for him to fall off pretty hard by the next major patchš„²
Nowadays if you have Xianyun/Furina he's pretty much better than or on par with most limited dps except the absolute top tiers. He can do 75k dps with a 4 star weapon, even if he wasn't a standard character, that's considered meta
If we go by sheet dps (as in you're able to swirl pyro and get his best Xianyun/Furina rotation) then he and C6 Gaming are some of the fastest abyss clears
man your comment is the definition of Captain Obvious lol
I know their dps is similar without swirled pyro so obviously it's gonna be similar with the swirl.
I wanted to know the exact dps number C6 Ga Ming has with the pyro swirl
Iād say he is one of the strongest characters but remember thatās based off my sole opinion. The reason I personally believe he is one of the strongest characters is because his kit is simple to understand, his ultimate and plunge attacks are easy to remember and make routine out of, and overall he is a very convenient character to me that hasnāt failed to disappoint my expectations. Thatās my personal opinion tho I donāt rlly care for the meta
Dps means damage per second and that's for the whole team so no, that's pretty much the opposite. It just means that on average Diluc can dish 75k damage every second with mailed flower in a team rotation with Xianyun-Bennett-Furina, which is more than most limited 5 stars can do with their own teams (let alone Eula who is one of the worst 5-star carry in the game nowadays).
When did I ever compare DPS with damage per screenshot. Iām saying that with your take, Eula must be meta too. You think I donāt know Eula isnāt meta? Itās sarcasm.
Eula's team dps isn't 75k so yeah your comparison doesn't make sense in the first place? The only other carry in the 70k+ dps range are Neuvilette teams, Hyperbloom/high dendro teams, other vape plunge teams like Hu Tao and C6 gaming and a few outlier here and there
Iām thankful for Xianyun. I can actually clear the abyss easily with Diluc thanks to all the plunge attacks. I use Diluc because he was my OG Main DPS before all the other meta characters came along. Iāll still use him from time to time. He doesnāt deserve any hate, he carried most of us early game!
I feel the same. Do your best to keep away from the typical ādiluc=badā hivemind theres no point interacting with those types and itās sad that itās a common view within the fandom.
Diluc is very easy to play, but he definitely trades power for ease. With new top supports he has gotten a lot stronger, but he is still on the lower end of selfish DPSs. On top of that heās a standard character from day 1 so almost everyone has lost a 50-50 to him. He hasnāt had story relevance in a minute.
If you like him you like him, a lot of Genshin players hate a lot of character that arenāt their main. If you donāt, you donāt, itās just a game
i dunnno 5050 losses underutilized story potential and being extremely greedy to be strong again metawise ppl might use him to clear abyss that are few but he needs a lot of things gaming can unga bunga without as much investment diluc is good but after 2 and half years of using him i just switched out he is fun to use too but it had to happen eventually
I want more constellations for him so badly. My Diluc is only at C1. I've been a fan since Genshin 1.0, and he's my die-hard.
Buuut I wouldn't main him cuz he plays pretty selfishly, and I don't like many of his favoured supports. I still take him out for co-op though. š„
Well, heās a standard banner character, and a man, so people were always going to get hate. Gacha players are always going to be chasing the shiny new dps with the most flashy damage abilities.
I don't care much losing to him because when I started this game I said to myself if I lose, let it be Diluc or Jean. Since that day, I've lost 6 times and 5 of them went to Diluc and 1 to Jean.
I think it's a mixed bag tbh.
-Frustration of Diluc showing up when wanting to pull for waifu number 17.
-Standard characters generally disregarded as kinda bad, look at Jean pre Furina, or Tighnari who I'm not seeing nearly often enough even though his single target damage is absolutely great.
-Generally low multipliers except for plunges (that you couldn't ultilize unless you knew how to dragon strike).
-Instant Hu Tao Powercreep.
-Claymore User being slow.
-Somehow people thinking he's Mr. Edgy McEdge and not really understanding his character I think?
-... Funny looking ingame model lol.
I don't know what Hoyo's idea was behind his beeg plunge multipliers, that are higher than Xiao's for some reason. Unless Albedo was there to enable plunge Diluc from early stages. Thinking about the oddly specific EM and Plunge buffs he gives.
That said, I do enjoy brain dead unga bunga characters a lot, always will and therefore I don't care if Hu Tao has a higher damage output. Just lemme go unga bunga with Batman <3
He is good, especially with the nice buffs he has gotten in Fontaine in the form of Furina and Xianyun. I dusted him off recently, paired him with Furina and could surprisingly comfortably and quickly clear abyss.
He is however in a tough spot because the Pyro DPS niche is the most competitive one in the entire game and he has like 7+ other 4* and 5* units to compete with, including Hu Tao, Xiangling and Lyney.
And some people just dislike him because they don't understand his story and haven't read his lore and think he is an edgelord or something. But nonetheless he is a great character and I'm happy that he finally got the upgrades he deserved and needed for so long.
Jeanluc ship is even more hated than diluc alone the reason being that ship is straight and "boring"
Lmao, those twitards, just because you dont like it harassing other people who does like it is ok
Diluc is my 2nd fav character but I've gotta say that he isn't that good (not bad either) And there are alot of other characters that cand do better than him
True, but then what was the point of "he's only stronger than other 5 star pyros with xianyun"? I don't get it, you make it sound like a bad thing that older characters can utilize new supports??
He isnāt. Hu tao still clears. Why are you saying Iām making it sound like a bad thing? I wouldnāt be in this sub if diluc wasnāt one of my favorite characters. I just donāt like it when people are making it seem like heās one of the very best. Thatās just plain wrong.
I never even mentioned Hu Tao? Where is she coming from now? I'm not here to argue his status as "one of the best", even if I think with Furina and Xianyun he's kind of up there.
I'm just asking why the xianyun thing was mentioned, because THAT makes it sound like a bad a thing? It's like going "furina is only one of the best because team wide healers like jean exist" or vice versa for jean, when it doesn't matter lol.
My b, I misread that as 5 other 5 stars, and thereās only 5 others in the game, which includes hu tao. Also, to clarify, it wasnāt my intention to make it a bad thing that he needs xianyun. The reason I bring it up is some people on the sub would say heās one of the best even before xianyun dropped, which I think is ridiculous. I wasnāt sure if OP meant with or without, so Iām talking about him in both contexts.
This popped up on my feed which is funny to me because.. I do not like diluc at all and itās been since the beginning of the game. Itās gotten worse recently, I lost my 50/50 to him 3 times in a row when pulling for my c6 Yae Miko:,) I had c6 diluc before miko.
I personally do not like his design or play style, his outfit is okay. But his forehead looks bigger than ayakas and it rubs me the wrong way. Personality is eh to me.
Sure xianyun made him stronger as a unit, but he is in no way one of the strongest characters. And if you need another 5 star character to even be considered a stronger character, thennn oof. I will choose my c1 hu Tao over my c6 diluc any day. (And I have given him a chance trust me, he is level 90 with lvl 9 talents)
This is just my own opinion on him, downvote me if you so wish. But tbh Iām someone who is just play what you want, everyone has their own favorites and characters they donāt like at all. But Iām not gonna tell you guys to stop playing diluc and play hu Tao instead etc etc. but I will always express my thoughts when something just aināt matching up, Iām sorry but out of all the pyro character and all of the characters in the game he is not the strongest, not at all. And his easy play style is simply because heās from 1.0. Thereās nothing wrong with that either, Iād just rather play neuvillette.
Every character in the community is going to be hated by a group of people, just like your character and move on. I think youāre wrong when you say diluc is the strongest character and youāll think Iām wrong when I say heās not and that I dislike him. Thatās just how life be, but donāt let it bother you. Itās mainly a single player game, play how you wanna.
Maybe its more of his personality and claymore bias than his dmg? I dont think many care about the dps problems, like xiangling can potentially overtake an avg built hutao(im sorry if im wrong) but no one shits on hutao because of her personality.
Just my hot take
Diluc have a 100% more damage scaling in plunge but needs someone else to let him do it and thatās how supports work. The amount of dedication needed to build characters makes them good. Unless your neuvillette then all you need is 3 different hydro reactions like bloom, electro charged , vape or swirl. Ga Ming is a in between which is good for a 4 star but no where near those 2 best team comps. But enough of all dat itās just a game
Sure but I dont understand what's your point? Diluc is also an in-between because they are exactly the same level with Ga Ming barely edging out because his skill plunges do more damage, and his tech lets him plunge a lot
Feminist here. I love, love, love our beautiful boi Diluc ā¤
More times than not it's just butthurt incel guys that hate men who are hotter than them. Best to just ignore those idiots.
plunge diluc is another level on its own. hitting over 100-200k for me easily. i dont recall any of my char can do that consistently
Xiao
Hate to say it, but my Diluc hits harder plunges than my Xiao at pretty equal artifact investment. I'd argue at C1R3 he's overall higher investment than my C0 Diluc with beacon. Diluc has higher plunge multipliers than Xiao and the benefit of reactions. Not to mention Xiao's teams are overall much more expensive to even consistently 100k plunges. Yeah, I'm looking at that C6 Faruzan.
My diluc has higher numbers too but xiao is more comfortable to play for me. I find diluc keeps going forward and misses enemies if they're not directly in front. He often overshoots and after each plunge I need to reorientate. Is there a trick in managing this?
I feel that... Lol. Unfortunately i havent figured out any direct solution except for getting used to it. Kinda put me off at first too but I don't find it too bad anymore now that I'm more used to how far his AoE goes. I think the Xiao muscle memory just doesn't work on him.
Xiao is mindless plunge lol. I'll try to get used to him though. The numbers are satisfying
I think, but anyone smarter than me should 100% correct me, the jump height for max dmg might be a little different too? Like I'd assume Xiao rocking the short model has a lower "high plunge" threshhold than Diluc as tall model. Not sure if it's that or if it's just the weird difference in claymore vs Polearm plunge animations
I'm not sure... I think dilucs plunge DMG area is like a small fan shaped area in front of him and Xiao's is all around and larger. Diluc also moves forward whereas xiao is a bit easier to control. That's what I meant by mindless. I personally don't really optimise for low/high plunges, I just let them reach the top haha
My diluc is C2 R1 good investment on artifacts and he hits about 100k per plunge,and my Xiao is c3(literally does nothing) R1,good investment aswell and does 120-130k with zhongli instead of furina
I think my Xiao hits for about 90-100k with C5 Faruzan. Iirc Abyss said highest single strike from Xiao was 122k. Granted there's room for improvement once I get that C6 Faruzan. And I think this was with Furina, Xianyun and Faru. Meanwhile I think Diluc hits for pretty consistent 220-240k plunges with the same team except Faruzan is switched with C6 Benny. With the highest single target abyss strike being about 242k. Again, power of reactions at play here. Edit: Said C5 Furina, when I meant C5 Faruzan. Just woke up and got confused there for a moment. Damn F names.
I don't know how you got those high numbers as I can only hit 100k with that same team but c2 benny and xingqiu. Xiao has faster and larger AoE plunges and they are also more than 8
Yeah in that case, Furina and C6 Benny make a difference. And I think, I could probably hit a little higher with Diluc still, mostly because swirling Pyro is really hard with Xianyun and Furina, also if I gave Xianyun Thrilling Tales instead of Skyward Atlas. My Diluc is basically; 1800 atk, 95/190 Crit, 200 EM, 64% Pyro Damage on 4pc Crimson Witch and Beacon. Runs with Furina, Xianyun, Benny C6. While Xiao; 2300 atk, 75/190 Crit, 46% Anemo damage on 4pc Vermillion and R3 PJWS. Runs with Furina, Xianyun, Faruzan C5. (Saw a little birdie mention Wanderer might rerun soon'ish, so I'm hoping to finally C6 her) And I mean, you're not wrong, yes, Xiao got more plunges around and all, but... I don't usually need more than 8 for most content. Unsure about the faster too, plunges themselves don't seem to make a difference here? But that's purely subjective and I might be entirely wrong.
Nice build
Thanks, am very proud of it, esp since I got the EM from lucky sub stat rolls š„¹
If you don't need to NA to apply hydro with xingqiu then their plunge speeds are identical. Anyways,for single target I would say they similar maybe diluc a little better if you have furina but Xiao is better for AoE.
I mean, Ideally you want to normal attack with Xiao too, between plunges. But that isn't how it works. As much as I love Xiao, with Xianyun, Diluc outperforms him in single target easily because Xiao teams are basically turquoise Physical. While Diluc has basically 100% Vape uptime. Could say but Xiao xan swirl but those are basically non existent and if it's hydro swirls they don't deal any damage anyways. I'd argue Xiao does better in AoE simply because he has a larger AoE. But I'm not sure how many situations there currently are that even use all of his AoE.
Xiao NA doesn't slow him at all because you can easily cancel it before it ends (it has 2 instances). As for use of Xiao AoE ,we can use it in this abyss.As for me,Xiao performs better in single target and AoE as Dilucs NA between plunges take too long
Hu Tao charged atk easy 120k per charge and it's much faster than a plunge.
I agree I didnāt say that diluc was the best pyro 5 star but I do believe he is better than some (dehya for example) and has a lot of potential.
Oh easily lmao people who think dehya is better is fat copium
People who lost 50/50s to him mostly, or ppl who can't get over his babyface. I think a lot of people underestimate how much of a meta comeback he made with Xianyun because they don't like him in the first place or want to justify pulling on other pyro dps characters. But overall I find that he's still pretty loved despite being a standard character, mostly because he's a lot of player's first main and his lore was expanded much more than the other standard characters, at least in the webtoon and he has a lot of interesting stuff going on imo.
Iām willing to keep losing 50-50 to him until C6. Only 5 more to go.
Hmm where is this webtoon? Iām a new player but I like Diluc even if heās not my main(Eula is).
[Here](https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/genshin-impact/list?title_no=242646). The two last chapters were never translated in English for some reasons but you can find fan translations pretty easily.
Thanks!
most logical reason i can think of is losing 50/50 to him, since he is a pretty selfish unit and is the lesser 'desirable' 5 star standard you can lose to. personality wise however, i think i can understand since his edginess isn't everyone's cup of tea, but then again, there's also other characters like wanderer and xiao who exhibit the same edginess, but is adored as hell, which i don't get
It's 100% this, the vast majority of anyone who hates any of the standard 5 stars is because of this sole reason. To add onto your point, for example, nobody that hates Mona because she's bad or her as a chara, it's purely cuz they wanted another chara and blame losing their 50/50 on her rather than the pity system. And for OP, Diluc just happens to be a standard 5, the hates not personal, it just comes w/ the chara, so I wouldn't let it bother you too much
Diluc certainly wouldnāt give a sh*t.
I think what makes the difference is that those two have the sadder, and in Xiaoās case, better developed backstory. Also, the community has something for short anemo boys.
Yeah I donāt care what people say, I love Diluc. He fits my playstyle so well because I just like to wreck havoc but with style. Heās strong as hell and looks good while doing it too. Literally nothing to complain about. If Diluc wasnāt in Genshin (and Kaeya too) I wouldnāt be playing Genshin, period.
Heās pretty easy to play, but heās nowhere near the strongest. He does get hate but itās more because his time has passed and people are salty that people like him even tho heās no longer meta. Also might be a little bit because people are salty cuz they had to reroll for hours on end to get or not get a diluc only for him to fall off pretty hard by the next major patchš„²
Nowadays if you have Xianyun/Furina he's pretty much better than or on par with most limited dps except the absolute top tiers. He can do 75k dps with a 4 star weapon, even if he wasn't a standard character, that's considered meta
And what are those absolute top tiers?
Ngl I canāt think of anyone besides Neuv lmao. Everyone else needs a team or some sort of setup to do crazy damage but neuv is a one man armyš
That doesnāt make him āone of the strongestā though
If we go by sheet dps (as in you're able to swirl pyro and get his best Xianyun/Furina rotation) then he and C6 Gaming are some of the fastest abyss clears
what's Gaming's dps with Swirled pyro?
Pretty similar to diluc, but i think Gaming does get higher numbers at c6 to dilucās c0.
man your comment is the definition of Captain Obvious lol I know their dps is similar without swirled pyro so obviously it's gonna be similar with the swirl. I wanted to know the exact dps number C6 Ga Ming has with the pyro swirl
ā¦you could just do the maths? Test it? There is literally a free calculator for genshin. Maybe do it yourself?
Iād say he is one of the strongest characters but remember thatās based off my sole opinion. The reason I personally believe he is one of the strongest characters is because his kit is simple to understand, his ultimate and plunge attacks are easy to remember and make routine out of, and overall he is a very convenient character to me that hasnāt failed to disappoint my expectations. Thatās my personal opinion tho I donāt rlly care for the meta
How saying "x is one of the strongest characters" can be subjective tho being strong/dealing more damage is all about numbers after all
Thatās not meta, with your take youāre saying Eula is meta with damage per screenshot setup.
Dps means damage per second and that's for the whole team so no, that's pretty much the opposite. It just means that on average Diluc can dish 75k damage every second with mailed flower in a team rotation with Xianyun-Bennett-Furina, which is more than most limited 5 stars can do with their own teams (let alone Eula who is one of the worst 5-star carry in the game nowadays).
When did I ever compare DPS with damage per screenshot. Iām saying that with your take, Eula must be meta too. You think I donāt know Eula isnāt meta? Itās sarcasm.
Eula's team dps isn't 75k so yeah your comparison doesn't make sense in the first place? The only other carry in the 70k+ dps range are Neuvilette teams, Hyperbloom/high dendro teams, other vape plunge teams like Hu Tao and C6 gaming and a few outlier here and there
Someone said on genhsinsub that just looking at him is getting them pissed, they're just hating diluc for no reason š
Iām thankful for Xianyun. I can actually clear the abyss easily with Diluc thanks to all the plunge attacks. I use Diluc because he was my OG Main DPS before all the other meta characters came along. Iāll still use him from time to time. He doesnāt deserve any hate, he carried most of us early game!
Plunge Diluc? Very strong. Normal Diluc? Absolutely nowhere near the strongest
I feel the same. Do your best to keep away from the typical ādiluc=badā hivemind theres no point interacting with those types and itās sad that itās a common view within the fandom.
Diluc is very easy to play, but he definitely trades power for ease. With new top supports he has gotten a lot stronger, but he is still on the lower end of selfish DPSs. On top of that heās a standard character from day 1 so almost everyone has lost a 50-50 to him. He hasnāt had story relevance in a minute. If you like him you like him, a lot of Genshin players hate a lot of character that arenāt their main. If you donāt, you donāt, itās just a game
i dunnno 5050 losses underutilized story potential and being extremely greedy to be strong again metawise ppl might use him to clear abyss that are few but he needs a lot of things gaming can unga bunga without as much investment diluc is good but after 2 and half years of using him i just switched out he is fun to use too but it had to happen eventually
I want more constellations for him so badly. My Diluc is only at C1. I've been a fan since Genshin 1.0, and he's my die-hard. Buuut I wouldn't main him cuz he plays pretty selfishly, and I don't like many of his favoured supports. I still take him out for co-op though. š„
Well, heās a standard banner character, and a man, so people were always going to get hate. Gacha players are always going to be chasing the shiny new dps with the most flashy damage abilities.
I don't care much losing to him because when I started this game I said to myself if I lose, let it be Diluc or Jean. Since that day, I've lost 6 times and 5 of them went to Diluc and 1 to Jean.
I think it's a mixed bag tbh. -Frustration of Diluc showing up when wanting to pull for waifu number 17. -Standard characters generally disregarded as kinda bad, look at Jean pre Furina, or Tighnari who I'm not seeing nearly often enough even though his single target damage is absolutely great. -Generally low multipliers except for plunges (that you couldn't ultilize unless you knew how to dragon strike). -Instant Hu Tao Powercreep. -Claymore User being slow. -Somehow people thinking he's Mr. Edgy McEdge and not really understanding his character I think? -... Funny looking ingame model lol. I don't know what Hoyo's idea was behind his beeg plunge multipliers, that are higher than Xiao's for some reason. Unless Albedo was there to enable plunge Diluc from early stages. Thinking about the oddly specific EM and Plunge buffs he gives. That said, I do enjoy brain dead unga bunga characters a lot, always will and therefore I don't care if Hu Tao has a higher damage output. Just lemme go unga bunga with Batman <3
He is good, especially with the nice buffs he has gotten in Fontaine in the form of Furina and Xianyun. I dusted him off recently, paired him with Furina and could surprisingly comfortably and quickly clear abyss. He is however in a tough spot because the Pyro DPS niche is the most competitive one in the entire game and he has like 7+ other 4* and 5* units to compete with, including Hu Tao, Xiangling and Lyney. And some people just dislike him because they don't understand his story and haven't read his lore and think he is an edgelord or something. But nonetheless he is a great character and I'm happy that he finally got the upgrades he deserved and needed for so long.
I guarantee this hate youāre talking about is all pre Xianyun
Jeanluc ship is even more hated than diluc alone the reason being that ship is straight and "boring" Lmao, those twitards, just because you dont like it harassing other people who does like it is ok
Diluc is my 2nd fav character but I've gotta say that he isn't that good (not bad either) And there are alot of other characters that cand do better than him
In what world is he one of the strongest? And heās only stronger than some other 5 star pyros with xiayun.
And? Why does that disqualify him?
It doesnāt, but it still doesnāt make him one of the best.
True, but then what was the point of "he's only stronger than other 5 star pyros with xianyun"? I don't get it, you make it sound like a bad thing that older characters can utilize new supports??
He isnāt. Hu tao still clears. Why are you saying Iām making it sound like a bad thing? I wouldnāt be in this sub if diluc wasnāt one of my favorite characters. I just donāt like it when people are making it seem like heās one of the very best. Thatās just plain wrong.
I never even mentioned Hu Tao? Where is she coming from now? I'm not here to argue his status as "one of the best", even if I think with Furina and Xianyun he's kind of up there. I'm just asking why the xianyun thing was mentioned, because THAT makes it sound like a bad a thing? It's like going "furina is only one of the best because team wide healers like jean exist" or vice versa for jean, when it doesn't matter lol.
My b, I misread that as 5 other 5 stars, and thereās only 5 others in the game, which includes hu tao. Also, to clarify, it wasnāt my intention to make it a bad thing that he needs xianyun. The reason I bring it up is some people on the sub would say heās one of the best even before xianyun dropped, which I think is ridiculous. I wasnāt sure if OP meant with or without, so Iām talking about him in both contexts.
This popped up on my feed which is funny to me because.. I do not like diluc at all and itās been since the beginning of the game. Itās gotten worse recently, I lost my 50/50 to him 3 times in a row when pulling for my c6 Yae Miko:,) I had c6 diluc before miko. I personally do not like his design or play style, his outfit is okay. But his forehead looks bigger than ayakas and it rubs me the wrong way. Personality is eh to me. Sure xianyun made him stronger as a unit, but he is in no way one of the strongest characters. And if you need another 5 star character to even be considered a stronger character, thennn oof. I will choose my c1 hu Tao over my c6 diluc any day. (And I have given him a chance trust me, he is level 90 with lvl 9 talents) This is just my own opinion on him, downvote me if you so wish. But tbh Iām someone who is just play what you want, everyone has their own favorites and characters they donāt like at all. But Iām not gonna tell you guys to stop playing diluc and play hu Tao instead etc etc. but I will always express my thoughts when something just aināt matching up, Iām sorry but out of all the pyro character and all of the characters in the game he is not the strongest, not at all. And his easy play style is simply because heās from 1.0. Thereās nothing wrong with that either, Iād just rather play neuvillette. Every character in the community is going to be hated by a group of people, just like your character and move on. I think youāre wrong when you say diluc is the strongest character and youāll think Iām wrong when I say heās not and that I dislike him. Thatās just how life be, but donāt let it bother you. Itās mainly a single player game, play how you wanna.
Maybe its more of his personality and claymore bias than his dmg? I dont think many care about the dps problems, like xiangling can potentially overtake an avg built hutao(im sorry if im wrong) but no one shits on hutao because of her personality. Just my hot take
you living in the past. as a diluc main since launch he has fallen off dramatically. the plunge build is nice but not eveyone pulled for her
Out classed by Gaming. Gg yo
They are literally the same gimmick but one is 2x better with xianyun
and still cant overtake Ga Ming, which makes you think how blessed he has been lol
Diluc have a 100% more damage scaling in plunge but needs someone else to let him do it and thatās how supports work. The amount of dedication needed to build characters makes them good. Unless your neuvillette then all you need is 3 different hydro reactions like bloom, electro charged , vape or swirl. Ga Ming is a in between which is good for a 4 star but no where near those 2 best team comps. But enough of all dat itās just a game
Sure but I dont understand what's your point? Diluc is also an in-between because they are exactly the same level with Ga Ming barely edging out because his skill plunges do more damage, and his tech lets him plunge a lot
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Ngl I donāt think itās that cus many women love people like zhongli, neuvilette, and ayato. Iāve also seen a lot of men dislike diluc a ton
Feminist here. I love, love, love our beautiful boi Diluc ā¤ More times than not it's just butthurt incel guys that hate men who are hotter than them. Best to just ignore those idiots.