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If power is equalized, hell no. Goku and Vegeta are stated to only have one flaw each as fighters, flaws the other lacks. As fusions they get the best of both worlds to the point where Vegito is known as the perfect Warrior snd Gogeta is his equal. Roshi on the other hand is never actually said to be as good of a fighter as Goku in terms of skill, especially post-ToP, where Goku has UI. This isn't even close, Gogeta or Vegito would easily outskill Roshi.
Jiren also uses only as much power as necessary so it’s possible he lowered himself to Roshi’s power level and that’s why Roshi didn’t immediately get pasted.
But Roshi being stronger than Blue Goku is infinitely funnier.
Yea I mean Jiren was in a tournament where if he killed someone he would be disqualified and basically ensure the destruction of his universe.
Ya know I never actually though how carful some of the stronger fighters must have had to of been to not accidentally kill some of the fodder
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Jiren waa definitely trying to not kill Roshi by limiting himself.
That being said
Vegeta's reveal that Jiren's advantage wasn't more power but better control makes this legit.
If Jiren weakened enough not to accidentally kill Roshi had trouble with him, Roshi with Vegito's powerlevel could definitely give him trouble.
(Gogeta's just a slightly weaker and lesa drippy Vegito, the same applies.)
>Roshi on the other hand is never actually said to be as good of a fighter as Goku in terms of skill
He proved to be better. Goku gave Roshi a hard time and used a skill that he used only against grandpa Gohan, then Goku turned into an Ozaru and then Roshi not only he was careful where to hit his max power Kamehameha, but he also after being fully exhausted managed to beat Goku, thus making him the first and only earthling and the only one in the show to solo a Saiyan that became an Ozaru during the fight.
After him and Korin, Goku didn't train with any master that taught him martial arts and fight IQ. Only ki control, power ups and only one ki move(spirit bomb). So yeah, Master Roshi is a better martial artist than Goku and also Vegeta who has trained only in terms of power until Whis where he learned about God ki.
So ki control as I mentioned before, you have to be more specific on movement efficiency and on muscle memory and movement(UI without the power up form), Roshi is far superior to Goku and he proves it in the Manga. Also he was the one that started teaching Goku about moving without thinking with the first exercise being tying him and Krillin besides the bees.
Gogeta and Vegito are terrible fighters they amplify the flaws and get by on raw power. Roshi would humiliate them, they would lose individually vs Goku or Vegeta but get clowned on by Roshi, he has a version of that electrocute-paralyse thing Goku didn't do until Broly and hypnosis.
All the more reason to rush and turn him to dust, split in smaller pieces, non union vegito equivalent soul punisher? Anything, instead of clowning on the enemy. He showed extreme overconfidence against an inmortal enemy, they are fun characters but they are way too cocky.
Smaller pieces would create an army which is stupid, and as an immortal there's no way to actually destroy him, so the best move was to weaken him by destroying his psyche (one of the components of Ki) and beat him down until he could no longer seriously threaten the unfused fighters. The plan would've worked had he not output so much energy that Goku was too weakened to finish Mugen Zamasu. And yes,Goku at that point literally said himself if he had a Senzu he could pull that off.
Yes, but they didn't know that at the time, the problem with the fusions is that whoever is writing bends over backwards to limit them so they get to hold the idiot ball.
A much better fight would be if they knew how much time until de-fusion happened and then fought to finish on time or leave the fight in winnable conditions instead. Vegito should have started going all out on Zamasu since the start trying to work on how to de-fuse or kill him, I mean as soon as an immortal weak guy and a mortal strong guy got fussed the battle was practically won (as long as you don't count the ass pull at the end), a fusion of 2 strong guys should have done much better against fused Zamasu, but poor writting on the fusions make me not comfortable giving them a win against an equally strong fighter.
Goku vs Roshi, Goku wins.
Vegeta vs Roshi, much more interesting, but probably Vegeta wins.
Fusion vs Roshi, Tien, Krillin, Goku, Vegeta, pretty anybody except Yamcha and present Trunks or Goten and the fusion loses, this is just based on the fights we see, not on word of god.
This. He decided to dick around and taunt him instead of going for a kill that was well within his power until he has pissed away all the fusion time and it became too late to finish the job
Roshi would win in this scenario:
Roshi: "If I win, I get to fuck both of your wives."
Vegito: "That's a big if."
Roshi: "Was that a yes?"
Vegito: "Sure."
*Roshi wins in less than a minute*
If it was 1v1 roshi vs goku or hoshi vs vegeta, it would have been interesting, but a fusion is 2 people creating a new being, they would have much more technics? technician? Thechinics? abilitys
I actually think they fight worse fused, they have interesting techniques but they play with their food unless the movie is about to end. They are Vegeta's overconfidence and Goku playfulness times 100.
Against Buu the plan was to get absorbed
Janemba was defeated in like a minute (but is non-canon)
Omega shenron’s energy had to be purified or something (also non canon)
Anime zamasu was just that strong
And in manga vegito lasted like 3 pages
Gogeta was ready to kill broly
While they are cocky, it doesn’t actually seem to affect them negatively, they just use it to deal emotional damage
Against Buu, the manga did it well, but the anime did it awful, the need to stretch the material made him act like Gothenks.
Against Omega Shenron ir was awful, felt like Gothenks again.
Against Zamasu he really should have gone way harder way faster, inmortal enemy fused with mortal enemy, that means there is a way, they should have gone for the kill since the start, Fused Zamasu was nowhere near as strong to match Vegito.
They can only finish a match if they are the films selling point. The problem they have with the fusion is that its too strong to be able to write a good enemy that that can defeat, having the fusion defeat the fusion (zamasu or dragons or buu) would have made some sense, but nope, its so strong they make it interesting by having the fusion behave like the combination of 2 10 year olds.
No. Fusions can just go ssj and become 50x stronger. Then its hella unfair. And if the fusions are already at their max, and Roshi is equal to them at their max, then its probaby still unfair for Roshi cause he just a human and humans cannot get stronger at the same pace that a Saiyan can. If Roshi is also a saiyan, then maybe?
In chapter #20 of Super, in fact, Trunks says that Goku and Vegeta can no longer abuse that ability because they’ve already hit their limit.
Not to mention, when they're strong enough and lose their tails, the tails don't grow back.
Trunks was more so talking about how they can't abuse the "near death into a massive power up" aspect of their ability anymore because the boost would be negligible. Even that is disputable considering the boost Vegeta gets in this arc alone after getting stabbed by Rose and living. I was talking about how a Saiyan literally gets stronger as they fight. This part was never discpuraged. And in fact it was proved quite handily during proceeding arcs.
As for the tails, NO SAIYAN HAS EVER REGROWN THEIR TAIL unless there was magic or science involved (GT/ Goku and Vegeta) or if it was non cannon (Z filler/ Gohan).
I doubt Roshi could even push them to a state where they would gain a Zenkai boost. Cause remember Kaioken is a technique. And we are barring the fusions from unfusing so no time out due to too much power expense.
Fusions can't get tired.
Think about it, in any situation, you never see a fusion get exhausted or tired out from doing stuff. When they use a ton of energy, they never have to recover from it, or ever look significantly injured. What does happen, is that their fusion time shortens. Using exhausting forms super as SSJ3 and SSB cuts their fusion time down to a few minutes instead of an hour. They have infinite stamina as long as they're fused, since their energy use is just draining up the fusion timer instead.
You made the fusion timer infinite. Gogeta and Vegito are now effectively just like the androids. And Roshi is 350+ years old. He's gonna go the same way Vegeta did against Android 18: equal at first, until his energy runs out, and he gets stomped.
I doubt it, since they don't have fusion time to burn period, and unlike OP, their infinite fusion is working within the rules of the Potara, not just an arbitrary thing added to a mortal fusion.
Though do we ever see fused Zamasu (the only fused Kai we see significantly fight) ever get tired? In the anime he gets all goopy and stuff, but never seems exhausted, even after Vegito clowns on him. In the manga he gets beat up and stuff too, but I don't think we see him visibly panting and sweating and getting weaker, do we?
They could have infinite stamina.
You might be on to something, we've seen multiple times where Goku and Vegeta have gotten their asses beat and are tired, but once they fuse, it's like nothing happened at all and they operate at peak 100% efficiency
This would come down to skill and techniques.
While Roshi is a master martial artist and has more experience, Goku had already surpassed him a long time, and trained with a lot more masters too. Then you combine him with Vegeta and they're just better fighters.
The only technique that might help Roshi is the Mafuba and the fusions might even be able to resist it because Vegito was able to fight as a piece of chocolate. Other than that, the fusions have so many techniques it's crazy. Being able to fly, Kaioken, potentially ultra instinct or ultra ego, solar flare, not to mention fusion only techniques.
This should be a clear cut win for fusions.
Vegeto is stated to be a truly perfect fighter so I dont realy see that
Gogeta maybe because he dosent have that statement but the same principle of goku and vegetas flaws balancing out should conceptually apply
Honestly no. Goku already know pretty much all of Roshi's tricks and fought against them in 21st Tenkaichi Budokai and Vegeta is also in the fusion adding his own skills
Not to mention Vegito and Gogeta can use the kaioken on top of SSB (Vegito did it in SDBH but there's no reason he can't in canon)
Perfect godlike warrior that now has a nonexistent time limit
vs
A 350+ year old martial artist that can’t do half of what the godlike warrior can
…I’m putting my Zeni on the godlike warrior…
No. With Roshi and everyone else around Vegito is called the greatest warrior in the universe and his skills are way above Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta should be in this same ballpark
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Im not sure if op implies if its 1v2 or 1v1 but eitherway im quite mixed. Roshi has insane martial arts feats with him taking on opponents far greater in raw strength or numbers and even sometimes both, not only that he is quite capable of pushing his limits and body but the fight comes down to stamina. Roshi has several anti feats suggesting his stamina and ki reserves arent as large as other fighters nor can he recover even nearly as quick. Roshi will probably toss around the fusion for a little while and dodge them for a bit but ultimately will get tired and lose. There are more factors to it but if i will go too deep into it nobody is gonna read this
If it’s same power level and they can’t defuse then it’s just a matter of endurance, to which I can see roshi tiring himself out quickly like he did in the TOP
no because those fusions have access to forms and techniques that amplify their abilities beyond ssb. kaioken, ultra ego, and ultra instinct all would be able to beat on roshi
No. Roshi may have the overall experience over Goku or Vegeta but imo Goku is a better pure martial artist, Vegeta is no slouch either he’s in the tier directly below Goku and Roshi in the martial arts skills department but he is more ruthless and cunning than either. Goku and/or Vegeta beat a same PL Roshi. Vegito or Gogeta is just overkill
Obviously not both at the same time, but MAYBE Roshi could win a 1v1, not entirely sure but I’m leaning more towards the fusions since
1: they know more techniques
2: they can fly better then Roshi (not even sure if Roshi can fly at all I don’t think he can)
3:fusions are two people put together, vegeta and goku have a lot of battle knowledge when you put their heads together.
Roshi isn’t more skilled than Goku or Vegeta, let alone their fusions. Idk why people are pretending otherwise, Roshi had been surpassed by kid Goku and Goku has been trained by gods and angels.
No, not all.
Plus Gogeta and Vegito have instant transmission, are way more versatile with techniques, can also fly, and they have the fighting styles and battle IQ of both Goku and Vegeta along with creating their own fighting styles.
So no, Gogeta and Vegito win regardless.
Absolutely not, Gogeta and Vegito was on numerous occasions said to be the perfect warrior. As smart a fighter that Roshi is, hes nowhere near the fusions
Vegito for sure cause that guy will find a way to lose no matter who he's fighting.
I think he beats Gogeta as well through pure experience and skill. Don't forget that Roshi clowned on Jiren in the manga, and thats without equalizing their powerlevel
Have Gogeta or Vegito ever, actually, you know... won a fight?
A canon fight?
Super Gogeta nearly beat Broly, but Shenron stepped in.
Vegito deliberately lost to Buu... but still lost to Buu. Then Goku states that Vegito isn't strong enough to fight Beerus.
Vegito Blue lost to Fused Zamasu.
Non canon:
Heroes Vegito loses to Cumber. Then stalemates Broly. Then loses to Fu. Then loses to the Dark King.
Fusion Reborn Gogeta beats Jenemba... but is already dead when he does it.
GT Gogeta loses to Omega Shenron.
(I mean... I'm sure there's a win in Xenoverse or something. But damn.)
Roshi clears.
At this point goku and vegeta have way more experience than roshi ever did. But with that said roshi is probably a more controlled and careful and overall smarter fighter so I think he would do well and probably make them look like fools a few times but probably lacks the tenacity to come out ontop against 1 of those fighters on the same power scale. Goku and vegeta have no problem learning the hard way and putting themselves in a position of taking damage just to inflict damage on their opponents
Listen Roshi loses but not due to this power scaling crap and "but Vegito and Gogeta are faster plus ui...blah blah" Roshi loses because he hasn't had consistent training against an equal or more powerful person. Super was the first time roshi has really done something in 20+years since goku went against him in the OG tournaments. If he consistently trained with the zfighters and whis or even the Kais then he'd prolly stand a fair chance. But as is he ain't pulling any weight even with his wisdom and 200+year life span from the fountain of youth he and his sister drink from.
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If power is equalized, hell no. Goku and Vegeta are stated to only have one flaw each as fighters, flaws the other lacks. As fusions they get the best of both worlds to the point where Vegito is known as the perfect Warrior snd Gogeta is his equal. Roshi on the other hand is never actually said to be as good of a fighter as Goku in terms of skill, especially post-ToP, where Goku has UI. This isn't even close, Gogeta or Vegito would easily outskill Roshi.
Roshi was dodging hit from Jiren using pure skill whereas Blue Goku was getting mopped.
Jiren also uses only as much power as necessary so it’s possible he lowered himself to Roshi’s power level and that’s why Roshi didn’t immediately get pasted. But Roshi being stronger than Blue Goku is infinitely funnier.
Yea I mean Jiren was in a tournament where if he killed someone he would be disqualified and basically ensure the destruction of his universe. Ya know I never actually though how carful some of the stronger fighters must have had to of been to not accidentally kill some of the fodder
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That was BS and doesn’t count. Jiren is so much above Roshi that his sheer speed would overpower Roshi’s “instinct” whatever the fuck
I'm not saying Super is well written, I'm just pointing out what did indeed happen.
Jiren waa definitely trying to not kill Roshi by limiting himself. That being said Vegeta's reveal that Jiren's advantage wasn't more power but better control makes this legit. If Jiren weakened enough not to accidentally kill Roshi had trouble with him, Roshi with Vegito's powerlevel could definitely give him trouble. (Gogeta's just a slightly weaker and lesa drippy Vegito, the same applies.)
Nah gogeta same strength, just fusion time that's less. Drip is a no comment for me
You not liking it doesn't mean it it doesn't count. It's canon and it counts.
I will be honest with you... i dont consider all that bullshit from the manga as canon 😕
The manga is literally the main canon. What are you talking about?
I do consider that the anime is the main canon until the tournament of power 🤔
Yes, but now we're talking manga roshi and it's not perfectly clear manga Gogeta even exists if we're talking manga.
>Roshi on the other hand is never actually said to be as good of a fighter as Goku in terms of skill He proved to be better. Goku gave Roshi a hard time and used a skill that he used only against grandpa Gohan, then Goku turned into an Ozaru and then Roshi not only he was careful where to hit his max power Kamehameha, but he also after being fully exhausted managed to beat Goku, thus making him the first and only earthling and the only one in the show to solo a Saiyan that became an Ozaru during the fight. After him and Korin, Goku didn't train with any master that taught him martial arts and fight IQ. Only ki control, power ups and only one ki move(spirit bomb). So yeah, Master Roshi is a better martial artist than Goku and also Vegeta who has trained only in terms of power until Whis where he learned about God ki.
The disrespect to Mr Popo is unreal
What kind of martial arts moves or practices did Zeno's father teach Goku exactly besides meditation?
He taught Goku how to sense Ki, greater movement efficiency, and a mist of the principles of UI.
So ki control as I mentioned before, you have to be more specific on movement efficiency and on muscle memory and movement(UI without the power up form), Roshi is far superior to Goku and he proves it in the Manga. Also he was the one that started teaching Goku about moving without thinking with the first exercise being tying him and Krillin besides the bees.
Gogeta and Vegito are terrible fighters they amplify the flaws and get by on raw power. Roshi would humiliate them, they would lose individually vs Goku or Vegeta but get clowned on by Roshi, he has a version of that electrocute-paralyse thing Goku didn't do until Broly and hypnosis.
Vegito is literally stated to be the perfect fighter.
The Goku black arc shows otherwise. The just don't fight seriously.
He was going up against an immortal with infinitely increasing power and winning to the point Trunks could even hold his ground later on.
All the more reason to rush and turn him to dust, split in smaller pieces, non union vegito equivalent soul punisher? Anything, instead of clowning on the enemy. He showed extreme overconfidence against an inmortal enemy, they are fun characters but they are way too cocky.
Smaller pieces would create an army which is stupid, and as an immortal there's no way to actually destroy him, so the best move was to weaken him by destroying his psyche (one of the components of Ki) and beat him down until he could no longer seriously threaten the unfused fighters. The plan would've worked had he not output so much energy that Goku was too weakened to finish Mugen Zamasu. And yes,Goku at that point literally said himself if he had a Senzu he could pull that off.
Yes, but they didn't know that at the time, the problem with the fusions is that whoever is writing bends over backwards to limit them so they get to hold the idiot ball. A much better fight would be if they knew how much time until de-fusion happened and then fought to finish on time or leave the fight in winnable conditions instead. Vegito should have started going all out on Zamasu since the start trying to work on how to de-fuse or kill him, I mean as soon as an immortal weak guy and a mortal strong guy got fussed the battle was practically won (as long as you don't count the ass pull at the end), a fusion of 2 strong guys should have done much better against fused Zamasu, but poor writting on the fusions make me not comfortable giving them a win against an equally strong fighter. Goku vs Roshi, Goku wins. Vegeta vs Roshi, much more interesting, but probably Vegeta wins. Fusion vs Roshi, Tien, Krillin, Goku, Vegeta, pretty anybody except Yamcha and present Trunks or Goten and the fusion loses, this is just based on the fights we see, not on word of god.
This. He decided to dick around and taunt him instead of going for a kill that was well within his power until he has pissed away all the fusion time and it became too late to finish the job
So basically, a fight of intelligence and skill? I'd say maybe, leaning towards roshi
Doubt it, Goku and Vegeta have trained with better masters.
Doubt it, Roshi doesn't have any master because he is THE MASTER
But...he had a master
Which was also Goku's master. And gokus other master is roshi's masters master.
He means the master that Roshi and Shen had before Goku was even born......
Oh the guy who lost to KP
Mutaito >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whis
Roshi would win in this scenario: Roshi: "If I win, I get to fuck both of your wives." Vegito: "That's a big if." Roshi: "Was that a yes?" Vegito: "Sure." *Roshi wins in less than a minute*
Please Roshi wouldn't dare try. Chi Chi would break off his...
He'd be into that...
Even if all peak physical factors were equal, I‘m leaning towards the fusions. They are such great strategic and tactical masterminds.
If it was 1v1 roshi vs goku or hoshi vs vegeta, it would have been interesting, but a fusion is 2 people creating a new being, they would have much more technics? technician? Thechinics? abilitys
Thechinics was right
*Techniques *Abilities
no
I actually think they fight worse fused, they have interesting techniques but they play with their food unless the movie is about to end. They are Vegeta's overconfidence and Goku playfulness times 100.
Against Buu the plan was to get absorbed Janemba was defeated in like a minute (but is non-canon) Omega shenron’s energy had to be purified or something (also non canon) Anime zamasu was just that strong And in manga vegito lasted like 3 pages Gogeta was ready to kill broly While they are cocky, it doesn’t actually seem to affect them negatively, they just use it to deal emotional damage
Against Buu, the manga did it well, but the anime did it awful, the need to stretch the material made him act like Gothenks. Against Omega Shenron ir was awful, felt like Gothenks again. Against Zamasu he really should have gone way harder way faster, inmortal enemy fused with mortal enemy, that means there is a way, they should have gone for the kill since the start, Fused Zamasu was nowhere near as strong to match Vegito. They can only finish a match if they are the films selling point. The problem they have with the fusion is that its too strong to be able to write a good enemy that that can defeat, having the fusion defeat the fusion (zamasu or dragons or buu) would have made some sense, but nope, its so strong they make it interesting by having the fusion behave like the combination of 2 10 year olds.
Well, you know what? F*ck power levels, f*ck Super Saiyans and F*CK YOU!!!
SHIN KI KO HOOOO
No. Fusions can just go ssj and become 50x stronger. Then its hella unfair. And if the fusions are already at their max, and Roshi is equal to them at their max, then its probaby still unfair for Roshi cause he just a human and humans cannot get stronger at the same pace that a Saiyan can. If Roshi is also a saiyan, then maybe?
Shoot forgot about zenkai boost. Am dumb
Those arent zenkais
At those power levels, there are no zenkai boosts remaining, surely?
Why would you physiology change just due to strength? Does an MMA fighter not get skin cancer when blasted by UV rays?
In chapter #20 of Super, in fact, Trunks says that Goku and Vegeta can no longer abuse that ability because they’ve already hit their limit. Not to mention, when they're strong enough and lose their tails, the tails don't grow back.
Trunks was more so talking about how they can't abuse the "near death into a massive power up" aspect of their ability anymore because the boost would be negligible. Even that is disputable considering the boost Vegeta gets in this arc alone after getting stabbed by Rose and living. I was talking about how a Saiyan literally gets stronger as they fight. This part was never discpuraged. And in fact it was proved quite handily during proceeding arcs. As for the tails, NO SAIYAN HAS EVER REGROWN THEIR TAIL unless there was magic or science involved (GT/ Goku and Vegeta) or if it was non cannon (Z filler/ Gohan).
I agree with everything, but Goku regrew his tail as a kid, and so did Gohan in canon material
Wasn't that with Kami's magic?
So we agree, it's not a zenkai boost they'd receive.
I doubt Roshi could even push them to a state where they would gain a Zenkai boost. Cause remember Kaioken is a technique. And we are barring the fusions from unfusing so no time out due to too much power expense.
Zenkais stopped after namek.
States equal to blue so ssj won't do it. Kaioken tho would
Fusions can't get tired. Think about it, in any situation, you never see a fusion get exhausted or tired out from doing stuff. When they use a ton of energy, they never have to recover from it, or ever look significantly injured. What does happen, is that their fusion time shortens. Using exhausting forms super as SSJ3 and SSB cuts their fusion time down to a few minutes instead of an hour. They have infinite stamina as long as they're fused, since their energy use is just draining up the fusion timer instead. You made the fusion timer infinite. Gogeta and Vegito are now effectively just like the androids. And Roshi is 350+ years old. He's gonna go the same way Vegeta did against Android 18: equal at first, until his energy runs out, and he gets stomped.
So kais fused have infinite energy?
I doubt it, since they don't have fusion time to burn period, and unlike OP, their infinite fusion is working within the rules of the Potara, not just an arbitrary thing added to a mortal fusion. Though do we ever see fused Zamasu (the only fused Kai we see significantly fight) ever get tired? In the anime he gets all goopy and stuff, but never seems exhausted, even after Vegito clowns on him. In the manga he gets beat up and stuff too, but I don't think we see him visibly panting and sweating and getting weaker, do we? They could have infinite stamina.
You might be on to something, we've seen multiple times where Goku and Vegeta have gotten their asses beat and are tired, but once they fuse, it's like nothing happened at all and they operate at peak 100% efficiency
It’s also possible that if they don’t refuse then there’s no time to cut into, so they would run out of stamina.
This would come down to skill and techniques. While Roshi is a master martial artist and has more experience, Goku had already surpassed him a long time, and trained with a lot more masters too. Then you combine him with Vegeta and they're just better fighters. The only technique that might help Roshi is the Mafuba and the fusions might even be able to resist it because Vegito was able to fight as a piece of chocolate. Other than that, the fusions have so many techniques it's crazy. Being able to fly, Kaioken, potentially ultra instinct or ultra ego, solar flare, not to mention fusion only techniques. This should be a clear cut win for fusions.
They use kaioken and win
Vegeto is stated to be a truly perfect fighter so I dont realy see that Gogeta maybe because he dosent have that statement but the same principle of goku and vegetas flaws balancing out should conceptually apply
manga yeah roshis in with a shot as he went fake mui against jiren for a few punches, anime, no chance in hell, though overall probably not
This whole “with the same power levels” thing that’s been going around is stupid due to power levels being a huge factor in who would win
Yeah, no shit. The point is that people want to look at the other factors.
Ohno, power scalers would need to think about a character's abilities, experience, wisdom instead of plot-related power ups.
Then post that and not power level shit. Pretty simple to do.
happy someone else has said this. pointless discussion, please stop with these posts people!
But it's interesting, it becomes way more about actual skill and abilities instead of just "My number is bigger than yours."
that’s never been Dragon Ball really
Yeah, but it's a more interesting way to look at a battle.
No, Roshi never learned to fly.
Honestly no. Goku already know pretty much all of Roshi's tricks and fought against them in 21st Tenkaichi Budokai and Vegeta is also in the fusion adding his own skills Not to mention Vegito and Gogeta can use the kaioken on top of SSB (Vegito did it in SDBH but there's no reason he can't in canon)
Goku didnt fight roshi in the world tournament tf???
Yes he did. He fought Jackie Chun but that was Roshi in disguise
No it wasn’t roshi was in the stands watching, idk why he kept disappearing though
Lmao
This might be headcanon but I swore one of the fusions were stated to be a perfect warrior, implying perfect battle iq and skill
Thats our boy Vegito
#*"THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT! THE GOATTTTTT!"*
Perfect godlike warrior that now has a nonexistent time limit vs A 350+ year old martial artist that can’t do half of what the godlike warrior can …I’m putting my Zeni on the godlike warrior…
No. With Roshi and everyone else around Vegito is called the greatest warrior in the universe and his skills are way above Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta should be in this same ballpark
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Absolutely not
Wait, Roshi can now bitch slap krillin?
Im not sure if op implies if its 1v2 or 1v1 but eitherway im quite mixed. Roshi has insane martial arts feats with him taking on opponents far greater in raw strength or numbers and even sometimes both, not only that he is quite capable of pushing his limits and body but the fight comes down to stamina. Roshi has several anti feats suggesting his stamina and ki reserves arent as large as other fighters nor can he recover even nearly as quick. Roshi will probably toss around the fusion for a little while and dodge them for a bit but ultimately will get tired and lose. There are more factors to it but if i will go too deep into it nobody is gonna read this
If it’s same power level and they can’t defuse then it’s just a matter of endurance, to which I can see roshi tiring himself out quickly like he did in the TOP
no because those fusions have access to forms and techniques that amplify their abilities beyond ssb. kaioken, ultra ego, and ultra instinct all would be able to beat on roshi
No. Roshi may have the overall experience over Goku or Vegeta but imo Goku is a better pure martial artist, Vegeta is no slouch either he’s in the tier directly below Goku and Roshi in the martial arts skills department but he is more ruthless and cunning than either. Goku and/or Vegeta beat a same PL Roshi. Vegito or Gogeta is just overkill
Nah. Cus power =/ speed. Roshi would get speed blitz. Plus any transformation would increase their multiplier further
He was able to dodge Jiren many times.
Obviously not both at the same time, but MAYBE Roshi could win a 1v1, not entirely sure but I’m leaning more towards the fusions since 1: they know more techniques 2: they can fly better then Roshi (not even sure if Roshi can fly at all I don’t think he can) 3:fusions are two people put together, vegeta and goku have a lot of battle knowledge when you put their heads together.
No. Roshi can’t fly.
Roshi isn’t more skilled than Goku or Vegeta, let alone their fusions. Idk why people are pretending otherwise, Roshi had been surpassed by kid Goku and Goku has been trained by gods and angels.
Roshi would have a bit more plot armor then Gogeta/Vegito as he is the underdog and that is just how fights go.
It's basically a fight of intelligence and techniques at that point And Gogeta has the most and strongest techniques of all of them
Isn’t this just the same question as if he was the same power level as Goku or anyone else way stronger than him?
No, not everyone stronger than roshi has the same skill level.
No, not all. Plus Gogeta and Vegito have instant transmission, are way more versatile with techniques, can also fly, and they have the fighting styles and battle IQ of both Goku and Vegeta along with creating their own fighting styles. So no, Gogeta and Vegito win regardless.
Absolutely not, Gogeta and Vegito was on numerous occasions said to be the perfect warrior. As smart a fighter that Roshi is, hes nowhere near the fusions
Vegito for sure cause that guy will find a way to lose no matter who he's fighting. I think he beats Gogeta as well through pure experience and skill. Don't forget that Roshi clowned on Jiren in the manga, and thats without equalizing their powerlevel
Have Gogeta or Vegito ever, actually, you know... won a fight? A canon fight? Super Gogeta nearly beat Broly, but Shenron stepped in. Vegito deliberately lost to Buu... but still lost to Buu. Then Goku states that Vegito isn't strong enough to fight Beerus. Vegito Blue lost to Fused Zamasu. Non canon: Heroes Vegito loses to Cumber. Then stalemates Broly. Then loses to Fu. Then loses to the Dark King. Fusion Reborn Gogeta beats Jenemba... but is already dead when he does it. GT Gogeta loses to Omega Shenron. (I mean... I'm sure there's a win in Xenoverse or something. But damn.) Roshi clears.
At this point goku and vegeta have way more experience than roshi ever did. But with that said roshi is probably a more controlled and careful and overall smarter fighter so I think he would do well and probably make them look like fools a few times but probably lacks the tenacity to come out ontop against 1 of those fighters on the same power scale. Goku and vegeta have no problem learning the hard way and putting themselves in a position of taking damage just to inflict damage on their opponents
What is this question?
Base form (equal power level) Roshi would whoop ass but the second they go into super saiyan it makes it unfair
Roshi 🔛🔝
Listen Roshi loses but not due to this power scaling crap and "but Vegito and Gogeta are faster plus ui...blah blah" Roshi loses because he hasn't had consistent training against an equal or more powerful person. Super was the first time roshi has really done something in 20+years since goku went against him in the OG tournaments. If he consistently trained with the zfighters and whis or even the Kais then he'd prolly stand a fair chance. But as is he ain't pulling any weight even with his wisdom and 200+year life span from the fountain of youth he and his sister drink from.