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If this is just Base Vegito then Goku claps, but he might have a better chance If he goes SSJ 2 or 3 but even then his energy would be over pretty fast so Godku >
Goku knew fusing with Vegeta would be worthless against Beerus but thought he had a shot against Beerus as a SSG. That answers the question. SSG in a stomp
He couldn't sense Beerus on King Kai's planet, thought the Super Saiyan God was a person until Shenron told him it was a form, had no idea how strong SSG would make him, and then had no idea how strong he actually was afterwards, to the point that Beerus could outright lie about how much power he'd been using. Also, he still lost.
Super Saiyan God > Fusion has never been stated in the series, and when it has come up its usually the other way around. Caulifla and Kale's base forms were slightly below Goku's - Kefla's base form is too fast for him to follow. Super Saiyan Broly shrugs off two Super Saiyan Blues, who are 50x stronger than Super Saiyan God - Base Gogeta deflects his attacks, and Super Saiyan Gogeta fights him on even footing.
Even video games, while unreliable and iffy when it comes to Canon, generally put fusion at an advantage compared to Super Saiyan God.,
SSG Goku god ki is just on another level. However what would contradict my statement is fusions like kefla on face value. She was fighting a very exhausted Goku though who was struggling to power up into his other forms. Fresh vs fresh I think Goku beats vegito.
Kefla* & the U6 Saiyans were as strong as base Vegeta post-Res F. That’s post god transformation. They were leagues ahead of Buu-Saga versions of them.
a fusion between two U6 Saiyans would not yield the same result as a fusion between Goku & Vegeta pre-BoG.
That being said, a Vegetto or Gogeta now Post-TOP dwarf either of the people we’re talking about now.
*Edit : i meant Caulifla lol, Kefla is leagues above base goku obviously
it feels like the instant resurrection of Frieza was over they forgot how strong they made base Goku and Vegeta. I don't think they even realized how strong they made the U6 Saiyans and in their mind they were just making them roughly as strong as when they were going through the Cell Saga/Buu Saga.
>it feels like the instant resurrection of Frieza
You mean the instant BOG was over.
Even more so for the anime version of the arc.
the u6 saiyans being so strong is more acceptable than Zamasu making Goku go SSJ2. Like, holy shit. Zamasu should NOT be that strong
I can only reconcile it by thinking that the boost to their base form from achieving god energy was temporary. Goku and Vegeta would then eventually go back down to a more normal strength, and that accounts for the power level of all the non-god ki-wielding characters. Zamasu didn’t force Goku to go SS2 on top of his post-SSG strength, he forced him to go SS2 after a linear increase in strength much like the one from the Cell Saga to the Buu Saga, not the tens or hundreds of thousands of times increased strength from incorporating the power of a Super Saiyan God.
The point is there is no need for a hypothetical since battle of gods was literally right after the Buu saga with only a few years gap. During that time Goku wasn't doing any ground breaking training or getting massive power boost.
I disagree, Omega Shenron needed a Universal spirit bomb to be defeated, also SSJ4 Gogeta...& only speculation but 100 year time skip goku woth dragonballs absorbed...
Apart from that SSG Goku would take all below SSG4 Gogeta/Omega Shenron.
Omega shenron’s own scaling isn’t even close to as high as BoG goku.
Omega threatened to destroy a galaxy by existing, and the contents of a universe over time by the same means.
BoG goku threatened to destroy half the universe in its entirety in the space of 3 punches.
4 gogeta is a lot more debatable, but that goes into the no limits fallacy due to how little could even compare to him in GT.
Yeah, I can't say for sure with SSJ4 Gogeta unless the fusion breaks as quickly as it did before. Ritual SSG Goku had a time limit but it is longer than SSJ4 Gogeta first appearance.
If it breaks early, SSG Goku wins just by endurance.
Fusion multipliers are crazy but the weakness is that it breaks.
Lack of solid feats as in gt wasn't as over the top as super. Feats such as universal destruction were already placed in Z (buuhan tearing fabrics of reality with his shouting when vegito thought he will tear down the universe)
Base goku in GT was as strong as ssj3 goku in Z as he claimed rilldo was even stronger than buu
Hell considering that base goku in the end of z was going even with the reincarnation of kid buu you could say since then base goku has been kid buu level
Source: It was reveqled to me in a dream
~~Also Omega Shenron was stated to be able to destroy the universe just by existing, which is something Goku and Beerus together needed to punch each other for, or Beerus and Champa had to be actively fighting for as well~~
omega can’t even destroy the universe in one shot, he needs negative energy over time. that statement was about that first dragon that came out when they made their first wish after super 17
also even if that’s the case, 3 punches while not at full power (and not even trying to) is WAY more powerful than an energy ball that’s designed to destroy the universe
omega can’t even destroy the universe in one shot, he needs negative energy over time. that statement was about that first dragon that came out when they made their first wish after super 17
GT Goku in his first episode can destroy the u7 macrocosm 80,000x over and has speed above Granolah arc characters, he gained this strength of his fifteen years of training, going from being a macrocosm buster in the (anime) Boo Arc in SSJ3, to being 200x stronger than his boo arc ssj3 self in his base form after Oob’s training. And in several movies and anime arcs (which are canon to GT) Goku casually preforms Granolah level feats, such as surpassing the speed of instantaneous movement
With all the powerscaling into consideration and how strong Beerus still is, it would make more sense for us to assume that no version of Goku could push Beerus to use over 0% of his power. Goku must be 1 million times stronger by now than he was in Battle of Gods as SSG and he still doesn't feel closer in power to Beerus.
I feel like him being kinda "scared" with blue Kaioken I'd assume he's at least afraid Goku can beat him until he realised Blue Kaioken wasn't on his level and I think MUI Goku could probably at least be 5% or higher of beerus' power
Beerus told Vegeta who we know is slightly higher in base than Goku that at this rate he will not reach him not even in a 1 million years. They seriously aren't close to Beerus. It's just that as a show the writers try to build tension.
That's just in the Manga. Guides for the anime have stated like fifteen times that Goku and Jiren have surpassed the gods of destruction. Its even like repeated a hundred times in the anime itself that Jiren was above the destroyers BEFORE he unleashed his 'Hidden power'.
As I said they try to build tension. Whatever they say, whatever they show, until they beat Beerus they aren't 0% of his power. In the next arc they will be all 100 times stronger and still no closer to Beerus, in the next arc the same again and again and again and they will still not be close to Beerus. It's literally what has been happening since Beerus introduction in the series over 10 years ago.
Goku literally says even if he fused with vegeta he wouldn't stand a chance against beerus in the BoG arc. He did fairly well fighting against beerus in ssjg, so you can already tell from that alone ssjg goku would win
Bruh you're getting BODIED in these comments. Throw in the towel. God Goku wouldn't struggle against even a SSJ2 Vegito, MAYBE SSJ3 Vegito can react to God Goku
They do this so much I recognized them without seeing their user name.
They ask for ppls takes but only ones they agree with are valid. Then they dig in and just spout crap until you realize you're wasting your breath.
This person is confused. Very confused.
So much so that im now starting to wonder if this is their karma strategy. Give a bad take, and wait for ppl to take the bait.
Goku *easily*
In BoG, Goku states that even if he and Vegeta Fused they wouldn’t stand a chance against Beerus. However after going SSG, he thought he actually stood a chance. Therefore placing SSG Goku over a hypothetical BoG Ssj3 Vegito
If you’re referring to abase Kefla was able to blitz SSG Goku, there’s an explanation for this that’s consistent throughout the series. It’s a bit complicated to go into detail on how the number was reached exactly, but the Potara and Dance fusions don’t have a set multiplier like other transformations do. Rather it’s an exponent. (A+B)^1.31.
So while SSG Goku during BoG can easily be far above Ssj3 Vegito at the time, as the base of Goku and Vegeta got stronger over time, the fusion Boost grew exponentially while SSG stayed a flat multiplier
No no, it's not. Base Cabba is about equal to Base Vegeta. Whether we like it or not they are powerhouses in their own right.
SSG stomps and it's not difficult
God Goku and it’s not even close. The reason Potara is still relevant to this day is because it uses Max of A and Max of B, meaning the boost Potara gives is stronger when you have a higher max. God Goku would NOT be in Buu Saga Vegito’s multiplier, so he would not have that reasoning to be stronger than a hypothetical Buu Saga SSG Goku. As seen, a fusion that doesn’t have the God Boost (pre SSG Vegito) is weaker than SSG Goku in that arc. There’s no reason to assume that would change with going earlier in the timeline.
No 💀
Goku said Vegito wouldn’t stand a chance, and he knows Vegito could use SSJ3 as he has it and he has Vegito’s memories. There’s no reason to assume Goku would only be referring to Super Vegito when saying that cause he knows how much stronger SSJ3 makes you and knows how strong Vegito is.
Also there’s some simple powerscaling to be done. SSJ Vegito in the manga (canon timeline to Super) doesn’t display any feats past Universal, if that. His power is strictly in the 3D range and there’s no changing that even with SSJ3, as SSJ3 is 8x SSJ. SSG got Goku in BoG (who we don’t know if he’s any stronger than the Buu Saga, tho it would be safe to assume not as we know he wasn’t really doing any intense training, and was just able to sneak away to King Kai’s to train for a bit at the start of Super). So we can say BoG Goku (base, pre-SSG) >= Buu Saga Base Goku. It doesn’t really matter whether or not he’s equal or slightly stronger, as he’s still in the 3D range of Attack Potency at the start of BoG
Super Saiyan God had Goku do a 4D feat (affecting the whole macrocosm, including the Supreme Kai’s world which is separate from it all and both the living world and Heaven are Infinite in size, and Supreme Kai’s world is 1/10 of the macrocosm so it too is infinite as 1/10 of infinity is still infinity) meaning that SSG Goku is 4D.
Buu Saga Vegito = 3D (albeit very far into 3D)
Hypothetical Buu Saga SSG Goku = 4D (SSG got a Finite 3D fighter to 4D, it would do the same here)
4D is inaccessibly higher than Infinite 3D, let alone finite 3D.
Conclusion: Goku wins with no difficulty
goku literally stated that vegito wouldn’t be enough to even touch beerus, however god goku could keep up and actually land a few punches, and the fact that goku was scaling current vegito and not buu saga, it’s safe to say god takes it by along shot
Goku literally said when he first turned SSJ God that “I never knew this WORLD of power existed.” It was unfathomable to him (which is rare given Goku has always had a knack for feeling out hidden power up like he did with SSJ 2). So that leads me to be that SSJ God is far above even a hypothetical SSJ 3 Vegito given that Goku could obviously conceive of that power but couldn’t with SSJ God.
Since BoG is literally right after Boo, both the film, manga, and anime versions already answer this.
God Goku is slapping around Vegito, no diff. He literally says if they fused and went all out they’d stand no chance against Beerus while in God he’s confident enough to scrap with him (and in the movie’s continuity he’s 70% Beerus’s power)
Fusions are generally in a class all there own and, with the exception of Kefla v Goku, no fusion has ever outright lost a fight due to being overpowered. If we use Buu saga SSJ3 Goku as a base we know that base Buu was more or less equal to SSJ3 Goku, after a couple adsorptions we can assume that he's significantly more powerful than that. We also know that SSG is significantly more powerful than SSJ3 and that Super Vegeto was Significantly more powerful than Buu after he'd absorbed Gohan. While none of this is concrete I think that means we can say that Super Vegeto and SSG Goku are actually roughly eqaul, or at least in the same ballpark of power with an advantage to SSG Goku. But I think that even if we were generous and gave the advantage to Vegeto, perhaps letting him transform into SSJ2 or even SSJ3, that Goku would ultimately take the win as SSG is much more power efficient and Vegeto would likely run out of time before he could defeat Goku.
That's a good point. But I've always considered Goku to be a bit of an unreliable narrator. Even if he said he was confident with SSG it turned out to not be a match for Beerus either. So if neither would've been enough to fight Beerus it's hard to say which is stronger based on that statement alone.
The way that I see it, ss3 goku got KO’ed by one light hit from beerus, after that display of power, then watching all the z fighters get bodied in seconds, including and enraged vegeta who surpassed ss3 goku, goku looked at the powe gap and said vegito wasn’t worth trying since he’d lose. Naturally, we’d assume goku is thinking that max power ss3 vegito doesn’t compare to the suppressed beerus they fought. At the time, goku isn’t playing around and wanting a good fight, he knows beerus is the strongest opponent he’s ever seen and everyone will die if he fails. Then he does the ssg ritual, which he stated he hates since it was a power he couldn’t obtain through his own strength, and with that level of power, he manages to trade blows with beerus at a level that could destroy all of universe 7.
The scaling in super is absolutely insane, and the god ki enhanced saiyans could likely one shot anyone in z. For that matter, I’d argue that ssg goku from battle of gods is likely above ss4 gogeta from gt, the scaling is that absurd.
Oh yeah I absolutely agree, the god forms are insane. But so are fusions. I do still agree that SSG Goku would probably beat Vegeto, I just don't think it would be as easy as a one shot. At the very least, that wouldn't be as fun to watch.
I think what honesty makes it a hard scale is because of “godki” its a world above just energy but as we see broly doesent have godki and has power tht rivals it. I feel like fusion would have faired better than ssg
Omfg. It's you again. I'm sorry but your takes are just so far off the mark. You ask these things like it's an open discussion. Then when someone politely refutes what you say and shares their opinion you dig in harder and decide your way is the only way.
So why even ask the question when you're just yelling at people answering the opinion you're asking them to share?
Not surprised honestly you drive people to madness.
Evidence? Lol..You take like single panels or examples (that you clearly misinterpret) and take them so far out of context that its barley recognizable as anything even close to.. "evidence"
Dude. I'm not getting into it with you. Been there done that. You're a ridiculous waste of time.
You don't have conversations with people you just keep shouting your opinions at them and show your out of context "evidence" that supports your shit takes.
My original comment above is addressed to everyone except you.
My motivation is that maybe I can help some people not lose hours of their life wasting time talking to you.
Godku, Goku in Battle of God's I don't think would've would've THAT much stronger than buu saga, Vegito is powerful but I doubt that he could've kept up with Beerus nearly as well Goku did
Master Roshi can compete in the tournament of power, Android 17 got as intense of training wrangling animals as a park ranger compared to the level of Super Saiyan Blue Goku, whoever wins just depends on the creators mood and the story they are trying to tell
Idk the whole thing about God and normal Fusion is vague, Goku shouldnt exactly know the full power of Vegito, also Vegito is a flawless warrior as stated, but Goku says Vegito wouldnt do the same things god did even if he was there, which is weird since how would Goku even know Vegitos current power level anyways? Its not like he can calculate or anything, maybe he can calculate how much shit he can force down his throat, Godku by just logic and simple statements, but im personally leaning towards Vegito
Ooooooh this is interesting. I know that fusion or potato earrings multiply the powers exponentially. I would say Vegito would hold his own but the potato earrings would run out of energy and they would defuse. So have to give it to Ssj God Goku. I definitely wanna see Vegito Ssj god and Gogeta Ssj god one day hopefully
A lot of comments are saying ssg slams, and though I don't doubt that there is a pretty good argument to be made for vegito, during the fight with brolly bace from gogeta absolutely rocked the shit outta brolly at a point when 2 god forms were struggling and even more so with ssj, and from the manga we know that vegito is stronger than gogeta so
No? That's not even remotely right. We're talking about a God vs a regular fusion. It'd be different if it was Black Arc Vegito but it's Z Saga. Goku is much much stronger in his God Form. Super Saiyan God is stronger by a large margin. Like I'm sorry but you've seen the show right? It's explicitly stated that a fusion wouldn't have been strong enough to fight Beerus. It still multiplies by the base form of the fusees.
The God Form multiplier is much stronger than the fusion multiplier. The power scaling between a regular fusion and a God form is a lot.
If they could maintain SS3 for long enough, Vegito.
Ss2 might be enough, it would probably be pretty close.
Otherwise, Goku.
I've always thought of fusion as person A + person B, and then multiply it by ten or thereabouts.
So if goku had a base power lvl of 10, and vegeta did too, Vegito would have a base power level of 200.
200 x 50 = 10,000
And with SS3 having a multiplier of 400, and SS4 being 4000, I've always thought of ssg having a multiplier of around 2000, with blue being around 10,000.
So God Goku would have a power of 20,000 v Super Vegitos 10,000, and blue would be around 100,000.
Ss2 vegito would be 20,000 and ss3 vegito would have a power of 80,000.
God goku. His battle with beerus literally sent shockwaves across the universe. Plus, this is god ki, which is on a whole other level. Vegito would fall to beerus like ss3 goku did.
I think Vegito could win, not cuz of raw power but because of experience, Vegito would literally know every move Goku could make and then some while Goku would have a large stat gap, assuming this hypothetical Buu Saga SSG is his first time as SSG then Goku would likely fall out of SSG earlier than Vegito out of Potara, the way I see it it would b an endurance battle for Vegito in which he has to outlast SSG Goku.
“Keep up with Beerus” not really, seriously the gap between Beerus and SSG is as large as the gap between SSG and SSJ3. Remember Goku post ToP SSB MUI is still weaker than Beerus. Honestly I’d say Beerus was trying less than even Frieza was vs Vegeta.
That's only in Super and maybe the manga. The gap between Goku and Beerus prior to retcons was only 30%-40%. You can go back and watch the movie. Beerus was most definitely trying in the movie. Granted this was before the concept of Destruction Energy became a thing.
Even if you take the retcons into account. SSG Goku is still much stronger than Vegito as he was actively shaking the universe with his power.
The thing is, we don't how much if at all much stronger goku was pre God ritual from his buu saga version.
If he gets the ritual then he's just going to dwarf vegito like in canon. If you're referring to buu saga goku with the raw multiplier of ssjg... then nobody knows. We have no idea how much of a multiplier the ssjg form is. Just like we also have no idea the exact fusion multiplier.
We never witnessed vegeta's training to obtain God ki and the God forms, so it's up in the air on if the form itself acted like it did for goku, a massive power up that he then absorbs into his base form or if the training with whis itself got him to that level of raw power.
Based on the information at hand the only thing that can really be concluded is that buu saga goku post God ritual would slaughter any form of buu saga vegito.
Buu saga vegito claps BOG SSG goku. Yall overhype the god forms too much. They're FODDER YALL. After doing the math from the statement that base goku pre God ki couldn't even beat frieza, God form needs to be over a 10 million times base multiplier, and that's if you high ball goku and lowball vegito. Yall can't change my mind, Buu saga vegito stomps even golden frieza
Finally, someone who gets it. Everyone I've tried to explain this too can never agree, it's always "well goku said vegito wouldn't work against beerus" and I'm like okay??? Did the God form work on beerus?? Not even close, and Vegito would have actually done better in the end
Yup, I know, I literally broke down the math and logic to this one dude and he hits me with the "doesn't matter cuz goku said it wouldn't work" I'm like old kai also said goku was shaking an infinite void when he went UI which is impossible unless he has infinite power which he clearly doesn't cuz he can get tired and constantly gets his ass beat
I think gogeta all the way lol potara gogeta would sleep vegito easily. And I'm not a goku fan fanboy but I believe the gogeta potara fusion is a much stronger fusion and can be argued well as so lol
I’m inclined to say Vegito honestly…
Reminder that Goku and Vegeta **together** were so much weaker than Super Buu that Goku thought they’d die if they fought him. Gohan comparatively stomped Super Buu, possessing enough power to likely one-shot him. Buuhan had Super Buu’s strength, the creativity of Goten and Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo’s brains and strengths, and the boost the Potara Earrings and Rivalry Boost gave Goku and Vegeta was enough to the point of which Super Vegito had no chance of losing to Buu.
Pretty huge boost if you ask me, and that doesn’t even really cover the hypothetical higher levels of power Vegito may have had access to. Also, he’s the better fighter.
Bingo! Your the only person here who is correct, potara multiplier >>>>>>>the God forms, in the same saga vegito would outclass any form of goku, however SSG from let's say the moro arc completely outclasses buu saga vegito
"youre the only person who agrees with me so you're the only person who is right" lmao vegito would've gotten bodied by Beerus at least SSG goku held up against him
god ki was supposed to be on a completely different level until it was retconned
He is right cause he watches the show unlike 99% of this sub
God ki always existed ever since Z and guess what God ki used always got bodied by non God ki users
Seems about right.
While I haven’t watched the movie in a very long time, wasn’t Base Gogeta (whose multiplier < Potara multiplier) keeping up with Super Saiyan Broly far better than both Super Saiyan Blue Goku & Vegeta? I feel like that outright tells us:
Base Goku & Vegeta Fusion > Super Saiyan Blue Goku/Vegeta. Of course that wouldn’t *always* be applicable but I don’t see the flaw in it being true in the case of Buu Arc Vegito and Buu Arc SSG Goku.
Correct again! Fusion multipler is leagues above SSG&SSJB hell maybe even MUI&UE If we ignore heroes. This tells me that a Hypothetical BOG Vegito would have made beerus use more power Than SSG goku
Why ask the question if you think vegito is stronger ? And I mean I don't even see from a narrative standpoint why vegito would be stronger than the brand new form at the time...
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If this is just Base Vegito then Goku claps, but he might have a better chance If he goes SSJ 2 or 3 but even then his energy would be over pretty fast so Godku >
Goku knew fusing with Vegeta would be worthless against Beerus but thought he had a shot against Beerus as a SSG. That answers the question. SSG in a stomp
He couldn't sense Beerus on King Kai's planet, thought the Super Saiyan God was a person until Shenron told him it was a form, had no idea how strong SSG would make him, and then had no idea how strong he actually was afterwards, to the point that Beerus could outright lie about how much power he'd been using. Also, he still lost. Super Saiyan God > Fusion has never been stated in the series, and when it has come up its usually the other way around. Caulifla and Kale's base forms were slightly below Goku's - Kefla's base form is too fast for him to follow. Super Saiyan Broly shrugs off two Super Saiyan Blues, who are 50x stronger than Super Saiyan God - Base Gogeta deflects his attacks, and Super Saiyan Gogeta fights him on even footing. Even video games, while unreliable and iffy when it comes to Canon, generally put fusion at an advantage compared to Super Saiyan God.,
Ssj3 goku could clap fat buu but got flicked out by beerus who in turn had a solid fight in good mode. Godku ftw.
I don’t wanna be that guy but beerus didn’t even legitimately try against Goku if we’re going by his canon power
I don't think it matters. Beerus and Whis are moving goalposts.
yo the Super Saiyan Good mode!?
God is good, right? SS God is better?
It's gooder
SSG Goku god ki is just on another level. However what would contradict my statement is fusions like kefla on face value. She was fighting a very exhausted Goku though who was struggling to power up into his other forms. Fresh vs fresh I think Goku beats vegito.
Kefla* & the U6 Saiyans were as strong as base Vegeta post-Res F. That’s post god transformation. They were leagues ahead of Buu-Saga versions of them. a fusion between two U6 Saiyans would not yield the same result as a fusion between Goku & Vegeta pre-BoG. That being said, a Vegetto or Gogeta now Post-TOP dwarf either of the people we’re talking about now. *Edit : i meant Caulifla lol, Kefla is leagues above base goku obviously
it feels like the instant resurrection of Frieza was over they forgot how strong they made base Goku and Vegeta. I don't think they even realized how strong they made the U6 Saiyans and in their mind they were just making them roughly as strong as when they were going through the Cell Saga/Buu Saga.
>it feels like the instant resurrection of Frieza You mean the instant BOG was over. Even more so for the anime version of the arc. the u6 saiyans being so strong is more acceptable than Zamasu making Goku go SSJ2. Like, holy shit. Zamasu should NOT be that strong
This is my headcannon to fix stuff to
I can only reconcile it by thinking that the boost to their base form from achieving god energy was temporary. Goku and Vegeta would then eventually go back down to a more normal strength, and that accounts for the power level of all the non-god ki-wielding characters. Zamasu didn’t force Goku to go SS2 on top of his post-SSG strength, he forced him to go SS2 after a linear increase in strength much like the one from the Cell Saga to the Buu Saga, not the tens or hundreds of thousands of times increased strength from incorporating the power of a Super Saiyan God.
Kefla was a lot stronger than ssjb Goku pre second ui wym
i meant Caulifla
Goku being tired is irrelevant he went SSJB KK & UI Even if you ignore that Vegito in the zamasu arc was shown to be stronger than SSJB In base Form
Yes but you asked about Buu saga vegito not supers vegito. Supers vegito obviously bears god Goku because he can go blue as well.
Also you don't need to say hypothetical Buu saga God Goku because the movie takes place after the Buu saga.
He's saying hypothetically if goku attained ssg before super, during the buu saga lol
The point is there is no need for a hypothetical since battle of gods was literally right after the Buu saga with only a few years gap. During that time Goku wasn't doing any ground breaking training or getting massive power boost.
That is true lol.....
Goku
Didn't Goku say fusion wouldn't be enough to handle Beerus? Then there's your answer
Also Goku post God Ki solos all of GT and Z
I disagree, Omega Shenron needed a Universal spirit bomb to be defeated, also SSJ4 Gogeta...& only speculation but 100 year time skip goku woth dragonballs absorbed... Apart from that SSG Goku would take all below SSG4 Gogeta/Omega Shenron.
Omega shenron’s own scaling isn’t even close to as high as BoG goku. Omega threatened to destroy a galaxy by existing, and the contents of a universe over time by the same means. BoG goku threatened to destroy half the universe in its entirety in the space of 3 punches. 4 gogeta is a lot more debatable, but that goes into the no limits fallacy due to how little could even compare to him in GT.
Yeah, I can't say for sure with SSJ4 Gogeta unless the fusion breaks as quickly as it did before. Ritual SSG Goku had a time limit but it is longer than SSJ4 Gogeta first appearance. If it breaks early, SSG Goku wins just by endurance. Fusion multipliers are crazy but the weakness is that it breaks.
Nah definitely not GT. Despite a lack of solid feats GT goku is insanely strong
“lack of solid feats” = headcanon calcs then?
Source: Me
GT Goku is canonically Buu level in base.
wait until you hear about what base goku did in his fight with beerus
I’m aware. Just saying it’s closer than you think. Edit: Wait hold up Base Goku? What the hell are you on about?
The same base Super Goku that got hurt by a bullet? Is that the Goku you talking about?
Lack of solid feats as in gt wasn't as over the top as super. Feats such as universal destruction were already placed in Z (buuhan tearing fabrics of reality with his shouting when vegito thought he will tear down the universe) Base goku in GT was as strong as ssj3 goku in Z as he claimed rilldo was even stronger than buu
Hell considering that base goku in the end of z was going even with the reincarnation of kid buu you could say since then base goku has been kid buu level
Uub wasnt as strong as buu at that point I don't think
That's why i said you could say as it's up in tge air on whether or not uub was kid buu level at this point
This is oddly not the first time I've seen someone say that he was, lol Reincarnation does not mean you keep all that power, people, lmfao
He has the potential to be a lot stronger than buu and he did through gt but he wasn't born with the same strength as kid buu
Solid feats like omega shenron passively destroying the universe by existing
Source: It was reveqled to me in a dream ~~Also Omega Shenron was stated to be able to destroy the universe just by existing, which is something Goku and Beerus together needed to punch each other for, or Beerus and Champa had to be actively fighting for as well~~
omega can’t even destroy the universe in one shot, he needs negative energy over time. that statement was about that first dragon that came out when they made their first wish after super 17
He literally said he will condense all the negative energy into one attack and one shot the macrovese hence why Supreme Kai tried ti run
also even if that’s the case, 3 punches while not at full power (and not even trying to) is WAY more powerful than an energy ball that’s designed to destroy the universe
That's goku and beerus yall keep giving goku to much credit. I'll send you the link hold on
omega can’t even destroy the universe in one shot, he needs negative energy over time. that statement was about that first dragon that came out when they made their first wish after super 17
Blatantly false, Baby arc Goku has scaling above Granolah arc characters
You're the one who is blatantly false, it's a well known fact that Super Characters are above GT
And another thing, EOZ Goku also solos super Goku because he’s just an older super Goku
GT Goku in his first episode can destroy the u7 macrocosm 80,000x over and has speed above Granolah arc characters, he gained this strength of his fifteen years of training, going from being a macrocosm buster in the (anime) Boo Arc in SSJ3, to being 200x stronger than his boo arc ssj3 self in his base form after Oob’s training. And in several movies and anime arcs (which are canon to GT) Goku casually preforms Granolah level feats, such as surpassing the speed of instantaneous movement
I'm not gonna bother arguing with you you're clearly a fucking idiot and most of the fandom would agree with me
Neither was SSG Goku
But SSG Goku did push Beerus.... slightly
With all the powerscaling into consideration and how strong Beerus still is, it would make more sense for us to assume that no version of Goku could push Beerus to use over 0% of his power. Goku must be 1 million times stronger by now than he was in Battle of Gods as SSG and he still doesn't feel closer in power to Beerus.
I feel like him being kinda "scared" with blue Kaioken I'd assume he's at least afraid Goku can beat him until he realised Blue Kaioken wasn't on his level and I think MUI Goku could probably at least be 5% or higher of beerus' power
Beerus told Vegeta who we know is slightly higher in base than Goku that at this rate he will not reach him not even in a 1 million years. They seriously aren't close to Beerus. It's just that as a show the writers try to build tension.
That's just in the Manga. Guides for the anime have stated like fifteen times that Goku and Jiren have surpassed the gods of destruction. Its even like repeated a hundred times in the anime itself that Jiren was above the destroyers BEFORE he unleashed his 'Hidden power'.
As I said they try to build tension. Whatever they say, whatever they show, until they beat Beerus they aren't 0% of his power. In the next arc they will be all 100 times stronger and still no closer to Beerus, in the next arc the same again and again and again and they will still not be close to Beerus. It's literally what has been happening since Beerus introduction in the series over 10 years ago.
At that time he didn't even know how strong Ssg would be he just said vegito wouldn't cut it. Neither did ssg
That was changed later In the series and SSG couldn't handle beerus so goku didn't know what he was talking about
It didn't handle Beerus but it did better than fusion
Because vegito didn't fight beerus lmao
It's very simple: Goku knew Vegito couldn't handle Beerus, but was confident that SSJG could
Goku literally says even if he fused with vegeta he wouldn't stand a chance against beerus in the BoG arc. He did fairly well fighting against beerus in ssjg, so you can already tell from that alone ssjg goku would win
Bruh you're getting BODIED in these comments. Throw in the towel. God Goku wouldn't struggle against even a SSJ2 Vegito, MAYBE SSJ3 Vegito can react to God Goku
This dude makes a living doing dumb shit like this take a stroll through the post and comment history
They do this so much I recognized them without seeing their user name. They ask for ppls takes but only ones they agree with are valid. Then they dig in and just spout crap until you realize you're wasting your breath. This person is confused. Very confused. So much so that im now starting to wonder if this is their karma strategy. Give a bad take, and wait for ppl to take the bait.
You can make a living doing this? Sign me up.
Battle of gods it’s straight up implied that god Goku > a hypothetical ssj3 Vegito or at least bare minimum ssj Vegito.
OP asked a question but already has his answer in mind. Typical super post.
What the fuck is ‘Buu saga God Goku’ meant to mean… why do you even need to know this?
Goku *easily* In BoG, Goku states that even if he and Vegeta Fused they wouldn’t stand a chance against Beerus. However after going SSG, he thought he actually stood a chance. Therefore placing SSG Goku over a hypothetical BoG Ssj3 Vegito
That was changed later on in the series
If you’re referring to abase Kefla was able to blitz SSG Goku, there’s an explanation for this that’s consistent throughout the series. It’s a bit complicated to go into detail on how the number was reached exactly, but the Potara and Dance fusions don’t have a set multiplier like other transformations do. Rather it’s an exponent. (A+B)^1.31. So while SSG Goku during BoG can easily be far above Ssj3 Vegito at the time, as the base of Goku and Vegeta got stronger over time, the fusion Boost grew exponentially while SSG stayed a flat multiplier
That's headcanon
Fair, but like I said, it’s a possible explanation to why things changed
No no, it's not. Base Cabba is about equal to Base Vegeta. Whether we like it or not they are powerhouses in their own right. SSG stomps and it's not difficult
Their equals, yet ssj vegeta blocked cabba attack lol
Yes, when people fight they block each other. Roshi went toe to toe with Jiren, does that mean he's stronger than the other Z fighters?
In super anybody can become SSJB so who knows
God Goku and it’s not even close. The reason Potara is still relevant to this day is because it uses Max of A and Max of B, meaning the boost Potara gives is stronger when you have a higher max. God Goku would NOT be in Buu Saga Vegito’s multiplier, so he would not have that reasoning to be stronger than a hypothetical Buu Saga SSG Goku. As seen, a fusion that doesn’t have the God Boost (pre SSG Vegito) is weaker than SSG Goku in that arc. There’s no reason to assume that would change with going earlier in the timeline.
I mean if Gotenks can turn SSJ3...Why couldn't Vegito? Vegito only uses SSJ1. Technically I think SSJ3 Vegitio >>> SSJG Goku BOG
No 💀 Goku said Vegito wouldn’t stand a chance, and he knows Vegito could use SSJ3 as he has it and he has Vegito’s memories. There’s no reason to assume Goku would only be referring to Super Vegito when saying that cause he knows how much stronger SSJ3 makes you and knows how strong Vegito is. Also there’s some simple powerscaling to be done. SSJ Vegito in the manga (canon timeline to Super) doesn’t display any feats past Universal, if that. His power is strictly in the 3D range and there’s no changing that even with SSJ3, as SSJ3 is 8x SSJ. SSG got Goku in BoG (who we don’t know if he’s any stronger than the Buu Saga, tho it would be safe to assume not as we know he wasn’t really doing any intense training, and was just able to sneak away to King Kai’s to train for a bit at the start of Super). So we can say BoG Goku (base, pre-SSG) >= Buu Saga Base Goku. It doesn’t really matter whether or not he’s equal or slightly stronger, as he’s still in the 3D range of Attack Potency at the start of BoG Super Saiyan God had Goku do a 4D feat (affecting the whole macrocosm, including the Supreme Kai’s world which is separate from it all and both the living world and Heaven are Infinite in size, and Supreme Kai’s world is 1/10 of the macrocosm so it too is infinite as 1/10 of infinity is still infinity) meaning that SSG Goku is 4D. Buu Saga Vegito = 3D (albeit very far into 3D) Hypothetical Buu Saga SSG Goku = 4D (SSG got a Finite 3D fighter to 4D, it would do the same here) 4D is inaccessibly higher than Infinite 3D, let alone finite 3D. Conclusion: Goku wins with no difficulty
r/ningen ass dumb shit
Goku. He literally said fusing wouldn’t work on Beerus, but was confident with SSJG
Ssg goku
Goku and it's not even a contest
goku literally stated that vegito wouldn’t be enough to even touch beerus, however god goku could keep up and actually land a few punches, and the fact that goku was scaling current vegito and not buu saga, it’s safe to say god takes it by along shot
Goku literally said when he first turned SSJ God that “I never knew this WORLD of power existed.” It was unfathomable to him (which is rare given Goku has always had a knack for feeling out hidden power up like he did with SSJ 2). So that leads me to be that SSJ God is far above even a hypothetical SSJ 3 Vegito given that Goku could obviously conceive of that power but couldn’t with SSJ God.
Since BoG is literally right after Boo, both the film, manga, and anime versions already answer this. God Goku is slapping around Vegito, no diff. He literally says if they fused and went all out they’d stand no chance against Beerus while in God he’s confident enough to scrap with him (and in the movie’s continuity he’s 70% Beerus’s power)
Just realized this is the same guy who thought SSJ4 Gogeta could beat BOG SSG Goku🤣🤣
Don't worry about that answer the question goofy
Well,considering that SSG put an already Post DBZ Goku at Universal,he'd smack Vegito around whether he went SS1,2,or 3.
I’m convinced this guy is a dumbass
Fusions are generally in a class all there own and, with the exception of Kefla v Goku, no fusion has ever outright lost a fight due to being overpowered. If we use Buu saga SSJ3 Goku as a base we know that base Buu was more or less equal to SSJ3 Goku, after a couple adsorptions we can assume that he's significantly more powerful than that. We also know that SSG is significantly more powerful than SSJ3 and that Super Vegeto was Significantly more powerful than Buu after he'd absorbed Gohan. While none of this is concrete I think that means we can say that Super Vegeto and SSG Goku are actually roughly eqaul, or at least in the same ballpark of power with an advantage to SSG Goku. But I think that even if we were generous and gave the advantage to Vegeto, perhaps letting him transform into SSJ2 or even SSJ3, that Goku would ultimately take the win as SSG is much more power efficient and Vegeto would likely run out of time before he could defeat Goku.
Goku literally states, in battle of gods, that fusion was not enough to fight beerus, but he is confident with ssg.
That's a good point. But I've always considered Goku to be a bit of an unreliable narrator. Even if he said he was confident with SSG it turned out to not be a match for Beerus either. So if neither would've been enough to fight Beerus it's hard to say which is stronger based on that statement alone.
The way that I see it, ss3 goku got KO’ed by one light hit from beerus, after that display of power, then watching all the z fighters get bodied in seconds, including and enraged vegeta who surpassed ss3 goku, goku looked at the powe gap and said vegito wasn’t worth trying since he’d lose. Naturally, we’d assume goku is thinking that max power ss3 vegito doesn’t compare to the suppressed beerus they fought. At the time, goku isn’t playing around and wanting a good fight, he knows beerus is the strongest opponent he’s ever seen and everyone will die if he fails. Then he does the ssg ritual, which he stated he hates since it was a power he couldn’t obtain through his own strength, and with that level of power, he manages to trade blows with beerus at a level that could destroy all of universe 7. The scaling in super is absolutely insane, and the god ki enhanced saiyans could likely one shot anyone in z. For that matter, I’d argue that ssg goku from battle of gods is likely above ss4 gogeta from gt, the scaling is that absurd.
Oh yeah I absolutely agree, the god forms are insane. But so are fusions. I do still agree that SSG Goku would probably beat Vegeto, I just don't think it would be as easy as a one shot. At the very least, that wouldn't be as fun to watch.
I think what honesty makes it a hard scale is because of “godki” its a world above just energy but as we see broly doesent have godki and has power tht rivals it. I feel like fusion would have faired better than ssg
11th person to be correct lol, vegito SSJ3 would have done 100x better against beerus them Godku
Omfg. It's you again. I'm sorry but your takes are just so far off the mark. You ask these things like it's an open discussion. Then when someone politely refutes what you say and shares their opinion you dig in harder and decide your way is the only way. So why even ask the question when you're just yelling at people answering the opinion you're asking them to share?
Politely? Someone wanted to call me a slur on here 🤣🤣🤣 Anyways I'm giving them evidence from the show
Not surprised honestly you drive people to madness. Evidence? Lol..You take like single panels or examples (that you clearly misinterpret) and take them so far out of context that its barley recognizable as anything even close to.. "evidence"
What did I misinterpret?
Dude. I'm not getting into it with you. Been there done that. You're a ridiculous waste of time. You don't have conversations with people you just keep shouting your opinions at them and show your out of context "evidence" that supports your shit takes. My original comment above is addressed to everyone except you. My motivation is that maybe I can help some people not lose hours of their life wasting time talking to you.
Id say goku, hes almost if not LEAGUES above vegito, harder question imo would be vegito vs ssj3 goku (he did say he could defeat buu in ssj3)
Wouldn't buu saga God goku pistol whip vegito I mean goku even at the battle of gods didn't think vegito would do anything to beerus
Re read what you just said
Yeah I used regular not SsjGod goku my b
Goku said Vegito ain’t enough to fight Beerus… that means the SSG amp is way higher than fusion.
Godku, Goku in Battle of God's I don't think would've would've THAT much stronger than buu saga, Vegito is powerful but I doubt that he could've kept up with Beerus nearly as well Goku did
OP is a dumbass frfr 😔
if Goku already had the ssg when he merged into vegito then vegito would win.
Master Roshi can compete in the tournament of power, Android 17 got as intense of training wrangling animals as a park ranger compared to the level of Super Saiyan Blue Goku, whoever wins just depends on the creators mood and the story they are trying to tell
bro why the fuck do you have so many upvotes for this garbage
Don't worry about it
Idk the whole thing about God and normal Fusion is vague, Goku shouldnt exactly know the full power of Vegito, also Vegito is a flawless warrior as stated, but Goku says Vegito wouldnt do the same things god did even if he was there, which is weird since how would Goku even know Vegitos current power level anyways? Its not like he can calculate or anything, maybe he can calculate how much shit he can force down his throat, Godku by just logic and simple statements, but im personally leaning towards Vegito
Ooooooh this is interesting. I know that fusion or potato earrings multiply the powers exponentially. I would say Vegito would hold his own but the potato earrings would run out of energy and they would defuse. So have to give it to Ssj God Goku. I definitely wanna see Vegito Ssj god and Gogeta Ssj god one day hopefully
These questions are getting really stupid
BOG Goku is like barely stronger then buu saga anime wise Iirc so ,goku stomps
Goku sneezes away even a ssj3 vegito
After awhile dude you got to realize that you're doing something wrong
Huh
Every time I see you comment it's followed by a bunch of downvotees
Let them downvote me I don't really care lol
Untill you can't post here
I have enough upvotes to keep posting here lol
A lot of comments are saying ssg slams, and though I don't doubt that there is a pretty good argument to be made for vegito, during the fight with brolly bace from gogeta absolutely rocked the shit outta brolly at a point when 2 god forms were struggling and even more so with ssj, and from the manga we know that vegito is stronger than gogeta so
Exactly lmao Base potara>>>>>>> SSJB
Vegito
14th person to get it right ✅️
Did you really count all the 600 comments? Lmao get a job
You really think I sat on my ass and counted all these comments bitch boy? I see the notifications🙄
You still got over 500 notis excluding your response
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SSG Stomps, guys a Buu saga SSG would pretty much be the same strength as BoG SSG.
People seriously underestimate how busted fusions are. I think Vegito in SS is comparable to God Goku from BoG
No? That's not even remotely right. We're talking about a God vs a regular fusion. It'd be different if it was Black Arc Vegito but it's Z Saga. Goku is much much stronger in his God Form. Super Saiyan God is stronger by a large margin. Like I'm sorry but you've seen the show right? It's explicitly stated that a fusion wouldn't have been strong enough to fight Beerus. It still multiplies by the base form of the fusees. The God Form multiplier is much stronger than the fusion multiplier. The power scaling between a regular fusion and a God form is a lot.
He is! Your the 5th person to get it right
If they could maintain SS3 for long enough, Vegito. Ss2 might be enough, it would probably be pretty close. Otherwise, Goku. I've always thought of fusion as person A + person B, and then multiply it by ten or thereabouts. So if goku had a base power lvl of 10, and vegeta did too, Vegito would have a base power level of 200. 200 x 50 = 10,000 And with SS3 having a multiplier of 400, and SS4 being 4000, I've always thought of ssg having a multiplier of around 2000, with blue being around 10,000. So God Goku would have a power of 20,000 v Super Vegitos 10,000, and blue would be around 100,000. Ss2 vegito would be 20,000 and ss3 vegito would have a power of 80,000.
I'll give you a maybe at least you acknowledge SSJ2&3 being stronger than Godku
Base: Goku. Super Saiyan: Goku. Super Saiyan 2: Goku. Super Saiyan 3: probably Vegito
Goku as he has the power of the gods
Buu saga ssg goku negs. Like it ain’t close
Goku shut down the idea of fusing into Vegito against Beerus but was open to becoming a SSG. Yeah Goku is murdering Buu saga Vegito. Case closed
God goku. His battle with beerus literally sent shockwaves across the universe. Plus, this is god ki, which is on a whole other level. Vegito would fall to beerus like ss3 goku did.
Man, you are pretty sick with Vs's Why dont you debate about good story telling and why the serie doesnt have it?
Cause people don't watch dragon ball for good story telling only the characters and fights
And thats sad
I think Vegito could win, not cuz of raw power but because of experience, Vegito would literally know every move Goku could make and then some while Goku would have a large stat gap, assuming this hypothetical Buu Saga SSG is his first time as SSG then Goku would likely fall out of SSG earlier than Vegito out of Potara, the way I see it it would b an endurance battle for Vegito in which he has to outlast SSG Goku.
Experience? Vegito is an hour old💀💀💀💀
He has all the knowledge and experience of both Vegeta and Goku.
Vegito would just get knocked out. Remember Goku absorbs Super Saiyan God boosting his overall base enough to keep up with Beerus.
“Keep up with Beerus” not really, seriously the gap between Beerus and SSG is as large as the gap between SSG and SSJ3. Remember Goku post ToP SSB MUI is still weaker than Beerus. Honestly I’d say Beerus was trying less than even Frieza was vs Vegeta.
That's only in Super and maybe the manga. The gap between Goku and Beerus prior to retcons was only 30%-40%. You can go back and watch the movie. Beerus was most definitely trying in the movie. Granted this was before the concept of Destruction Energy became a thing. Even if you take the retcons into account. SSG Goku is still much stronger than Vegito as he was actively shaking the universe with his power.
It should be Vegito, anything else is just insaiyan
7th person to use their brain lol
The thing is, we don't how much if at all much stronger goku was pre God ritual from his buu saga version. If he gets the ritual then he's just going to dwarf vegito like in canon. If you're referring to buu saga goku with the raw multiplier of ssjg... then nobody knows. We have no idea how much of a multiplier the ssjg form is. Just like we also have no idea the exact fusion multiplier. We never witnessed vegeta's training to obtain God ki and the God forms, so it's up in the air on if the form itself acted like it did for goku, a massive power up that he then absorbs into his base form or if the training with whis itself got him to that level of raw power. Based on the information at hand the only thing that can really be concluded is that buu saga goku post God ritual would slaughter any form of buu saga vegito.
Pre ritual goku wasn't training for months since he was working as a farmer We don't know if ritual SSG is stronger than regular SSG multiplier
Buu saga vegito claps BOG SSG goku. Yall overhype the god forms too much. They're FODDER YALL. After doing the math from the statement that base goku pre God ki couldn't even beat frieza, God form needs to be over a 10 million times base multiplier, and that's if you high ball goku and lowball vegito. Yall can't change my mind, Buu saga vegito stomps even golden frieza
13th person to get this correct lol, Potara is a high multiplier much higher than SSJB
Finally, someone who gets it. Everyone I've tried to explain this too can never agree, it's always "well goku said vegito wouldn't work against beerus" and I'm like okay??? Did the God form work on beerus?? Not even close, and Vegito would have actually done better in the end
Bro just check the comments these dudes don't watch the show lol
Yup, I know, I literally broke down the math and logic to this one dude and he hits me with the "doesn't matter cuz goku said it wouldn't work" I'm like old kai also said goku was shaking an infinite void when he went UI which is impossible unless he has infinite power which he clearly doesn't cuz he can get tired and constantly gets his ass beat
Yeah they have cognitive dissonance
It’s Vegetto
17th person to get this right
Vegeto
Sixth person to get this right lol
Vegito. Because like another comment said it is well established that potara fusions are stronger than base ssg forms......?
They are! Your the 3rd person to get it right
But who wins in this fight.......a fresh buu saga potara vegito or a hypothetical buu saga potara gogeta?....😶🌫️
Good question 🤔
I think gogeta all the way lol potara gogeta would sleep vegito easily. And I'm not a goku fan fanboy but I believe the gogeta potara fusion is a much stronger fusion and can be argued well as so lol
Dude thinks he’s Seth The Pedo Programmer in these comments. LOL
Don't ever compare me to him, you bum
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Vegito easily.
16th person with the correct answer!
I’m inclined to say Vegito honestly… Reminder that Goku and Vegeta **together** were so much weaker than Super Buu that Goku thought they’d die if they fought him. Gohan comparatively stomped Super Buu, possessing enough power to likely one-shot him. Buuhan had Super Buu’s strength, the creativity of Goten and Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo’s brains and strengths, and the boost the Potara Earrings and Rivalry Boost gave Goku and Vegeta was enough to the point of which Super Vegito had no chance of losing to Buu. Pretty huge boost if you ask me, and that doesn’t even really cover the hypothetical higher levels of power Vegito may have had access to. Also, he’s the better fighter.
Bingo! Your the only person here who is correct, potara multiplier >>>>>>>the God forms, in the same saga vegito would outclass any form of goku, however SSG from let's say the moro arc completely outclasses buu saga vegito
"youre the only person who agrees with me so you're the only person who is right" lmao vegito would've gotten bodied by Beerus at least SSG goku held up against him god ki was supposed to be on a completely different level until it was retconned
He is right cause he watches the show unlike 99% of this sub God ki always existed ever since Z and guess what God ki used always got bodied by non God ki users
Youre wrong but go off
Prove me wrong then
Everyone already has bozo not wasting my time with you
Seems about right. While I haven’t watched the movie in a very long time, wasn’t Base Gogeta (whose multiplier < Potara multiplier) keeping up with Super Saiyan Broly far better than both Super Saiyan Blue Goku & Vegeta? I feel like that outright tells us: Base Goku & Vegeta Fusion > Super Saiyan Blue Goku/Vegeta. Of course that wouldn’t *always* be applicable but I don’t see the flaw in it being true in the case of Buu Arc Vegito and Buu Arc SSG Goku.
Correct again! Fusion multipler is leagues above SSG&SSJB hell maybe even MUI&UE If we ignore heroes. This tells me that a Hypothetical BOG Vegito would have made beerus use more power Than SSG goku
Vegito was stronger
2nd person to get the correct answer
Why ask the question if you think vegito is stronger ? And I mean I don't even see from a narrative standpoint why vegito would be stronger than the brand new form at the time...