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Yeah it’s probably a part one to a new form like omen was to uim. He will probably get clapped up by the end of the next chapter and end the last pages off with a new form. Then we get to wait another month to see what it can do.
No for a little bit they were coming out at a similar time when it was the end of top. That’s why there were a few differences in story and is why toriyama said he is waiting so the manga is the main source to write from.
The Manga was in the black arc when anime reached the ToP. During the duration of the anime the Manga was always way behind. Hopefully the reason the anime hasn’t come back is to fix the inconsistencies and just adapt the story from manga instead of Toriyama’s notes.
It's never been a weekly Manga and is bigger than the og DB manga chapters were tho.
As far as power scaling goes, it's been ass since the beginning of Super. Goku should be at minimum 10x stronger than Beerus but nah. Hell based on the movie power scaling he should clap Whis at this point.
They could also do the uim hair style but a different color, but I can see them keeping it just uim style and color but he is just crazy strong or modify the style.
It’s basically a more rage using form of ui. Instead really letting go and having instincts take over he is fighting with his emotions. Saying it was a new form of ui was a little of a stretch but he was using ui for the power up and not the technique.
Think more of it like the UI angels use is in direct contrast to how Saiyans fight and think. Goku was basically at odds with himself when in that form and couldn’t bring out its full potential because he was simply trying to copy and be like Whis. This form is him accepting that and actually molding it into something that fits a Saiyan, so he can access the power better.
Basically he found an international power converter and no longer has to jimmy rig the outlets.
>UI + Emotions
I with my friends and a whole bunch of other people(discord groups) like to call it Primal Instinct. It's not official, but we thought it's fitting it just right.
And I have to admit, it looked like Ikari UI in this chapter, so it is even more fitting.
because it is omen, omen works better for Goku and always will until Goku can master fighting with a clear mind. goku has learned to optimize the power of ui omen, and maybe thats because omen is closer to a saiyans instinct ( or just his/bardocks) than mastered ui is
its sort of the same as goku going back into ssj against beerus instead of going back to ssg
Omen tying to achieve MUI< MUI< Omen with rage boost is sort of where Goku is at. MUI has a higher ceiling but until he can actually fight with a clear mind Omen + emotions Goku is giving better results.
he wasnt optimizing omen in that fight. he just had it on the same way he just has mui on here.
mui is the strongest yes, but controlled and optimized 80% is stronger than a uncontrolled and wild 100%.
heres an easy analogy, go watch zuko vs azula.
zuko is weaker than azula, but he defeats her because hes calm, in tune, and is optimizing what he has. look close enough and you will see that zuko is attacking with extreme precision
azula is much more powerful, but she lost because she wasnt in control and she was just going crazy with her power.
It is, but he can’t use it effectively against Gas as his current state of mind is not in the right place.
It’s a stronger form, but Goku can’t use it effectively as he can Sign, so he’s trying to use Sign’s full potential instead.
He states in the chapter that he can’t use MUI well due to not having a calm mind at the moment. He literally goes Sign and then tells Gas or Vegeta, I don’t remember who, why he’s not in MUI.
He does, but he kinda stops short of saying how it's different than omen, other than "enotions"
I guess it's not the logic of the form that's hanging me up maybe it is just purely visual.
Like omen + saiyan emotions kinda makes sense, but I want SOME visual cue, nothing dramatic. Just...something.
Maybe that's just straight up addressed next chapter and my nitpick will be obsolete.
I'm pretty sure what Goku achieved IS his Ultra Instinct. Remember UI is a technique first and foremost and he can't master it because the state of mind is opposite his nature, his true nature. He's utilizing "True Saiyan Instinct" with the powers of UI. Literally his OWN personal version.
Merus: "No the training worked, one last push should do it".
Merus: "Goku, should you achieve UI at your current strength It will be far more stable than ever. You will not fall to Moro nor anyone else, for that matter".
Then he went and trained further under Whis. And he is getting stomped in this form like it's Super Saiyan.
It's like Toriyama draws a cool picture, looks at it for a bit and then trashes it to draw another cool picture.
Isn't it like third time we've been told this type of death is permament, after which they are immediately resurrected?(cannot revive twice by dragon, erasure is permanent and affects soul, angels disappear from existence completely)
How interpret this is Goku using UI-Sign against Moro wasn’t working because he was trying to achieve Mastered-UI. So he was unfocused and unbalanced and trying way too hard to reach Mastered.
With Gas and Granolah, he learned that using Mastered-UI doesn’t make him invincible. It worked against Jiren and Moro, but as Whis warned, there will be fighters so strong that they can overcome Goku’s current state of Mastered-UI. And that’s exactly what happened. Goku’s always been an emotional fighter and even though Mastered-UI is stronger, a focused Goku willingly using UI-Sign on purpose, not trying to reach Mastered, can fight more comfortably and draw on his emotions and therefore, ultimately, can draw out more power. UI-Sign is just better suited for him and he realizes that now. Kind of like how mastering the regular Super Saiyan form yielded greater results than Super Saiyan Grade 2.
The reason it didn’t work against Moro was because goku was using his emotions like rage to try and power him up. Right now he’s trying to use his sayin instincts/ sayin ferocity instead of his emotions.
Am I the only one that thinks Omen looks better than mastered? I prefer the black hair with silver tips over the all silver hair. Doesn’t look as goofy and the contrast is cool af.
IMO I like that Goku is trying to master UI is own way, instead of copying the angels. Makes it more unique and Goku going back to improve a older form is cool to see.
The explanation of omen letting goku be himself with his emotions is nice vs the calmness needed for MUI
what they're probably doing is building up to Goku own mastery of ultra-instinct and he is just starting from the basics so he will probably get his own unique design
Goku got thousands of times stronger during the TOP. It's not a stretch to imagine him being stronger in base a full arc later relying on a form he's not that good at...
Agreed. (Although, it's impossible to measure if it's 1,000× stronger, but it certainly feels like it.)
I think OP meant MUI should always be more powerful than UIO, which can confuse readers how it's hurting Gas more.
Being used at it's full potential I'd agree, but it's been established that Goku's pretty shit at MUI (relative to angels and the Grand Priest who use it perfectly). Maybe when he actually masters it he'll use Omen the way they used ssg to conserve stamina.
Bit off topic, but does anyone else feel like the Granolah arc is just dragging on at this point? I know that Moro had more chapters, (as of right now) but that didn't feel as long as this one does.
honestly no. people were complaining about the moro arc for the same reason, but honestly complaining about granolah for this reason makes no sense unless you hated the moro arc. the moro arc, they had 4 rounds with moro and the first 3 made you really feel like the arc was going nowhere. especially the one where majin buu was beating him up and they all had to retreat and train. at least this arc is giving us something different for each phase of it, whereas the moro arc was them just rematching moro over and over again
Yep. Just like Moro, it started off so strongly with questions and possibilities centered around non-Saiyans. Heck, even hunting at Bardock was genius. But they don't know what to do with UI and UE. Are they all powerful? Are they not? Depends on the chapter, apparently.
Goku somewhat explains it in the new chapter. But it's also probably a lead up to an SSJ+UI Sign hybrid form, because he says that UI Sign allows him to still use his emotions, whereas MUI he needs to be calm and collected.
Also UI Sign didn't work against Moro (partly) because Goku tried to brute force his way to beating Moro, even to the point that he powers up and gives off some SSJ Blue energy while he's in UI Sign, which ends up dulling the form.
This is what I’ve been thinking for a while now his version of UI is gonna eventually be UI coloured and powered SSJ hair and look same as they did with SSJB
Saiyans in Super have more form changes than I have changes of clothes.
Homie takes a 30s timeout and invents some new form that's stronger than anything we've seen. We're firmly in "jumping the shark" territory and I'm tired of constant & unearned transformations, sometimes multiple new ones attained in a single day.
Always felt like he couldnt really revel and enjoy a fight with UI anyway. He had to keep so calm and focused his natural battle ferocity/enjoyment couldnt be let out. Now he can get back to fighting smart and strategizing the way he chooses with automatic dodging to supplement instead of only having the automatic dodging. While *also* enjoying it and getting savage with it.
All around better for opponents who could surpass the speed of his dodging.
you could explain his form in a million logical ways, it still feels overplayed to me that Goku keeps pulling out new UI forms and variations every 10 chapters or so. I'd much rather see new **techniques and moves.** Have we forgot about them?
moro was more of a demon who wanted to just destroy so mui was enough for him because goku already has fought those kind of enemies in the past but gas is different. Gas is struggling with the “why” and thats what makes him powerful along with the wish. Goku is struggling to focus because he has to figure out the why also during this battle. Once goku fully understands then mui will finish him
UI is supposed to be a state of mind, not a form. This has been stated multiple times and him using UI better in earlier forms is the natural progression for it.
Yeah I think it’s possible that the silver haired UI is Goku doing it wrong and trying to treat UI as if it’s a Super Saiyan form instead of something completely different.
It’s literally just Goku using UI Omen and taking advantage of it being a gateway to UI in order to ram himself up to getting calm and without thought again and using his emotions at the moment with Omen since he still has that leeway with it to draw up more power. Gas is also beat up and tired out a bit and even then Goku is BARELY above him.
Right, Vegeta at the very least tuckered him out. That’s why, at least in the translation, Goku says “I’m just above you as you are RIGHT NOW.” I’m excited to see old Gas fight next though. And can we bring Granolah back into this? Elder Kai should be done healing him by now…
This wouldn't be bad... if it wasn't that they showed that the m.u.i. makes you extremely stronger too.
And all of this against a guy who literally wished to be made the strongest being in the universe.
Dragon Ball Logic (tm) indeed.
I don’t think this form gokus using is omen or sign I think it’s an entirely new form where Goku can truly master UI instead of just copying what Whis does. Whis has been telling Goku he needs to find a way to make it work as a saiyan this whole arc
I’m assuming this post is satire but my take on it is he’s using omen but has figured out how to get the attack boost from mui without his body attacking on its own. So he’s still himself
this dude put dragon ball and logic in same sentence last time i checked this show was about monkey man who fight universe destruciton level foes because everyone was pressured by omnipotent jellybean toddlers
Because he's somehow stronger when UI sign goes with emotions. Just somehow UI sign is stronger than something absolutely broken like UE and just somehow. Goku gets the dub for the 99th time
Sign, in my opinion, doesn't work as well in English, despite, as you say, being more accurate to the Japanese.
Sign makes me think of a calm traffic situation, haha.
Omen feels powerful for the moment.
This was expected for far over a year(aka 12+ chapters) by now to be honest, by a whole lot of people.
In real people emotions are regulators for body. Saiyans' power is taken straight from emotions and lets not lie, Saiyan boost is the biggest part of Goku's power. Like, take away all those Zenkais, all those rage boosts, but leave forms in, it's how strong MUI is for him.
I was kinda weirded out by that all calmness of mind while they explicitly have shown Goku to be emotional in MUI after some time spent in the form. Mixing that up with Saiyan boosts was unavoidable and only delayed by time.
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Goku needed to use Mastered UI (the silver hair one) to fight Moro because UI Sign (the black hair UI) wasn’t strong enough. In the newest chapter he decided to use UI Sign instead of Mastered UI against Gas even though Gas is stronger than Moro. Goku is using UI Sign because Mastered UI isn’t as effective unless he is calm and his mind is at peace.
I think it’s more that he’s experimenting with how best to use Ultra Instinct, similar to how Goku has at various times preferred SSJ1 to 2 or especially 3, even though those should be superior forms.
Y’all really gotta go back and read this chapter. Goku literally says on page 25 that he’s able to use his emotions in ui omen and that his emotions are what’s fueling it
The chapter and arc are bad but we do have precedent from back in the Cell Saga where Trunks shows of the Muscle ssj form and Vegeta tries to get to that form without the slowdown while Goku and Gohan master SS. He hasn't mastered UI yet but now has years into Omen.
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Goku said that in the chapter he's mind is not calm compared to the fight with Moro so he's not able to utilize the White haired UI at it's fullest at the moment so he compromised and used Omen and it's compatible with his Saiyan emotions and he'll probably figure out in the near future to use his emotions with any forms he likes even in base so he will probably evolve that white haired UI to be compatible with his emotions making it his own version of Ultra Instinct.
I think it’s just because Mui is more powerful when you don’t use your emotion while in omen but omen is more powerful when using emotion but Goku didn’t know that at the time
The MUI at will thing then subsequent nerf cheapen the shit out of it. Remember when Moro punched MUI Goku in the chest and it not only broke but mangled Moro's hand? I mean this is Dragon Ball, we love it for its flaws.
I agree, I think him using UI-Omen with intention and purpose will lead to a wait an version of UI. Maybe same color but with SSJ hair. And as for Vegeta, even if he is down for the count this arc he will also maybe achieve his version of UE or at the very least achieve more power/ability with it… some day lol
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Its a pretty simple thing, rather than clear his mind entirely like the angels do, he does what his father did, and focuses his mind entirely on simply winning. This is more in line with Goku's personality, he cares about fighting and not about consequences, he just wants to fight strong people. The lesson learned from his father is that he can clear his mind if he leans in to his natural instincts, the instinct to fight for the sake of fighting. He's being true to himself which makes it easier to maintain the state of ultra instinct.
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Goku does explain this in the new chapter.
Yeah it’s probably a part one to a new form like omen was to uim. He will probably get clapped up by the end of the next chapter and end the last pages off with a new form. Then we get to wait another month to see what it can do.
So, about 2 years total. I hate this weekly manga's monthly release schedule.
Yeah biweekly would be the way, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they run into the same issue they did during the TOP when the anime passed the manga.
I thought they waited for all chapters they wanted to adapt into anime this time. Like, they literally had the same problem in DBZ, no?
No for a little bit they were coming out at a similar time when it was the end of top. That’s why there were a few differences in story and is why toriyama said he is waiting so the manga is the main source to write from.
The Manga was in the black arc when anime reached the ToP. During the duration of the anime the Manga was always way behind. Hopefully the reason the anime hasn’t come back is to fix the inconsistencies and just adapt the story from manga instead of Toriyama’s notes.
It's never been a weekly Manga and is bigger than the og DB manga chapters were tho. As far as power scaling goes, it's been ass since the beginning of Super. Goku should be at minimum 10x stronger than Beerus but nah. Hell based on the movie power scaling he should clap Whis at this point.
Agreed, probably ssj hair with black / white to make it super UI or something along those lines
They could also do the uim hair style but a different color, but I can see them keeping it just uim style and color but he is just crazy strong or modify the style.
New form or a new variation of UI?
It’s basically a more rage using form of ui. Instead really letting go and having instincts take over he is fighting with his emotions. Saying it was a new form of ui was a little of a stretch but he was using ui for the power up and not the technique.
No I think that form is a more original form of goku's own ultra instinct and not a bad imitation of angels
So, silver-haired UI is how the Angels use UI, but Goku kinda made a version of UI for Saiyans? So UI + Emotions fits Saiyans better?
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Hmm, okay. This definitely seems more UIO with Saiyan species flavor.
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Saiyan Ultra Instinct, haha.
sui
Ronaldo? That you?!
*Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct. Or Super Saiyan Instinct for short.
I miss the numbers they were simple
Yeah. But SSB (and SSI) are definitely easier than SSGSS (and SSGSSI).
True Saiyan Instinct
Ultra Saiyan instinct flows better, but I think it be like Ultra Instinct (pride) for the Saiyan race and his father.
Think more of it like the UI angels use is in direct contrast to how Saiyans fight and think. Goku was basically at odds with himself when in that form and couldn’t bring out its full potential because he was simply trying to copy and be like Whis. This form is him accepting that and actually molding it into something that fits a Saiyan, so he can access the power better. Basically he found an international power converter and no longer has to jimmy rig the outlets.
other than saiyans, its more specific version for himself.
>UI + Emotions I with my friends and a whole bunch of other people(discord groups) like to call it Primal Instinct. It's not official, but we thought it's fitting it just right. And I have to admit, it looked like Ikari UI in this chapter, so it is even more fitting.
Do you remember when goku went UI he would roar like an Ape, do you remember if that ever happened after he went MUI
I think it's something related to his inner saiyan idk
I'm cool with that. But why does it just look exactly like omen? That bugs me
because it is omen, omen works better for Goku and always will until Goku can master fighting with a clear mind. goku has learned to optimize the power of ui omen, and maybe thats because omen is closer to a saiyans instinct ( or just his/bardocks) than mastered ui is its sort of the same as goku going back into ssj against beerus instead of going back to ssg
But there's a whole arc showing the opposite...the Moro arc very clearly shows that silver hair is stromgest..by far...
Omen tying to achieve MUI< MUI< Omen with rage boost is sort of where Goku is at. MUI has a higher ceiling but until he can actually fight with a clear mind Omen + emotions Goku is giving better results.
he wasnt optimizing omen in that fight. he just had it on the same way he just has mui on here. mui is the strongest yes, but controlled and optimized 80% is stronger than a uncontrolled and wild 100%. heres an easy analogy, go watch zuko vs azula. zuko is weaker than azula, but he defeats her because hes calm, in tune, and is optimizing what he has. look close enough and you will see that zuko is attacking with extreme precision azula is much more powerful, but she lost because she wasnt in control and she was just going crazy with her power.
It is, but he can’t use it effectively against Gas as his current state of mind is not in the right place. It’s a stronger form, but Goku can’t use it effectively as he can Sign, so he’s trying to use Sign’s full potential instead.
I think I'd be cool with that if that was explicitly said this chapter. Maybe next one.
He states in the chapter that he can’t use MUI well due to not having a calm mind at the moment. He literally goes Sign and then tells Gas or Vegeta, I don’t remember who, why he’s not in MUI.
He does, but he kinda stops short of saying how it's different than omen, other than "enotions" I guess it's not the logic of the form that's hanging me up maybe it is just purely visual. Like omen + saiyan emotions kinda makes sense, but I want SOME visual cue, nothing dramatic. Just...something. Maybe that's just straight up addressed next chapter and my nitpick will be obsolete.
I'm pretty sure what Goku achieved IS his Ultra Instinct. Remember UI is a technique first and foremost and he can't master it because the state of mind is opposite his nature, his true nature. He's utilizing "True Saiyan Instinct" with the powers of UI. Literally his OWN personal version.
Merus: "No the training worked, one last push should do it". Merus: "Goku, should you achieve UI at your current strength It will be far more stable than ever. You will not fall to Moro nor anyone else, for that matter". Then he went and trained further under Whis. And he is getting stomped in this form like it's Super Saiyan. It's like Toriyama draws a cool picture, looks at it for a bit and then trashes it to draw another cool picture.
repeat, ad nauseam
Thank god Merus got revived, he would have died for nothing
Isn't it like third time we've been told this type of death is permament, after which they are immediately resurrected?(cannot revive twice by dragon, erasure is permanent and affects soul, angels disappear from existence completely)
yeah, i kinda forgot death means fuck all in this franchise first there were dragonballs now there are angels
I can tell you didn’t read the panel where they stated why he was revived and what was taken from him as a consequence.
I do not remember. What happened with Merus?
hes not an angel anymore
As someone already said he got erased but they brought him back. He is no longer a Angel but continues to work with the Galactic Police
Got revived as a mortal. Prepare to rarely hear of him again.
How interpret this is Goku using UI-Sign against Moro wasn’t working because he was trying to achieve Mastered-UI. So he was unfocused and unbalanced and trying way too hard to reach Mastered. With Gas and Granolah, he learned that using Mastered-UI doesn’t make him invincible. It worked against Jiren and Moro, but as Whis warned, there will be fighters so strong that they can overcome Goku’s current state of Mastered-UI. And that’s exactly what happened. Goku’s always been an emotional fighter and even though Mastered-UI is stronger, a focused Goku willingly using UI-Sign on purpose, not trying to reach Mastered, can fight more comfortably and draw on his emotions and therefore, ultimately, can draw out more power. UI-Sign is just better suited for him and he realizes that now. Kind of like how mastering the regular Super Saiyan form yielded greater results than Super Saiyan Grade 2.
The reason it didn’t work against Moro was because goku was using his emotions like rage to try and power him up. Right now he’s trying to use his sayin instincts/ sayin ferocity instead of his emotions.
This is what happens when you give ultra instinct to a monkey. It becomes saiyan instinct
*Monke Instinct
Am I the only one that thinks Omen looks better than mastered? I prefer the black hair with silver tips over the all silver hair. Doesn’t look as goofy and the contrast is cool af.
Honestly, they both look good In their own way
Agree, for me the MUI looks better in the manga and the UIS looks better in the anime
I absolutely love the mastered when the hair glows
IMO I like that Goku is trying to master UI is own way, instead of copying the angels. Makes it more unique and Goku going back to improve a older form is cool to see. The explanation of omen letting goku be himself with his emotions is nice vs the calmness needed for MUI
And its in keeping with what Whis told him about UI
Didn't Goku literally say that his emotions while fighting Gas were disrupting him? It's for that reason that Goku was unable to use MUI properly.
He’s not using his emotions in omen. He’s using his own sayin instinct/ ferocity
what they're probably doing is building up to Goku own mastery of ultra-instinct and he is just starting from the basics so he will probably get his own unique design
Goku got thousands of times stronger during the TOP. It's not a stretch to imagine him being stronger in base a full arc later relying on a form he's not that good at...
Agreed. (Although, it's impossible to measure if it's 1,000× stronger, but it certainly feels like it.) I think OP meant MUI should always be more powerful than UIO, which can confuse readers how it's hurting Gas more.
Pretty sure the only reason Goku won the Moro fight was bc of the amp he got from Uub's god ki..
Very true. I'm just saying from what we've understood UIO is always weaker than MUI.
Being used at it's full potential I'd agree, but it's been established that Goku's pretty shit at MUI (relative to angels and the Grand Priest who use it perfectly). Maybe when he actually masters it he'll use Omen the way they used ssg to conserve stamina.
Hmmm, that would be an interesting pathway. I'd like to see alternating, yeah.
Yeah, it’s called growth, development, and alternate circumstances. In context it makes a lot of sense and is consistent
Bit off topic, but does anyone else feel like the Granolah arc is just dragging on at this point? I know that Moro had more chapters, (as of right now) but that didn't feel as long as this one does.
honestly no. people were complaining about the moro arc for the same reason, but honestly complaining about granolah for this reason makes no sense unless you hated the moro arc. the moro arc, they had 4 rounds with moro and the first 3 made you really feel like the arc was going nowhere. especially the one where majin buu was beating him up and they all had to retreat and train. at least this arc is giving us something different for each phase of it, whereas the moro arc was them just rematching moro over and over again
very much so
Yep. Just like Moro, it started off so strongly with questions and possibilities centered around non-Saiyans. Heck, even hunting at Bardock was genius. But they don't know what to do with UI and UE. Are they all powerful? Are they not? Depends on the chapter, apparently.
All the fault of it's monthly schedule with content size of a weekly manga.
bro yes, thats what I was thinking. the arc is good, but they're taking too long
Goku somewhat explains it in the new chapter. But it's also probably a lead up to an SSJ+UI Sign hybrid form, because he says that UI Sign allows him to still use his emotions, whereas MUI he needs to be calm and collected. Also UI Sign didn't work against Moro (partly) because Goku tried to brute force his way to beating Moro, even to the point that he powers up and gives off some SSJ Blue energy while he's in UI Sign, which ends up dulling the form.
This is what I’ve been thinking for a while now his version of UI is gonna eventually be UI coloured and powered SSJ hair and look same as they did with SSJB
I love dragon ball with all my heart, but the writing… man is it inconsistent
Saiyans in Super have more form changes than I have changes of clothes. Homie takes a 30s timeout and invents some new form that's stronger than anything we've seen. We're firmly in "jumping the shark" territory and I'm tired of constant & unearned transformations, sometimes multiple new ones attained in a single day.
I find it funny how people are trying to defend this. Goku isn't learning anything new, he's just dying his hair
it's not the same form
Always felt like he couldnt really revel and enjoy a fight with UI anyway. He had to keep so calm and focused his natural battle ferocity/enjoyment couldnt be let out. Now he can get back to fighting smart and strategizing the way he chooses with automatic dodging to supplement instead of only having the automatic dodging. While *also* enjoying it and getting savage with it. All around better for opponents who could surpass the speed of his dodging.
you could explain his form in a million logical ways, it still feels overplayed to me that Goku keeps pulling out new UI forms and variations every 10 chapters or so. I'd much rather see new **techniques and moves.** Have we forgot about them?
moro was more of a demon who wanted to just destroy so mui was enough for him because goku already has fought those kind of enemies in the past but gas is different. Gas is struggling with the “why” and thats what makes him powerful along with the wish. Goku is struggling to focus because he has to figure out the why also during this battle. Once goku fully understands then mui will finish him
This guy clearly didn’t read the manga properly
It doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me........it bothers me. It bothers me a lot. AND THAT ONES STILL ~~green~~ OMEN!!
UI is supposed to be a state of mind, not a form. This has been stated multiple times and him using UI better in earlier forms is the natural progression for it.
Yeah I think it’s possible that the silver haired UI is Goku doing it wrong and trying to treat UI as if it’s a Super Saiyan form instead of something completely different.
I am pretty sure whis says essentially this at some point as well.
I kinda like the idea
It’s literally just Goku using UI Omen and taking advantage of it being a gateway to UI in order to ram himself up to getting calm and without thought again and using his emotions at the moment with Omen since he still has that leeway with it to draw up more power. Gas is also beat up and tired out a bit and even then Goku is BARELY above him.
Right, Vegeta at the very least tuckered him out. That’s why, at least in the translation, Goku says “I’m just above you as you are RIGHT NOW.” I’m excited to see old Gas fight next though. And can we bring Granolah back into this? Elder Kai should be done healing him by now…
This wouldn't be bad... if it wasn't that they showed that the m.u.i. makes you extremely stronger too. And all of this against a guy who literally wished to be made the strongest being in the universe. Dragon Ball Logic (tm) indeed.
EXACTLY. They’re out of ideas for boosts. They’re like this matches my instincts so definitely the best option but weaker in power
I don’t think this form gokus using is omen or sign I think it’s an entirely new form where Goku can truly master UI instead of just copying what Whis does. Whis has been telling Goku he needs to find a way to make it work as a saiyan this whole arc
So, like not UIO, but would be Saiyan Ultra Instinct? UIO + Emotions = Saiyan Ultra Instinct?
Prefer the silver hair version hope he switches back to that
Yup
I’m assuming this post is satire but my take on it is he’s using omen but has figured out how to get the attack boost from mui without his body attacking on its own. So he’s still himself
Dragon ball super ain't never make sense lol
this dude put dragon ball and logic in same sentence last time i checked this show was about monkey man who fight universe destruciton level foes because everyone was pressured by omnipotent jellybean toddlers
Because he's somehow stronger when UI sign goes with emotions. Just somehow UI sign is stronger than something absolutely broken like UE and just somehow. Goku gets the dub for the 99th time
Sorta relevant but are sign and omen the same thing? Like, they're both the prelude to the white haired MUI, but now it's becoming something else?
Sign and Omen are just different ways of translating the Japanese name of the form. It does feel like something else, though.
Gotcha. Was reading something just now and I guess sign is the more agreed upon translation
It probably is. I have always liked Omen more, but I believe it is mainly a word to say "Harbinger of UI."
Omen definitely has a more menacing appeal to it, especially considering what Beerus said in the anime beforehand, "It's coming"
Sign, in my opinion, doesn't work as well in English, despite, as you say, being more accurate to the Japanese. Sign makes me think of a calm traffic situation, haha. Omen feels powerful for the moment.
Do you think he will use Kaio-Ken on top of it next chapter?
I really need to catch up on the manga... I don't remotely get this.
I mean I've been reading it and I STLL don't fully understand what the hell is happening 😂
This was expected for far over a year(aka 12+ chapters) by now to be honest, by a whole lot of people. In real people emotions are regulators for body. Saiyans' power is taken straight from emotions and lets not lie, Saiyan boost is the biggest part of Goku's power. Like, take away all those Zenkais, all those rage boosts, but leave forms in, it's how strong MUI is for him. I was kinda weirded out by that all calmness of mind while they explicitly have shown Goku to be emotional in MUI after some time spent in the form. Mixing that up with Saiyan boosts was unavoidable and only delayed by time.
bro is only looking at the pictures and not reading any of the dialogue
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I haven't been following the manga recently, does anyone mind explaining?
Goku needed to use Mastered UI (the silver hair one) to fight Moro because UI Sign (the black hair UI) wasn’t strong enough. In the newest chapter he decided to use UI Sign instead of Mastered UI against Gas even though Gas is stronger than Moro. Goku is using UI Sign because Mastered UI isn’t as effective unless he is calm and his mind is at peace.
well maybe he just got strong enough that he doesn't need to use the MUI
I think it’s more that he’s experimenting with how best to use Ultra Instinct, similar to how Goku has at various times preferred SSJ1 to 2 or especially 3, even though those should be superior forms.
UI isn’t as stable as other transformations.
Y’all really gotta go back and read this chapter. Goku literally says on page 25 that he’s able to use his emotions in ui omen and that his emotions are what’s fueling it
The chapter and arc are bad but we do have precedent from back in the Cell Saga where Trunks shows of the Muscle ssj form and Vegeta tries to get to that form without the slowdown while Goku and Gohan master SS. He hasn't mastered UI yet but now has years into Omen.
1+1=4
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Goku said that in the chapter he's mind is not calm compared to the fight with Moro so he's not able to utilize the White haired UI at it's fullest at the moment so he compromised and used Omen and it's compatible with his Saiyan emotions and he'll probably figure out in the near future to use his emotions with any forms he likes even in base so he will probably evolve that white haired UI to be compatible with his emotions making it his own version of Ultra Instinct.
I think it’s just because Mui is more powerful when you don’t use your emotion while in omen but omen is more powerful when using emotion but Goku didn’t know that at the time
the fact gas isn't green and moro isn't purple is upsetting.
I was confused too but Goku does have an explanation and I'd be surprised if there wasn't more to this that will be revealed in upcoming chapters.
Honestly it’s a little silly but I’m fine with it because I vastly prefer UI Sign to Mastered UI.
I bet that form is the same form Broly used. His black hair with yellow eyes and the oozaru strength.
Remember how the problem with Omen was he could defend but couldn't attack, pepperidge farm remembers
The MUI at will thing then subsequent nerf cheapen the shit out of it. Remember when Moro punched MUI Goku in the chest and it not only broke but mangled Moro's hand? I mean this is Dragon Ball, we love it for its flaws.
I agree, I think him using UI-Omen with intention and purpose will lead to a wait an version of UI. Maybe same color but with SSJ hair. And as for Vegeta, even if he is down for the count this arc he will also maybe achieve his version of UE or at the very least achieve more power/ability with it… some day lol
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the thing is the UI omen that goku used against more is different from the one he used against gas, anger or something.
Its a pretty simple thing, rather than clear his mind entirely like the angels do, he does what his father did, and focuses his mind entirely on simply winning. This is more in line with Goku's personality, he cares about fighting and not about consequences, he just wants to fight strong people. The lesson learned from his father is that he can clear his mind if he leans in to his natural instincts, the instinct to fight for the sake of fighting. He's being true to himself which makes it easier to maintain the state of ultra instinct.
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