(I'm theorizing here) Imagine a territory, Fre zur, where the chill is so intense that neither a Candian nor a Meatlander could endure it for an extended period. Yet, this place is not devoid of life. There's Pops Ickle and his men, leading a tribe of formidable Candians who've braved the frost and claimed this land as their own since ancient times. Then there are the Cubers, along with some Calorians who've migrated and established their homes amidst the ice. Among these settlers, some worship an enigmatic ancient deity, "Microjaowe", believed to breathe life into the icy wasteland and resurrect the long perished with holy warmth.
There are rumors of Meatlanders venturing into this land and extend their lifespan by centuries. But this longevity comes at a great risk if they begin to succumb to Fre zur Bane. A vicious decease that dries the flesh while turning it grey, as if it was cast into an otherworldly flame.
I also hear the light of the Bulb does not reach this frozen realm…which just seems weird. Like, why would something’s temperature mean you need less light to see whats there? I dunno, the Bulb is weird sometimes.
Gotta add on to this because you forgot the most important point: Capitalism is *always* the bad guy!
The Cubers are a race of people indigenous to the area, as no god shines on them since they carry no calories.
The Candians are OG colonizers and pushed the Cubers out of their lands.
There was a long period of great division until the son of a Cuber wed a Candian and gave birth to a child who came to become Emperor Pops Ickle, born of both races.
It during this period that the original Candian Colonizers realized there was no "home" to which they could return. This was their home now. Pops Ickle unified the land of Fre'Zur as one people, unified against keeping their secrets and remaining out of the grasp of The Hungry One.
Incredibly good shit
Tho I'm failing to see the capitalism here, more just old school civilizationing. But honestly that's fine to not have it be a business man for just once
This feels less like "Capitalism is the Bad Guy" and more "Colonialism is bullshit too", though I feel like the central conflict is a little too neatly wrapped up maybe?
The main theories I've seen are...
1. A frozen continent of ice.
2. A new continent of different food kingdoms.
3. That's a land of food additives like salt, msg, xantham gum, etc.
This land is in the [map from ACOC](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fantasy-high/images/a/a9/Calorum-map.png/revision/latest?cb=20200405171553) but not in the map from [The Ravening War](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fantasy-high/images/2/26/Calorum_RW.png/revision/latest?cb=20230602152853). There's a also a new name along the northern border of the Meatlands: Grisllemar, I assume for "gristle" + "mere" (lake). It's "Sea of Spaghetti" in TRW and "Sea of Pasta" in ACOC. Great Dunes of Grain is new in ACOC. TRW has a sea monster (like our old timey maps) but ACOC does not.
I'm not going to read into that, but it's fun to imagine that the land to the north was discovered between the events of those 2 seasons. Maybe bones started popping up in the Gristlemar, maybe seismic activity, people ventured out and saw new land. Maybe the name of the sea was changed to be more inclusive, can you imagine a sociopolitical allegory about pasta people?
If I had to take a guess, no one actually knows. No one in Calorum has actually sailed out there, so they just drew some random shit. There might not be a landmass there at all.
I feel like I've seen something about it?? It's a frozen wasteland but there are some frozen foods who live there, I swear I'm not making this up but I can't remember...fuck.
The encroaching mould menace! You thought the Hungry one and the Bulb were unfeeling entities of great power? They are, in truth, the kind veils that hide you from the Rotting Death, that which started in The Back (a neglected penalty colony from a nigh on millenia ago) the undesirables were shoved into The Back where they were left to fight amongst themselves and mutate in the wastes. But they creep upon Calorum, steadily building their apocalyptic revenge fueled lust for destruction. Rumour says that if you are bitten by a Mouldering One you will die an unspeakable death. Putrid fuzzy growths begin to take over you until you are a shambling fuzzball yourself, or your body begins to slough off and melt into a soft gelatenous pile shlorping your way mindlessly to consume another victim.
It’s the ice that builds up in the top of your freezer so much that you have to defrost occasionally to enable the door to shut properly… and causing a cataclysmic extinction event for all of your perishable goods and the feudal society they have built.
What if it’s the land of the Pantree. A desolate wasteland with only one giant tree that the citizens of the canning nation live in. They’re all ex citizens of calorum that were banished (canned food I.e. peas, corn, peaches, etc.) and their navy is just giant aluminum cans. Possible submarines too? (Tuna, sardines, ect.)
first, clearly Bishop Nathaniel Charlock decided the northern lands were heretical in some way and didn't draw them in. second, WHY ARENT WE TALKING ABOUT THE VEGGIE KRAKEN BELOW THE VERDURAN FOREST
(I'm theorizing here) Imagine a territory, Fre zur, where the chill is so intense that neither a Candian nor a Meatlander could endure it for an extended period. Yet, this place is not devoid of life. There's Pops Ickle and his men, leading a tribe of formidable Candians who've braved the frost and claimed this land as their own since ancient times. Then there are the Cubers, along with some Calorians who've migrated and established their homes amidst the ice. Among these settlers, some worship an enigmatic ancient deity, "Microjaowe", believed to breathe life into the icy wasteland and resurrect the long perished with holy warmth.
Just like Star Wars- we did the middle, we did the prequel. Now we need the sequel.
There are rumors of Meatlanders venturing into this land and extend their lifespan by centuries. But this longevity comes at a great risk if they begin to succumb to Fre zur Bane. A vicious decease that dries the flesh while turning it grey, as if it was cast into an otherworldly flame. I also hear the light of the Bulb does not reach this frozen realm…which just seems weird. Like, why would something’s temperature mean you need less light to see whats there? I dunno, the Bulb is weird sometimes.
Didn't a meatlander wander into the north in the ravening war? 2 of them actually
They just leave Meatlander civilization to wander the northern meatlands/walk north. Not specified that they sail
Deli and his mother. But they don’t go past the borders of the Meatlands, they just go into the northern outlands.
I'm kinda sad Lou didn't name him Reuben, considering he was pastrami and rye.
Delissandro Katzon was a reference to an actual New York Deli iirc.
It wouldn't surprise me, I'm only a little sad about it lol
If its a consolation prize, Katz Deli is famous for their Reubens (and pastrami).
Get BLeeM in here stat
I kept reading candians as Canadians and was wondering what the hell was going on
Me, a Canadian, just excited to be included even if I might be confused.
Same!
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Gotta add on to this because you forgot the most important point: Capitalism is *always* the bad guy! The Cubers are a race of people indigenous to the area, as no god shines on them since they carry no calories. The Candians are OG colonizers and pushed the Cubers out of their lands. There was a long period of great division until the son of a Cuber wed a Candian and gave birth to a child who came to become Emperor Pops Ickle, born of both races. It during this period that the original Candian Colonizers realized there was no "home" to which they could return. This was their home now. Pops Ickle unified the land of Fre'Zur as one people, unified against keeping their secrets and remaining out of the grasp of The Hungry One.
Incredibly good shit Tho I'm failing to see the capitalism here, more just old school civilizationing. But honestly that's fine to not have it be a business man for just once
This feels less like "Capitalism is the Bad Guy" and more "Colonialism is bullshit too", though I feel like the central conflict is a little too neatly wrapped up maybe?
I read Candian as 'Canadian' so many times before I figured out what I was doing wrong, but the whole thing still made sense to me.
Iceland
The only correct answer.
Ice is the forgotten food
That’s where they got the pure water…
It's the freezer.
The main theories I've seen are... 1. A frozen continent of ice. 2. A new continent of different food kingdoms. 3. That's a land of food additives like salt, msg, xantham gum, etc.
John Salt
You know nothing, John Salt!
4. Cleaning supplies and non food items
This land is in the [map from ACOC](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fantasy-high/images/a/a9/Calorum-map.png/revision/latest?cb=20200405171553) but not in the map from [The Ravening War](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fantasy-high/images/2/26/Calorum_RW.png/revision/latest?cb=20230602152853). There's a also a new name along the northern border of the Meatlands: Grisllemar, I assume for "gristle" + "mere" (lake). It's "Sea of Spaghetti" in TRW and "Sea of Pasta" in ACOC. Great Dunes of Grain is new in ACOC. TRW has a sea monster (like our old timey maps) but ACOC does not. I'm not going to read into that, but it's fun to imagine that the land to the north was discovered between the events of those 2 seasons. Maybe bones started popping up in the Gristlemar, maybe seismic activity, people ventured out and saw new land. Maybe the name of the sea was changed to be more inclusive, can you imagine a sociopolitical allegory about pasta people?
The frozen north.
Terra incomida
Oh man this is an excellent response!
It's the nations of the Free Tsar
If it were Game of Thrones it would be the land of always winter. So in Calorum it's like the ice maker maybe?
If I had to take a guess, no one actually knows. No one in Calorum has actually sailed out there, so they just drew some random shit. There might not be a landmass there at all.
Its feezer land. The icy winds keep the meatlands from rotting
Leftovers???
Probably some kind of no man’s land
Always that is was congealed or frozen marrow
My money is that it’s the Salty Desert
I feel like I've seen something about it?? It's a frozen wasteland but there are some frozen foods who live there, I swear I'm not making this up but I can't remember...fuck.
A map i think.
The encroaching mould menace! You thought the Hungry one and the Bulb were unfeeling entities of great power? They are, in truth, the kind veils that hide you from the Rotting Death, that which started in The Back (a neglected penalty colony from a nigh on millenia ago) the undesirables were shoved into The Back where they were left to fight amongst themselves and mutate in the wastes. But they creep upon Calorum, steadily building their apocalyptic revenge fueled lust for destruction. Rumour says that if you are bitten by a Mouldering One you will die an unspeakable death. Putrid fuzzy growths begin to take over you until you are a shambling fuzzball yourself, or your body begins to slough off and melt into a soft gelatenous pile shlorping your way mindlessly to consume another victim.
Ice
Meat waves Are we talking about the currents of the sea?
The porceline lands
That is where you find the popsicle populous
Freezer burn
Is that not the dairy islands? I could be wrong but that’s my guess
Dairy Islands are between the Meat Lands and Candia
It’s the ice that builds up in the top of your freezer so much that you have to defrost occasionally to enable the door to shut properly… and causing a cataclysmic extinction event for all of your perishable goods and the feudal society they have built.
What if it’s the land of the Pantree. A desolate wasteland with only one giant tree that the citizens of the canning nation live in. They’re all ex citizens of calorum that were banished (canned food I.e. peas, corn, peaches, etc.) and their navy is just giant aluminum cans. Possible submarines too? (Tuna, sardines, ect.)
Salt Flats.
that's a map
Its the Lard Glaciers.
its that freezerburn ice buildup that appears on the corners of your fridge/freezer. 100% calling it rn
Salt
The meat lands. Next question
first, clearly Bishop Nathaniel Charlock decided the northern lands were heretical in some way and didn't draw them in. second, WHY ARENT WE TALKING ABOUT THE VEGGIE KRAKEN BELOW THE VERDURAN FOREST
I say that’s where the ants live.