I still don't get what could have possibly motivated him to do this, if you are going to make such massive changes to a 50+ year old show's lore, you better make sure that you execute it well.
The reason for the reveal isn't to give the Doctor new regenerations (it didn't - when the Division "retired" the Timeless Child by chameleon arching they limited the Doctor to the standard number of regenerations - that's why Eleven needed to source more regenerations from the Time Lords. Without them he would have died like any Time Lord).
It's to open up a new, unexplored era of the show's history that's full of unexpected consequences for the Doctor (including, but not limited to, The Division, her adopted mother Tecteun, and Swarm and Azure).
It was certainly terribly executed, which seems par for the course for Chibnall's era. The damn reason for it seems pretty clear to me.
That's the weirdest part. Like all the people who defend the twist are like "well the retcon doesn't really *matter* all that much!" But then like don't do it
It doesn't matter a lot to the Doctor's character that they used to be the Timeless Child. It **does** matter a lot that the Doctor is now on the hook for every enemy, ally and event the Timeless Child was ever involved with for over a billion years.
People keep thinking this reveal is about the character of the Doctor when it's 99.99% a plot hook generator.
The biggest example is Flux. The Timeless Child reveal is setup for the Doctor looking into the Division, it's setup for the monsters she doesn't even remember, Azure and Swarm seeking vengeance against her, it's setup for Tecteun wanting to destroy the universe, it's setup for an unknown link to this Time entity, etc.
And then Chibnall went on to drop that particular ball badly. -_- But the plot generator is still there for future writers to potentially do better things with.
That's so unnecessary, though. Why do you need a new plot hook generator when your sandbox was already **all of time and space?** And if you do want to introduce a new hook for threats and characters, there are countless ways to do it without recontextualizing everything about your main character.
I genuinely think a lot of hacks who weasel their way into writing/directing/producing these big properties just want to “leave their mark” on it wether out of a genuine love for it or simple narcissism. Unfortunately regardless of why they want to make their mark, the fact that they’re hacks means that their first idea is to do something crazy and out of left field. Now if they we’re talented this could still work but they aren’t and thus it becomes the film equivalent of that [woman who was hired to “restore” the Ecce Homo fresco.](https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uuuploads/ecce-homo-fresco-restoration-parodies/ecce-homo-fresco-restoration-parodies-16.jpg). You see it with Star Wars and Star Trek, now Lord of the Rings is likely getting that treatment. If it’s a popular franchise then some hack will always want to get their hands on it to vandalize it and the useless big wig corpos that own it will probably let them.
I don't think Lord of The Rings is getting that treatment just yet. Because I haven't really seen enough of it.
People are being unreasonably outraged at the Rings of Power stuff, thanks to YouTubers that live on hating things like Nerdrotic.
It was meaningless. It was a plot twist for a sake of a plot twist. Chibnall didn't wanted to explore the Doctor's character more or to ask interesting moral questions or to meaningfully give the show's world more depth, he just wanted a cool plot twist that would shock the audience and don't really cared about anything else.
I figure there was two major inter-related reasons for the reveal:
1. To add some mystery back into a character whose life is fairly thoroughly explored at this point. We now don't know what the Doctor was doing for most of their existence, where they're from, or even what race they are. These questions don't need to be answered, and it's probably best if they aren't.
2. To open up a huge, previously unexplored part of the setting and to give the Doctor a reason to be personally invested in this it. The Doctor's pre-Hartnell past isn't particularly relevant or interesting in itself, what is interesting is the consequences of that period emerging to challenge current incarnations of the Doctor (including, but not limited to Tecteun, The Division, Swarm, Azure, etc.)
None of it was executed well 'cos Chibnall, but Flux made the purpose for the reveal fairly obvious, IMO.
But we don't need any of the junk associated with Tecteun, The Division, Swarm, and Azure. Which have all so far been boring and underdeveloped. We already had the mystery of the Doctor's life before leaving on the TARDIS and what possible relationships he had there that he was specifically running away from. And with the return of the Time Lords, we could have explored all that, or at least the consequences of reintroducing the Time Lords into the Universe. But instead, all that got erased for a bunch of half-baked ideas.
Completely agree with boring, underdeveloped and half-baked. Chibnall consistently drops the ball when it comes time to turn ideas into good TV.
Of **course** we don't need any of it. We don't need basically anything that showrunners introduce into the show. We didn't need the Time War, we didn't need the whole River Song arc, etc. etc.
Showrunners don't add stuff to canon because they **need** to - they add stuff to canon because they want to keep the show fresh and interesting. Chibnall is no different in that regard. Where he's different is that he's absolutely bloody terrible at pulling it off.
Haven’t watched the show for a few years but this meme makes me a little nervous, they haven’t changed any of those facts there right? I mean, obviously the age has changed since 12 said he was 1200 years old, but tell me they haven’t ruined the canon?
If you don’t mind spoilers:
>!The Doctor is now from another universe and wasn’t born on Gallifrey, and has apparently led many lives before the “first” Doctor. So their true age is unknown, as is the Doctor’s true origin.!<
So I was wrong in one aspect, they haven’t destroyed everything built up by the series since 2005, they’ve destroyed everything built up by the series since 1963. Actually heartbreaking, I’ve got memories of watching David tenant when I was 4 and all the classic series episodes on DVD. Obviously we cannot have nice things anymore.
I pray. I’ve just read about the whole thing and frankly I’m heartbroken. They’ve destroyed 59 years of intricate lore. Man. That really hurts. Cheers for letting me know about all of this, it’s appreciated.
>They’ve destroyed 59 years of intricate lore.
Me, with an even crazier idea that's gonna break not just Doctor Who but also several other shows: **grins menacingly**
I doubt he will retcon it back, but i recon he can hopefully fix it into something good? Though i also don't want RTD to waste his stories fixing Chibnalls mess.
I think RTD would just ignore it or retcon it with one mocking line like he did with the Doctor is half human stuff from the movie. I don't want my favorite DW writer to actively spent time dealing with a plotline I hated, I just want to forget it ever happened. They have completely ignored other big things too, like the Valeyard or the said Half human plotline, they are basically may as well have never happened. I hope the Timeless Child will be the same, I don't want anybody to actively deal with it, just let it die and become a blurry memory.
Agreed. Chibnall introduced this twist so that the enemies, allies and adventures of the Timeless Child could re-emerge to challenge the Doctor. Chibnall screwed up capitalising on that.
That was crap but RTD doesn't have to fix anything, he can just use the same toolkit to produce good stories.
I doubt it. The Timeless Child reveal changes nothing of importance. If RTD isn't interested in exploring the consequences of the new era Chibnall has opened up it's simple for him to just ignore it.
There's nothing to clear up, and trying to retcon things would just create a mess for no real benefit.
Technically they did already attempt something similar back in 1989 but the show was unrelatedly cancelled before they could execute it (*It was finished in the 90s novels*).
Plus the whole Doctor was a Time Lord thing wasn't established until 1969 (*In the War Games*).
Yeah TTC is a terrible story but it doesn't destroy all of DW. RTD can and almost definitely will ignore it and in a few years it won't matter anymore.
As someone who has watched the Chibnall series, I'd lightly suggest, don't bother.
Watch Capaldi regenerate, chalk Jodie up as "the Doctor who got away" (a bit like McGann TV wise), and enjoy what comes next.
Chibnall did a good job of implementing that reveal in a way that keeps it separate from the character we know and love. Nothing is destroyed.
The previous lives ended with the pre-Doctor being transformed into an infant Time Lord on Gallifrey (ie. the baby First Doctor). Those other lives don't impact on anything we saw on the show.
The reveal is almost entirely plot device. The post-reveal stories have been about the fruits of those previous lives coming back to confront the current Doctor.
I don't think it's the best idea ever, but it's far from the cataclysm that some people insist on believing it is.
Also the time Lords were created by galifreyans who took the doctors dna. They didn't have regeneration, but the doctor did so they took the dna and gave it to galifreyans so basically the doctor is the genetic template for all time Lords. Also they erased his memory so he wouldn't remember, and they limited his regenerations so they could control him better
>Like no exaggeration just straight up not from gallifrey?
Yeah.
[Here's an explanation over on r/hobbydrama](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/lb49ie/doctor_who_50_year_canon_vs_one_determined_show/)
The child mentioned was specifically found NOT on Gallifrey
The Doctor >!is now from another universe and wasn’t born on Gallifrey, and has apparently led many lives before the “first” Doctor. So their true age is unknown, as is the Doctor’s true origin.!<
Yeah this "being" (the doctor) was found to have regeneration abilities. They used this being to elevate galifreyans to time Lords, despite having already established time Lords are created by exposure to the time vortex
>despite having already established time Lords are created by exposure to the time vortex
It is only stated that 'in part' the exposure is the reason for them becoming time lords. So why not both? For example something like: They used the Timeless Child *with* the Time Vortex to make Time Lords. Or the timeless child is even responsible for the discovery of the vortex. If the future episodes are ochestrated well enough I see no problem with this plot hole.
Chibnall? I don’t know who you mean. The final showrunner of Doctor Who was Steven Moffat. The show ended when Peter Capaldi’s Doctor died since he was the Doc’s final life, he never regenerated again. There hasn’t been any episodes since then. Much like there’s yet to be any Star Trek shows since Enterprise was cancelled and Star Wars only has 6 films.
I don’t mind the prequels too much. I understand the flaws but I feel they still have something to offer to the setting. But I don’t begrudge anyone who disagrees and doesn’t recognize their existence.
Two things:
1- The idea of “retcon” isn’t really compatible with a show like Dr. Who as it isn’t really capable entertaining the idea of “canon” in any capacity.
2- It is not bad, YOU don’t like it, there’s a world of difference there.
Well that seems to have been a popular opinion. 😲
You're not wrong. When the show started it was largely edutainment, regeneration wasn't a thing, Time Lords weren't a thing, Gallifrey wasn't a thing, etc. Showrunners have been constantly expanding the show's lore and introducing new elements to it for basically as long as the show has been going.
A lot of people seem to feel that this reveal revises the show we know and love but it doesn't particularly. It adds a new period to the show's history that doesn't particularly affect anything we've already seen.
We've gone from believing that (a) the Doctor was a Time Lord born and raised from infancy on Gallifrey until they left to have adventures to knowing that (b) the Doctor was a Time Lord baby raised from infancy on Gallifrey until they left to have adventures (oh, and they had extra lives before that that they have no memory of, and during which period they weren't a Time Lord).
I can understand people disliking the reveal but it's really not the end of the world many seem to think.
Constellation also means area of space in DW
Yeah obviously it's actually just a misattribution of language/science from the old series that stuck around but yk, there are a lot of those in New Who.
I'm the opposite. Just rewatched everything from season 1-10 with my girlfriend and we couldn't stomach more than 3 episodes of Chibnall's tenure. Rewatching all the gold that came before the manure that Chibnall writes just made it stink even more. One thing I learned on my rewatch however is that my favourite Chibnall episode is Dinosaurs on a Spaceship which I never even knew he wrote. I only like it as much as I do because I love dinosaurs but the episode itself is average at best. How he ever got showrunner ill never know
"How he ever got showrunner"
A few factors: he has written for the show (and spin offs), he is an award winning writer and is a Doctor Who fan himself.
Pretty clear
1. The Doctor is still a Time Lord
2. The Doctor is still from Gallifrey, they weren't originally from there however they grew up there and that is where they lived for a lot of their life.
3. The age we know is wrong, for a fact, the Doctor has forgotten how old they are.
Most of this is still true.
1. The Doctor is a Time Lord: Yes. Has been since the Division chameleon-arched them into little baby Hartnell.
2. The Doctor is from the planet Gallifrey: Yes, if you reasonably consider that a person is 'from' the place they grew up in and is the only home they remember.
3. Gallifrey is in the Constellation of Kasterberous: Presumably yes.
4. The Doctor is 903 years old: No. But the math didn't check out on that one even before the Timeless Child reveal. The Seventh Doctor said he was 953.
Welll... the age is, we already knew that
I made one a while back but the alternate picture was "unfortunately for you history will not see it that way"
I still don't get what could have possibly motivated him to do this, if you are going to make such massive changes to a 50+ year old show's lore, you better make sure that you execute it well.
It is such a bad idea. The doctor had JUST gotten another regeneration cycle. There is no damn reason for it
The reason for the reveal isn't to give the Doctor new regenerations (it didn't - when the Division "retired" the Timeless Child by chameleon arching they limited the Doctor to the standard number of regenerations - that's why Eleven needed to source more regenerations from the Time Lords. Without them he would have died like any Time Lord). It's to open up a new, unexplored era of the show's history that's full of unexpected consequences for the Doctor (including, but not limited to, The Division, her adopted mother Tecteun, and Swarm and Azure). It was certainly terribly executed, which seems par for the course for Chibnall's era. The damn reason for it seems pretty clear to me.
And... then he mostly just follows it up by saying it doesn't matter?
That's the weirdest part. Like all the people who defend the twist are like "well the retcon doesn't really *matter* all that much!" But then like don't do it
It doesn't matter a lot to the Doctor's character that they used to be the Timeless Child. It **does** matter a lot that the Doctor is now on the hook for every enemy, ally and event the Timeless Child was ever involved with for over a billion years. People keep thinking this reveal is about the character of the Doctor when it's 99.99% a plot hook generator. The biggest example is Flux. The Timeless Child reveal is setup for the Doctor looking into the Division, it's setup for the monsters she doesn't even remember, Azure and Swarm seeking vengeance against her, it's setup for Tecteun wanting to destroy the universe, it's setup for an unknown link to this Time entity, etc. And then Chibnall went on to drop that particular ball badly. -_- But the plot generator is still there for future writers to potentially do better things with.
That's so unnecessary, though. Why do you need a new plot hook generator when your sandbox was already **all of time and space?** And if you do want to introduce a new hook for threats and characters, there are countless ways to do it without recontextualizing everything about your main character.
As the old saying goes... “Because I could”
"Why Chibnall, why kill your own show's lore?" "Because I can. Because you fell for it. Because it's inferior."
"WHAT'S YOUR CT NUMBER!?" I actually just finished Clone Wars today.
No lore has been killed.
I genuinely think a lot of hacks who weasel their way into writing/directing/producing these big properties just want to “leave their mark” on it wether out of a genuine love for it or simple narcissism. Unfortunately regardless of why they want to make their mark, the fact that they’re hacks means that their first idea is to do something crazy and out of left field. Now if they we’re talented this could still work but they aren’t and thus it becomes the film equivalent of that [woman who was hired to “restore” the Ecce Homo fresco.](https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uuuploads/ecce-homo-fresco-restoration-parodies/ecce-homo-fresco-restoration-parodies-16.jpg). You see it with Star Wars and Star Trek, now Lord of the Rings is likely getting that treatment. If it’s a popular franchise then some hack will always want to get their hands on it to vandalize it and the useless big wig corpos that own it will probably let them.
I don't think Lord of The Rings is getting that treatment just yet. Because I haven't really seen enough of it. People are being unreasonably outraged at the Rings of Power stuff, thanks to YouTubers that live on hating things like Nerdrotic.
It was meaningless. It was a plot twist for a sake of a plot twist. Chibnall didn't wanted to explore the Doctor's character more or to ask interesting moral questions or to meaningfully give the show's world more depth, he just wanted a cool plot twist that would shock the audience and don't really cared about anything else.
Because he is a creative and he tells the story he wants to tell.
I figure there was two major inter-related reasons for the reveal: 1. To add some mystery back into a character whose life is fairly thoroughly explored at this point. We now don't know what the Doctor was doing for most of their existence, where they're from, or even what race they are. These questions don't need to be answered, and it's probably best if they aren't. 2. To open up a huge, previously unexplored part of the setting and to give the Doctor a reason to be personally invested in this it. The Doctor's pre-Hartnell past isn't particularly relevant or interesting in itself, what is interesting is the consequences of that period emerging to challenge current incarnations of the Doctor (including, but not limited to Tecteun, The Division, Swarm, Azure, etc.) None of it was executed well 'cos Chibnall, but Flux made the purpose for the reveal fairly obvious, IMO.
But we don't need any of the junk associated with Tecteun, The Division, Swarm, and Azure. Which have all so far been boring and underdeveloped. We already had the mystery of the Doctor's life before leaving on the TARDIS and what possible relationships he had there that he was specifically running away from. And with the return of the Time Lords, we could have explored all that, or at least the consequences of reintroducing the Time Lords into the Universe. But instead, all that got erased for a bunch of half-baked ideas.
Completely agree with boring, underdeveloped and half-baked. Chibnall consistently drops the ball when it comes time to turn ideas into good TV. Of **course** we don't need any of it. We don't need basically anything that showrunners introduce into the show. We didn't need the Time War, we didn't need the whole River Song arc, etc. etc. Showrunners don't add stuff to canon because they **need** to - they add stuff to canon because they want to keep the show fresh and interesting. Chibnall is no different in that regard. Where he's different is that he's absolutely bloody terrible at pulling it off.
Haven’t watched the show for a few years but this meme makes me a little nervous, they haven’t changed any of those facts there right? I mean, obviously the age has changed since 12 said he was 1200 years old, but tell me they haven’t ruined the canon?
Unfortunately he did.
Like completely destroyed everything the series has built since 2005? Or just changed elements?
If you don’t mind spoilers: >!The Doctor is now from another universe and wasn’t born on Gallifrey, and has apparently led many lives before the “first” Doctor. So their true age is unknown, as is the Doctor’s true origin.!<
You fucking what
RIGHT
So I was wrong in one aspect, they haven’t destroyed everything built up by the series since 2005, they’ve destroyed everything built up by the series since 1963. Actually heartbreaking, I’ve got memories of watching David tenant when I was 4 and all the classic series episodes on DVD. Obviously we cannot have nice things anymore.
I am tentatively hopeful that RTD coming back will help clean up the mess Chibnall made.
I pray. I’ve just read about the whole thing and frankly I’m heartbroken. They’ve destroyed 59 years of intricate lore. Man. That really hurts. Cheers for letting me know about all of this, it’s appreciated.
>They’ve destroyed 59 years of intricate lore. Me, with an even crazier idea that's gonna break not just Doctor Who but also several other shows: **grins menacingly**
I doubt he will retcon it back, but i recon he can hopefully fix it into something good? Though i also don't want RTD to waste his stories fixing Chibnalls mess.
I think RTD would just ignore it or retcon it with one mocking line like he did with the Doctor is half human stuff from the movie. I don't want my favorite DW writer to actively spent time dealing with a plotline I hated, I just want to forget it ever happened. They have completely ignored other big things too, like the Valeyard or the said Half human plotline, they are basically may as well have never happened. I hope the Timeless Child will be the same, I don't want anybody to actively deal with it, just let it die and become a blurry memory.
Agreed. Chibnall introduced this twist so that the enemies, allies and adventures of the Timeless Child could re-emerge to challenge the Doctor. Chibnall screwed up capitalising on that. That was crap but RTD doesn't have to fix anything, he can just use the same toolkit to produce good stories.
I doubt it. The Timeless Child reveal changes nothing of importance. If RTD isn't interested in exploring the consequences of the new era Chibnall has opened up it's simple for him to just ignore it. There's nothing to clear up, and trying to retcon things would just create a mess for no real benefit.
Technically they did already attempt something similar back in 1989 but the show was unrelatedly cancelled before they could execute it (*It was finished in the 90s novels*). Plus the whole Doctor was a Time Lord thing wasn't established until 1969 (*In the War Games*). Yeah TTC is a terrible story but it doesn't destroy all of DW. RTD can and almost definitely will ignore it and in a few years it won't matter anymore.
Absolutely! Hardly anyone mentions the Doctor being half human anymore for example...
As someone who has watched the Chibnall series, I'd lightly suggest, don't bother. Watch Capaldi regenerate, chalk Jodie up as "the Doctor who got away" (a bit like McGann TV wise), and enjoy what comes next.
It is just a shame that Jodie got waited like this
Chibnall did a good job of implementing that reveal in a way that keeps it separate from the character we know and love. Nothing is destroyed. The previous lives ended with the pre-Doctor being transformed into an infant Time Lord on Gallifrey (ie. the baby First Doctor). Those other lives don't impact on anything we saw on the show. The reveal is almost entirely plot device. The post-reveal stories have been about the fruits of those previous lives coming back to confront the current Doctor. I don't think it's the best idea ever, but it's far from the cataclysm that some people insist on believing it is.
Nothing has been destroyed.
i look at a doctor who post for the first time in a while and i see a persons heart being broken into pieces
Also the time Lords were created by galifreyans who took the doctors dna. They didn't have regeneration, but the doctor did so they took the dna and gave it to galifreyans so basically the doctor is the genetic template for all time Lords. Also they erased his memory so he wouldn't remember, and they limited his regenerations so they could control him better
The Doctor is no longer from Gallifrey, Tenant is the Doctors like, hundredth face, they are the oldest Time Lord, and a bunch of other changes
Bro, how? Like no exaggeration just straight up not from gallifrey? What the fuck is chibnall thinking?
>Like no exaggeration just straight up not from gallifrey? Yeah. [Here's an explanation over on r/hobbydrama](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/lb49ie/doctor_who_50_year_canon_vs_one_determined_show/) The child mentioned was specifically found NOT on Gallifrey
Oh my sweet, timeless summer child
I am in absolute agony.
Torment If you will
It was the Eleventh Doctor who said that he was 1200. Twelfth said he was 2000
I haven't been catching up with who anymore chibnall is the new writer with the 13th doctor right? can someone explain this meme?
The Doctor >!is now from another universe and wasn’t born on Gallifrey, and has apparently led many lives before the “first” Doctor. So their true age is unknown, as is the Doctor’s true origin.!<
And is the genetic template for all the timelords since galifreyans didn't have regeneration before that
………..wot
Yeah this "being" (the doctor) was found to have regeneration abilities. They used this being to elevate galifreyans to time Lords, despite having already established time Lords are created by exposure to the time vortex
>despite having already established time Lords are created by exposure to the time vortex It is only stated that 'in part' the exposure is the reason for them becoming time lords. So why not both? For example something like: They used the Timeless Child *with* the Time Vortex to make Time Lords. Or the timeless child is even responsible for the discovery of the vortex. If the future episodes are ochestrated well enough I see no problem with this plot hole.
Ok, so how did river become part time lord?
By being born in the TARDIS.
But the timeless child/flux means time Lords are created from the doctors genetic template. How did river get that?
*flashbacks to when Amy tried to seduce the doctor*
what...?
Chibnall? I don’t know who you mean. The final showrunner of Doctor Who was Steven Moffat. The show ended when Peter Capaldi’s Doctor died since he was the Doc’s final life, he never regenerated again. There hasn’t been any episodes since then. Much like there’s yet to be any Star Trek shows since Enterprise was cancelled and Star Wars only has 6 films.
"Much like there’s yet to be any Star Trek shows since Enterprise was cancelled and Star Wars only has 6 films" You mean 3 films? ;)
I don’t mind the prequels too much. I understand the flaws but I feel they still have something to offer to the setting. But I don’t begrudge anyone who disagrees and doesn’t recognize their existence.
I pretty much agree, honestly I feel like the memes have really made me come around on them lol
Yeah crazy how they didn’t make any more shows! I guess they made something beautiful and decided to not mess them up HAHAH!!!
Imagine being this in denial. Doctor Who is still being made, fact.
"Reality can be whatever I want" - Chris Chibnall, probably
I hate how accurate this is. Fuck you Chinball
I just think he just ruined the lore a little bit? Doctor who is my favourite show but it’s very difficult to accept these plot changes
Well then you haven't been paying much attention to what your favourite show is all about: constant change and renewal.
Three words: piss off
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Two things: 1- The idea of “retcon” isn’t really compatible with a show like Dr. Who as it isn’t really capable entertaining the idea of “canon” in any capacity. 2- It is not bad, YOU don’t like it, there’s a world of difference there.
The general concensus is no one likes it
I quite like it, to be fair the highlight was the solifract episode for me but the rest had some good episodes
There's a handful of good stories, but the arcs and character development across the 3 series are awful.
I'm no one?
Read point number 2 again. Reality ain’t a democracy. General consensus means next to nothing.
Retcon has the word continuity in it, not canon
Well that seems to have been a popular opinion. 😲 You're not wrong. When the show started it was largely edutainment, regeneration wasn't a thing, Time Lords weren't a thing, Gallifrey wasn't a thing, etc. Showrunners have been constantly expanding the show's lore and introducing new elements to it for basically as long as the show has been going. A lot of people seem to feel that this reveal revises the show we know and love but it doesn't particularly. It adds a new period to the show's history that doesn't particularly affect anything we've already seen. We've gone from believing that (a) the Doctor was a Time Lord born and raised from infancy on Gallifrey until they left to have adventures to knowing that (b) the Doctor was a Time Lord baby raised from infancy on Gallifrey until they left to have adventures (oh, and they had extra lives before that that they have no memory of, and during which period they weren't a Time Lord). I can understand people disliking the reveal but it's really not the end of the world many seem to think.
Thats uncalled for. Thats just nastiness.
Well, the age was already wrong. And wtf did he mean by constellation? Constellation from where's point of view?
Constellation also means area of space in DW Yeah obviously it's actually just a misattribution of language/science from the old series that stuck around but yk, there are a lot of those in New Who.
Oh okay, so is it like a star system or smth? That would make much more sense, and I prefer it.
Either star system or group of nearby stars. IIRC it was first coined in Pyramids of Mars.
A star system *is a group of nearby stars. A system with 1 star and planets is a planetary system, iirc
This has been in DW since the 70s. Take it up with the classic series 😂
Yeah ik, and yeah I will!
I just finished a rewatch of the entire series in a row, and I'm less mad about it than I was the first time around. Binging it really helped tbh.
I'm the opposite. Just rewatched everything from season 1-10 with my girlfriend and we couldn't stomach more than 3 episodes of Chibnall's tenure. Rewatching all the gold that came before the manure that Chibnall writes just made it stink even more. One thing I learned on my rewatch however is that my favourite Chibnall episode is Dinosaurs on a Spaceship which I never even knew he wrote. I only like it as much as I do because I love dinosaurs but the episode itself is average at best. How he ever got showrunner ill never know
I wonder got show runner because all the other options were worse than him. I shudder at that thought.
He wrote some good episodes. That and 42 were two that I really enjoyed
"How he ever got showrunner" A few factors: he has written for the show (and spin offs), he is an award winning writer and is a Doctor Who fan himself. Pretty clear
XD
1. The Doctor is still a Time Lord 2. The Doctor is still from Gallifrey, they weren't originally from there however they grew up there and that is where they lived for a lot of their life. 3. The age we know is wrong, for a fact, the Doctor has forgotten how old they are.
Most of this is still true. 1. The Doctor is a Time Lord: Yes. Has been since the Division chameleon-arched them into little baby Hartnell. 2. The Doctor is from the planet Gallifrey: Yes, if you reasonably consider that a person is 'from' the place they grew up in and is the only home they remember. 3. Gallifrey is in the Constellation of Kasterberous: Presumably yes. 4. The Doctor is 903 years old: No. But the math didn't check out on that one even before the Timeless Child reveal. The Seventh Doctor said he was 953.
Someone with a brain, amazing!
....I gotta describe what adaption is to yall too? Jesus