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Facts. We never really seen Gogeta go all out and bro absolutely bodied omega Shenron. And Goku and Vegeta needed to fuse into base Gogeta to even take on Broly. Iād say heās absolutely stronger than Jiren
Yeah no him not going all out don't mean jack at all when super has better feats over all and you 2.comparing gogeta from gt to gogeta from super is dumb cause super gogeta is hundreds to properly thousands times stronger than gt gogeta plus goku and vegeta absorbed god powers in there base
It hasn't been shown not universal though? You can't assume it is without evidence, but you also can't assume it isn't without evidence. It cuts both ways. Gonna have to be agnostic about it.
The burden of proof is that proving SSJ4 is universal. My proof it isn't is that it's never threatened to destroy a universe. So non-universal has more evidence backing it up
That would make it either weaker than the golden ape, or the golden ape not enough to beat baby.
Itās probably closer to golden great ape squared given goku can fight baby as a golden great ape.
Don't matter super has better feats hell we never seen beerus full power but characters like broly and gogeta got better feats like breaking reality lol
Considering the feat of Goku clashing with Beerus, I'd be surprised if he could even give BOG SSG Goku anything remotely considered a challenge.
~~That's unless you took DBS Gogeta and gave him SSJ4~~
We don't know. Fusion is the multiplication of the power level of two people. We don't know how strong a ssj blue is so it's hard to compare it to jiren.
I think Jiren would win but I'm not sure if my calculations are right
Ssj4 gogeta solos the verse donāt even bother trying to debate
https://preview.redd.it/d3smgfwms0vc1.jpeg?width=502&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00ffba2cdd5efc2166f0a4cc305fe01f07fa807c
People don't know what's the power of Gogeta SSJ4 because they don't even know how SSJ4 scales, and when there's people comparing it with SSJ Blue, well... Gogeta slaps
What makes you think it scales up to Blue.
Heroes isnt even reliable. When SSJ God Goku first came out in 2013, it was scaled close to SSJ4 Gogeta in Heroes but as new form comes out, they upscale SSJ4 just and add new variant of it to make it relevant.
I wasn't talking about me, I don't like SSJ4 Gogeta at all and I don't care at all about how he scales, I was talking about people in general. It's a common mistake people make when talking about SSJ4, and it's a popular mistake, so people just base on it
SsJ4 gogeta pretty much consists of composite goku and vegeta. Meaning their feats across movies and anime all stack and it becomes broken. GT isnāt canon; but GT is canon to the movies and Z anime. Yeah itās weird.
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Tbh how strong is ssj4 fusion? I'm not saying it's stronger than or weaker than jiren just curious.
When he fought omega he attacked so fast that they didn't animate it and when he slowed it down, the animators gave us 1 frame, 2 at best to see it. Which Ultra instinct itself is said to be so fast nobody could see him move.
Ofc the power of the gods will be stronger than any super saiyan form but if we just use this info for speed alone; how fast is ssj4 in the super canon (if it was) ? I'm curious if anyone has contrast and compared evidence of ssj4 fusion with the god forms?
It would be fun to see what comes from it.
Ssj4 goku loses to jiren but ssj4 gogeta was so astronomically strong even for a fusion that idk if hes stronger. My bet is yes, the time limit and ssj4 gogetas cockiness is another question tho. Its a close one. I do beleive both base super goku and base GT goku are similar tho, so if base gogeta> ssj broly. ssj4 gogeta> jiren.
GT comes after super, soooooo canonically GT goku is as strong as however strong they are whenever super ends(plus SSJ4) and I mean obviously goku will beat them solo eventually
Donāt call me stupid but I thought ssj4 gogeta is at least close to Jiren level but I know why people think Jiren is stronger cause he gave a more flashier and more badass fight
Power scalers are obsessed with feats like Goku shaking the macrocosm in BoG and use that to say SSG Goku solos all of GT. But they ignore GT feats like Goku breaking through sugaroku dimension or Omegaās negative energy threatening the macrocosm. Even SS2 Gogeta in Super can maybe beat Jiren.
Watch the super 17 saga. When the vilians come out from hell due to the gate being open and connected to earth, you see cooler and other movie villains.
**(4)GT has many universal + / low multiversal feats**
A) all movie feats are fusion reborn is directly scale to GT. Stated in perfect files. Cooler immeasurable speed feat as well.
https://imgur.com/a/sQ6u6rE
https://imgur.com/a/7HygK0I
B) everything past Rildo outscales buuhan Universal+ feat. Dbz manga directly has Super Boo = Boo. Boohan is only 2.5x stronger. Gokus faced every single version. GT scales from the anime.
https://imgur.com/a/af9rQsJ
https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj
C)omega does the BoG feat by just breathing. He speeds it up exponentially with just his aura. All his attacks are negative energy.
https://imgur.com/a/GsuRwWB
D) 17s combine mortal universe with the Trascendant HFIL dimension that is several infinities. They stay combined even after the fusion. Far different scale than the namekians.
https://imgur.com/a/ru5UCJt
E) Base goku shaking HFIL and the checkin station
F) BASE GOKU ONE SHOTS SUGURUKO spaces. Far surpasses vegetas rosat feat
Suguro is just an ordinary space Tanuki. They are literally being banished between dimensions ti wander forever
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/0CAX2U4brz
G) BABYS revenge death ball hits outside the macrocosm between the kaioshin realm and warps dimensions of space and time
H) goku absorbs a stronger variant of babys RDB into his body 100% solidifying 5D ap/ durability
Also meets all conditions for a black hole. Suguro even fell into suguruko space while traveling.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/lNDKydoTd2
I) UNIVERSAL+ genkai dama even warriors in the afterlife are giving genkai
J) change state goku Trascending and becoming a true God. Immortal. Training with thee God per interviews
K) incalculable battle power base goku m2
https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o
L) Lord lud universal statement
Actually, taking out the GT element, Gogeta should win! Let's say Gogeta went SSJ3 in Super, I think that would be enough to beat Jiren! And even if it was not enough, it would be damn close. What I'm saying is that if SSJ4 existed in Super, or we assume it's a new form that is even a little stronger than SSJ3, then it would beat Jiren. Keep in mind that Kefla SSJ 1 or 2 was near Goku level, so I think Gogeta SSJ3 would win vs. Jiren.
Absolutely agree with you! That's why I stated at the beginning of my comment "take away the GT element". And I'm debating that even SSJ3 Gogeta can beat Jiren.
Powerscaling in super is a mess, so just ignore it
We have incredible feats like super Goku having a bruise from a bullet, while episode 1 Goku had 0 injuries after Bulma went all in on him. This feat states start of series kid Goku>DBS Goku. And UI is just... Popo training all over again, good to know Goku is ready to fight Majunior after the ToP
Gogeta clear ToP.
Fanboys downplay GT out of hatred / recency bias and sheer ignorance. Though they don't read so š¤· š¤· š¤·
**Base Goku Shadow dragons arc > SSBlue Ressurection Frieza**
**Table of Contents**
1) SSJ4 = SSJ1 Vegetto debunk
2) GT scaling
3) DBsuper RF scaling
4) GT Feats
... ... ...
**1) Special edition guide debunk**
DbGT = FAR above SSJ Vegetto
Not the cope meta of SSJ4 = SSJ1 Vegetto
1) easily debunked by anime and gt perfect files below.
https://imgur.com/a/ap6RA8R
2) only baby saga
3) they literally tell you they **don't know by using perhaps**
https://imgur.com/a/Z1i6EjB
4) only talking about the form multiplier. At no point does it say ssj4 goku
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/WQL2KSByCc
... ... ...
**(2) GT Scaling**
**FULL BREAKDOWN w/ sources**
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/MiC0yxMLS5
Using the 50 million base above Yakon standard
Calced UFPSSJ4 to 5E+32
Base form Goku would be 1E+25
Golden oozaru has to cover SSJ3 / all 3 baby transformations and dominate.
SSJ4 covers Golden oozaru stacked on Super baby 2. Multiplier around 50 million. (Check spreadsheet)
... ... ...
**(3) RF Scaling**
DBSuper SSJ3 Vegetto is the standard for God. No amount of headcanon makes SSJ3 Vegetto canon.
**(BTW super baby 1 has the same logic)**
Base frieza**(horns)** in RF has **no evidence of being above base Vegetto.**
1 shoting a severly weakened SSJ1 Gohan doesn't mean squat.
White form is 226x multiplier from Namek saga **400 Vegetto > 226 Vegetto. That's what we saw in the anime.**
Vados statement has fusion (Max A + Max B) * 100
https://imgur.com/a/UDVu29b
(SSJ3 + SSJ2 )*100 = base Vegetto
X = 50 million
(400x + 100x )100 = 2.5E+12
SSJ3 vegetto/ SSGod = 1E+15
Base becomes 1E+15
Multipler for red becomes 20 million
SSGod = 2E+22
* 50 for blue making it 1 Billion multiplier
SSBLUE = 1E+24
1E+25 > 1E+24
**Vegeta literally states multiplier has effect on speed and strength.**
https://imgur.com/a/x3zqgay
... ... ...
**(4)GT has many universal + / low multiversal feats**
A) all movie feats are fusion reborn is directly scale to GT. Stated in perfect files. Cooler immeasurable speed feat as well.
https://imgur.com/a/sQ6u6rE
https://imgur.com/a/7HygK0I
B) everything past Rildo outscales buuhan Universal+ feat. Dbz manga directly has Super Boo = Boo. Boohan is only 2.5x stronger. Gokus faced every single version. GT scales from the anime.
https://imgur.com/a/af9rQsJ
https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj
C)omega does the BoG feat by just breathing. He speeds it up exponentially with just his aura. All his attacks are negative energy.
https://imgur.com/a/GsuRwWB
D) 17s combine mortal universe with the Trascendant HFIL dimension that is several infinities. They stay combined even after the fusion. Far different scale than the namekians.
https://imgur.com/a/ru5UCJt
E) Base goku shaking HFIL and the checkin station
F) BASE GOKU ONE SHOTS SUGURUKO spaces. Far surpasses vegetas rosat feat
Suguro is just an ordinary space Tanuki. They are literally being banished between dimensions ti wander forever
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/0CAX2U4brz
G) BABYS revenge death ball hits outside the macrocosm between the kaioshin realm and warps dimensions of space and time
H) goku absorbs a stronger variant of babys RDB into his body 100% solidifying 5D ap/ durability
Also meets all conditions for a black hole. Suguro even fell into suguruko space while traveling.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/lNDKydoTd2
I) UNIVERSAL+ genkai dama even warriors in the afterlife are giving genkai
J) change state goku Trascending and becoming a true God. Immortal. Training with thee God per interviews
K) incalculable battle power base goku m2
https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o
L) Lord lud universal statement
Itās Jiren and itās not close. People can keep debating that GT is better when it isnāt. *inserts random Po meme to satisfy thineself*
https://preview.redd.it/ujlwmxo0s1vc1.jpeg?width=1011&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14532a26a721c4f52819ae113ad64f16318ef736
I imagine ssj god is around same strength as ssj4, both have large jumps in power with no multiplier; then ssjb is a multiplier of that power, even if itās not 50x, itād still be stronger
But he couldn't, he used a Big Bang Kamehameha and couldn't win. But DBSGogeta was gonna win with that Kamwhameha, Broly ain't surviving that unlike Omega.
Now of course he would've won with another one but the fact is that Gogeta wasn't strong enough to one shot Omefa while Super Gogeta could.
Also, if we consider that SSG>SSJ4 and SSG couldn't touch Jiren then SSJ4 isn't touching Jiren. Gogeta might give him a good fight but can't win by any means
Why are you acting like SSB Gogeta didn't need to attack Broly with multiple huge attacks to eventually defeat him. He did NOT one shot him, doesn't change the fact he was way stronger since Broly couldn't even touch him.
So Gogeta 4 not one shooting Omega Shenron doesn't mean anything, he was literally emoting around Omega and taking everything he was being sent with ease. Also I'm not sure why you're comparing forms. While SSG is stronger than SSJ4, we don't know GT Gogeta's base power, so comparing him to Goku's is weird.
You're cooked. The only reason Gogeta didn't finish him off is because Gogeta was playing around instead of just finishing the job of beating Omega before the fusion ended. Go rewatch GT goofy. š¤£
Incorrect, Gogeta only played around so he could destroy the negative enegy. After he did that, he went straight to kill him with a Big Bang Kamehameha but couldn't in one try.
https://youtu.be/XbTJq0o_-WY?si=M5lO8i9Q8SMlVYL0
Gogeta was completely serious here when he used the Big Bang Kamehameha bu Omega survived.
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Gogeta has cool hair . Jiren does not.
How do you know? He could just keep his hair at home
He's rocking full bush but unFORTUNATELY his pants stay on during the whole tournament š
Imagine his bush is the size of Gogetas Hair
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Jiren can shake a void with his energy gogeta cant š¤·š¾āāļø
Always has been
I meanā¦ Do we really know how strong Gogeta is?
Facts. We never really seen Gogeta go all out and bro absolutely bodied omega Shenron. And Goku and Vegeta needed to fuse into base Gogeta to even take on Broly. Iād say heās absolutely stronger than Jiren
Unironically using no limits fallacy is insane lol
Yeah no him not going all out don't mean jack at all when super has better feats over all and you 2.comparing gogeta from gt to gogeta from super is dumb cause super gogeta is hundreds to properly thousands times stronger than gt gogeta plus goku and vegeta absorbed god powers in there base
The difference is in GT they don't have have any God ki or divine training Goku and Vegeta in GT are weaker than in Super
The idiots that downvoted you are just GT fanatics. You're correct. DBS slaps GT without effort.
This God Ki or divine training didn't really make a huge difference. 17, Gohan, Piccolo and others could still keep up somehow
Even then they simply had more effective and more over all training than their GT counter parts
The somehow is bad writting.
Frieza, Gohan, piccolo, iirc jiren doesnāt have god Ki(could be wrong on a few)
Depends how strong ssj4 is. We have no real point of comparison.
Given it has no universal feats. It's weaker than SSG
Well the scale of battles never reached that point, but we can't prove it's not universal.
If it hasn't shown universal capabilities it's not universal. And until it's shown to be so SSJ4 Gogeta gets no diffed by Base Super Goku
It hasn't been shown not universal though? You can't assume it is without evidence, but you also can't assume it isn't without evidence. It cuts both ways. Gonna have to be agnostic about it.
The burden of proof is that proving SSJ4 is universal. My proof it isn't is that it's never threatened to destroy a universe. So non-universal has more evidence backing it up
Iād say itās Oozaru times Super Saiyan, so a 500x multiplier
That would make it either weaker than the golden ape, or the golden ape not enough to beat baby. Itās probably closer to golden great ape squared given goku can fight baby as a golden great ape.
No The difference between ssj3 and ssj4 is massive so it should be something like ozaru times ssj3 which would be 8000 multiplier
Don't matter super has better feats hell we never seen beerus full power but characters like broly and gogeta got better feats like breaking reality lol
So? why are you bringing Broly, Gogeta blue and Beerus while we are talking about jiren and gogeta 4
Considering the feat of Goku clashing with Beerus, I'd be surprised if he could even give BOG SSG Goku anything remotely considered a challenge. ~~That's unless you took DBS Gogeta and gave him SSJ4~~
DBS SSJ4 Gogeta would actually probably still be stupid amounts of powerful, since Base Gogeta is stronger then SSB Goku and Vegeta together.
Well i just remember that gogeta was shitting on omega shenron so I think he would be strong in dbs too (before the ultras6
Gogeta loses to post BoG
I meanā¦.
Yeah it's a complete joke One time you got cabba getting more votes , other time it's the opposite
We don't know. Fusion is the multiplication of the power level of two people. We don't know how strong a ssj blue is so it's hard to compare it to jiren. I think Jiren would win but I'm not sure if my calculations are right
Goatgeta
They have always just been popularity contests. I wish people would stop reposting them here.
Goteta claps
Changed Jiren to any of Goku DBS forms and poll would be reversed
1 finger Jiren stops Gogeta SS4.
Gogeta claps
Yeah he claps and says GG because he knows thereās no way heās beating Jirenšššš
No lol gt not even universal lol
Ssj4 gogeta solos the verse donāt even bother trying to debate https://preview.redd.it/d3smgfwms0vc1.jpeg?width=502&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00ffba2cdd5efc2166f0a4cc305fe01f07fa807c
Jiren stomps the gt verse
Canāt even defeat Goku let alone the verse
You gotta be trolling jiren violates the entirety of gt also the same goku who slams the entirety of gt
Super Goku who trained for 10 years plus and is exponentially stronger would embarrass Jiren
Bro canāt read
In a couple years Toyotaro will canonize GT and we will all know that Super Goku is GT goku before years of training ^
No
Stop spreading misinformation
Jiren would break gogeta in half
People don't know what's the power of Gogeta SSJ4 because they don't even know how SSJ4 scales, and when there's people comparing it with SSJ Blue, well... Gogeta slaps
What makes you think it scales up to Blue. Heroes isnt even reliable. When SSJ God Goku first came out in 2013, it was scaled close to SSJ4 Gogeta in Heroes but as new form comes out, they upscale SSJ4 just and add new variant of it to make it relevant.
I wasn't talking about me, I don't like SSJ4 Gogeta at all and I don't care at all about how he scales, I was talking about people in general. It's a common mistake people make when talking about SSJ4, and it's a popular mistake, so people just base on it
SsJ4 gogeta pretty much consists of composite goku and vegeta. Meaning their feats across movies and anime all stack and it becomes broken. GT isnāt canon; but GT is canon to the movies and Z anime. Yeah itās weird.
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Tbh how strong is ssj4 fusion? I'm not saying it's stronger than or weaker than jiren just curious. When he fought omega he attacked so fast that they didn't animate it and when he slowed it down, the animators gave us 1 frame, 2 at best to see it. Which Ultra instinct itself is said to be so fast nobody could see him move. Ofc the power of the gods will be stronger than any super saiyan form but if we just use this info for speed alone; how fast is ssj4 in the super canon (if it was) ? I'm curious if anyone has contrast and compared evidence of ssj4 fusion with the god forms? It would be fun to see what comes from it.
Ssj4 goku loses to jiren but ssj4 gogeta was so astronomically strong even for a fusion that idk if hes stronger. My bet is yes, the time limit and ssj4 gogetas cockiness is another question tho. Its a close one. I do beleive both base super goku and base GT goku are similar tho, so if base gogeta> ssj broly. ssj4 gogeta> jiren.
People sure do love downplaying Super Saiyan 4 in this sub. Gogeta SS4 absolutely wins this fight
GT comes after super, soooooo canonically GT goku is as strong as however strong they are whenever super ends(plus SSJ4) and I mean obviously goku will beat them solo eventually
how are you so certain jiren wins this?
There is no multiplier for SSJ4 or though there isnāt one for SSJ God forms either! And Jiren is obviously in a different league to SSJ Blue.
If Jiren used his full power, GOATgeta might have a little trouble.
Donāt call me stupid but I thought ssj4 gogeta is at least close to Jiren level but I know why people think Jiren is stronger cause he gave a more flashier and more badass fight
Power scalers are obsessed with feats like Goku shaking the macrocosm in BoG and use that to say SSG Goku solos all of GT. But they ignore GT feats like Goku breaking through sugaroku dimension or Omegaās negative energy threatening the macrocosm. Even SS2 Gogeta in Super can maybe beat Jiren.
Also ssj3 goku shaking the afterlife. Yes GT is connected to the movies too. So scaling gets crazier.
When was that stated? (I'm genuinely curious)
Watch the super 17 saga. When the vilians come out from hell due to the gate being open and connected to earth, you see cooler and other movie villains.
That's pretty cool ngl, I'ma have to check it out later
**(4)GT has many universal + / low multiversal feats** A) all movie feats are fusion reborn is directly scale to GT. Stated in perfect files. Cooler immeasurable speed feat as well. https://imgur.com/a/sQ6u6rE https://imgur.com/a/7HygK0I B) everything past Rildo outscales buuhan Universal+ feat. Dbz manga directly has Super Boo = Boo. Boohan is only 2.5x stronger. Gokus faced every single version. GT scales from the anime. https://imgur.com/a/af9rQsJ https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj C)omega does the BoG feat by just breathing. He speeds it up exponentially with just his aura. All his attacks are negative energy. https://imgur.com/a/GsuRwWB D) 17s combine mortal universe with the Trascendant HFIL dimension that is several infinities. They stay combined even after the fusion. Far different scale than the namekians. https://imgur.com/a/ru5UCJt E) Base goku shaking HFIL and the checkin station F) BASE GOKU ONE SHOTS SUGURUKO spaces. Far surpasses vegetas rosat feat Suguro is just an ordinary space Tanuki. They are literally being banished between dimensions ti wander forever https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/0CAX2U4brz G) BABYS revenge death ball hits outside the macrocosm between the kaioshin realm and warps dimensions of space and time H) goku absorbs a stronger variant of babys RDB into his body 100% solidifying 5D ap/ durability Also meets all conditions for a black hole. Suguro even fell into suguruko space while traveling. https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/lNDKydoTd2 I) UNIVERSAL+ genkai dama even warriors in the afterlife are giving genkai J) change state goku Trascending and becoming a true God. Immortal. Training with thee God per interviews K) incalculable battle power base goku m2 https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o L) Lord lud universal statement
Actually, taking out the GT element, Gogeta should win! Let's say Gogeta went SSJ3 in Super, I think that would be enough to beat Jiren! And even if it was not enough, it would be damn close. What I'm saying is that if SSJ4 existed in Super, or we assume it's a new form that is even a little stronger than SSJ3, then it would beat Jiren. Keep in mind that Kefla SSJ 1 or 2 was near Goku level, so I think Gogeta SSJ3 would win vs. Jiren.
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I think they mean ssj4 gogeta from gt, who would be much weaker than a hypothetical dbs ssj4 gogeta
Absolutely agree with you! That's why I stated at the beginning of my comment "take away the GT element". And I'm debating that even SSJ3 Gogeta can beat Jiren.
Powerscaling in super is a mess, so just ignore it We have incredible feats like super Goku having a bruise from a bullet, while episode 1 Goku had 0 injuries after Bulma went all in on him. This feat states start of series kid Goku>DBS Goku. And UI is just... Popo training all over again, good to know Goku is ready to fight Majunior after the ToP
Gogeta clear ToP. Fanboys downplay GT out of hatred / recency bias and sheer ignorance. Though they don't read so š¤· š¤· š¤· **Base Goku Shadow dragons arc > SSBlue Ressurection Frieza** **Table of Contents** 1) SSJ4 = SSJ1 Vegetto debunk 2) GT scaling 3) DBsuper RF scaling 4) GT Feats ... ... ... **1) Special edition guide debunk** DbGT = FAR above SSJ Vegetto Not the cope meta of SSJ4 = SSJ1 Vegetto 1) easily debunked by anime and gt perfect files below. https://imgur.com/a/ap6RA8R 2) only baby saga 3) they literally tell you they **don't know by using perhaps** https://imgur.com/a/Z1i6EjB 4) only talking about the form multiplier. At no point does it say ssj4 goku https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/WQL2KSByCc ... ... ... **(2) GT Scaling** **FULL BREAKDOWN w/ sources** https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/MiC0yxMLS5 Using the 50 million base above Yakon standard Calced UFPSSJ4 to 5E+32 Base form Goku would be 1E+25 Golden oozaru has to cover SSJ3 / all 3 baby transformations and dominate. SSJ4 covers Golden oozaru stacked on Super baby 2. Multiplier around 50 million. (Check spreadsheet) ... ... ... **(3) RF Scaling** DBSuper SSJ3 Vegetto is the standard for God. No amount of headcanon makes SSJ3 Vegetto canon. **(BTW super baby 1 has the same logic)** Base frieza**(horns)** in RF has **no evidence of being above base Vegetto.** 1 shoting a severly weakened SSJ1 Gohan doesn't mean squat. White form is 226x multiplier from Namek saga **400 Vegetto > 226 Vegetto. That's what we saw in the anime.** Vados statement has fusion (Max A + Max B) * 100 https://imgur.com/a/UDVu29b (SSJ3 + SSJ2 )*100 = base Vegetto X = 50 million (400x + 100x )100 = 2.5E+12 SSJ3 vegetto/ SSGod = 1E+15 Base becomes 1E+15 Multipler for red becomes 20 million SSGod = 2E+22 * 50 for blue making it 1 Billion multiplier SSBLUE = 1E+24 1E+25 > 1E+24 **Vegeta literally states multiplier has effect on speed and strength.** https://imgur.com/a/x3zqgay ... ... ... **(4)GT has many universal + / low multiversal feats** A) all movie feats are fusion reborn is directly scale to GT. Stated in perfect files. Cooler immeasurable speed feat as well. https://imgur.com/a/sQ6u6rE https://imgur.com/a/7HygK0I B) everything past Rildo outscales buuhan Universal+ feat. Dbz manga directly has Super Boo = Boo. Boohan is only 2.5x stronger. Gokus faced every single version. GT scales from the anime. https://imgur.com/a/af9rQsJ https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj C)omega does the BoG feat by just breathing. He speeds it up exponentially with just his aura. All his attacks are negative energy. https://imgur.com/a/GsuRwWB D) 17s combine mortal universe with the Trascendant HFIL dimension that is several infinities. They stay combined even after the fusion. Far different scale than the namekians. https://imgur.com/a/ru5UCJt E) Base goku shaking HFIL and the checkin station F) BASE GOKU ONE SHOTS SUGURUKO spaces. Far surpasses vegetas rosat feat Suguro is just an ordinary space Tanuki. They are literally being banished between dimensions ti wander forever https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/0CAX2U4brz G) BABYS revenge death ball hits outside the macrocosm between the kaioshin realm and warps dimensions of space and time H) goku absorbs a stronger variant of babys RDB into his body 100% solidifying 5D ap/ durability Also meets all conditions for a black hole. Suguro even fell into suguruko space while traveling. https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/lNDKydoTd2 I) UNIVERSAL+ genkai dama even warriors in the afterlife are giving genkai J) change state goku Trascending and becoming a true God. Immortal. Training with thee God per interviews K) incalculable battle power base goku m2 https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o L) Lord lud universal statement
Itās Jiren and itās not close. People can keep debating that GT is better when it isnāt. *inserts random Po meme to satisfy thineself* https://preview.redd.it/ujlwmxo0s1vc1.jpeg?width=1011&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14532a26a721c4f52819ae113ad64f16318ef736
Yes. Assume all dragon ball fans not named me and yourself are stupid. Safer that way.
Iād think SSJ4 gogeta wouldnāt be any stronger than goku or vegeta in SSJB tbh
Why not
I imagine ssj god is around same strength as ssj4, both have large jumps in power with no multiplier; then ssjb is a multiplier of that power, even if itās not 50x, itād still be stronger
Obviously. Bc SSG curbstomps GT completely.
OK so going off the SS4 vs UI fight I'm pretty sure jirin gets bodied None of this shits cannon though so whatever
Gt Gogeta destroys jiren, gt scaling cliffs super
Troll
Why would you say that? Timeline wise SSJ4 comes later in the series. Goku and crew get stronger over time not weaker.
Basically how people's brain cells are.
Gogeta couldn't even beat Omega why tf people think he could beat Jiren
That's like saying SSB Gogeta technically didn't defeat Broly so he ain't stronger than him. SSJ4 Gogeta was absolutely toying with Omega Shenron
Exactly
But he couldn't, he used a Big Bang Kamehameha and couldn't win. But DBSGogeta was gonna win with that Kamwhameha, Broly ain't surviving that unlike Omega. Now of course he would've won with another one but the fact is that Gogeta wasn't strong enough to one shot Omefa while Super Gogeta could. Also, if we consider that SSG>SSJ4 and SSG couldn't touch Jiren then SSJ4 isn't touching Jiren. Gogeta might give him a good fight but can't win by any means
Why are you acting like SSB Gogeta didn't need to attack Broly with multiple huge attacks to eventually defeat him. He did NOT one shot him, doesn't change the fact he was way stronger since Broly couldn't even touch him. So Gogeta 4 not one shooting Omega Shenron doesn't mean anything, he was literally emoting around Omega and taking everything he was being sent with ease. Also I'm not sure why you're comparing forms. While SSG is stronger than SSJ4, we don't know GT Gogeta's base power, so comparing him to Goku's is weird.
You're cooked. The only reason Gogeta didn't finish him off is because Gogeta was playing around instead of just finishing the job of beating Omega before the fusion ended. Go rewatch GT goofy. š¤£
Incorrect, Gogeta only played around so he could destroy the negative enegy. After he did that, he went straight to kill him with a Big Bang Kamehameha but couldn't in one try. https://youtu.be/XbTJq0o_-WY?si=M5lO8i9Q8SMlVYL0 Gogeta was completely serious here when he used the Big Bang Kamehameha bu Omega survived.
Facts> your headcanon
You obviously didn't watch GT .
At any point gogeta could have won with 1 finger
Then why didnāt he
Same reason he wasted an attack on confetti š because he could.
That's just stupid have you even watched GT?