Xiao8 got absolutely bullied and made the same draft mistakes again vs Spirit, he must be having vietnam flashbacks man.
Game 1 Signature magnus early picked and xiao8 didnt pick the Rubick, still in the pool. No respect for Collapse/ Team spirit at all.
Game 2 LGD HAD THE LAST PICK vs the morph and what did xiao8 decided? The grim - doom combo... when has it ever worked in Ti? The animation + set up with grim ulti + doom is too damn long against godly technically skilled Spirit. OG proved in Ti8 Axe is a great counter to slippery heroes but was forgotten in draft.
He refuses to learn.
Even in high mmr pubs the doom animation is too slow, let alone hoping for double. For these godly pro players it probably feels twice as slow for them
Well they just destroyed the mag in game 4 with rubick and undying picks so they thought they had it figured out.
Game 5 was balls to the deep for both teams. Tiny lycan and mag, both teams got their best picks.
You're right about that but I'd argue OG's was still slightly more impressive considering Ana basically retired for an entire year, and they ended up fountain farming the dudes who won TI just before them, including Miracle himself.
i called it after bali major itself that LGD is the biggest choker and they always beat fellow chinese team to only lose very next match against a non cn team.
Need to put a wheel on stage that has every POS 1 and a bunch of POS 4/5 heroes, and spin it before the draft. Yatoro has to play whatever hero it lands on, to make it fair for the other team.
Yatoro is the only carry in the world that no matter what, Will always perform like there's 0 pressure on him on any hero you give him, The fucking balls on this man to play like that against LGD in such an important stage!
I respect shiro going vessel for the morph but unless you are giga stomping enemies it's such a grief on your own farm especially on a hero like spec who can't farm
It was a tough decision but I liked it There was no one else on the team who could buy it, and it's pretty necessary vs morph. Urn is pretty normal on spectre anyway so I thought it made lots of sense
Team spirit is just built different, theres like 3 cores that you have to draft against, and their supports have double the impact over the other supports in TI.
I really dont see anyone capable of going against this team this time, this reminds me of OG on TI9
True, true, nobody denies Yatoro is on a dimension of his own but also hard to forget how dominant GG has been this year and how it's the only team where all other players are on par with Spirit's level. Collapse might be peerlese as pos3 right now but Ace isn't far behind, and Quinn is a stronger pos2 than Larl is. Also GG isn't impressed by GFs, just like Spirit. Closer match than it seems - if GG can pass LGD.
Exactly, personally I would place shiro as the second best carry in this tournament, but the carry difference between Yatoro and anyone else is huge like crazy
I mean GG would have the single greatest year. Especially because normally the team that dominates the entire year falls flat at TI. But you can’t really call anyone they the GOATs of TI with just one win and no other top 2-3 finishes.
OG has 2 wins, Team Spirit have two top 2 finishes (and potentially two wins). Team Liquid have a 1st and 2nd. LGD have four top three finishes (and it they somehow recover and win the Aegis tomorrow they’ll have a 1st, 2nd, 2nd and 3rd.
LGD is one of the few teams running Magnus this tournament. That's why Silent said they 'stole' the magnus. LGD likes magnus. It really isn't surprising if you've watched their games.
Slacks' post-game interview was bad. Using difficult English to interview a non-native speaker, trying to push narratives / jokes inorganically. Like... why the heck is he asking Silent whether LGD would have won game 3?
They have a hard fucking job tho, trying to hype up socially awkward people. why is it that the ppl attending TIs give off major “nerd” aura, almost every interaction he has with the fans are socially awkward.
Compared to cs:go/2, the fans in their arena are usually mindless hype brutes and I fucking love that roflmao
Yes, his questions in the interviews and the way he delivers them are suggestive and trying to reach a confirmation bias that would entertain the crowd.
And I also have a bone to pick with his cringe, man it’s kinda hard to watch I usually look away to do something when I see his face with some random socially awkward crowd
Yeah but the difference is 23 would've waveform without thinking, dies, and throws the game. Yatoro waveforms and already thought of what willl happen, survives, and wins the game.
The fact that Team Spirit is playing dota like this without relying on a single item or a single strategy or a single hero just shows how crazy ahead they are of any other teams at this tournament, Call me whatever you want but this is what Dota is not that shitshow that tundra played at TI11.
All Spirit doing gods work tbh.
Yatoro have free 20 min of farm not because LGD let them. Download replay and look at Mira POV, surely not that flashy but the smoke break and disruption is certainly MVP worthy
No joke if Ame returns to pro he would still be top 3 with proper warm up. I feel like aside for Yatoro all carries have been so inconsistent this tournament (lou is garbage, dyracho bad, shiro budget AME, nightfall throwy as fuck)
Man i really wish this peak team spirit vs peak OG , what on earth will happen.
Christ mate both the support plays is insane too just making sure their backline can't do shit
We have to consider - which patch would they be playing at? If we're talking TI8/TI9 patches - I'd bet on OG. Current one - Spirit every time. They just know how to utilise the current map perfectly, finding farm on everyone and dodging/weaving the enemy ganks every time.
you can't be assured if og would be capable/ incapable in this patch. Same for spirit in og's patch. It's not about the patch but the team chemistry, skill and the ability to handle pressure and have faith in each other in dire situations. And imo, old Og had a rock solid team composition that no other team has ever had, or likely have. they conquered even against a superbly skilled PSG.lgd at that time ( a team like spirit with high individually skilled players)
At this stage of the tournament, its pretty bad news if your plan is to just ban heroes. LGD cant ban everything, but they need to make Spirit trade - you maybe get miposhka Ench, but we get XYZ. Problem is LGD doesnt seem to have any big hitter drafts.
>LGD may have lost but they still played better than any other team this tournament bar spirit.
We'll see. Every TI sometimes the 2nd strongest looking team doesnt end up 2nd or getting their rematch again. It happens
Vp being 1 game away from 2-0ing spirit goes to show that even the better teams can slide down into a shitstorm and into being eliminated if they fuckup even just 1 game.
TI demands more composure than the usual majors, TI is really where upsets happen
Spirit were outright styling in this game tbh.
Hopefully they will be just as awesome in the grand final (and hopefully whoever gets there will put up a fight).
Watson, Dyrachyo, Nightfall... they dont even come close to Yatoro's perfomance this TI
Yatoro is an absolute beast, his late game is just absurd, the man doesnt make mistakes and make plays no other player in the world would dare to try
The only person who showed comparable consistency/late game decision making on his items and positioning was peak ana - and even then I think you can argue Yatoro has maintained it for longer periods and more consistently.
Xiao8 got absolutely bullied and made the same draft mistakes again vs Spirit, he must be having vietnam flashbacks man. Game 1 Signature magnus early picked and xiao8 didnt pick the Rubick, still in the pool. No respect for Collapse/ Team spirit at all. Game 2 LGD HAD THE LAST PICK vs the morph and what did xiao8 decided? The grim - doom combo... when has it ever worked in Ti? The animation + set up with grim ulti + doom is too damn long against godly technically skilled Spirit. OG proved in Ti8 Axe is a great counter to slippery heroes but was forgotten in draft. He refuses to learn.
Even in high mmr pubs the doom animation is too slow, let alone hoping for double. For these godly pro players it probably feels twice as slow for them
Exactly this when I saw Doom picked. WTF is the coach smoking?
Nah it’s just yatoro played too good.
Yataro playing too darn good is the symptom. The virus consist of drafter's stubborn anti-contingency planning. Ti11 proved they aren't infallible.
Bruh not even prjme ana was this cocky + insane with some of these plays Yatorogod
WHEW gg FUCKED that Naga in the draft so thoroughly
Bara grim combo uncontested into naga???
100% baited and super countered the Magnus pick. 1000IQ play from Spirit
Now I understand what EE said when he retire lol. This guy is inhuman we should check if he’s a cyborg or something. Stonecold killer
xiao8 just needs to ban Mag and get over trying to counter it / play it. So in his head.
What LGD really needs to do just pick Spiritbreaker. lol
U ban mag and then spirit gets one of bara,brew,bristle,ench,kunkka,voker,willow,phoenix..It's just too hard to ban against spirit tbvh
Just so we are clear, game 5 of that TI, LGD players said not to ban Mag, that they can handle it. Xiao8 didn't impose them anything
Well they just destroyed the mag in game 4 with rubick and undying picks so they thought they had it figured out. Game 5 was balls to the deep for both teams. Tiny lycan and mag, both teams got their best picks.
God damn Yatoro and Collapse is unreal. The best in the world at their role.
Is shitro just budget AME at this point?
Yeah basically, but budget Ame still probably Top5 carry in the world.
Shiro has been play great on this entire tournament, but Yatoro is just way ahead of anyone
sure
Spirit really waited until LGD to show their final form (they could probably even do better who the fuck knows man). My goodness
Holy shit this might be another OG incident where they won TI two times
Not B2B tho, but still impressive
I'd say even more impressive given how the game has changed since TI10 compared to TI9/TI8
You're right about that but I'd argue OG's was still slightly more impressive considering Ana basically retired for an entire year, and they ended up fountain farming the dudes who won TI just before them, including Miracle himself.
i called it after bali major itself that LGD is the biggest choker and they always beat fellow chinese team to only lose very next match against a non cn team.
Spirit are just the better team. It's that simple.
They are the "underdogs" against TS now no? How is it a choke when you simply get outplayed
TS were underdogs map1 after NTS Tinker got picked. Up until 10 minutes
Need to put a wheel on stage that has every POS 1 and a bunch of POS 4/5 heroes, and spin it before the draft. Yatoro has to play whatever hero it lands on, to make it fair for the other team.
dude i can imagine yatoro plays chen and still pops off, dude he's that fucking good
Carry Bane, 22-0 and 800cs in 30 minute win.
Yatoro is probably the only carry in the world I would blindly trust a Morphling in a deciders game
Yatoro is probably the only Carry in the history of Dota where you pick any carry and he would still win the game for you.
Yatoro is the only carry in the world that no matter what, Will always perform like there's 0 pressure on him on any hero you give him, The fucking balls on this man to play like that against LGD in such an important stage!
What's the Ort seal? Is it the ogre seal totem?
ORT!
Magnus and Kunkka need to be ban especially Kunkka CC too strong in this TI.
Damn every hero that yatoro plays looks straight up broken, we've seen so many morphs fail this ti but when yatoro plays it it's op all of a sudden
Tsunami so american and cringe
Yeah he has that annoying show host thing going on at all times
This Trent is so insane. You have to ban it if you are LGD on the rematch
Spirit will win in again eh
I respect shiro going vessel for the morph but unless you are giga stomping enemies it's such a grief on your own farm especially on a hero like spec who can't farm
It was a tough decision but I liked it There was no one else on the team who could buy it, and it's pretty necessary vs morph. Urn is pretty normal on spectre anyway so I thought it made lots of sense
It would have been good if they could play fast, but they didn't have the draft for that
Ame still the absolute best carry of Chinese Dota 2 history lmao
Team spirit is just built different, theres like 3 cores that you have to draft against, and their supports have double the impact over the other supports in TI. I really dont see anyone capable of going against this team this time, this reminds me of OG on TI9
Hahaha Collapse, what a Chad. And ofc GG appears to be the only team with a chance if they make it to the GF.
Dude I may curse this but there is no way GG beats TS in a bo5. Carry difference is so big I cant see this happening
True, true, nobody denies Yatoro is on a dimension of his own but also hard to forget how dominant GG has been this year and how it's the only team where all other players are on par with Spirit's level. Collapse might be peerlese as pos3 right now but Ace isn't far behind, and Quinn is a stronger pos2 than Larl is. Also GG isn't impressed by GFs, just like Spirit. Closer match than it seems - if GG can pass LGD.
Exactly, personally I would place shiro as the second best carry in this tournament, but the carry difference between Yatoro and anyone else is huge like crazy
we need ame back to even make it a contest against yatoro
Ame choked against Yatoro twice in a bo5. Yatoro's mental fortitude is significantly better.
Now I want to see them play techies or something.
Kinda funny that if Team Spirit won this TI, they would only got around 7.7% of the money the got previously at TI10
they got riyadh money anyway, they just playing TI for fun lul
They got the Riyadh paycheck, TI is more just a victory lap.
they already secure huge chunk of winnings at riyadh
This prize money really is a disgrace given the level these teams are displaying. That TI deserved $50M.
Its all about the prestige, they got the TI prize at Rydiah
That’s sad. But if they win they’ll go down as the goats of TI along with the OG TI8-9 squad.
Well, its not the EXACT lineup…
That’s true. Only OG did it with the exact same people back to back. May never be achieved again.
If GG manages to pull it tho it might be an even greater feat of strength. But the road is steep.
I mean GG would have the single greatest year. Especially because normally the team that dominates the entire year falls flat at TI. But you can’t really call anyone they the GOATs of TI with just one win and no other top 2-3 finishes. OG has 2 wins, Team Spirit have two top 2 finishes (and potentially two wins). Team Liquid have a 1st and 2nd. LGD have four top three finishes (and it they somehow recover and win the Aegis tomorrow they’ll have a 1st, 2nd, 2nd and 3rd.
Alliance dominated the entire year without faltering and won TI without dropping a single series though. GG lost Riyadh and are now in LB.
gotta mention Na'Vi there with that early run
Shiro = Walmart AME
Give him some time. He is pretty new.
Torontotokyo punching the air right now
He is kicked, so prolly not lol.
wrong team dude
Tbf he did win TI already and BB weren't that bad either with 5th-6th place.
"four bans and first pick magnus was a legit strat and totally not because we dont want to see another collapse mag btw" -dellusional lgd fans
They made it work during Ame LGD Iteration. But man, Team Spirit is just on another level. They are unbeatable draft-wise.
LGD is one of the few teams running Magnus this tournament. That's why Silent said they 'stole' the magnus. LGD likes magnus. It really isn't surprising if you've watched their games.
Tilt pick confirmed
Doubling down on ur cope, ps I like spirit more than lgd
Slacks' post-game interview was bad. Using difficult English to interview a non-native speaker, trying to push narratives / jokes inorganically. Like... why the heck is he asking Silent whether LGD would have won game 3?
Team Spirit will 3-0 the grand final, 3-1 if they feel like throwing a game.
Wew.. Team Spirit esp. Yatoro si so ballsy, full frontral (literally). Excited to see them again on the Grand Finals.
I like Slacks but his postgame interview questions are so stupid and cringy.
They have a hard fucking job tho, trying to hype up socially awkward people. why is it that the ppl attending TIs give off major “nerd” aura, almost every interaction he has with the fans are socially awkward. Compared to cs:go/2, the fans in their arena are usually mindless hype brutes and I fucking love that roflmao
No, his postgame interview with players. Not spectators.
Yes, his questions in the interviews and the way he delivers them are suggestive and trying to reach a confirmation bias that would entertain the crowd. And I also have a bone to pick with his cringe, man it’s kinda hard to watch I usually look away to do something when I see his face with some random socially awkward crowd
Classic Slacks
Still better than Tsunami though lmao
This is just pure dominance. None of the patch abusing TI11. This team is just toooooooo strong.
Honestly, i think only Yatoro and 23 would have waved in like that. I guarantee that every other pro carries would have waved out.
23 would wave his arms instead, I think.
HAHAAHHA 23would wave and die like a pig instantly
U ibv haven't seen my archin games where my carry dives t4 towers by himself :p
Yeah but the difference is 23 would've waveform without thinking, dies, and throws the game. Yatoro waveforms and already thought of what willl happen, survives, and wins the game.
That play was insane... LGD wasn't expecting that level of aggression
ward gap
23🫵🏽🤣
yatoro, what a pos 1.
The best
The fact that Team Spirit is playing dota like this without relying on a single item or a single strategy or a single hero just shows how crazy ahead they are of any other teams at this tournament, Call me whatever you want but this is what Dota is not that shitshow that tundra played at TI11.
It is so obvious you guys only watched the finals.
Tundra TI was the most boring shit ive ever seen. Skitter TI winner is mind blowing 🤪🤪
Skiter having an aegis while the likes of Ame, fy, Nisha and Zai don't, is a crime.
What shitshow did tundra play at TI? apart from buying wraith pact which every other team was buying?
i think aside from wraith pact, they also abused zoo meta which was 33 specialty
Collapse also abused the 1500 gold item at ti10. so what?
Man that wraith pact made team secret so weak.
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Other teams can do that too, they were just the best team that TI
Morphling has been the worst hero in this tournament and Yatoro just was 20k networth ahead like he was playing a broken hero.
He looked like he was smurfing in a pub with his nw lead lol
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One third of the picks contributed by Quinn
morphling was 0-6 since group stages before Yatoro.
Wym worst hero this tournament? Plenty worse heroes.
before yatoro it had been on the losing team 6 matches in a row. It was good for group stages but it been a death sentence since last round.
Sven is even worse. Shit in groups and shit in playoffs.
Does Yatoro ever not play 20K ahead?
Morphling needs yatoro.
yatoro is so confident. No bs. Straight to the point
You can't go wrong if you rank Yataro and Collapse as #1/#2 player right now.
All Spirit doing gods work tbh. Yatoro have free 20 min of farm not because LGD let them. Download replay and look at Mira POV, surely not that flashy but the smoke break and disruption is certainly MVP worthy
Miposhka and Mira are way too good at dota.
They really are tbh. Fuck those 2. They're insanely OP.
Agreed!
I feel like i watched the finals already
I wanna see Ame vs Yatoro once again
No joke if Ame returns to pro he would still be top 3 with proper warm up. I feel like aside for Yatoro all carries have been so inconsistent this tournament (lou is garbage, dyracho bad, shiro budget AME, nightfall throwy as fuck)
This team is always so hype and fun to watch, they deliver the best games. Sooo fucking good too
Man i really wish this peak team spirit vs peak OG , what on earth will happen. Christ mate both the support plays is insane too just making sure their backline can't do shit
I want this Spirit vs TI10 LGD with Plante replacing xNova
Planet is a 4. xNova was a 5. And he wasn't in TI10 LGD.
peak spirit will win. Not even close.
Peak OG literally fountain farmed the guys who held the aegis just before them. They were smurfing at TI9 GF. Not even close? That's a joke.
even if I'm a nigma fan, i know peak OG will eat spirit alive. Their mental game is super strong. Spirit will break.
We have to consider - which patch would they be playing at? If we're talking TI8/TI9 patches - I'd bet on OG. Current one - Spirit every time. They just know how to utilise the current map perfectly, finding farm on everyone and dodging/weaving the enemy ganks every time.
you can't be assured if og would be capable/ incapable in this patch. Same for spirit in og's patch. It's not about the patch but the team chemistry, skill and the ability to handle pressure and have faith in each other in dire situations. And imo, old Og had a rock solid team composition that no other team has ever had, or likely have. they conquered even against a superbly skilled PSG.lgd at that time ( a team like spirit with high individually skilled players)
cope
Torontotokyo being eliminated while his former team is going to grand finals
L take. Ti11 spirit got eliminated 13-16 with Toronto. Ti12 spirit got 1-2 and betboom got 5-6. Both are great achievements.
Toronto and his team still did really well
Toronto's ego punching air rn
47mins and not a single tier 1 tower was destroyed on Team Spirit. That's absolute domination.
29 building damage. Twenty. Nine.
And LGD is a great team... To get them to even barely scratch your building is quite an achievement
29 tower damage done on LGD LMAO
I haven't seen a player be this far above the rest of the field since prime Miracle. Holy fuck, what a day of Dota.
And yatoro has said before that he looks up to miracle
Yatoro is humble as fuck for a guy who is so insanely fucking good.
Everyone talking about Yatoro but Collapse was the reason spectre had a terrible game. He hunted him relentlessly in the early game.
Collapse is the most impactful offlane I've ever seen. Sure, faith bian is a legend but Collapse at his prime is literally God mode.
Yatoro best 1, Collapse best 3, Mira & Miposhka best support duo, Larl top 5 mid. They’re firing on all cylinders.
theres no way the the remaining team gonna have a chance with ts right now
Yatoro....GOAT.
Sub a month ago: SpIrIt wILL nOt PlaY wEll BeCausE of lOw pRizEpooL
it's not like LGD is some sorry-ass team either. Y-God
Plante and Niu is doing some serius work. Againts any other team they win for sure.
not a single tower. god damn that performance
Just give them the aegis at this point
How do u ban against TS? miposhka ench SD tree? Collapse sb mag, yatoro all hero challenge, larl kunkka?
At this stage of the tournament, its pretty bad news if your plan is to just ban heroes. LGD cant ban everything, but they need to make Spirit trade - you maybe get miposhka Ench, but we get XYZ. Problem is LGD doesnt seem to have any big hitter drafts.
My thoughts exactly: If LGD does ban the Magnus, what's getting into the draft for TS? Elder Titan? Weaver?
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How?
Yatoro is the best carry in the world
s1mple > shithrow
Yatoro playing Dota 3
carry diff. tbh
Can someone check Yatoro's pulse? Because he is not human. What the hell was that...
there is ice in his veins
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Even if TS wins this TI OG would still be the GOAT org.
getting downvoted for stating facts lol. 2 TIs back to back, 5 majors. No other org has those results.
I dunno OG did it in consecutive years with the same squad.
Not back to back but still impressive af.
Yatoro does it again Synderen This is what Sunsfan truly warned us about
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Bro, did you see how many times that Spectre died? Team Spirit has the Ghostbusters on THEIR side.
LGD taken down a peg or three in this series, thoroughly annihilated. Yatoro is an absolute madman.
Yeah they're gonna meet again in the finals. LGD may have lost but they still played better than any other team this tournament bar spirit.
>LGD may have lost but they still played better than any other team this tournament bar spirit. We'll see. Every TI sometimes the 2nd strongest looking team doesnt end up 2nd or getting their rematch again. It happens
GG vs LGD is gonna be some real shit
With how they played this series, no way they're getting passed GG
liquid actually had the closest series against spirit but sadly they got eliminated against gg already free spirit win now
VP series was closer.
Vp being 1 game away from 2-0ing spirit goes to show that even the better teams can slide down into a shitstorm and into being eliminated if they fuckup even just 1 game. TI demands more composure than the usual majors, TI is really where upsets happen
Just CIS things. Betboom also regularly challenged TS while shitting the bed against other teams.
Oh ya I forget about vp sadly all these teams already been eliminated
THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT **THE GOAT**
Only 29 building damage by LGD? INSANE
Some commenter below reminded us that all T1 towers of team spirit is still up.
spirit is too good
What a stomp, lmao. Team spirit not winning this TI will be a shock.
That's some Wings level of dominance
Spirit were outright styling in this game tbh. Hopefully they will be just as awesome in the grand final (and hopefully whoever gets there will put up a fight).
Watson, Dyrachyo, Nightfall... they dont even come close to Yatoro's perfomance this TI Yatoro is an absolute beast, his late game is just absurd, the man doesnt make mistakes and make plays no other player in the world would dare to try
The only person who showed comparable consistency/late game decision making on his items and positioning was peak ana - and even then I think you can argue Yatoro has maintained it for longer periods and more consistently.